NationStates Jolt Archive

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.

People almost always use 'animal' to mean 'non-human living thing of the kingdom Animalia'. Deal with it.

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.
See? That's the kind of crazy thinking promoted by godless evilutionists. Convince people that humans came from monkeys and are just animals, like in that song
You and me baby ain't nothing but mammals so let's do it like they do on the discovery channe.

Convince kids that they're only animals and they'll act like animals and have all kinds of sex and get violent and stuff.

The bible teaches that God made us from clay, so we're MINERALS!

Because we're smarter and better looking.

The bible teaches that God made us from clay, so we're MINERALS!

Unless we get in a bad accident. Then we're VEGETABLES!

Words can be used in an inclusive manner (for instance, "Sweden is in Europe") and an exclusive manner (a Swede asking a friend "Are you going to Europe this summer?"). The latter Swede is of course not saying that Sweden is not part of Europe, but is using the term to differentiate between Sweden and the rest of Europe.

You seem to be bending yourself out of shape because you don't understand the subtleties of language. Just because someone says "I was treated like an animal" doesn't mean they're implying humans aren't animals biologically speaking - they are saying that they were not treated as humans, and i.e. they were treated like humans treat the other animals.

So, I suggest you practice your language skills some more.

Unless we get in a bad accident. Then we're VEGETABLES!
I like the cut of your jib. We need more people who think outside the box, but still inside the larger box. You're hired.

You can be cousin to a monkey, if you like. I'll pretend my ancestors came from another planet, and we'll be even. :D

Human beings certainly are different than animals. We are self-aware. We are conscious. We are civilized creatures. We can overcome our instincts. We can moderate and change our own behavior as an act of will. For there are many times where our instincts tell us to do one thing but we do another. We also know we are acting on instinct or reason. So humans are not equivalent to other animals.

You can be cousin to a monkey, if you like. I'll pretend my ancestors came from another planet, and we'll be even. :D

I'm pretty sure I descend from space-faring monkeys.

The bible teaches that God made us from clay, so we're MINERALS!


But all those studies about obesity tell us we are really just couch potatoes, so I guess we are VEGETABLES!

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.

Yeah, I think you may be taking what this model said a little too literally. You know what she means. She means that she is being treated like crap. She is using what is called, "a saying". Therefore, it has little to do with animals except for some historical fact out of which the saying arised. If your point is that humans and animals are the same, then that isn't really true, since we have a cognitive aspect that is very integral and important to our species, which animals do not possess in the same way as we do. I fail to see your point, please enlighten me.

Unless we get in a bad accident. Then we're VEGETABLES!

Damn... someone else got to it first.

But all those studies about obesity tell us we are really just couch potatoes, so I guess we are VEGETABLES!
I'm sorry, that position has already been filled. We will, however, keep your resume on file and contact you should any new positions open up. Thank you.

Our machines and robotics are like us animals because we subconsciously make them that way. A hard-drive is the brain, binary code is neurochemicals and processors are the nerves, therefore, if we create artificial intelligence, it will definitely become sentient and create its own personality and emotions on its own. Not all animals are sentient but it might occur to non-sentient animals, even if only one, at some point in their life to realize sentience. Who knows? We might even have a second sentient species evolving (though that would take thousands of years).

I'm sorry, that position has already been filled. We will, however, keep your resume on file and contact you should any new positions open up. Thank you.

Damn... and I hear the benefits are really good here too.

We might even have a second sentient species evolving (though that would take thousands of years).

Who was the first? :D

I'm pretty sure I descend from space-faring monkeys.

That's a different story, now. :)

Who was the first? :D

Robots, of course. Tsk tsk tsk... when will you animals ever learn that you are all EQUALLY inferior to robots?

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.
hello sel appa. i have an unrelated question - what does your nation name mean? cuz i had a dream where for some reason your name came up (although it was spelt slightly differently) and it seemed to have religious connotations. i'm not religious nor do i even know what kind of nser you are which is why i find it weird that i should remember your name in a dream.

Words can be used in an inclusive manner (for instance, "Sweden is in Europe") and an exclusive manner (a Swede asking a friend "Are you going to Europe this summer?"). The latter Swede is of course not saying that Sweden is not part of Europe, but is using the term to differentiate between Sweden and the rest of Europe.

You seem to be bending yourself out of shape because you don't understand the subtleties of language. Just because someone says "I was treated like an animal" doesn't mean they're implying humans aren't animals biologically speaking - they are saying that they were not treated as humans, and i.e. they were treated like humans treat the other animals.

So, I suggest you practice your language skills some more.
That example is also stupid. You can't say you're going somewhere whn you are there already. You would say a specific country or "the rest of Europe" or something.

Human beings certainly are different than animals. We are self-aware. We are conscious. We are civilized creatures. We can overcome our instincts. We can moderate and change our own behavior as an act of will. For there are many times where our instincts tell us to do one thing but we do another. We also know we are acting on instinct or reason. So humans are not equivalent to other animals.
Er...no. Our fellow animals exhibit most, if not all of those characteristics. Go ahead and tell your instinct to fark off when someone attracts you and ee how far that gets.

Yeah, I think you may be taking what this model said a little too literally. You know what she means. She means that she is being treated like crap. She is using what is called, "a saying". Therefore, it has little to do with animals except for some historical fact out of which the saying arised. If your point is that humans and animals are the same, then that isn't really true, since we have a cognitive aspect that is very integral and important to our species, which animals do not possess in the same way as we do. I fail to see your point, please enlighten me.
I'm just using an example. There are better examples I cannot think of at this time.

hello sel appa. i have an unrelated question - what does your nation name mean? cuz i had a dream where for some reason your name came up (although it was spelt slightly differently) and it seemed to have religious connotations. i'm not religious nor do i even know what kind of nser you are which is why i find it weird that i should remember your name in a dream.
Either you read my Origins of Sel Appa thread and are trying to be amusing or its a coincidence. Because as you can read in my Origins of Sel Appa thread(in my sig), Sel Appa is the name of a fake temple I made to remember two of my dead pets. The post even has a pic of it.

Human beings certainly are different than animals. We are self-aware. We are conscious. We are civilized creatures. We can overcome our instincts. We can moderate and change our own behavior as an act of will. For there are many times where our instincts tell us to do one thing but we do another. We also know we are acting on instinct or reason. So humans are not equivalent to other animals.

Sure we're different from the rest of the animals but so are ants. Humans and ants are the only two animals who are different from the rest for a very good reason, one in a better way than the other.
Because they are the only two animals that murder its own kind.

We eat, drink, play, hunt and gather, nurture, and procreate. Now, if that aint animal, I dunno what that is.

That example is also stupid. You can't say you're going somewhere whn you are there already. You would say a specific country or "the rest of Europe" or something.
We say the same thing in Britain, saying Europe when we mean the rest of Europe minus us.
Languages aren't perfect, just like nothing else is. I'm afraid you'll just have to put up with people using sayings no matter how incorrect they seem to you. You knew what was meant right, so why are you so bothered?

Sure we're different from the rest of the animals but so are ants. Humans and ants are the only two animals who are different from the rest for a very good reason, one in a better way than the other.
Because they are the only two animals that murder its own kind.
There are dozens of species that murder their own kind, some even their own family. Some even their own siblings or children.

That example is also stupid. You can't say you're going somewhere whn you are there already. You would say a specific country or "the rest of Europe" or something.

Do you speak Swedish? No? Then, have a cup of STFU.

We are self-aware. We are conscious.


As is pretty much every other mammal, fish, bird, etc. (edit: inflict pain, threaten to harm, restrict access to sustenance, or otherwise endanger the survival of such an animal and note the reaction. When my dog simply obeys my command to "sit," he demonstrates conciousness, as conciousness is nothing more than having the ability to respond to some sort of stimulus)


We are civilized creatures.


There is always room for doubt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War) ( note the similarity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siafu ).


We can overcome our instincts. ...For there are many times where our instincts tell us to do one thing but we do another.


As can a huge number of other animals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_animal), with proper training (just as homo sapiens sapiens needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization)).

That example is also stupid. You can't say you're going somewhere whn you are there already. You would say a specific country or "the rest of Europe" or something.


Er...no. Our fellow animals exhibit most, if not all of those characteristics. Go ahead and tell your instinct to fark off when someone attracts you and ee how far that gets.

People aren't going to say 'the rest of Europe', that sounds stupid and wastes precious syllables. Why should people have to spend their precious time sprouting superfluous nonsense when instead they should be able to assume that the person they are talking to can use their own goran brain. It's not the speaker's job to make themselves unmissunderstandable, its the listeners job to interpret what they hear.

No. Very no. There are thousands of characteristics that humans possess that other creatures do not - to suggest otherwise is just being ign'ant.

Do you speak Swedish? No? Then, have a cup of STFU.
Doesn't everyone? :p

If you talk that way in Swedish than your language is...racist against our fellow animals. :p

People aren't going to say 'the rest of Europe', that sounds stupid and wastes precious syllables. Why should people have to spend their precious time sprouting superfluous nonsense when instead they should be able to assume that the person they are talking to can use their own goran brain. It's not the speaker's job to make themselves unmissunderstandable, its the listeners job to interpret what they hear.

Well it does upset Sel Appa. Why don't we overhaul the entire english language just to keep him happy? :rolleyes:

Well, it (improper/inappropriate usage of noun-word "animal") does cause a negative emotional reaction for the currently active poster named "Sel Appa". To raise a suggestion, why don't we overhaul, (which is to say, radically change and reform the basic tennets and rules of), the entire Language (known henceforth as "English", although its modern phonographic is far from uniquely of English, which is to say, British, nationality) just to keep him ("Sel Appa", mentioned previously) in a state of emotional contentness? :rolleyes:

Edited into Sel Appan English :D

it's just an issue of clarification. People know humans are animals, but its not always prudent to refer to them that way, given humans are so far intellectually removed from them.

Animal is a subjective term i've found. Most people who don't believe they are "animal" probably have a different definition of what an animal is.

Our machines and robotics are like us animals because we subconsciously make them that way. A hard-drive is the brain, binary code is neurochemicals and processors are the nerves, therefore, if we create artificial intelligence, it will definitely become sentient and create its own personality and emotions on its own. Not all animals are sentient but it might occur to non-sentient animals, even if only one, at some point in their life to realize sentience. Who knows? We might even have a second sentient species evolving (though that would take thousands of years).

Bigfoot. I have it on very good authority (Okay, it was a science fiction magazine) that they've developed into a fire using society.

Oh, and the dolphins.

So long and thanks for all the fish.

Do you speak Swedish? No? Then, have a cup of STFU.
Don't mind if I do.

*Has a cup*

Mmm. 'sgud.

Unless we get in a bad accident. Then we're VEGETABLES!



ROAFLMAO!!!!

Edited into Sel Appan English :D
Sel Appan English replaces 'c' with 'k' or 's' and 'ph' with 'f' and so on. :P

it's just an issue of clarification. People know humans are animals, but its not always prudent to refer to them that way, given humans are so far intellectually removed from them.
I always find humans dumber than most animals. ;)

I don't use the phrase "non-human animal" because it takes to long, and makes me sound like an extreme-level enviromentalist

it's just an issue of clarification. People know humans are animals, but its not always prudent to refer to them that way, given humans are so far intellectually removed from them.

I don't know, with the way the world is going at the moment the dolphins may have overtaken the average person.

Do you speak Swedish? No? Then, have a cup of STFU

You're still using cups. Over here STFU comes in tubes.

Either you read my Origins of Sel Appa thread and are trying to be amusing or its a coincidence. Because as you can read in my Origins of Sel Appa thread(in my sig), Sel Appa is the name of a fake temple I made to remember two of my dead pets. The post even has a pic of it.
complete coincidence. i will have a look at that thread now.

edit: i still don't know what sel appa means. was that just using the name of one of your pets combined with some foreign word for temple.

I don't use the phrase "non-human animal" because it takes to long, and makes me sound like an extreme-level enviromentalist

You could say "other animals" or "fellow animals" like I do.

complete coincidence. i will have a look at that thread now.

edit: i still don't know what sel appa means. was that just using the name of one of your pets combined with some foreign word for temple.
It completely ficticious, although I was trying to imitate Arabic(I think). My other screenname, used mainly on other forums is juvanya, somehow derived from guava(a fruit) in November 2001. They both have staying power though, because they can't become outdated like pikachu123 or georgebushsux999 can.

By the way, did you see my name before that dream?

Words can be used in an inclusive manner (for instance, "Sweden is in Europe") and an exclusive manner (a Swede asking a friend "Are you going to Europe this summer?"). The latter Swede is of course not saying that Sweden is not part of Europe, but is using the term to differentiate between Sweden and the rest of Europe.

You seem to be bending yourself out of shape because you don't understand the subtleties of language. Just because someone says "I was treated like an animal" doesn't mean they're implying humans aren't animals biologically speaking - they are saying that they were not treated as humans, and i.e. they were treated like humans treat the other animals.

So, I suggest you practice your language skills some more.

I hate cheerleading but, spot on.

And for dictionary support -

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/animal
2 a : one of the lower animals as distinguished from human beings

I hate when people bitch about the proper use of language because they don't like it.

As is pretty much every other mammal, fish, bird, etc.

Only a handful of animals - a couple of higher apes and the bottle-nosed dolphin - are self-aware. A dog or a pig have no concept of self in the way we mean self-aware.

Er...no. Our fellow animals exhibit most, if not all of those characteristics. Go ahead and tell your instinct to fark off when someone attracts you and ee how far that gets.


This is true, whenever I see an attractive woman I immediatly begin humping her leg.

I think that the reason why we can't comprehend that we are animals is because we are not particularly bright animals.

Words can be used in an inclusive manner (for instance, "Sweden is in Europe") and an exclusive manner (a Swede asking a friend "Are you going to Europe this summer?"). The latter Swede is of course not saying that Sweden is not part of Europe, but is using the term to differentiate between Sweden and the rest of Europe.

You seem to be bending yourself out of shape because you don't understand the subtleties of language. Just because someone says "I was treated like an animal" doesn't mean they're implying humans aren't animals biologically speaking - they are saying that they were not treated as humans, and i.e. they were treated like humans treat the other animals.

So, I suggest you practice your language skills some more.
:fluffle:

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.

It's a mental habit we pick up. Like assuming causation. :)

Personally, I tend to use the language that differentiates us from animals occasionally if I'm not paying careful attention to my speech, but I know damn well I'm an animal too.

I hate cheerleading but, spot on.

And for dictionary support -

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/animal
2 a : one of the lower animals as distinguished from human beings

I hate when people bitch about the proper use of language because they don't like it.
Dictionaries follow common usage, not just correct usage.

Science and phisophy being two different things, we must recognize that each has a definition of the term 'animal' and 'human' that runs contrary to the other.

Dictionaries follow common usage, not just correct usage.

Common usage = correct usage.

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal.
Largely due to various religions. Many people actually get insulted if you aver that humans are indeed animals. Almost every major religion makes a very definite distinction between humanity and "the animal kingdom."

Dictionaries follow common usage, not just correct usage.

Common usage becomes correct usage. That's how language works. Who are you? The language police. How do you think the words you're dicussing and using came into being in the first place? Someone made them up. And started using them before they were correct usage and then, at some point, there was an accepted usage.

Meanwhile, Fass explained why there is exclusive and inclusive use of words and why it's a ocmmon and correct practice. It's a standard of language usage that spans multiple languages. It's a clear way of communicating. Were you confused as to what Mo'nique meant when she said it? Nope. In fact, it was so clear to you that it upset you. The purpose of language is to accurate communicate what you mean. She did. Therefore, she was correct in expressing it that way.

You haven't made an argument here. You've complained. You haven't shown how she actually used the word wrong. You've only shown that you don't like one of the common and accepted uses of the word that doesn't follow the biological definition of animal, which isn't the only definition.

You are also complaining about a veyr popular figure of speech that she clearly used exactly correctly, which actually makes you even more wrong, as if that's possible. You really should learn when to quit, because all your taking here is lumps.

Common usage = correct usage.
Comman usage = common sense + ignorance

Our machines and robotics are like us animals because we subconsciously make them that way. A hard-drive is the brain, binary code is neurochemicals and processors are the nerves, therefore, if we create artificial intelligence, it will definitely become sentient and create its own personality and emotions on its own. Not all animals are sentient but it might occur to non-sentient animals, even if only one, at some point in their life to realize sentience. Who knows? We might even have a second sentient species evolving (though that would take thousands of years).

So far, dolphins and orangutans are the only other sentient (self-aware) species in existence.

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.


Ok, so, she was treated badly for what you deem racist reasons, and you call her an Al Sharpton wannabe....

Why did you pick that particular person to compare her to?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-ftr-zp26.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=7482
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/437919p-368914c.html

Yes, sounds like she is being completely unreasonable here. That's probably why the airline has apologised and admits they were also partly in the wrong.

:rolleyes:

Human beings certainly are different than animals. We are self-aware. We are conscious. We are civilized creatures. We can overcome our instincts. We can moderate and change our own behavior as an act of will. For there are many times where our instincts tell us to do one thing but we do another. We also know we are acting on instinct or reason. So humans are not equivalent to other animals.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/primate.html

We do, however, share common ancestors and are indeed classified as Mammals in the Kingdom Animalia.

"Are you equating my hair dryer with 9/11?" Mo'Nique said she retorted.

ROFLMFAO!!!!

Ok, so, she was treated badly for what you deem racist reasons, and you call her an Al Sharpton wannabe....

Why did you pick that particular person to compare her to?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-ftr-zp26.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=7482
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/437919p-368914c.html

Yes, sounds like she is being completely unreasonable here. That's probably why the airline has apologised and admits they were also partly in the wrong.

:rolleyes:

I think she was wrong to suggest this was racism as nothing in the actions suggests it was. The only person who appears to have injected race into the situation is Mo'Nique, and well Sel Appa.

What she experienced isn't a black thing, it's an airline thing. Once we we were in Boston on a little bus being brought out to a plane. They drove us around on that little bus for twenty minutes and when we got to the plane it was completely dark. No crew. Nothing. So we are driven back to the terminal where one of the American employees get on the bus to tell us our flight is cancelled.

A man (white if that matters), "I understand the flight is cancelled but couldn't you guys have made a call to the plane and found out no one was on it so that we wouldn't have driven around for forty-five minutes"

"Sir, you have no right to question me."

"What do you mean, no right? I'm a customer and I asking why you wasted my time and the time of these good people."

"Sir, this is a post-911 world. If you don't be quiet I will have the police escort you to jail. We don't allow people to challenge our decisions anymore."

Or something to that effect. Also, while we were waiting in line to be rescheduled the next day the person at the counter (yes, person. One person for several hundred reschedules) regularly yelled at people for asking her if there were any more flights out that night. I mean yelled. Like, making kids cry, yelled. I wrote a letter to the airline which I still fly, but not through that airport. I was never contacted. They never said anything to me even though I'm like mega-platinum or something like that.

Since 911 airline workers sometimes use police like some people here use mods. There is no bias. It's not a race thing. It's a power thing. And if this wasn't Mo'Nique this story would have played out very differently.

The airline was clearly wrong here. But her reactions since show she is not looking at this reasonably. Nothing, even in her story, shows that race was ever an issue.

http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/primate.html

We do, however, share common ancestors and are indeed classified as Mammals in the Kingdom Animalia.

But we are different. It may be egotistical but exclusive language is common in humans. It's not unique to English and it is proper usage despite what some individuals who don't like common usage because it doesn't exactly equate to science, I guess, would have you believe.

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.

Treated like an animal...on a plane...must not..ah crap

THERES GODDAM SNAKES ON THE PLANE!!!

Anyway its only a figure of speech. Shes saying she was treated at a sub human level aka like an animal.

Ok, so, she was treated badly for what you deem racist reasons, and you call her an Al Sharpton wannabe....

Why did you pick that particular person to compare her to?

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-ftr-zp26.html
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=7482
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/437919p-368914c.html

Yes, sounds like she is being completely unreasonable here. That's probably why the airline has apologised and admits they were also partly in the wrong.

:rolleyes:
He always calls "racist" when something like this happens.

Religions were also founded by schizos and people who didn't understand the world.

The way she used the word animal is racist against other animals. If the word n****r were in common usage, does that make it better than dark-skinned person(not Black/African-American).

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.

Of course humans are animals, but we differentiate between ourselves and other animals because we don't engage in complicated social interaction with other animals.

She is stating that she was treated with the disregard that society would normally assign to animals that are not human. For brevity she said "like an animal", rather than saying the ridiculous sounding phrase, "treated like animals that are not human".

Treated like an animal...on a plane...must not..ah crap

THERES GODDAM SNAKES ON THE PLANE!!!

Anyway its only a figure of speech. Shes saying she was treated at a sub human level aka like an animal.
Humans are no better than any other animal. If anything, we're worse.

He always calls "racist" when something like this happens.

Religions were also founded by schizos and people who didn't understand the world.

Not sure why you would choose to reply to a mod post not having anything to with religion by baiting people about religion. Seems unwise, but hey being wise isn't a requirement for this forum. Fortunately for you, neither is being familiar with the usage of racist and animal.

The way she used the word animal is racist against other animals. If the word n****r were in common usage, does that make it better than dark-skinned person(not Black/African-American).
The word ****** was in common usage as a racist slur. That makes it *gasp* a racist slur.

Meanwhile, you can't be racist against other animals. You know why? That's not what racist means. Weren't you the one complaining about proper usage and you don't seem to care what the 'proper' usage of racist or ****** is.

Here's a thought. Pick up a dictionary. Let me know when your familiar with the terms you'd like to discuss. Let's move forward from there.

Humans are no better than any other animal. If anything, we're worse.

Tell me why I shouldn't regard this statement as asinine. I already know that it is irrelevant, but why does it make sense?

Not sure why you would choose to reply to a mod post not having anything to with religion by baiting people about religion. Seems unwise, but hey being wise isn't a requirement for this forum. Fortunately for you, neither is being familiar with the usage of racist and animal.


The word ****** was in common usage as a racist slur. That makes it *gasp* a racist slur.

Meanwhile, you can't be racist against other animals. You know why? That's not what racist means. Weren't you the one complaining about proper usage and you don't seem to care what the 'proper' usage of racist or ****** is.

Here's a thought. Pick up a dictionary. Let me know when your familiar with the terms you'd like to discuss. Let's move forward from there.
Discrimination against animals is racism.

Discrimination against animals is racism.

Haha.

Talk about misuse of a word.

Humans are no better than any other animal. If anything, we're worse.

I agree. For example, animals wouldn't ignorantly generalize about religions just to bait a mod. Animals wouldn't shake their fist at the sky and complain because it's not the color they want it to be. Animals wouldn't make arguably racist comments. And animals aren't just different from you, but they're different from us too.

Discrimination against animals is racism.

Oh, the irony. Dude, you seriously need a dictionary and a timeout.

He always calls "racist" when something like this happens.

Religions were also founded by schizos and people who didn't understand the world.

The way she used the word animal is racist against other animals. If the word n****r were in common usage, does that make it better than dark-skinned person(not Black/African-American).

Racist against animals? I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that, because its just too silly.

The n-word has not always been derogatory, when it was first introduced into the language it was doubtless just a dialectical term for a particular kind of person. But, its meaning has changed.

Allow me to explain to you how words work. On paper, words are neutral, with a fixed set meaning - but in reality our opinions about words are influenced by every single instance of our hearing that word, for example, doubtless the first time you heard the word 'crack' you thought it simply meant a fissure, but once you hear people start to say it with a snigger, then you begin to associate it with another meaning. Human beings have a remarkable and unique capacity to cross reference every word they hear and compare it to what they have heard in the past. As no two people will never hear exactly the same set of word usages, each word will have a different connotation to each individual.

Discrimination against animals is racism.

Hi, animals are defined as species. Not race.

Discrimination against animals may, in a quite literal sense, be specieism. Animals are not seperate races, they are seperate species.

Discrimination against animals is racism.

"Hey Doc, we need an Anaesthetist, shall I go get the horse?"
"What? Horses can't operate anaesthesiological equipment."
"Zaumg! Racistxx0rz!"

*Ahem* No it's not. Don't be stupid.

I think she was wrong to suggest this was racism as nothing in the actions suggests it was. The only person who appears to have injected race into the situation is Mo'Nique, and well Sel Appa.

What she experienced isn't a black thing, it's an airline thing. Once we we were in Boston on a little bus being brought out to a plane. They drove us around on that little bus for twenty minutes and when we got to the plane it was completely dark. No crew. Nothing. So we are driven back to the terminal where one of the American employees get on the bus to tell us our flight is cancelled.

A man (white if that matters), "I understand the flight is cancelled but couldn't you guys have made a call to the plane and found out no one was on it so that we wouldn't have driven around for forty-five minutes"

"Sir, you have no right to question me."

"What do you mean, no right? I'm a customer and I asking why you wasted my time and the time of these good people."

"Sir, this is a post-911 world. If you don't be quiet I will have the police escort you to jail. We don't allow people to challenge our decisions anymore."

Or something to that effect. Also, while we were waiting in line to be rescheduled the next day the person at the counter (yes, person. One person for several hundred reschedules) regularly yelled at people for asking her if there were any more flights out that night. I mean yelled. Like, making kids cry, yelled. I wrote a letter to the airline which I still fly, but not through that airport. I was never contacted. They never said anything to me even though I'm like mega-platinum or something like that.

Since 911 airline workers sometimes use police like some people here use mods. There is no bias. It's not a race thing. It's a power thing. And if this wasn't Mo'Nique this story would have played out very differently.

The airline was clearly wrong here. But her reactions since show she is not looking at this reasonably. Nothing, even in her story, shows that race was ever an issue.


I agree that there was probably not racism as a cause in this, but I DO think that a lot of airline personnel are also using this as an excuse to lord it over people and then follow up with "Don't question me or I'll fuck you over".

I just wondered why it was necessary to equate Mo'Nique to the biggest, loudest, most racist joke NY has ever seen. There are plenty of other loudmouths to have compared her to.

He always calls "racist" when something like this happens.

Religions were also founded by schizos and people who didn't understand the world.

The way she used the word animal is racist against other animals. If the word n****r were in common usage, does that make it better than dark-skinned person(not Black/African-American).

Ok, and what does the topic have to do with religion now?

I agree that there was probably not racism as a cause in this, but I DO think that a lot of airline personnel are also using this as an excuse to lord it over people and then follow up with "Don't question me or I'll fuck you over".

I just wondered why it was necessary to equate Mo'Nique to the biggest, loudest, most racist joke NY has ever seen. There are plenty of other loudmouths to have compared her to.

No, it was meant to be baiting just like the comment about religion that followed it. The actions speak volumes about the poster, no?

Ok, and what does the topic have to do with religion now?

It's because discrimination against animals is racism. And religions often talk about animals in their holy books. And Al Sharpton read some books and once wore holy underwear.

So obviously the three ideas cannot be discussed seperately. So the clear defense of making an absurd comparison of Mo'Nique to Al Sharpton is to insult all religions.

. . . We are civilized creatures. . .

That's debatable :-P We're also one of very few species on the planet that kill our own kind for jealousy or greed or abstract beliefs. We're one of the only creatures on the planet that don't strike a harmonious balance with our environment, despite our vaunted intellect. And we employed our consciousness in amassing arsenals of weapons that could scour all life off the face of the Earth, which is *clearly* insane.

Granted, I'm not saying I'd rather be a dolphin (although I like that they have sex for fun), because then I'd never know chocolate or the internet or Plato, but still... Humanity isn't all it's cracked up to be. We're destructive, avaricious mammals capable of genocide-- hardly a position of high esteem.

Humans aren't animals. Well, some of us are. I tend to think of violent criminals, AQ, Hezz, hadj, Fred Phelps as lower forms of life, more akin to pond scum than rational, thinking, intelligent beings with a mind.

Humans have a soul, animals do not.

What in the flying frigs does racisim have to do with animals?

Simply put; we can talk and truely remember ideas and concepts (not just the Ape signlanguage they forget later on)

This thing's still going? It is obvious that humans and the rest of the animal kingdom are very very different. Man, I look out of my window and see a whole city -- an amazing construction. This city wasn't built by anything other than humans. The point: we have a mind, which is very different than anything else found in nature.

This thing's still going? It is obvious that humans and the rest of the animal kingdom are very very different. Man, I look out of my window and see a whole city -- an amazing construction. This city wasn't built by anything other than humans. The point: we have a mind, which is very different than anything else found in nature.
Ants have cities.

rational, thinking, intelligent beings with a mind.

Humans are separate from animals because of their rational thinking.

Humans have a soul, animals do not.

Humans are separate from animals because of their soul.


That is quite a u-turn you took in that post.

Ants have cities.

At bests, ants have hives.

Ants have cities.

Really, where? I wouldn't mind talking to their Mayor. Do you have China towns, too?

Really, where? I wouldn't mind talking to their Mayor. Do you have China towns, too?
I don't speak Queen Ant. Sorry.

But lookee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3561352.stm

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.
Because we're us, and animals are not-us.

I don't speak Queen Ant. Sorry.

But lookee:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3561352.stm


That's very interesting -- a colony 1000s of mile long! Give them some good evolutionary time and they could be more successful than us -- given that they can get along (we could use some of those genes.)

That's very interesting -- a colony 1000s of mile long! Give them some good evolutionary time and they could be more successful than us -- given that they can get along (we could use some those genes.)
I don't know if I'd like ants with the ability to reason...

I don't know if I'd like ants with the ability to reason...

Yeah, they'd be like the Borg.

Yeah, they'd be like the Borg.
And we can all agree that the Borg are icky.

And we can all agree that the Borg are icky.

I don't know, there is an attraction in their ability to reason accurately and act in unison efficiently. The borg are a type of distopian perfection (but not a perfect distopia, if you get what I mean).

Of course we're animals. We're just at the top of the food chain.

Of course we're animals. We're just at the top of the food chain.

How do you know we are animals? I'm playing with you, but, please, answer.

How do you know we are animals? I'm playing with you, but, please, answer.

What part of mammel don't you understand?

I don't know, there is an attraction in their ability to reason accurately and act in unison efficiently. The borg are a type of distopian perfection (but not a perfect distopia, if you get what I mean).
I'd rather leave the word distopia out of my world view. Utopia can only lead to failure but that's only if you do too good of a job trying to bring it about. What time is it? I'm asleep.

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.

It isn't for me. Humans as a speicies just have a superiority complex large ehough to fill the albert hall a thousand times over.

I'd rather leave the word distopia out of my world view. Utopia can only lead to failure but that's only if you do too good of a job trying to bring it about. What time is it? I'm asleep.

Nighty night.

I know what the OP means. If people would just accept that all we are is another species and that we are indeed competing with every other species just as they are, it would shut the environmentalists up real good.
Pavement is our habitat, bitches.

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal". Well honey, YOU ARE A GODDAMN FRICKIN ANIMAL YOU AL SHARPTON WANNABE!

Then again you could say we are self-destructive robots...but that's figurative.


OK, people are weird.

Most of us ARE and behave like a bunch of effing animals.



And tangentially, I don't see how anyone with a freak name like Mo'Nique can have the slightest claim to respect.

There's a lynx add, I think it's a lynx add, some anti-stink product ad anyway, and at a glance the bar is filled with baboons with painted faces (this was during the world cup) jumping up and down and slapping eachother and grunting etc, and the next glance it's men, with painted faces, doing the same.

And the resemblance is uncanny.

but that's by the by

Personally I think humans are very animalistic.

What part of mammel don't you understand?The spelling.

The spelling.
Pwned.

Lots of humans keep referring to animals as if they aren't an animal. For instance, just recently some actor or something named Mo'Nique was allegedly treated badly on a plane trip for "racist" reasons. She said she was treated "like an animal".
Humans are the only creatures capable of transcending their instinctive behaviour.

Humans are the only creatures capable of transcending their instinctive behaviour.So herding sheep is a dog's instinctive behaviour? Rolling over? Playing dead? Pandering to human masters?
Any animal that can learn transcends its mere instincts in some degree. And most animals have some capacity for learning. We just happen to have a much greater capacity for it.

So herding sheep is a dog's instinctive behaviour? Rolling over? Playing dead? Pandering to human masters?
Any animal that can learn transcends its mere instincts in some degree. And most animals have some capacity for learning. We just happen to have a much greater capacity for it.


Herding prey, faking injury, and pandering to its superiors are indeed instinctive behaviour to the lupus-family, and its canine relatives.

So herding sheep is a dog's instinctive behaviour? Rolling over? Playing dead? Pandering to human masters?
Any animal that can learn transcends its mere instincts in some degree. And most animals have some capacity for learning. We just happen to have a much greater capacity for it.
gREATER?
Why?,ego?
Knowing pain is what it is?
is it greater,?
Than knowing it,thus inflicting it to others
?
jep

gREATER?
Why?,ego?
Knowing pain is what it is?
is it greater,?
Than knowing it,thus inflicting it to others
?
jep

*scratches head*

Guillevic?
Camus?
Satre?

:confused:

*scratches head*

Guillevic?
Camus?
Satre?

:confused:
i

i like sartre and camus
les mouches et les main sales

i


I mean, that made absolutely no sense - unless it was some kind of expressionist piece of poetry which had a bad encounter with Babelfish.

You know, the "l'enfer, c'est les autres" kind of thingie

Herding prey, faking injury, and pandering to its superiors are indeed instinctive behaviour to the lupus-family, and its canine relatives.

Then there is no activity that can't be equally linked back to our instincts and base nature... when you make your references that vague, like 'pandering to its superiors'. Hell, if we convinced a dog to stand up and give a sermon at church, you could call it 'pandering to its superiors'.

Then there is no activity that can't be equally linked back to our instincts and base nature... when you make your references that vague, like 'pandering to its superiors'. Hell, if we convinced a dog to stand up and give a sermon at church, you could call it 'pandering to its superiors'.


I won't blame you for not reading every word I ever wrote -
but I think I already have affirmed what you wrote there -
and I affirm it as right and proper. Especially the 'pandering to superiors' part.

Authority exists - by natural law - in order to be submitted to.

I won't blame you for not reading every word I ever wrote -
but I think I already have affirmed what you wrote there -
and I affirm it as right and proper. Especially the 'pandering to superiors' part.

Authority exists - by natural law - in order to be submitted to.
oh!,Authority exists ,and is natural,if you accept it?

How do you know we are animals? I'm playing with you, but, please, answer.
As the fellow after me stated, we're mammals and by definition animals.

oh!,Authority exists ,and is natural,if you accept it?


It pre-existed the very concept of 'you' that you refer to.

Kosmos kosmou kosmou, as it would have been said in Koine.

It pre-existed the very concept of 'you' that you refer to.

Kosmos kosmou kosmou, as it would have been said in Koine.
no it make an exuse,to see us as better or lesser,
Animal kingdom doesn't need it.
it just need balaNCE

no it make an exuse,to see us as better or lesser,
Animal kingdom doesn't need it.
it just need balaNCE

Did you create this earth?
No? I thought so.

Meanwhile: obedience and subservience to Authority.

Did you create this earth?
No? I thought so.

Meanwhile: obedience and subservience to Authority.
cREATION?

Humans are lower than animals. When an animal does something "wrong", it was only acting on survival instinct, and didnt know better. When a human does wrong, he/she knows, yet deliberately does it anyway.

I won't blame you for not reading every word I ever wrote -
but I think I already have affirmed what you wrote there -
and I affirm it as right and proper. Especially the 'pandering to superiors' part.

Authority exists - by natural law - in order to be submitted to.

So many words and not an idea in the lot of them. You haven't said anything of substance. Does that work? If you don't have an argument you just say a bunch of words that sound profound and no one notices?

The FACT is that whether authority exists and always exists is not germaine to whether or not your reply actually refuted the point you were replying to. It didn't.

The point being discussed was in regard to a statement that humans transcend their instinctual behavior while animals do not. The reply you didn't address was one that stated that dogs do transcend their instinctual behavior by behaving in ways not simply dictated by instinct. Your reply addressed neither statement. You might as well have said that all activities are instinctual because they involve breathing and breathing is instinctive.

And tangentially, I don't see how anyone with a freak name like Mo'Nique can have the slightest claim to respect.

Yes, because we can judge the quality of a person by their name.

I personally don't see how anyone who makes a statement such as yours can have the slightest claim to respect. After all, you should at least be required to show a little first.

I'm an animal and proud of it. Most people are animals and not proud of it. That's why we hide our nakedness, because we're all ashamed of our base animal nature and like to delude ourselves into thinking we're morally superior to animals. Right before sitting down with a big bowl of microwaved popcorn to watch Lebanon get bombed on TV.

The spelling.

Gee aint u smert! :rolleyes: