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I was thinking of this yesterday. If there isn't even remotely anything to show, what is there to hide? They look exactly like a boy's chest. And for that matter why are females forced to have tops while males aren't? Damn "values people" trying to "protect" our children with de facto laws. If people stopped this policy, it would be less "whoa!" to see a topless female as can be seen when seeing a topless male, no one thinks anything of it.

I was thinking of this yesterday. If there isn't even remotely anything to show, what is there to hide? They look exactly like a boy's chest. And for that matter why are females forced to have tops while males aren't? Damn "values people" trying to "protect" our children with de facto laws. If people stopped this policy, it would be less "whoa!" to see a topless female as can be seen when seeing a topless male, no one thinks anything of it.
Because guys would be too buisy masturbating all the time.

lol that's really funny now that u say it. I have to think about that

I'm for no more tops for one reason:

Boobs. :D

Because it looks like a female with a flat chest. Gives pedophiles ideas.

Because guys would be too buisy masturbating all the time.
The point is to prevent that by making it more common and less unusual and tempting. And its just Nature saying what it wants you to think: "Look at those" ;)

Because guys would be too buisy masturbating all the time.

No they wouldn't, if they were used to the sight.

But here's a thought for you, from a female point of view, that I know other women might very well slam me for. Personally, even if given the option, I would cover my chest when I went out, went swimming, etc, exactly like I do now, and I'm rather glad that women generally do. I don't like that we're not even given the choice, but I wouldn't wish for it to become commonplace for women to be shirtless in public.

Why?

Well, I read a comment once (I think it was on this board) from a guy who said he prefers women to wear shirts in public because then seeing a woman's breasts becomes a special thing that he derives pleasure from. He got slammed by a girl for suggesting that women should be denied rights for men's pleasures, but I thought about it for awhile, and really, I love that my boyfriend is so intrigued by my breasts and takes so much pleasure in seeing them. If seeing a woman's breasts became commonplace, then I wouldn't get to enjoy the look on his face when he sees mine, because it'd be no big deal... so I understand completely what that guy (whoever it was) meant, and I feel basically the same way from the other direction.

If that made any sense. And yes, like I said, I'm sure someone's gonna jump down my throat for it, but before they do, this is just my opinion. :)

This subject bothers me...why do you care ?

The point is to prevent that by making it more common and less unusual and tempting. And its just Nature saying what it wants you to think: "Look at those" ;)
The problem is, if we see boobs all the time, they become less alluring, and, thus, less sexy. If you can't see 'em, you can only guess what they actually look like, and it becomes a quest to see them.
So, I say "Hide yer boobs, for the sake of procreation and humanity! Us males (and females who are into that sorta thing) need something to work towards!"

The point is to prevent that by making it more common and less unusual and tempting. And its just Nature saying what it wants you to think: "Look at those" ;)
But, during the first month, the economy would take a huge hit. The internet would stop as all the nerds leave their houses for the first time in years. People would miss work as the spotted a hottie on the way. The healthcare system would have decade long waiting lists due to chafing.

Seeing boobs is not such a big thing on beaches in Europe. No one seems to get too excited about it.

This subject bothers me...why do you care ?

Best post so far.

this thread is dead

I was thinking of this yesterday. If there isn't even remotely anything to show, what is there to hide? They look exactly like a boy's chest. And for that matter why are females forced to have tops while males aren't? Damn "values people" trying to "protect" our children with de facto laws. If people stopped this policy, it would be less "whoa!" to see a topless female as can be seen when seeing a topless male, no one thinks anything of it.
uh.......weird topic for sure.

I would think it's because we are trying to teach them modesty, it's not a bad thing you know.

Yeah, back to the OP.

Nature will always force interest. Don't you still get attracted by eyes, smile, hair, etc...those are uncovered. *randomly thinks of Muslim women covered everywhere except eyes*

uh.......weird topic for sure.

I would think it's because we are trying to teach them modesty, it's not a bad thing you know.
How does it teach modesty?

actually in Eugene Oregon (I thyink I've told this on here before because its a rather nice little story), women are allowed to go topless about town (some stores frown upon it though - but its usually the no, shoes/pants/shirt, no service places) - in fact on my first day there I was driving by a punk tea house and there was a woman standing out front washing herself with a hose (or cooling off but I think she was washing) and she was completely nude... directly across teh street there was a biker cop pulling someone over for a traffic violation and completely ignored the washing woman.

I think this issue with breasts being something that should be covered is silly. If people want to cover themselves then fine but it shouldnt be a law. The taboo is what makes toplessness all the more sexual or exciting.

I heard in Britian somewhere there is a politician tryign to make it illegal for men to go topless as well.

I have a another good reason for wearing shirts: sunburn.

It isn't officially illegal, well at least 'round these parts, it's certainly de facto(love that phrase) illegal as in a taboo.

How does it teach modesty?
I have no clue.:confused:

I have a another good reason for wearing shirts: sunburn.
Yeah I have that problem a lot even if I wear a shirt.

It isn't officially illegal, well at least 'round these parts, it's certainly de facto(love that phrase) illegal as in a taboo.
OK, so basically, you're talking about forcing women to bare their... (can't think of a good euphemism for 'em...) breasts.
This thread has gone from weird to creepy.

Yeah I have that problem a lot even if I wear a shirt.
...Tube top or something like that?

Or just one too many wet T-shirt contests... :D

I'm not saying force it, just get rid of the taboo of it. If a woman runs down the street topless...nevermind bad example. If a woman is at the beach topless, then just think whatever and move on...well unless she appears to be single and then feel free to go ahead.

Personally, I think women should be allowed to show skin. For one thing, males will still be attracted to females, the only difference will be that the sight of breasts will not seem so odd to them and will not trigger so much of a self control destroying lust in them. Rather, they would be capable of seeing the beauty of women, the entire woman, and while being aroused if the woman was behaving in an erotic manner, they would otherwise see the cuteness and natural art of the nude female figure.

Also, women would be able to show off how beautiful they were without having to sleep around to be seen naked. While I can see how a heterosexual female may want a male entranced only by seeing their breasts, I personally would enjoy it if I could show off how I look within my lifetime. Even skimpy, but legal clothing will get calls to the police around here with people demanding they do something.

I'm not saying force it, just get rid of the taboo of it. If a woman runs down the street topless...nevermind bad example. If a woman is at the beach topless, then just think whatever and move on...well unless she appears to be single and then feel free to go ahead.
Well, it's nearly impossible to get rid of a taboo. Especially when there is, in the opinion of most people, no reason to get rid of it. Anyway, if a lot of women went around topless, it would kind of get rid of the Mystique of the Booby. Which would make me sad.

Personally, I think women should be allowed to show skin. For one thing, males will still be attracted to females, the only difference will be that the sight of breasts will not seem so odd to them and will not trigger so much of a self control destroying lust in them. Rather, they would be capable of seeing the beauty of women, the entire woman, and while being aroused if the woman was behaving in an erotic manner, they would otherwise see the cuteness and natural art of the nude female figure.

Also, women would be able to show off how beautiful they were without having to sleep around to be seen naked. While I can see how a heterosexual female may want a male entranced only by seeing their breasts, I personally would enjoy it if I could show off how I look within my lifetime. Even skimpy, but legal clothing will get calls to the police around here with people demanding they do something.

Because that's what girls wear. Little girls are very specific about what girls wear, and want to wear it too. Helps with their identity and stuff.

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Oopsidoodles.

No they wouldn't, if they were used to the sight.

But here's a thought for you, from a female point of view, that I know other women might very well slam me for. Personally, even if given the option, I would cover my chest when I went out, went swimming, etc, exactly like I do now, and I'm rather glad that women generally do. I don't like that we're not even given the choice, but I wouldn't wish for it to become commonplace for women to be shirtless in public.

Why?

Well, I read a comment once (I think it was on this board) from a guy who said he prefers women to wear shirts in public because then seeing a woman's breasts becomes a special thing that he derives pleasure from. He got slammed by a girl for suggesting that women should be denied rights for men's pleasures, but I thought about it for awhile, and really, I love that my boyfriend is so intrigued by my breasts and takes so much pleasure in seeing them. If seeing a woman's breasts became commonplace, then I wouldn't get to enjoy the look on his face when he sees mine, because it'd be no big deal... so I understand completely what that guy (whoever it was) meant, and I feel basically the same way from the other direction.

If that made any sense. And yes, like I said, I'm sure someone's gonna jump down my throat for it, but before they do, this is just my opinion. :)


I agree! Excellent points.

It's like watching National Geographics with topless natives or aboriginals of various places. It takes all the thrill out of those boobs. Doesn't matter how well-crafted the boobs actually are. Seeing them all the time devalues their beauty.

I LIKE gift-wrappings.

Oopsidoodles.
This thread is going the wrong direction...so I'm kind of freaked because of my other post.

I think it's to train them to wear it when they're adults.
Of course, the logic of that is still specious, because the best argument for that so far is "Because then guys will get used to them".
Really, if that isn't a stupid argument I don't know what is.

I agree! Excellent points.

It's like watching National Geographics with topless natives or aboriginals of various places. It takes all the thrill out of those boobs. Doesn't matter how well-crafted the boobs actually are. Seeing them all the time devalues their beauty.

I LIKE gift-wrappings.

:)

In my mind, it's not necessarily denying women rights, but giving us a sort of power... y'know... the power to choose who we display our lovely breasts to, or something. ;) And hey, it makes men chase us. Which isn't always a good thing, but if they have nothing to work towards, well, they just aren't gonna try half as hard... and then it's no fun.

I think, as much as guys say they want women to walk around shirtless, if they really understood how much society would change, they'd keep the situation as it is... cos even if it was fun at first, they'd lose out in the long run. Well, until they found something else to focus on, but there wouldn't be much left except what we already cover anyway... :p

I was thinking of this yesterday. If there isn't even remotely anything to show, what is there to hide? They look exactly like a boy's chest.

Practice. Have to learn that body-shame early. :-)

Also, most little girls would be offended to be mistaken for little boys. Much of little-girlhood tends to be pink and frilly by choice.

And for that matter why are females forced to have tops while males aren't? Damn "values people" trying to "protect" our children with de facto laws.

They aren't. Province of Ontario Court of Appeal. Judgment C12668, The Queen vs. Gwen Jacobs (1996) ruled that women have an equal right to that of men to go topless in public, as long as it isn't for profti. Mind you, most women still do not wander around topless; they have the option to wear tops, just as men do.

Personally I think that the law went the wrong way; for equality, the courts should have told men to put on a t-shirt. The Anti-Cancer Council (http://www.sunsmart.com.au/downloads/about_sunsmart/ads/slip_slop_slap.mpg) seems to agree. :-) In addition, picture a somewhat obese neighbour, belly hanging over the waist of his shorts, pushing a lawnmower around and sweating in the sun. Wouldn't have legislating a shirt on him been a great public service? :-)

Either because...
1. People are afraid of boobies.
2. People are afraid boys will constantly touch their pee pees.

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picture a somewhat obese neighbour, belly hanging over the waist of his shorts, pushing a lawnmower around and sweating in the sun. Wouldn't have legislating a shirt on him been a great public service? :-)
Yup, my neighbor does that all day. When he's not beating his wife. It's Faaantastic.

This thread is very hard to masturbate to.

No, I'm not choking the chicken, spanking the monkey, hitting the Tbone, or playing with ma'sef. It's just a funny, witty phrase intended to make people LAUGH.

This thread is very hard to masturbate to.
No, I'm not choking the chicken, spanking the monkey, hitting the Tbone, or playing with ma'sef. It's just a funny, witty phrase intended to make people LAUGH
It's not working.

Why do little girls wear tops of bathing suits?
Practice? No ... seriously!

Yup, my neighbor does that all day. When he's not beating his wife. It's Faaantastic.

Wack him in the face with a sausage.

Wack him in the face with a sausage.
...At least you didn't say "your" sausage... That would just be gross.

And I do fight with him occasionally. Not, y'know, fight him, but argue. And give him the finger. He was in the marine corp, so I try to keep more than an arm's lenght away from him.

...At least you didn't say "your" sausage... That would just be gross.

And I do fight with him occasionally. Not, y'know, fight him, but argue. And give him the finger. He was in the marine corp, so I try to keep more than an arm's lenght away from him.

Then it's settled. You'll just have to pull his arms off.

This thread is very hard to masturbate to.

No, I'm not choking the chicken, spanking the monkey, hitting the Tbone, or playing with ma'sef. It's just a funny, witty phrase intended to make people LAUGH.

I'm on to you. ;)

Then it's settled. You'll just have to pull his arms off.
...Or shoot him.

Wack him in the face with a sausage.
If you look at this, it almost says
Wank him in the face with your sausage.

...Or shoot him.


If you look at this, it almost says (Wank him in the face with your sausage.)

1: Or, you could pull one of your arms off and use it as a weapon!

2: Hmm... You catch on fast.

While everyone's going on and on off topic, I'll steer the thread back to where it kinda should be..

Here's a thought that people haven't had. With all your "boobs are special" talk, whatever... Picture this, though, girl and guy (as in, you and your significant other) go to the park, play frizbee in the 90+ degree heat... Both of you are sweating like pigs. So Guy takes his shirt off and tosses it on the grass, but Girl has to keep wearing hers as sweat runs down places it shouldn't. Why should Girl have to wait another hour until Guy and Girl get home to take her shirt off and quit sweating?

Seriously, nothing worse than watching my guy go sit outside wearing just jeans and I have to find a shirt so I can go outside when it's 95 out and sweat. The first thing I do when I get home is take my shirt off. (I usually walk around in my bra)..

Of course, on that note, why is it unacceptable for a woman to go around in just a bra, but a bikini top is okay? HellllooO! Bikini tops cover half of what a bra covers but are perfectly acceptable for what reason? Because they don't use hook and eye closures on the backside?

Here's a thought that people haven't had. With all your "boobs are special" talk, whatever... Picture this, though, girl and guy (as in, you and your significant other) go to the park, play frizbee in the 90+ degree heat... Both of you are sweating like pigs. So Guy takes his shirt off and tosses it on the grass, but Girl has to keep wearing hers as sweat runs down places it shouldn't. Why should Girl have to wait another hour until Guy and Girl get home to take her shirt off and quit sweating?

Seriously, nothing worse than watching my guy go sit outside wearing just jeans and I have to find a shirt so I can go outside when it's 95 out and sweat. The first thing I do when I get home is take my shirt off. (I usually walk around in my bra)..

Just a quick Public Service Announcement...
*AHEM* IT'S NOT OKAY FOR US GUYS TO WALK AROUND OUTSIDE WITHOUT A SHIRT ON (unless they're TOTALLY sexy. Like, Davey Havok sexy.) BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR SWEATY MAN-TITS OR CHEST HAIR! Thank you.

Just a quick Public Service Announcement...
*AHEM* IT'S NOT OKAY FOR US GUYS TO WALK AROUND OUTSIDE WITHOUT A SHIRT ON (unless they're TOTALLY sexy. Like, Davey Havok sexy.) BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR SWEATY MAN-TITS OR CHEST HAIR! Thank you.

Lemme get this straight...

...It's not okay for us guys to walk around without shirts on in public, but it's just fine and dandy for us to piss in front of/with each other?

Interesting!

Lemme get this straight...

...It's not okay for us guys to walk around without shirts on in public, but it's just fine and dandy for us to piss in front of/with each other?

Interesting!
Don't bring that thread in here. And, besides, I'm not looking at your d*ck in the pisser, but it's kind of hard to not see a bare chest and shoulder/back/stomach/chest/etc hair outside.

Just a quick Public Service Announcement...
*AHEM* IT'S NOT OKAY FOR US GUYS TO WALK AROUND OUTSIDE WITHOUT A SHIRT ON (unless they're TOTALLY sexy. Like, Davey Havok sexy.) BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR SWEATY MAN-TITS OR CHEST HAIR! Thank you.
Well go to any city or populated area during summer and you'll find a good handful of shirtless men. A few weeks ago I was on vacation and there was a guy walking around in just boxers...or underwear...I wasn't really looking. :)

Don't bring that thread in here. And, besides, I'm not looking at your d*ck in the pisser, but it's kind of hard to not see a bare chest and shoulder/back/stomach/chest/etc hair outside.

It's open pants above open shirt. Something about that just doesn't click.

Just a quick Public Service Announcement...
*AHEM* IT'S NOT OKAY FOR US GUYS TO WALK AROUND OUTSIDE WITHOUT A SHIRT ON (unless they're TOTALLY sexy. Like, Davey Havok sexy.) BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR SWEATY MAN-TITS OR CHEST HAIR! Thank you.
This is true. Nothing irritates me more than another guy running around with his shirt off, beer gut bouncing around and hairy flab making your stomache churn.

Similarly, there are shitloads of women I don't want to see topless!
So, I don't care if you go topless, at all, but if you are ugly I'm going to throw things at you.

Like a towel. And tell you to cover up.

Because guys would be too buisy masturbating all the time.
We already are...

Picture this, though, girl and guy (as in, you and your significant other) go to the park, play frizbee in the 90+ degree heat...

Sorry; you lost me. I really can't picture myself playing frisbee in 90+ degree heat. I can't handle much more than 25 and enjoy any sort of physical activity. 90? I hope to heck we're using different scales. :-)

Guy takes his shirt off and tosses it on the grass, but Girl has to keep wearing hers as sweat runs down places it shouldn't. Why should Girl have to wait another hour until Guy and Girl get home to take her shirt off and quit sweating?

Should? Well, depending on how the girl is built, there is a minor issue of support. If they are going to keep bouncing around in the heat, and if the female is built similarly to me, things would flop quite uncomfortably, and the lack of fabric between layers of skin would increase the heat rash issue.

Seriously, 90? Nobody's going to stop sweating regardless of amount of attire until she gets into the air conditioning.

Besides, Surf Shack would wander by and throw things at me. :-)

In Texas, legally only the genitals have to be covered, but nobody walks around topless. It’s societal, not legal.
Plus, do women really want to lose some of the power they have over men?

Besides, Surf Shack would wander by and throw things at me. :-)
For clarification, I believe you are thinking Celsius, and they are on Fahrenheit.

And I might not throw things at you! I don't even know how you look! But if you're breastfeeding....

*Begins collecting items for throwing*

Sorry; you lost me. I really can't picture myself playing frisbee in 90+ degree heat. I can't handle much more than 25 and enjoy any sort of physical activity. 90? I hope to heck we're using different scales. :-)

Yeah, you must be using Celsius. 25 on Fahrenheit is a few degrees below 0 on Celsius. 90... is probably around 30 Celsius...

And I might not throw things at you! I don't even know how you look!

But I do. :-) I am sufficiently far from the western ideal of beauty that if you didn't throw things at me, another probably would. :-)

But if you're breastfeeding....

If I were breastfeeding, I wouldn't hesitate to expose my relevant breast. Or press assault charges against anybody who threw a dangerous towel at my child :-) Working breasts are different, just as working dogs get public access where pets are not allowed.

But I do. :-) I am sufficiently far from the western ideal of beauty that if you didn't throw things at me, another probably would. :-)



If I were breastfeeding, I wouldn't hesitate to expose my relevant breast. Or press assault charges against anybody who threw a dangerous towel at my child :-) Working breasts are different, just as working dogs get public access where pets are not allowed.
LOL
You can't press charges against me if you don't know my name!

(Guess I shouldn't have thrown the monogrammed towel then)

Just a quick Public Service Announcement...
*AHEM* IT'S NOT OKAY FOR US GUYS TO WALK AROUND OUTSIDE WITHOUT A SHIRT ON (unless they're TOTALLY sexy. Like, Davey Havok sexy.) BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SEE YOUR SWEATY MAN-TITS OR CHEST HAIR! Thank you.


I haven't worn a shirt on outside latley seeing as how the past few days it was in the 90's and the next few days in the 100's. My man-tit's are huge because I have a very built chest from weightlifting. I can make em dance and all that stuff, which isn't that hard. Anyway, on of my neighbors, a little girl walked up to me as I was getting the mail and asked me. "Sir, are my boobs ever going to get that big?" I just kinda said, yeah and walked away.

You can't press charges against me if you don't know my name!
Camera phone :-)

I haven't worn a shirt on outside latley seeing as how the past few days it was in the 90's and the next few days in the 100's. My man-tit's are huge because I have a very built chest from weightlifting. I can make em dance and all that stuff, which isn't that hard. Anyway, on of my neighbors, a little girl walked up to me as I was getting the mail and asked me. "Sir, are my boobs ever going to get that big?" I just kinda said, yeah and walked away.
For one thing, protect yourself from sunburn. With a shirt. Cuz, even if you are built and an Adonis among men, I don't wanna see it.

Well Actually there isn't any law in the books saying that Females have to cover their chests while bathing. (In fact the only laws existing for bathing suits say they must go down to the knee)

For one thing, protect yourself from sunburn. With a shirt. Cuz, even if you are built and an Adonis among men, I don't wanna see it.


I wear spf-30, plus I'm always in my neighbor's pool when it's this hot so I'm usually in a swimsuit, I'm not wearing a shirt with my swimsuit on

This thread is going the wrong direction...so I'm kind of freaked because of my other post.
Aww, I actually thought your OP raised an excellent question & am confused why people seem to find the question strange. I'm talking about the little girls thing, though - older girls/grown-up women going topless outside of beaches would be weird to me, too.

As for why little girls are made to wear tops of bathing suits - I haven't the slightest idea.

I grew up in the seventies & eighties, in Europe, and little kids (toddlers) would definitely be running around on the beaches of Spain or Italy in the nude. When they got a little older (I don't know, three or four maybe?) they'd wear swimming trunks. And bikini tops only came in when the girls actually had breasts, which usually meant something between 12 and 14 (I mean, you could also have opted to go topless, but outside of nude beaches, most people actually kept on their tops a good part of the time and just maybe took them off while lying in the sun and tanning).

It still makes me shake my head today when I see a two-year-old on the beach in a bikini. WTF? It's also kind of laughable, because since there is nothing to hold up the top, it keeps moving around and getting bunched up under their armpits and trying to strangle them. :p

And maybe you get used to seeing that (well, not maybe, you obviously do) but when you take a minute to think about it, it's kinda surreal. Take a little girl and a little boy and stand them next to each other and then try to reasonably explain why the girl should cover her chest that is looking identical to that of the little boy with a piece of cloth? WTF?

I think this change of social convention comes, as so many things, from the US. And it's still far more prevalent there - basically what I'm saying is that we're slowly getting used to it, not finding it as outrageuos and redundant as we would have some years ago... you know how that goes.
I wouldn't know when the covering up of little kids started in the US, so I can't really comment on that.
But in general, I'd also say that the growing awareness of child abuse and pedophilia (including of course the related witch hunts of the 90s (or did it actually start in the late 80s? Dunno) definitely has something to do with it. That kind of too care of a lot of the running around naked or topless.

Take a little girl and a little boy and stand them next to each other and then try to reasonably explain why the girl should cover her chest that is looking identical to that of the little boy with a piece of cloth? WTF?

Well, Walt Disney's Little Mermaid wore a bikini top, and Princess Jasmine wore a cropped little top, and many little girls want to be Disney princesses. Barbie wears tops to her bathing suits, too, and Barbie is another marketing powerhouse in that demographic.

Wait, did you mean a reason that made sense to adults? Other than marketers?

Nevermind, then.

Well, Walt Disney's Little Mermaid wore a bikini top, and Princess Jasmine wore a cropped little top, and many little girls want to be Disney princesses. Barbie wears tops to her bathing suits, too, and Barbie is another marketing powerhouse in that demographic.

Wait, did you mean a reason that made sense to adults? Other than marketers?

Nevermind, then.
:D

You're totally right, of course. I have a little niece, and I know how that kind of "marketing peer pressure" works even on 6-year-olds. :rolleyes:

Actually, since I was comparing today with two decades ago, you make a really good point. That whole massive marketing of pink frilly femininity into cultural icons is probably one of the major changes to have happened during that time.

So there you have it - it's all capitalism's fault. *points finger and nods* :p

The problem is, if we see boobs all the time, they become less alluring, and, thus, less sexy. If you can't see 'em, you can only guess what they actually look like, and it becomes a quest to see them.
So, I say "Hide yer boobs, for the sake of procreation and humanity! Us males (and females who are into that sorta thing) need something to work towards!"

One word... GENITALIA. That's something to work towards.

Though I suppose it's not much, coming from a pancake... :mad:

I agree! Excellent points.

It's like watching National Geographics with topless natives or aboriginals of various places. It takes all the thrill out of those boobs. Doesn't matter how well-crafted the boobs actually are. Seeing them all the time devalues their beauty.

I LIKE gift-wrappings.
Wow, I expected you to be one of those saying "right to go topless.... don't care about people's feelings.... freedom blah blah."

No they wouldn't, if they were used to the sight.

But here's a thought for you, from a female point of view, that I know other women might very well slam me for. Personally, even if given the option, I would cover my chest when I went out, went swimming, etc, exactly like I do now, and I'm rather glad that women generally do. I don't like that we're not even given the choice, but I wouldn't wish for it to become commonplace for women to be shirtless in public.

Why?

Well, I read a comment once (I think it was on this board) from a guy who said he prefers women to wear shirts in public because then seeing a woman's breasts becomes a special thing that he derives pleasure from. He got slammed by a girl for suggesting that women should be denied rights for men's pleasures, but I thought about it for awhile, and really, I love that my boyfriend is so intrigued by my breasts and takes so much pleasure in seeing them. If seeing a woman's breasts became commonplace, then I wouldn't get to enjoy the look on his face when he sees mine, because it'd be no big deal... so I understand completely what that guy (whoever it was) meant, and I feel basically the same way from the other direction.

If that made any sense. And yes, like I said, I'm sure someone's gonna jump down my throat for it, but before they do, this is just my opinion. :)
Actually, I think you presented that quite well.

Have a cookie.

*Hands Amarenthe a cookie which magically becomes her favorite when she touches it*

Finest kind.

Either because...
1. People are afraid of boobies.
2. People are afraid boys will constantly touch their pee pees.

1. Of course people are afraid of boobies! Boobies are the sign of a promiscuous woman! We can't have topless women running around CHILDREN! We can't have little boys seeing such filth!

2. :eek: Not if we teach them Protestant body-same as well! Once that's in place, it will never be a problem!




:p

Umm, I can't actually recall seeing a little girl wearing a bikini top, they wear the bottom part just like boys. Or they don't wear anything at all at the beach, since they're children. And women sunbathing topless is very common.

I guess as a Scandinavian I just don't relate to the circumstance in the OP.

I guess as a Scandinavian I just don't relate to the circumstance in the OP.
I think that's it.

I have a another good reason for wearing shirts: sunburn.

Someone needs some good SPF-45

I'm for no more tops for one reason:

Boobs. :D


Wouldn't that be two reasons?

I'm for no more tops for one reason:

Boobs. :D
actually, it is two reasons. one on the left and one on the right! :D

1. Of course people are afraid of boobies! Boobies are the sign of a promiscuous woman! We can't have topless women running around CHILDREN! We can't have little boys seeing such filth!

2. :eek: Not if we teach them Protestant body-same as well! Once that's in place, it will never be a problem!




:p
we are thinking of the children... while topless, nursing mothers can readily feed their children without letting them starve while they fumble with a top and bra... :p

...At least you didn't say "your" sausage... That would just be gross. and hard to do since not everyone has a 'Kielbasa' but a 'Vienna'.