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Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE! Show it through the poll!

Yeah, I'm glad I'm not 5'4" and 575 pounds too.

I'm just glad I'm not 5'4.

definately carry a bit too much in reserves

Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE! Show it through the poll!
You're proud of the fact that you'll die young and can't walk up stairs without getting out of breath, plus the fact than anyone who has ever sat next to you on an airline hates you?

Embrace the fatness! Live it, learn it, love it!

You're proud of the fact that you'll die young and can't walk up stairs without getting out of breath, plus the fact than anyone who has ever sat next to you on an airline hates you?

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.

I saw the thread title and assumed it was posted by Rotovia.

By making this thread I am going to assume you are insecure and wish to be accepted but its just an assumption

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.
I'm very happy with life. And my 'fat envy' rating is as low as it goes. :)

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.

....There's someone who has to go to special stores to buy their clothes. There's someone who places a burden on the already strained NHS. There's someone who will wake up one morning and have to call Jerry Springer to get them out of their house.

I'm just glad I'm not 5'4.
What's wrong with being 5'4"? I'm 5'4" - barely. :(

I'm a little overweight and out of shape. I'm not like point and laugh fat. Even so I'm not loving it. I used to be in damn good shape and used to enjoy boxing and martial arts. Now I spend so much time at work and commuting that I don't get to work out like I used to plus I'm not eating as healthy as I used to. Anyone who's "fat and loving it" has probably never been in good shape and doesn't know what he's missing.

What's wrong with being 5'4"? I'm 5'4" - barely. :(

Aww theirs nothing wron with being 5' 4". Actually I find people at leats 5' 4" attractive:fluffle:

What's wrong with being 5'4"? I'm 5'4" - barely. :(

ok, that was a sterotype, sorry. :( the 90 pounds bit is what I was talking about.

What's wrong with being 5'4"? I'm 5'4" - barely. :(

Yeah, but I weigh about 15 stones. If I was 5'4", I'd be wider than I was tall.

iam quite happy that iam 5'3" and weigh 113lbs thank you very much:)

I'm a little overweight and out of shape. I'm not like point and laugh fat. Even so I'm not loving it. I used to be in damn good shape and used to enjoy boxing and martial arts. Now I spend so much time at work and commuting that I don't get to work out like I used to plus I'm not eating as healthy as I used to. Anyone who's "fat and loving it" has probably never been in good shape and doesn't know what he's missing.

Hardly. Always being the lineman when playing REAL (American) football. I was large and fit. I enjoy every second of my life and I just wondered if anyone else doesn't buy into the bull of you have to be skinny to be happy.

What's to love about being unfit?

I'm 5'4" and a (UK) size 18/20, and I think I look pretty good. I have no idea what weight I am, as I don't see the point in weighing myself.

I really wouldn't want to be thin, to be honest.

Edit: I meant about 5'3"...duh!

Aww theirs nothing wron with being 5' 4". Actually I find people at leats 5' 4" attractive:fluffle:
Thanks. :fluffle:

the 90 pounds bit is what I was talking about.
Ick. I'd be pretty emaciated if I only weighed 90 lbs.

Hardly. Always being the lineman when playing REAL (American) football. I was large and fit. I enjoy every second of my life and I just wondered if anyone else doesn't buy into the bull of you have to be skinny to be happy.

Step away from the football argument.Anyway I'm happy being skinny but not overly skinny but I'm happy

I'm 5'4" and a (UK) size 18/20, and I think I look pretty good. I really wouldn't want to be thin.

YAY! Someone else who kicks ass and doesn't hate!

Hardly. Always being the lineman when playing REAL (American) football. I was large and fit. I enjoy every second of my life and I just wondered if anyone else doesn't buy into the bull of you have to be skinny to be happy.
You mean the 'bull' you just made up yourself in starting this thread?

Being fat doesn't exclude you from being happy, I'm not sure anyone would seriously suggest that. It just excludes you from many other things, including enjoying sports, regular sized trousers, and a long life.

plus the fact than anyone who has ever sat next to you on an airline hates you?

Coincidentaly you got the same comments from frequent flyers.

YAY! Someone else who kicks ass and doesn't hate!

But now you're stereotyping all skiny people hate fat people. Stereotyping is never a good thing

Step away from the football argument.Anyway I'm happy being skinny but not overly skinny but I'm happy

Alright, fair play. I suppose I should've put in a happy with being skinny option... but I didn't think about it; I mean, look at the benefits! You don't get cold as easy, you die of starvation slower.... Anyone?

Hardly. Always being the lineman when playing REAL (American) football. I was large and fit. I enjoy every second of my life and I just wondered if anyone else doesn't buy into the bull of you have to be skinny to be happy.
Not skinny, physically fit. Skinny people just look sickly and weak.

Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE!

Those numbers are gibberish.

You mean the 'bull' you just made up yourself in starting this thread?

Being fat doesn't exclude you from being happy, I'm not sure anyone would seriously suggest that. It just excludes you from many other things, including enjoying sports, regular sized trousers, and a long life.

Winston Churchill was fat, he lived for a good long bit. Without fat people, there'd be no sumo wrestling, and haven't you ever laughed at someone try to fit into something far too small for them to fit into???

Yeah, but I weigh about 15 stones. If I was 5'4", I'd be wider than I was tall.
Well, I don't know what a stone is in kg or lbs, but I can understand not wanting to be wider than you are tall. :p Last time I weighed myself was about six months ago, and I was 110 lbs then. *shrug* I'm comfortable with myself this way, but then I used to weigh considerably more and I was comfortable then too. Whatever works for you.

But now you're stereotyping all skiny people hate fat people. Stereotyping is never a good thing

I was talking about the posts before that one, not skinnies.

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.
huh?
i eat more than my brother who is a college runner and i dont do hardly anything and yet iam still skinny and quite happy

Well, I don't know what a stone is in kg or lbs, but I can understand not wanting to be wider than you are tall. :p Last time I weighed myself was about six months ago, and I was 110 lbs then. *shrug* I'm comfortable with myself this way, but then I used to weigh considerably more and I was comfortable then too. Whatever works for you.

1 stone = 14 pounds. That puts me at about 210 pounds and 6'1" tall.

Winston Churchill was fat, he lived for a good long bit. Without fat people, there'd be no sumo wrestling, and haven't you ever laughed at someone try to fit into something far too small for them to fit into???

Are you saying that we should keep fat people around so we can make them fight each other and laugh at them, kina like large pets? :confused:

huh?
i eat more than my brother who is a college runner and i dont do hardly anything and yet iam still skinny and quite happy

I was proposing a stupid argument for a stupid person. Anyway, when you're fat, you supercede logic.

Are you saying that we should keep fat people around so we can make them fight each other and laugh at them, kina like large pets? :confused:


Yes, exactally. :)

Nah i'd rather be healthy...

!

Yes, exactally. :)

I like you. :)

When you roll down hills, it's ten times better than when you're skinny.

I like you. :)


:D

1 stone = 14 pounds. That puts me at about 210 pounds and 6'1" tall.
Thanks for the conversion. :)

I'm perfectly happy being fit and slim. I won't mock fat people, but really, is being unfit really something to strive for? Shorter life, knee and back problems, much higher rates of cardiac problems as well as numerous other medical issues... sorry, doesn't sound very tempting. But aslong as you're happy, why should I care?

Thanks for the conversion. :)
I've never understood why American's don't follow stones. They are, afterall, part of the same Imperial system; what yards are to feet.

I've never understood why American's don't follow stones. They are, afterall, part of the same Imperial system; what yards are to feet.
I really couldn't tell you. I grew up abroad, with the metric system, so I still have problems with lbs and feet and degrees Fahrenheit and such.

I'm perfectly happy being fit and slim. I won't mock fat people, but really, is being unfit really something to strive for? Shorter life, knee and back problems, much higher rates of cardiac problems as well as numerous other medical issues... sorry, doesn't sound very tempting. But aslong as you're happy, why should I care?


How many bicyclists do you know with bad knees? Or runners with bad knees and backs? I've even known a few to die of heart attacks as a direct result of their physical activity.... I'd rather die eating tasty things than running around a lot.

I really couldn't tell you. I grew up abroad, with the metric system, so I still have problems with lbs and feet and degrees Fahrenheit and such.
The metric system is the tool of the devil. My car gets forty rods to the hogs head and that's the way I likes it!

The metric system is the tool of the devil. My car gets forty rods to the hogs head and that's the way I likes it!


HAHAHAHAHA

I've never understood why American's don't follow stones. They are, afterall, part of the same Imperial system; what yards are to feet.

Tis a mystery I assume we'll never solve. I never got why they changed all the Imperial measurement ever so slightly.

The metric system is the tool of the devil. My car gets forty rods to the hogs head and that's the way I likes it!
Lol. But everything is so much easier to keep straight if you use the metric system! After five years living in California, I still can't tell you if a gallon is bigger than a quart, or how many yards there are in a mile. ;)

Which mouse would you rather be? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Fatmouse.jpg)

But everything is so much easier to keep straight if you use the metric system! After five years living in California, I still can't tell you if a gallon is bigger than a quart, or how many yards there are in a mile.
Quart = 1 quarter of a gallon. Hence the name. ;)

1 mile = 1,760 yards

Which mouse would you rather be? (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0b/Fatmouse.jpg)


Oh snap! The bigger mouse looks like he's about to eat the smaller mouse! You can see it in his eyes..... the mouse bloodlust is a vicious thing.... a vicious thing.....

Quart = 1 quarter of a gallon. Hence the name. ;)
Aha! You see, if people would only tell me useful bits of information like that, I might have an easier time remembering these things. Of course, I might still have problems remembering what it is a quart is a quarter of, but that's just me.

Your faithful fat servant is going.... going....... Gone. Peace y'all!

"The joys of obesity" ? Only on NSG.

"I'm not fat, just big boned!" - Cartman (South Park) :D

"I'm not fat, just big boned!" - Cartman (South Park) :D

Well you must have a huge bone in your ass! :D

"The joys of obesity" ? Only on NSG.

It's an interesting diversion from all the war and George Bush that usually fills these screens.

http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/cartman.gif "I'm not fat, just big boned!"
Hehe. Good to see someone else thought of it as well [Junii].

1.72m & 81kg. The World Cup added some reserves to my tummy, but I've never been above 85kg. While I have definitely been in a better shape 10 years ago, I can't really complain - I'm just the way I am and that's a-okay :D

5'10" and 140 pounds here... :p

5'11" and 160 lbs. I'd rather be skinny, eat whatever I want, and be physically fit than be fat, slow, and ugly. With a little effort, you can eat what you want and have a nice body. Fat ppl are just too lazy to do anything about their fatness so they stay that way until they die.

Well you must have a huge bone in your ass! :D
"Shut UP!... Damit!..."
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/101/satelite_dish.gif

"Screw you, I'm going home."

Billywagon']5'11" and 160 lbs. I'd rather be skinny, eat whatever I want, and be physically fit than be fat, slow, and ugly. With a little effort, you can eat what you want and have a nice body. Fat ppl are just too lazy to do anything about their fatness so they stay that way until they die.

Well, I'm still growing, and no matter what I eat, I lose weight. I can eat a bacon double cheeseburger and lose a pound an hour later.

My vital signs are also extremely good... Blood pressure is an average of 85/60 with a pulse rating of 62. :D

Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE! Show it through the poll!
5'11" and 220 pounds.

not loving it :( (but don't care that much, meh)

5'11" and 220 pounds.

not loving it :( (but don't care that much, meh)

My brother's 6'1" and 205. I'll surpass that in a year or two (the height, not the weight!). I got the slow growth genes...

Large and not loving it.. :(

Going to not eat for awhile..

Large and not loving it.. :(

Going to not eat for awhile..

Can I have your philly cheesesteak then?

Can I have your philly cheesesteak then?

I call dibs on his pierogies!

...Wait...

>.>

Large and not loving it.. :(

Going to not eat for awhile..
That's actually a bad thing, Starvation diets actually cause you to get fatter. the body will put more food into storage than use for energy. just cut back on your meals, my rule of thumb is eat half of what you normally eat and put the rest away for the next meal.

Large and not loving it.. :(

Going to not eat for awhile..
i was going to do that but people here convinced me not to. lots of reasons why it doesn't work, apparently.

shame cos nothing > salad :p

Right now, I consider myself to be in good physical shape. I get plenty of exercise, and I try to eat well. Because of my body type, my healthy weight is skinny. To get fat, I would have to quit running and invest in serious junk food. Personally, that doesn't appeal to me.

I seriously am 5'4" and 91 pounds, and I'm a guy.

Can I have your philly cheesesteak then?
Sure

I call dibs on his pierogies!

...Wait...

>.>
:eek:

Personally, running doesn't appeal to me.

If it weren't for my daily "exercise" on my bike to get my anywhere, I'd have to seriously cut down on snacks and chocolate. And sugary drinks, for that matter. :(

If the next pool were around the corner I sure as hell would pick up swimming again. Keeps you in shape, I'm telling you! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/shark.gif

I seriously am 5'4" and 91 pounds, and I'm a guy.
IT's true you know!

That's actually a bad thing, Starvation diets actually cause you to get fatter. the body will put more food into storage than use for energy. just cut back on your meals, my rule of thumb is eat half of what you normally eat and put the rest away for the next meal.
Get fatter? :eek:

Then.. less food it is.

IT's true you know!
Yeah i know that guy, he wouldn't lie.

Personally, running doesn't appeal to me.

If it weren't for my daily "exercise" on my bike to get my anywhere, I'd have to seriously cut down on snacks and chocolate. And sugary drinks, for that matter. :(

If the next pool were around the corner I sure as hell would pick up swimming again. Keeps you in shape, I'm telling you! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/shark.gif

I love running! I didn't use to, back in the good old days of Physical Education, when the teacher forced us to do laps. Now that I'm in charge of my own fitness routine, I see it in a new light. No longer something that I have to do, but something that I can do. Plus, it's way more convenient than other forms of exercise. I'm techinically suppossed to swim as part of my singing training, but I live too far from the pool (not to mention I failed aquaquest 2). But, to each, his/her own.

Yeah i know that guy, he wouldn't lie.
Yeah, I was in a book clubwith him once, he ate the book we were reading. i think it was warand peace.

i was going to do that but people here convinced me not to. lots of reasons why it doesn't work, apparently.

shame cos nothing > salad :p
:p

Honestly I'm very happy that I'm 5'11 and weigh 73kg. I wouldn't want to be too much more than that..

At 6'1" and between 200 and 205 pounds, I'm overweight, but not unhealthy. I take walks whenever I can, but with summer temperatures of over 100F (I think that's close to 40 Celcius) I haven't been walking much lately. I still use the stairs instead of the elevator at work.

I'll admit I liked it better when I was skinny (I weighed 130 when I got out of highschool), but I think I'm still fit for a guy my age (45).

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.

I don't starve myself, I eat as much as I like, whenever I like, sometimes to the point of discomfort. Exercise for me consists of getting up to bend a biscuit.

I'm 5'11" and 154lbs. Suck it fat ass. :D

I'm 5'10" and 128 lbs...

I'm fat but I'm not loving it like some sort of resteraunt. I'm not searching for a diet or waiting for the magic skinny pill. I know that I am the reason I'm fat and I accept that. It doesn't keep me from my work or hinder my life. I'm not obese.

I'm 6"ft tall and 145.2 pounds, and barely considered underweight
I enjoy working out, especially lifting weights and running a mile every day and eating whatever I want. I don't like many veggies, but I used to really like them when I was younger, I don't know what happened? Anyway I'm only almost 17, so I might get a little bigger, but not much more

i am medium buile, not fat, and not skinny. of course i have a couple of pounds i can afford to lose

What's wrong with being 5'4"? I'm 5'4" - barely. :(

Yeah! Short power! *high five*

i'm just out of shape rather than fat. although i could probably lose a bit off my belly, but that'd mean stopping drinking beer and i'm not about to do that any time soon. i'd rather do exercise. and i'm definitely 'fattist', in that i discriminate negatively against fat people because they are fat.

I a) don't know how to respond and b) don't know what to choose on the poll.


[wanders out of the thread.]

I'd never want to be 6'4 and 135 lbs again, but 200lbs would be nice again. :)

I'm going to guess 5 foot 4 and 109 pounds. I dislike processed things and I prefer fruit/vegi's to unhealthy stuff so...

I'm 1.63m and I honestly have no idea how much I weigh. I don't really care either.
I'm fat, and it's obvious. But to tell you the truth, I like it. I'd been trying for years to loose weight, to get a "normal" figure, in the hope that that would somehow make me accepted, that I would "fit in", that i would no longer get nasty remarks from family and strangers.

Until I realised that that was completely pointless. Why should I try to please people who are simply looking for a way to insult and hurt me? Why would I want to fit in with a crowd that demands I change myself before they are willing to accept me? I'm better than that. WAY better than that.
I don't need to be accepted to feel good about myself, it works exactly the other way around. Once I felt good about myself, I was more readily accepted.

And I do feel good about myself. I like the way my body feels, I like the softness. Not only on myself, I also really like that in my partner(s) :)

I'm eating healthy, I'm fit enough for a 4 hour walk any day, I'm in no pain or discomfort at all, and overall I'm healthier than a couple of my skinny friends (no, not all of them, but what's the point in trying to be the healthiest one in the bunch? Stupid competition. I'd rather be the happiest one).
I'm trying to loose a bit of weight at the moment by changing my diet to make sure I eat only salad for dinner at least 4 days a week (right now, it's between 2 and 3 days a week), but that's mainly to drop one clothes size and have more choice when going clothes shopping.

Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE! Show it through the poll!I'm 6' and a bit less than 150 lbs...

Now, I do not want to sound terribly un-Anglosaxon, but I have no idea how much a lbs is. As far as I know, a foot is about 30 cm, right? And a stone is like, uhm, 6 kgs?

So could anybody shed some light on how much a lbs is? (and where the hell you got that abbreviation from... "hmmm, how shall we abbreviate pounds? Let us draw some random letters from the alphabet! And let's do the same for ounces!")

I am, like, 1.85m and about 85 kgs, which is too much for me. But how much is that in your funny measurements?

:confused:

huh?
i eat more than my brother who is a college runner and i dont do hardly anything and yet iam still skinny and quite happy
So was I, pal. How old are you?

Right about 26-28, your metabolism steps on the brakes like it's just had the enitre population of Adorable Puppy and Kitty Island cross in front of it. Enjoy the hopped-up metabolism while you can, and I'd recommend getting some sort of exercise habit started now. 'Cause when you'll NEED to, it's an order of magnitude harder to start and maintain. I don't mind my slowed-metabolism Buddha belly, but I'd like it to be smaller (I'm 6' even/181cm, 220/99kg).

I started hiking because treadmills bore the hell out of me, and I started yoga, because the classes are 96% female. Thinkin'.

Also, I like me some curves on a woman. With femininity, it's not weight, it's proportion. If one thing is grossly out of proportion, say, an ass that doubles as a shelf, that's unattractive to me. I howl like a cartoon wolf for a 200-lb. woman if everything's in the right place. Matchsticks do not interest me.

Fat and not loving it.

You're proud of the fact that you'll die young and can't walk up stairs without getting out of breath, plus the fact than anyone who has ever sat next to you on an airline hates you?
1) That's scary
2) That's a PITA
3) Never rode on a plane

If it wasn't for the first two and other health-related effects, I'd have no problem with being rather large (although not so large as I am now).

Large size is intimidating, and that definitely has its uses--Honda Civics don't tend to argue with Mack Trucks. Also it mitigates the effects of the weather. Falls don't hurt much either, as long as I supress the instinct to stick my hands down. And once out of high school, other people aren't such shallow idiots as to make cracks about it, unless they are ultra-callous boors. So, it's definitely not all downside.

Unfortunately though, the health negatives are real and those who think they'll never happen are likely in for a shock around age 30-35. Someone mentioned knee and back pain--it's an accurate statement! There's a big difference between just not being arsed to move, and having it be very hard to move!

I started going to the gym last year, and it took about 3 months of swimming just to get all the muscles loosened back up. Then I switched to the treadmill, since I don't seem to lose any weight by swimming (although I still swim to keep my joints more flexible). The treadmill's boring, but not as sucky as the alternative.

So far I've lost about 25 pounds. I could lose it faster, I suppose, but I don't think any sudden lifestyle change would stick.

My mother has repeatedly that she'd kill herself if she ever got fat, and my overweight brother is constantly berated by my parents for his weight, so its easy to see why I'm fucking glad I'm not fat and why I have a natural aversion to fat people.

My mother has repeatedly that she'd kill herself if she ever got fat, and my overweight brother is constantly berated by my parents for his weight, so its easy to see why I'm fucking glad I'm not fat and why I have a natural aversion to fat people.

:eek: I now have a very strong natural aversion to your parents...

My mother has repeatedly that she'd kill herself if she ever got fat, and my overweight brother is constantly berated by my parents for his weight, so its easy to see why I'm fucking glad I'm not fat and why I have a natural aversion to fat people.
I wouldn't have thought that was really a valid reason. There are better reasons to stay in shape than "Other people don't like fatness". I get berated by road users all the time for the fact that I cycle to work; that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Similarly, people get shouted down for their religious views, their sexual preference and their educational background, but that doesn't make them bad in themselves.

I myself am not fat, and I personally would not like to go back to being how I was before, a fat chubby kid. We have an obesity epidemic, and a lot of people are living poor lifestyles, so thats the obvious reason why I see fat as a problem.

But if you're fat and proud of it, good for you, you're more confident than I am.

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.
...not all 'skinny' people starve themselves! And not all 'skinny' people judge other people on their weight and appearance and how they choose to live their lives! :)

I quite enjoy being athletic and the feel of being like a coiled spring and stuff. Wobbling down the street and up the stairs with joint ache and shortness of breath? No thanks.

Originally Posted by Neo Undelia
My mother has repeatedly that she'd kill herself if she ever got fat, and my overweight brother is constantly berated by my parents for his weight, so its easy to see why I'm fucking glad I'm not fat and why I have a natural aversion to fat people. :eek: I now have a very strong natural aversion to your parents...I share this aversion. How shallow of them!

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.


Or we *could* be thinking - there goes someone who can't eat anything they want without gaining weight like me! There's someone who should learn to ENJOY exercise, instead of letting their current physical state train them into thinking it's painful and unfun! There's someone who may or may not be happy because NEWSFLASH - weight is not the be all and end all of happiness.

And I'll never be jealous of a fat person. I love my body just the way it is, even if I do have to struggle to stay out of the underweight cateogry sometimes (and NO, I do not starve myself. Ever heard of a 'metabolism'? If you think that I starve myself just because I'm 5'6" and weigh 50-55kg, you've obviously never seen me wolf down McDonald's chips or pizza...)

Alright, fair play. I suppose I should've put in a happy with being skinny option... but I didn't think about it; I mean, look at the benefits! You don't get cold as easy, you die of starvation slower.... Anyone?

You are at a greater risk for heart conditions, you overheat more easily (and have worse temperature regulation) - at risk for higher blood pressure (connected with temperature regulations puts you at a higher risk for fainting).

And don't forget the obvious - if surrounded by starving skinny people, you'll be the one to be eaten first ;)

How many bicyclists do you know with bad knees? Or runners with bad knees and backs? I've even known a few to die of heart attacks as a direct result of their physical activity.... I'd rather die eating tasty things than running around a lot.

The difference, of course, being that a bicyclist can at any point say "That's it, my knees hurt too much. No more cycling for me!" whereas a fat person can't exactly renounce walking.

Same with heart attacks - if you find out you're at risk because of your activity level, it's a simple matter to reduce the amount of exercise you do. if you find out that you're at risk due to your weight, it's MUCH harder to reduce those risks quickly and safely (since most quick-loss diets will send the body into starvation shock and can actually INCREASE the risk of heart attacks and strokes...)

I'd rather die eating tasty things AND running around a lot. Both are great fun. But then, I am teh biased, since I am one of those accursed eat-whatever-whenever people (and sudden reverses in metabolism don't run in my family - both my mother and father have retained their fast metabolisms well into their 40s ^.^)

Fergi America']I share this aversion. How shallow of them!

I wouldn't call it shallow. Parents giving out to their kid because of his body shape is immature and mean. They should know better.

But then again, his mother saying that she'd kill herself if she gained weight just proves that they obviously ARE immature and not very bright.

I wouldn't have thought that was really a valid reason. There are better reasons to stay in shape than "Other people don't like fatness". I get berated by road users all the time for the fact that I cycle to work; that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Similarly, people get shouted down for their religious views, their sexual preference and their educational background, but that doesn't make them bad in themselves.
It's not that I'm worried about what they think at all, it's that I'm around people who don't coddle the overweight just because it's become acceptable.
I wouldn't call it shallow. Parents giving out to their kid because of his body shape is immature and mean. They should know better.Hey, his doctor was on his case too.
But then again, his mother saying that she'd kill herself if she gained weight just proves that they obviously ARE immature and not very bright.Those are my parents you're talking about. Both of them are exceptionally intelligent people, I assure you.

Hey, his doctor was on his case too.
Those are my parents you're talking about. Both of them are exceptionally intelligent people, I assure you.

There IS a difference between talking to someone about health risks, but quite another to constantly berate one's own child.
Maybe it's not an issue of intelligence, then, but insensitivity.

I'm 6' and a bit less than 150 lbs...

yea, that's pretty much like me, actually it's almost exactly like me

:eek: I now have a very strong natural aversion to your parents...

I hope his mom gets fat. Let's see if she is serious or just neurotic.

I hope his mom gets fat. Let's see if she is serious or just neurotic.

*lol
Neurotic, I guess. If she was serious, she would probably have forced her son to undergo surgery by now

Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE! Show it through the poll!
Shit yeah!
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6'2" and 86kg(Thats like 190lbs or something...)

6'2" and 86kg(Thats like 190lbs or something...)
Damn.. You're quite big.

Damn.. You're quite big.
Yep, yep yep.;)

By making this thread I am going to assume you are insecure and wish to be accepted but its just an assumption
I assume this is a +1 post?

Shit yeah!
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6'2" and 86kg(Thats like 190lbs or something...)

yummy :D

:)

There IS a difference between talking to someone about health risks, but quite another to constantly berate one's own child.
Maybe it's not an issue of intelligence, then, but insensitivity.
I'll agree that they're insensitive, except when it comes to animals in which case my mother can be overly sympathetic, but I'm glad of that. It's helped me become the person I am.:)
*lol
Neurotic, I guess. If she was serious, she would probably have forced her son to undergo surgery by nowShe loathes the surgury. Sees it as the quiters way out.

On the subject of obesity, I do find it quite fascinating the Western World has a bigger problem with overeating than starvation. Ah, consumerism, go t to love it.

On the subject of obesity, I do find it quite fascinating the Western World has a bigger problem with overeating than starvation. Ah, consumerism, go t to love it.

Nothing astonishing about that, really. Our metabolisms are designed to cope well with low food supplies, it's what saw humans through long periods of starvation in the past. Evolution can't keep up with the sudden change that happened in the past 3 or 4 decades, when there was suddenly more food available than we could ever eat, and the need to physically work for it became almost nonexistant.

In a way, I guess we are witnessing another step in evolution : People who are incapable of dealing with the new situation face reduced chances to reproduce and an early death, leaving those who have faster metabolisms and a greater natural urge to exercise to have more offspring and longer lives.
I assume the problem will have solved itself largely in a few generations.

In a way, I guess we are witnessing another step in evolution : People who are incapable of dealing with the new situation face reduced chances to reproduce and an early death, leaving those who have faster metabolisms and a greater natural urge to exercise to have more offspring and longer lives.
I assume the problem will have solved itself largely in a few generations.
Or not. Plenty of fat people have kids, and their kids are fat, not just because of genetics, but because they learn their parents' slothful, gluttonous ways. Not everything is genetic.

Or not. Plenty of fat people have kids, and their kids are fat, not just because of genetics, but because they learn their parents' slothful, gluttonous ways. Not everything is genetic.

Considering how the health angels on this forum (and your brother's doctor, too) go on about how obesity increases the risks of serious health problems, you can safely assume that the kids themselves won't live very long, either. ;)

I didn't say they had no kids at all, I said the chances are smaller. The chances of finding a partner are smaller (believe me, they are), and the chances of having a pregnancy without complications if you're seriously overweight are small, too.

It's not necessarily genetic, but as you said they pick up bad habits from their parents. So if you have less fat parents, there will be less kids picking up bad habits, right?

I'm not exactly fat, and I'm six foot anyway.

I'm 5'7 ish

I consider myself to be fat, but I've thought that since I was 13.

Some days it bothers me, some days it doesnt

*shrug*

why can't you uys use the metric system.

why can't you uys use the metric system.
Because we pwn.

I have an insanely high metabolism, so I like to laud it over fat people! :D

My mother has repeatedly that she'd kill herself if she ever got fat, and my overweight brother is constantly berated by my parents for his weight, so its easy to see why I'm fucking glad I'm not fat and why I have a natural aversion to fat people.


...or you just have horrible parents.

Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE! Show it through the poll!


I've 5ft 3' and not 90 Lbs....I wish I was thou, well no actually thats a bit too thin for me, but I wouldn't mind losing a stone or 2!

On the subject of obesity, I do find it quite fascinating the Western World has a bigger problem with overeating than starvation. Ah, consumerism, go t to love it.

I remember when I went home on leave from Iraq I was kinda shocked by this. I'd been in Iraq for about 8 months, and I was used to seeing either fit soldiers or skinny (most Iraqi men were 5'5 or 5'6 and 110-120lbs) Iraqis. We were snowed in at Baltimore so my flight to Detroit was delayed until the next day, so a few other soldiers and I went out to eat. We went to an "all you can eat" buffet style place, and we were disgusted at the absolutely huge people putting equally huge piles of food on their plates. Sometimes they'd go up for seconds. It's amazing how many Iraqis will never see a meal like that, but Americans take it for granted, and sometimes even think they somehow need that much.

Anyway, to whoever it was that said they think skinny people hate fat people and are jealous, I think you've got a bit of a persecution complex. I'm not fat (6'3 about 185lbs), but I don't hate fat people.

My sister is 5'4 and 270lbs, and I just feel sorry for her. She's developed arthritis in her knees and ankles, as well as sleep apnea. All at the grand old age of 24. She's changed her eating habits, she's given up pop, and she walks every day, but she's having a lot of trouble dropping the weight. She can't afford the surgery that reduces your stomach size.

She's always been the sort that looks at a cake and gains 20lbs, while I eat the entire cake and don't gain an ounce. Between us it's largely genetics (I actually gained weight in basic training), and to an extent some people are just built large.

However a lot of people are unhealthily big, and this is due to poor diets and lack of exercise. Accepting people that are built large is perfectly fine, because that's just how they are. However, when someone is obese to the point where it's not healthy, they need to seek help.

Nope...I'm 6'2", 165 lbs (starting to push 170...finally) with a final goal of 200 lbs. I work out 3x a week, and eat constantly. It is the joy of working out and having a high metabolism. You can eat all you want, and only gain muscle mass.

Would never want to be fat. I enjoy being active...going for a run or swim...skiing, snowboarding. All much more fun than sitting around doing nothing but eating or watching TV and such.

Nope...I'm 6'2", 165 lbs (starting to push 170...finally) with a final goal of 200 lbs. I work out 3x a week, and eat constantly. It is the joy of working out and having a high metabolism. You can eat all you want, and only gain muscle mass.

Would never want to be fat. I enjoy being active...going for a run or swim...skiing, snowboarding. All much more fun than sitting around doing nothing but eating or watching TV and such.

Why do people keep assuming that being overweight automatically means being inactive?
I have you know that I regularly go swimming, walk a lot and love to bike.

Meh, I'm 5'10 and about 145 pounds. I'm happy.

Why would I want to be fat, unnatractive, and unhealthy?

And if I just sat around all day(boooooring....) and at all sorts of corn syrup and whatnot(icky!) why would that make me happy?

I'm 5'9" and 9st 7lb. Now, that would be great if I didn't have a penis, but as it is it's pretty fucking shabby. On the other hand, it's a great improvement from when I started university - I was only 8st back then :eek:

I eat fuck loads, I exercise almost every day to some extent, yet the only way I can put on weight is to drink a fuckload of beer. On the other hand, I've managed to build my chest and my stomach's flat now, but none of it matters when my arms are like two limp noodles dangling from my sleeves. :(

I'm 5'9" and 9st 7lb.

Well here, we can swap. You can be 5'10" and 11st 4lb, and I'll be 5'9" and 9st 7lb.

I'm not big, average really, but I wouldn't mind being a bit lighter.

Well here, we can swap. You can be 5'10" and 11st 4lb, and I'll be 5'9" and 9st 7lb.

I'm not big, average really, but I wouldn't mind being a bit lighter.
I'd quite like to be your height and weight. Not only would I no longer be a complete short arse, I'd also have a bit of weight to me for the first time since I was a baby.

EDIT: 6500 posts. Milestone? I'd like to think so. ¬_¬

I'd quite like to be your height and weight. Not only would I no longer be a complete short arse, I'd also have a bit of weight to me for the first time since I was a baby.

5'9" isn't short, you know. Only an inch shorter than me. I think your weight would be pretty good...

EDIT: 6500 posts. Milestone? I'd like to think so. ¬_¬

Well done :)

Nope...I'm 6'2", 165 lbs (starting to push 170...finally) with a final goal of 200 lbs. I work out 3x a week, and eat constantly. It is the joy of working out and having a high metabolism. You can eat all you want, and only gain muscle mass.

Would never want to be fat. I enjoy being active...going for a run or swim...skiing, snowboarding. All much more fun than sitting around doing nothing but eating or watching TV and such.
i think i've reached my 'peak' in how fat i'll allow myself to get. as of now i'm going to try and get more active and do lots of swimming... yay. (this comes after a day of eating nothing but junk food, going out (in the car) to buy more junk food and chocolate, and sitting on my ass working with the computer and then watching tv all night while gorging pizza.... not good :()

5'9" isn't short, you know. Only an inch shorter than me. I think your weight would be pretty good...
5'9" might be average now, but it's still short to me. All my male friends are 6' plus, it's very annoying. Plus, with my weight and height it puts my bmi at
19.8. Although it's technically normal, it's right on the lower end of normal.
Well done :)
Woo!

5'9" might be average now, but it's still short to me. All my male friends are 6' plus, it's very annoying. Plus, with my weight and height it puts my bmi at
19.8. Although it's technically normal, it's right on the lower end of normal.

Woo!

You have tall friends...

I'm 5'11, 165lbs. I'm glad I'm not fat because I can see my penis, and I can run two miles in 13 minutes, which means promotion points for me on PT scores in Army.


EDIT: Oh yea, body fat percentage is 2%. I think its actually lower than healthy. ROFL



smoke weed every day

Anybody else happy that they're not 5'4" and weigh 90 pounds? FAT PRIDE PEOPLE! Show it through the poll!

The doctor says I'm fat... but my body is differently proportioned... I put fat anyway though :)

Why do people keep assuming that being overweight automatically means being inactive?
I have you know that I regularly go swimming, walk a lot and love to bike.
Not so much assuming that being overweigh means you are inactive. More that if I stopped being so active I would end up overweight as my metabolism would crash

i think i've reached my 'peak' in how fat i'll allow myself to get. as of now i'm going to try and get more active and do lots of swimming... yay. (this comes after a day of eating nothing but junk food, going out (in the car) to buy more junk food and chocolate, and sitting on my ass working with the computer and then watching tv all night while gorging pizza.... not good :()
mreh...everyone has their junk food days...nothing worth beating yourself up over.

Getting active (and staying active) is, at least as far as my experience, the hardest part. Results are slow to appear, and even slower to be really noticable, and so it gets hard to keep going. But stick to it. If nothing else, you have a good hobby.

Not so much assuming that being overweigh means you are inactive. More that if I stopped being so active I would end up overweight as my metabolism would crash
It didn't happen to me dude. I was inactive for virtually 2 years and I only gained half a stone. Then I went to uni, started drinking and put on almost 2 stone in 6 months. I was fairly active then, too.

mreh...everyone has their junk food days...nothing worth beating yourself up over.

Getting active (and staying active) is, at least as far as my experience, the hardest part. Results are slow to appear, and even slower to be really noticable, and so it gets hard to keep going. But stick to it. If nothing else, you have a good hobby.
well the thing is i used to be very much active every day. used to do 2 hours of swimming training at 5am, 3 times a week before school (and then 2 days after school too), as well as kayaking, sailing, general activeness... but then got in a car accident and after recovering from that capcised (sp?) my boat next to a sewage-works and got very ill... and have never recovered from that sudden active --> entirely not-active change. put on loads of weight very fast and its never come off :-S (and i have tried to get it off)

i think a long term view of just being healthy rather than trying to 'lose-weight-fast!' would probably be best, and more sustainable :)

well the thing is i used to be very much active every day. used to do 2 hours of swimming training at 5am, 3 times a week before school (and then 2 days after school too), as well as kayaking, sailing, general activeness... but then got in a car accident and after recovering from that capcised (sp?) my boat next to a sewage-works and got very ill... and have never recovered from that sudden active --> entirely not-active change. put on loads of weight very fast and its never come off :-S (and i have tried to get it off)

i think a long term view of just being healthy rather than trying to 'lose-weight-fast!' would probably be best, and more sustainable :)
Turn it all into muscle, become a bearded beefcake. :eek:

TO THE FREEWEIGHTS!

Turn it all into muscle, become a bearded beefcake. :eek:

TO THE FREEWEIGHTS!
untoned muscle is so hard to tone-up/lose! :(

though it has always meant i was stronger than pretty much anyone else i knew (even fitness-mad jujitsu blackbelt crazyfriend of mine, heh. it'd always annoy him when he'd try to do some silly grapple on me and i'd just break it/throw him off and tell him to fuck off :p)

Damn skippy! Skinny people hate all sorts, especially fat people. They say to themselves: there's someone who doesn't starve themselves! There's someone who doesn't work themselves to death running around on the track all day long! There's someone who is happy! That makes the skinny person jealous... and they start hating their life.
You know, there is a middle ground between the couch potato and the fanatical athlete.

Being fat is unhealthy and burdensome on other people.

It didn't happen to me dude. I was inactive for virtually 2 years and I only gained half a stone. Then I went to uni, started drinking and put on almost 2 stone in 6 months. I was fairly active then, too.
its not something that I'm terribly concerned about right now, as my metabolism is constantly higher than normal...but more down the road in a few decades

i think a long term view of just being healthy rather than trying to 'lose-weight-fast!' would probably be best, and more sustainable
Definatly. Losing weight fast rarely happens, and when it does, it doesn't stay off.

Also helps to not look at the weight itself...if you're being active and building muscle, then you won't shed pounds, but you'll have less fat and be more healty (muscle weighs more than fat)

You know, there is a middle ground between the couch potato and the fanatical athlete.
Yeah. Normal people. Just because I'm in shape doesn't mean I have to work at it every day. I did that in basic training.

You know, there is a middle ground between the couch potato and the fanatical athlete.
the speed/heroin addict?

Skinny, without the work!

its not something that I'm terribly concerned about right now, as my metabolism is constantly higher than normal...but more down the road in a few decades


Definatly. Losing weight fast rarely happens, and when it does, it doesn't stay off.

Also helps to not look at the weight itself...if you're being active and building muscle, then you won't shed pounds, but you'll have less fat and be more healty (muscle weighs more than fat)
Actually, running will help you shed weight quickly, as long as you stay hydrated. There was a guy in basic with me who lost 90lbs. in 9 weeks, and suffered no ill effects.

Exercise can have amazing benefits, but its almost impossible to stick to the schedule you need.

the speed/heroin addict?

Skinny, without the work!
:eek: Don't tempt me! :p

Actually, running will help you shed weight quickly, as long as you stay hydrated. There was a guy in basic with me who lost 90lbs. in 9 weeks, and suffered no ill effects.

Exercise can have amazing benefits, but its almost impossible to stick to the schedule you need.
true...but again, you will be gaining muscle mass, so the drop in weight will seem less impressive (IE, you'll drop from 180 to 175 instead of when you starve yourself and drop from 180 to 165), but the results will be much better

It didn't happen to me dude. I was inactive for virtually 2 years and I only gained half a stone. Then I went to uni, started drinking and put on almost 2 stone in 6 months. I was fairly active then, too.

Yeah, that's what happened to me. A bit differnt though; started Uni 2 years ago, drinking and all that, didn't really put on any weight for the first year...then in the last year I've put on about 2 stone as well.

I wouldn't call it shallow. Parents giving out to their kid because of his body shape is immature and mean. They should know better.

But then again, his mother saying that she'd kill herself if she gained weight just proves that they obviously ARE immature and not very bright.
They're only looking out for his own interests. Being fat is less healthy. That's a fact.

Though I agree that "I'd kill myself if I was fat" is stupid.

I'm 5'11, 165lbs. I'm glad I'm not fat because I can see my penis, and I can run two miles in 13 minutes, which means promotion points for me on PT scores in Army

smoke weed every day
Congrats, better than most stoners!

It didn't happen to me dude. I was inactive for virtually 2 years and I only gained half a stone. Then I went to uni, started drinking and put on almost 2 stone in 6 months. I was fairly active then, too.
Heh, most people I know put on at least a bit of weight when they started uni. The infamous freshman 15. For me it was more like the freshman 20, mostly as a result of not being on a swim team anymore, and having access to lots of junk food. I was still happy at that weight, but lost it all (and then some) when I started exercising again. Now I get grumpy if I don't do at least a little exercise every day.

true...but again, you will be gaining muscle mass, so the drop in weight will seem less impressive (IE, you'll drop from 180 to 175 instead of when you starve yourself and drop from 180 to 165), but the results will be much better
I did specify he lost 90lbs? Trying to turn all that muscle into fat is counter-productive. That's why football players have so many health problems after they quit playing. As soon as you slack off you'll turn into a blob again, and have heart problems etc. I said cardio, which will actually shed pounds. Weightlifting is best used for toning, but first you have to lose weight. Same thing real wrestlers do (not WWE), shed weight, then tone.

I did specify he lost 90lbs? Trying to turn all that muscle into fat is counter-productive. That's why football players have so many health problems after they quit playing. As soon as you slack off you'll turn into a blob again, and have heart problems etc. I said cardio, which will actually shed pounds. Weightlifting is best used for toning, but first you have to lose weight. Same thing real wrestlers do (not WWE), shed weight, then tone.
Muscle never "turns into" fat, and fat never "turns into" muscle. They are two completely independent cells. Doing any physical activity will build muscle. You could lift your leg, and it will build muscle.

Former football players have health problems for a number of reasons...high on that list would be halting extreme physical activity. Your metabolism relies on how much activity you do. Your eating habits evolve to fit that metabolism. Suddenly, your metabolism shuts down, but your eating habits stay the same. And there you have weight gain.
Yes, cardio will make you shed pounds. But as soon as you stop, you will gain again. If you maintain a constant level of activity your entire life, you will gain weight. Your metabolism naturally decreases over time. In order to lose weight, you must increase activity. To keep that weight off, you must gradually increase activity or intensity.

All physical actions will build muscle. Look a a guitar players forearm on their playing arm vs. non-playing arm.

the speed/heroin addict?

Skinny, without the work!


Been there, done that (not the heroin). It's an easy way to lose weight because you just don't eat. Then there's the massive mental damage... I'd rather just be fat.

Muscle never "turns into" fat, and fat never "turns into" muscle. They are two completely independent cells. Doing any physical activity will build muscle. You could lift your leg, and it will build muscle.
All physical actions will build muscle. Look a a guitar players forearm on their playing arm vs. non-playing arm.


Tell you what. I don't think this is worth arguing over, so feel free to ignore everything I said. The fact that I might just know a little bit about fitness is irrelevant, and you of course are infallible. Christ, is there a pedant in every thread?

Heh, most people I know put on at least a bit of weight when they started uni. The infamous freshman 15. For me it was more like the freshman 20, mostly as a result of not being on a swim team anymore, and having access to lots of junk food. I was still happy at that weight, but lost it all (and then some) when I started exercising again. Now I get grumpy if I don't do at least a little exercise every day.
Ooh, swimmer's figure.... 0.o :p

Tell you what. I don't think this is worth arguing over, so feel free to ignore everything I said. The fact that I might just know a little bit about fitness is irrelevant, and you of course are infallible. Christ, is there a pedant in every thread?
And the fact that I might also know something about fitness is irrelevant?

Pot, kettle, black.

edit again: no need to edit, already responded to.

And the fact that I might also know something about fitness is irrelevant?

Pot, kettle, black.
I, however, didn't pick apart anything you said.

You see, I am quite well aware that muscle tissue, if not stimulated, will quickly deteriorate, especially if genetics lean towards said deterioration. I am also aware that this muscle tissue will be replaced in equal parts by fat tissue, which weighs less. Thus, I used the term "turn into". Obviously, you had to debate even the use of that term.

Second, you denied a first-hand example I used twice, the first time by ignoring the weight loss amount, and the second time by pondering football player's eating habits. However, with decreased physical activity, there is also less need for sustanance, as is demonstrated in mine and your own lives. I ate 3 or 4 times more in basic training than I normally do. That didn't necessarily continue when I got out. However, you seem to believe in your absolutes, wrong as they are.

Now, once you get into shape, it is far easier to remain in shape than it was to lose weight. Thus, running as little as 5 miles a week can be enough to keep weight loss at the level you desire, and less exercise than that will do depending on your genetic lean. But you, again, decided not to acknowledge that, and made it seem you must always keep the same physical activity level you used to get to the weight level you desired, which is incorrect.

All physical action will not build muscle. It WILL tone muscle. Building muscle is accomplished by doing small numbers of reps with heavy weight. Guitar players have large forearms because they place unusual amounts of stress upon their forarms. I have large forearms from doing specific lifts to target that area.

You're metabolism decreases as a product of age. The solution is to eat less. You don't have to exercise more. Rocky Nelson, a 79 year old man I go to church with, is former Military Police, and still possesses extremely good tone, although he has lost definition.

So, if you want to debate the issue, then fine.

I, however, didn't pick apart anything you said.

You see, I am quite well aware that muscle tissue, if not stimulated, will quickly deteriorate, especially if genetics lean towards said deterioration. I am also aware that this muscle tissue will be replaced in equal parts by fat tissue, which weighs less. Thus, I used the term "turn into". Obviously, you had to debate even the use of that term.the reason I debate that term is because muscle will never turn into fat. There is no direct correlation between fat cells and muscle cells. They do not replace each other. Fat cells store excess energy. Muscle cells burn energy. Increase muscle cells, and you burn more energy, thereby reducing the size of the fat cells (research shows that you will never, however, reduce the actual number of fat cells). I could lose all of my muscle because I stop being active. As long as I adjust my eating habits to suit my new energy needs, I will not gain any fat.

The basic process of all of this reduces to the Krebs cycle. This cycle is how your body powers itself, and it will burn just about any fuel you can throw at it, generally in this order of preference: Carbs, sugars, fats, protein. This cycle, combined with a few other less important cycles, determines your base metabolism, or how much energy you use when at rest. While you are active (including weight training, cardio, etc). You increase your energy needs. If you eat enough to replace this increased energy need, you won't burn stored fat. If you don't eat enough, you will burn stored fat. If the activity you are doing creates microtears in your muscle, this will be repaired and the damaged cells will be replaced with larger and/or more muscle cells. These will, in turn, increase your base metabolism rate. As such, you either need to increase how much you eat, or your body will fuel itself off fat reserves.
Lipid/fat cells (http://www.city.ac.uk/optometry/Biolabs/ConnectiveTissue_2006/15-adipose.JPG) store energy and are wholly independent from muscle cells (http://www.faqs.org/health/images/uchr_01_img0109.jpg).
You could work out every day, running 10 miles a day. And you could stay fat if you ate enough to replace the ammount of energy you burned and the increased need of new muscle.

Second, you denied a first-hand example I used twice, the first time by ignoring the weight loss amount, and the second time by pondering football player's eating habits. However, with decreased physical activity, there is also less need for sustanance, as is demonstrated in mine and your own lives. I ate 3 or 4 times more in basic training than I normally do. That didn't necessarily continue when I got out. However, you seem to believe in your absolutes, wrong as they are.firstly, I didn't ignore. Sorry I didn't specifically mention them, but I was actually agreeing with you that running will help shed weight relatively quickly, however, the results will not appear, at face value, to be as "impressive" as someone who turns to anorexia. My point was that lbs isn't the most important thing to consider.
And I am not adherant to absolutes. My point is that IF you continued to eat that that level without sustaining the same level of physical activity, you WOULD gain fat.

Now, once you get into shape, it is far easier to remain in shape than it was to lose weight. Thus, running as little as 5 miles a week can be enough to keep weight loss at the level you desire, and less exercise than that will do depending on your genetic lean. But you, again, decided not to acknowledge that, and made it seem you must always keep the same physical activity level you used to get to the weight level you desired, which is incorrect.That is debatable, and depends on more than just your exercise program. Additionally, your metabolism does slow down with age, and so a slow, but steady increase of activity is needed. Note all the 30-40 year olds who develop beer bellies without significant lifestyle changes.

You're metabolism decreases as a product of age. The solution is to eat less. You don't have to exercise more. Rocky Nelson, a 79 year old man I go to church with, is former Military Police, and still possesses extremely good tone, although he has lost definition.You could eat less, or you could do more. It has the same exact result...either you burn more fuel, or you put less in. You don't have to exercise more, but the fact is, most people become very set in an eating habit, which is generally difficult to break.

1. the reason I debate that term is because muscle will never turn into fat. There is no direct correlation between fat cells and muscle cells. They do not replace each other. Fat cells store excess energy. Muscle cells burn energy. Increase muscle cells, and you burn more energy, thereby reducing the size of the fat cells (research shows that you will never, however, reduce the actual number of fat cells). I could lose all of my muscle because I stop being active. As long as I adjust my eating habits to suit my new energy needs, I will not gain any fat.

2. The basic process of all of this reduces to the Krebs cycle. This cycle is how your body powers itself, and it will burn just about any fuel you can throw at it, generally in this order of preference: Carbs, sugars, fats, protein. This cycle, combined with a few other less important cycles, determines your base metabolism, or how much energy you use when at rest. While you are active (including weight training, cardio, etc). You increase your energy needs. If you eat enough to replace this increased energy need, you won't burn stored fat. If you don't eat enough, you will burn stored fat. If the activity you are doing creates microtears in your muscle, this will be repaired and the damaged cells will be replaced with larger and/or more muscle cells. These will, in turn, increase your base metabolism rate. As such, you either need to increase how much you eat, or your body will fuel itself off fat reserves.
Lipid/fat cells (http://www.city.ac.uk/optometry/Biolabs/ConnectiveTissue_2006/15-adipose.JPG) store energy and are wholly independent from muscle cells (http://www.faqs.org/health/images/uchr_01_img0109.jpg).
You could work out every day, running 10 miles a day. And you could stay fat if you ate enough to replace the ammount of energy you burned and the increased need of new muscle.

3. firstly, I didn't ignore. Sorry I didn't specifically mention them, but I was actually agreeing with you that running will help shed weight relatively quickly, however, the results will not appear, at face value, to be as "impressive" as someone who turns to anorexia. My point was that lbs isn't the most important thing to consider.
And I am not adherant to absolutes. My point is that IF you continued to eat that that level without sustaining the same level of physical activity, you WOULD gain fat.

4. That is debatable, and depends on more than just your exercise program. Additionally, your metabolism does slow down with age, and so a slow, but steady increase of activity is needed. Note all the 30-40 year olds who develop beer bellies without significant lifestyle changes.

5. You could eat less, or you could do more. It has the same exact result...either you burn more fuel, or you put less in. You don't have to exercise more, but the fact is, most people become very set in an eating habit, which is generally difficult to break.
1. Body fat ratios change in proportion to muscle density, however, which is what I am referring to. That is why we don't use weight as an indicator. Muscle density changes your lean to fat ratio. Thus, they are independent, but still interrelated.

2. All you stated there was that if you eat enough, exercise won't help. However, if this is the case then your problem isn't with your level of physical fitness. You have an eating problem, which is a wholly seperate matter.

3. Here, then, we agree. I didn't realize that you were referring to intake levels, that's all.

4. Actually, many of those 30-40 year olds that grow beer guts are still physically fit. That's what I meant by tone. Just because it doesn't look as good doesn't mean it ain't working proper. You can tell that by watching and service member (use National Guard to see more with beer guts) take a PT test. If they maintain the same workout, they will continue to perform at that level, but they won't look as fit. Appearances can be deceiving.

5. If the problem is an eating habit, then exercise shouldn't be the first step. They need to change their eaing habits, plain ans simple. Good living doesn't exist without good eating habits. Junk food is junk food whether an athlete eats it or a couch potato.


Basically, we agree it seems, you were just focusing on eating habits.

1. Body fat ratios change in proportion to muscle density, however, which is what I am referring to. That is why we don't use weight as an indicator. Muscle density changes your lean to fat ratio. Thus, they are independent, but still interrelated.Okay. Now it makes sense.

2. All you stated there was that if you eat enough, exercise won't help. However, if this is the case then your problem isn't with your level of physical fitness. You have an eating problem, which is a wholly seperate matter.To some extent yes. To some extent, no. Depends on too much to go into for right now.

3. Here, then, we agree. I didn't realize that you were referring to intake levels, that's all.rockin

4. Actually, many of those 30-40 year olds that grow beer guts are still physically fit. That's what I meant by tone. Just because it doesn't look as good doesn't mean it ain't working proper. You can tell that by watching and service member (use National Guard to see more with beer guts) take a PT test. If they maintain the same workout, they will continue to perform at that level, but they won't look as fit. Appearances can be deceiving.Thats actually something that I was going to get at and forgot to...in that being fat doesn't mean no muscle...but we seem to agree

5. If the problem is an eating habit, then exercise shouldn't be the first step. They need to change their eaing habits, plain ans simple. Good living doesn't exist without good eating habits. Junk food is junk food whether an athlete eats it or a couch potato.thats kinda the point I was going for in parts of this...it isn't just exercise, it is diet too


Basically, we agree it seems, you were just focusing on eating habits.I thought that we agreed...haha...I got really confused when you started to question me, and then you said the fat into muscle thing, which I've seen too many people think actually happens, and had to go into that.


So basically, the last two pages were us arguing the same thing. Awesome.:fluffle:

They're only looking out for his own interests. Being fat is less healthy. That's a fact.

Though I agree that "I'd kill myself if I was fat" is stupid.


"Looking after" someone with his/her best interests at heart never involves verbal abuse. And that's what it sounds like to me, to be honest.

Been there, done that. My parents did the same to me. To my mother, I was the worst disappointment in her life because I wasn't slim and beautiful like her, and she would tell me so on a regular basis. My father would make it clear that he didn't want to be seen with me in public....

Do you think any of that actually helped me with the problems I had? Or even just with the problem of overeating?

Wellah ...

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