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CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Al-Qaida's No. 2 leader issued a worldwide call Thursday for Muslims to rise up in a holy war against Israel and join the fighting in Lebanon and Gaza until Islam reigns from "Spain to Iraq."

In the message broadcast by Al-Jazeera television, Ayman al-Zawahri, second in command to Osama bin Laden, said that al-Qaida now views "all the world as a battlefield open in front of us."

The Egyptian-born physician said that the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah and Palestinian militants would not be ended with "cease-fires or agreements."

"It is a jihad (holy war) for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails ... from Spain to Iraq," al-Zawahri said. "We will attack everywhere." Spain was controlled by Arab Muslims for more than seven centuries until they were driven from power in 1492.

He said Arab regimes were accomplices to Israel. "My fellow Muslims, it is obvious that Arab and Islamic governments are not only impotent but also complicit ... and you are alone on the battlefield. Rely on God and fight your enemies ... make yourselves martyrs."

He also called for the "downtrodden" throughout the world, not just Muslims, to join the battle against "tyrannical Western civilization and its leader, America."

"Stand with Muslims in confronting this unprecedented oppression and tyranny. Stand with us as we stand with you against this injustice that was forbidden by God in his book (the Quran)," al-Zawahri said.

Kamal Habib, a former member of Egypt's Islamic Jihad militant group who was jailed from 1981 to 1991 along with al-Zawahri, said the al-Qaida No. 2's outreach to Shiites and non-Muslims was unprecedented and reflected a major change in tactics.

"This is a transformation in the vision of al-Qaida and its struggle with the United States. It is now trying to unite Sunni Muslims, Shiite Muslims and calling for non-Muslims to join the fight," he said.

Al-Zawahri wore a gray robe and white turban in the video. A picture of the burning World Trade Center was on the wall behind him along with photos of two other militants. One appeared to be a bearded Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian ringleader of the Sept. 11 attacks. The other was Mohammed Atef, also known as Abu Hafs al-Masri, a former top lieutenant of bin Laden who was killed in a U.S. airstrike in Afghanistan in November 2001.

The Arab satellite station did not transmit the entire tape, using instead selected quotes interspersed with commentary from an anchor.

An Al-Jazeera official speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to reporters said the full tape was about eight minutes long. The satellite channel aired only about half the message. It would not say how it received the tape.

"The shells and rockets ripping apart Muslim bodies in Gaza and Lebanon are not only Israeli (weapons), but are supplied by all the countries of the crusader coalition. Therefore, every participant in the crime will pay the price," al-Zawahri said.

"We cannot just watch these shells as they burn our brothers in Gaza and Lebanon and stand by idly, humiliated," he added.

The message was al-Zawahri's 10th this year. Bin Laden has issued five messages in a particularly active year of messages from the top al-Qaida leadership.

Al-Zawahri last appeared in a video posted on an Islamic Web site on the first anniversary of the train bombings in London. In the July 7 tape, he said two of the four suicide bombers in London had spent time in an al-Qaida training camp, preparing themselves for a suicide mission.

The two top al-Qaida leaders also paid tribute in June to the slain leader of their Iraq network, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in separate recordings. Many of their messages this year have dealt with current events in Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia.

Another new audio or video message from bin Laden had also expected in the past week on the fighting in Gaza and Lebanon, according to IntelCenter, a U.S.-based independent group that provides counterterrorism information to the U.S. government and media. However, no messages have appeared on Islamic Web sites to announce the release.

Al-Zawahri said Muslims everywhere must rise up to attack "crusaders and Zionists" and support jihad "until American troops are chased from Afghanistan and Iraq, paralyzed and impotent ... having paid the price for aggression against Muslims and support for Israel."

Israel began an offensive on Gaza days after Palestinian militants captured an Israeli soldier on June 25. It opened a second front in Lebanon after Hezbollah guerillas killed eight Israeli soldiers and captured two others on July 12.

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This is a different change of tactics, firstly they've just declared war on muslim nations, and now they're asking even non muslim groups to join in in fighting the west. This isn't very reassuring.

In other words, the US government is trying to rally support for full-fledged destruction and most likely genocide in the middle east.

Grrrrrreat!

Meh, it's all talk.

This appars to be either one of two things. Either:


A) They're getting so desperate they're needing everyone they can get to try and turn the tide, or


B) They're so confident of victory that, in their arrogance, they're calling everyone in for one last killing spree.

I'm hoping for A, but B seems like an option...

So what else is new?

This appars to be either one of two things. Either:


A) They're getting so desperate they're needing everyone they can get to try and turn the tide, or


B) They're so confident of victory that, in their arrogance, they're calling everyone in for one last killing spree.

I'm hoping for A, but B seems like an option...
I wouldn't worry. Even if every muslim in the world decided to fight us, they couldn't win. What could they do against nuclear weapons?

I wouldn't worry. Even if every muslim in the world decided to fight us, they couldn't win. What could they do against nuclear weapons?
Use Pakestian's nukes?

I swear, they have a stock speech that they just modify to accomodate any changes but keep repeating the same basic mantra. I guess they're firm believers in the "if we repeat it often enough, it becomes true" idea.

:eek: GASP! Al-Qaeda wants to destroy us!

*crawls under the bed*

...ooh....dust bunny...

What non muslims would join Al Quaeda anyway?
Jews? No
Hindus? No
Christians? No
Atheists? No

I swear, they have a stock speech that they just modify to accomodate any changes but keep repeating the same basic mantra. I guess they're firm believers in the "if we repeat it often enough, it becomes true" idea.

Thats good poltics, repetition is key. Its obvious they have taken Poly Sci 101.

He's probably calling the islamic governments impotent not because they aren't muslim enough, but because they haven't declared open war on everybody al quaeda doesn't like...

well, if they ever come banging at my door, all I have to do is pull out the qu'ran I got at the saudi embassy and say I'm with them... Then promptly move very very far away...

Interesting they're allying with other groups though, that might change the balance of power a bit... Anybody remember that kid who flew a 12-passenger plane into a building shortly after 9/11? I think that's what they're talking about..

Use Pakestian's nukes?
I don't know how developed Pakistan's nuclear deterrent is, but I doubt they have the delivery systems to reach the west. And I should think it would be possible to cripple their nuclear systems with a massive preemptive strike. Though I'm not really 100% sure, I can't see Pakistan being as strong as the USSR was. Besides, if the entire islamic world was fighting us, what else could we do but hit them with the most devestating force?

Thats good poltics, repetition is key. Its obvious they have taken Poly Sci 101.

That's true. Sometimes, I think Al-Qaeda is more interested in the politics than actual jihad. They make a few speeches, throw some grunts at the occasional embassy, monument, or civil war and then relax in luxury at their villas in Saudi Arabia or Iran for a few years.

When cash or manpower gets low, they repeat the process but they have no intention of actually doing anything dramatic...that would cut in to the cash they get from the Saudi or Iranian governments.

Thats good poltics, repetition is key. Its obvious they have taken Poly Sci 101.

'See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.' ~ GW Bush

... maybe they're all reading from the same crappy poli sci book? Or maybe, by some twist of hilarious fate, they all use the same political strategist?

This appars to be either one of two things. Either:


A) They're getting so desperate they're needing everyone they can get to try and turn the tide, or


B) They're so confident of victory that, in their arrogance, they're calling everyone in for one last killing spree.

I'm hoping for A, but B seems like an option...

The fact that they are calling for non-Muslims to join them sounds like they are desperate. Also, I wonder which non-Muslims would be folly enough to join them, because in the (unlikely) case of a victory, all the remaining non-Muslims would be fair game. Ditto for shiite muslims, btw (look on what's happening in Iraq).

Well honestly, this sounds to me just like silly war propaganda... :rolleyes:

'See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.' ~ GW Bush

... maybe they're all reading from the same crappy poli sci book? Or maybe, by some twist of hilarious fate, they all use the same political strategist?

Wow Karl Rove works for them too, boy he gets around ;)

I wouldn't worry. Even if every muslim in the world decided to fight us, they couldn't win. What could they do against nuclear weapons?

Umm... not all stand right next to each other at the same time?

The fact that they are calling for non-Muslims to join them sounds like they are desperate. Also, I wonder which non-Muslims would be folly enough to join them, because in the (unlikely) case of a victory, all the remaining non-Muslims would be fair game. Ditto for shiite muslims, btw (look on what's happening in Iraq).

It's kind of hard to drum up support for your cause amongst non-Muslims when the reward for serving Al-Qaeda is the death or forced conversion of everyone who isn't Muslim.

It's kind of hard to drum up support for your cause amongst non-Muslims when the reward for serving Al-Qaeda is the death or forced conversion of everyone who isn't Muslim.

Exactly, that's why this sounds so absolutely ridiculous.

Exactly, that's why this sounds so absolutely ridiculous.

At the end of the US Civil War the South planned to arm its slaves to fight against the Union in a last-ditch attempt at stopping the collapse of the Confederacy.

That's why a call for non-Muslims to join them seems more like desparation than confidence.

Umm... not all stand right next to each other at the same time?
Firstly, if you hit them quick enough they wouldn't have the chance to move. Secondly, how would they fight us then when the entire military capabilities of the muslim world have been destroyed? They'd be the muslim immigrants in the west who could fight, but they could be quickly eliminated. The ones left alive in muslim lands would be too weak to be a threat, their countries would be in ruins.

Wow Karl Rove works for them too, boy he gets around ;)

Or they both work for Karl Rove.... duh dah dunnn

In other words, the US government is trying to rally support for full-fledged destruction and most likely genocide in the middle east.

Grrrrrreat!
In other words, you're saying that al-Zawahiri is really an agent of some neocon conspiracy... riiiight....

Meh, it's all talk.
Too bad. We could use some chlorine in the global gene pool. Plus, imagine the benefits of reducing the world's population by about 1.5 billion.

Too bad. We could use some chlorine in the global gene pool. Plus, imagine the benefits of reducing the world's population by about 1.5 billion.
Hey, when I advocate that, they call me a genocidal maniac...

What non muslims would join Al Quaeda anyway?
Jews? No
Hindus? No
Christians? No
Atheists? No
Probably those damn wiccans.

Hey, when I advocate that, they call me a genocidal maniac...
Yeah, but they think I'm kidding. See if you set up your wacko statements with a bunch of ridiculous wacko statements you can get away with saying almost anything.

Freemasons run the country's courts. Saying the masonic word tubalcaine will force judges to rule in your favor.

See?

Probably those damn wiccans.

How about Scientology? After all that stuff going on with Tom Cruise, I think that they'd have a shared agenda...

(NOTE: Hey, good to see you're still around! Do you still remember me?)

Well, I'm in the US Army, and all I can say is this: Let 'em come. I sincerely hope that the whole Middle East decides to go to war against the west. Finally, they'll quit tying our troops hands and let us do our jobs the way we're meant to, which does of course mean wiping out everyone who is stupid enough to be holding a gun when we come. I mean, 2 months, tops, and it would be over, and the Middle East would be pacified. Hell, Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world, and we chewed through that in 2 weeks. The occupations are what hurt us. If we could just go on the offensive, we wouldn't have so many problems.

In other words, you're saying that al-Zawahiri is really an agent of some neocon conspiracy... riiiight....
LOL
I was hoping no one would respond to that idiot, but since you did, at least you made it funny.

Well, I'm in the US Army, and all I can say is this: Let 'em come. I sincerely hope that the whole Middle East decides to go to war against the west. Finally, they'll quit tying our troops hands and let us do our jobs the way we're meant to, which does of course mean wiping out everyone who is stupid enough to be holding a gun when we come. I mean, 2 months, tops, and it would be over, and the Middle East would be pacified. Hell, Iraq had the 4th largest army in the world, and we chewed through that in 2 weeks. The occupations are what hurt us. If we could just go on the offensive, we wouldn't have so many problems.

It scares me how keen some people are to go out and start killing others.

What non muslims would join Al Quaeda anyway?
Jews? No
Hindus? No
Christians? No
Atheists? NoDeranged people who'd love to die in a fiery blast and take a bunch of people out with them, and are just looking for an excuse to do it? Yes

No matter what the proposal, there is always some idiot who'll do it.

How about Scientology? After all that stuff going on with Tom Cruise, I think that they'd have a shared agenda...

(NOTE: Hey, good to see you're still around! Do you still remember me?)
Yeah, sure do. You've been gone for quite some time now, haven't you?

He also called for the "downtrodden" throughout the world, not just Muslims, to join the battle against "tyrannical Western civilization and its leader, America."

"Stand with Muslims in confronting this unprecedented oppression and tyranny. Stand with us as we stand with you against this injustice that was forbidden by God in his book (the Quran)," al-Zawahri said.
Fuck these warmongers. We don't need no more trouble.

No more trouble, no more trouble.

I find it amusing that Al-Qaeda can't even translate "jihad" properly.

Firstly, if you hit them quick enough they wouldn't have the chance to move. Secondly, how would they fight us then when the entire military capabilities of the muslim world have been destroyed? They'd be the muslim immigrants in the west who could fight, but they could be quickly eliminated. The ones left alive in muslim lands would be too weak to be a threat, their countries would be in ruins.

Since when do the Islamic countries themselves directly contribute to the Islamist 'Jihad'? Since never, that's when. Destroying the Islamic World is going to have no effect on the Terrorists stationed outside of that region - if anything, it will just make them angrier, and make their cause more palpatable. Hell, if the US instigated Nuclear Genocide on that level I'd go firebomb my local Consulate.

I don't know how developed Pakistan's nuclear deterrent is, but I doubt they have the delivery systems to reach the west. And I should think it would be possible to cripple their nuclear systems with a massive preemptive strike. Though I'm not really 100% sure, I can't see Pakistan being as strong as the USSR was. Besides, if the entire islamic world was fighting us, what else could we do but hit them with the most devestating force?
Infest their water supplies with genetically engineer pathogens that teach their immune systems to attack their own nerve fibers? Bah on hydrogen weapons.

Since when do the Islamic countries themselves directly contribute to the Islamist 'Jihad'? Since never, that's when. Destroying the Islamic World is going to have no effect on the Terrorists stationed outside of that region - if anything, it will just make them angrier, and make their cause more palpatable. Hell, if the US instigated Nuclear Genocide on that level I'd go firebomb my local Consulate.
I know, which is why I'm only talking in "What ifs". I'm only talking if, like al Quaeda wants, every last muslim rose up to fight the west. Then they'd all be legitimate targets.

Infest their water supplies with genetically engineer pathogens that teach their immune systems to attack their own nerve fibers? Bah on hydrogen weapons.
It would be cheaper to just start vaccinating people in the US and it's allies "in case of a terrorist smallpox weapon" then just release smallpox again from a small apartment in Pakistan liberally sprinkled with jihadi propaganda and crude biological weapons manufacturing equipment. The death toll should be pretty high.

It would be cheaper to just start vaccinating people in the US and it's allies "in case of a terrorist smallpox weapon" then just release smallpox again from a small apartment in Pakistan liberally sprinkled with jihadi propaganda and crude biological weapons manufacturing equipment. The death toll should be pretty high.

I don't think we can just NBC attack our way out of this. For one thing how do we know that one of those Americans we Vaccinated isn't a closet terrorist? Besides Vaccines sometimes fail.

I don't think we can just NBC attack our way out of this. For one thing how do we know that one of those Americans we Vaccinated isn't a closet terrorist? Besides Vaccines sometimes fail.
You don't think that anything posted in this thread is worth taking seriously, do you? Including the OP.

I don't think we can just NBC attack our way out of this. For one thing how do we know that one of those Americans we Vaccinated isn't a closet terrorist? Besides Vaccines sometimes fail.
Well it wouldn't be a strategy for destroying all of them, just for getting rid of the vast bulk. The remainder you police up at your lesiure. Oh, and a few friendly casualties are a small price to pay if you're really hell-bent on committing massive genocide.

I'm not advocating doing that, of course. It's just that I think that would be the most effective way of committing such a genocide.

You don't think that anything posted in this thread is worth taking seriously, do you? Including the OP.
No matter how illogical an idea is, you can always point out a few more logic holes.

Crazy Example.

We sic the Flying Spagatti monster on them.

But how would we know that they wouldn't just eat it.