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The memory of the Holocaust is fuelling a debate in Germany over involvement in a Lebanon peace force, even before practical steps are taken to create one.

Why is this an issue? I have to admit that the problem didn't even occur to me until it was spelt out:

It is possible that a peace enforcer would have to fire at an Israeli...with the "burden of history" looming large.

No German soldier should, even theoretically, "be brought into a situation where he has to aim his weapon at an Israeli", it added.

Der Standard said it was "unthinkable" that the grandchildren of Holocaust perpetrators might find themselves shooting at the grandchildren of victims.

This does raise an interesting question about the relationship between history and the present; the history of a nation is a powerful force over people who had nothing to do with such events. It is not uncommon on these forums to see people blamed for Empire/slavery/oppression of [insert group here] simply because of their nationality; as if I, personally, am somehow responsible for the casulties of the Irish Civil War or the Indian Mutiny. And yet, at the same time, it is easy to see why memories of atrocities transcend the generations.

So should German troops go to Israel? And, looking at the wider issue, should descendants be held responsible for the actions of their relatives?

Stephan Kramer thinks German soldiers will never be able to approach the borders of Israel.

"Even if it's the great-great-grandchildren, I cannot imagine it," he says.

"Around the world, almost everywhere, but not when there is a chance of confrontation with an Israeli soldier."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5217438.stm

Send troops if they want. They make it sound like it's already the German troops' faults for any casualties; if they went as peace troops, it would be the fault of the Israelis.

German troops should go.

To serve and protect Israel.

German troops should go.

To serve and protect Israel.

Seems to me that Isreal is set to invade Lebanon.
It would seem as though Lebanon needs the protecting.

How exactly do you distinguish a Hezbollah supporter, from one that claims to support the Lebanese government, once the shooting begins?

Its the same problem we have in Iraq.
We dont know who is, and who is NOT with the enemy.
You cant see someones political alliances just by looking at them, and ultimately you cant prove thier lying to you, when they say theyre on your side, can you?

Seems to me that Isreal is set to invade Lebanon.
It would seem as though Lebanon needs the protecting.

How exactly do you distinguish a Hezbollah supporter, from one that claims to support the Lebanese government, once the shooting begins?

Its the same problem we have in Iraq.
We dont know who is, and who is NOT with the enemy.
You cant see someones political alliances just by looking at them, and ultimately you cant prove thier lying to you, when they say theyre on your side, can you?

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1307/1399/1600/DSC01463.jpg

What I really want to know, is in what kind of scenario could German troops be called upon to fire at Isrealis, at all, since they would be sent to secure the Lebanon/Isreali border?

They would be there to support Isreal, not fight them.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1307/1399/1600/DSC01463.jpg


and a broken link means......what?

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1307/1399/1600/DSC01463.jpg
I get an 'access denied' screen.

German troops should go.

To serve and protect Israel.

I think the discussion was about German troops defending Lebanon...

I'm in two minds about that. On the one hand, I would appreciate my home country taking an active part in trying to stabilise the region.
On the other hand, I stand behind the imperative that "no war shall ever be started by Germany again". This is no defense situation for Germany, so I can't honestly justify German troops being sent to the region.
Then again, as part of the peace corps, they can be regarded as international troops first and German second....

What I really want to know, is in what kind of scenario could German troops be called upon to fire at Isrealis, at all, since they would be sent to secure the Lebanon/Isreali border?

They would be there to support Isreal, not fight them.

They would be there as a neutral party to make and keep peace. If they're attacked by either party, they can defend themselves.

I get an 'access denied' screen.


Sorry. It works fine for me.

Hmmm... *thinks hard*

Let me try a hosting-account.

( It shows a bunch of women in chadors with banners saying:
We are all hizbollah - and similar things. )

The picture was taken at an anti-war rally by muslims in Britain.

They would be there as a neutral party to make and keep peace. If they're attacked by either party, they can defend themselves.


What?

Were talking about Isreal set to invade Lebanon, to rid it of the Hezbollah terrorist leaders, and occupying it again, until Lebabon can build up enough troops to patrol its own streets for crazy fanatics who build bombs.

Exactly the same thing thats happening in Iraq.

Why on earth would a Neutral Third party have troops there, if not to support one side or another?

Why on earth would a Neutral Third party have troops there, if not to support one side or another?

To break it up, duh.

The third picture.

What a bunch of fucking freaks. Commies too.

The UK needs Norsefire. </nerd>

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428488,00.html

It is a touchy subject, yes.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428488,00.html

It is a touchy subject, yes.

Everything is touchy in Germany. Guys get halfway through shaving, are just about to shave out the middle, then they get stormed and arrested by GSG 9 for being Neo-Nazis.

To break it up, duh.


So Germany..would confront Isreal, a staunch ally of the US, Britian, Austrailia, and every other western civilization on the globe?

Does that make sense to you?

NO ONE is going to be there as any kind of neutral party.

You dont send an armed "peacekeeping" force, to hold off an invasion, particularly, not the most well-trained, and equipped military force in the Middle East.

The only thing Germany would do in Isreal, is reinforce the Isreali border, or light combat missions.

The only thing Germany would do in Isreal, is reinforce the Isreali border, or light combat missions.

Peacekeepers avoid entering combat, or go on offensive, whenever possible.

Peacekeepers avoid entering combat, or go on offensive, whenever possible.


Yes...thats nice.

But remember..we arent talking about Germany being a "peacekeeping" force.

They are going there in support of Isreal.

Everything is touchy in Germany. Guys get halfway through shaving, are just about to shave out the middle, then they get stormed and arrested by GSG 9 for being Neo-Nazis.
If you want to make this a debate about the BND trying to wipe out organised neo-nazi parties, go ahead. But you better know exactly what you are talking about.

Peacekeepers avoid entering combat, or go on offensive, whenever possible.
I have my doubts whether this could possibly be a normal peacekeeping mission. Too many eyes on it, too many of the more "advanced" military nations.

This is a good little piece.
http://jetzt.sueddeutsche.de/texte/anzeigen/325928
Das stärkste Argument für eine deutsche Beteiligung ist zweifellos, dass das Existenzrecht Israels eine Frage der deutschen Staatsräson ist. Aber kann das wirklich heißen, dass die Deutschen dieses Existenzrecht notfalls auch mit Waffengewalt verteidigen müssen?
...
Man dürfe nicht immer nur an die deutsche Schuld denken, sondern auch an die Verpflichtung, die sich daraus ergebe, argumentieren die Befürworter eines deutschen Einsatzes. Wohl wahr. Gerade Deutsche können nicht so tun, als ginge Israel sie nichts an. Schon heute gibt es eine intensive militärische Zusammenarbeit mit Israel, bis hin zur Lieferung modernster U-Boote. Auch die logistische Unterstützung einer Friedenstruppe wäre denkbar. Mit der Entsendung von Kampftruppen nach Nahost aber wäre eine rote Linie überschritten.

Yes...thats nice.

But remember..we arent talking about Germany being a "peacekeeping" force.

They are going there in support of Isreal.


Splendid!

Auferstanden aus Ruinen und dem Zukunft zugewand

Yes...thats nice.

But remember..we arent talking about Germany being a "peacekeeping" force.

They are going there in support of Isreal.

I'm pretty sure the words "peace enforcer" were used.

Splendid!

Auferstanden aus Ruinen und dem Zukunft zugewand

Why the misspelled national anthem of East Germany?

Auferstanden aus Ruinen und dem Zukunft zugewand
"Der", not "dem". ;)

The issue is, aside from possible problems with some Israeli voices not wanting German soldiers on their borders as well as the fact that the Bundeswehr is already deployed in many places around the world, that even though Hezbollah would be the main enemy, an international force is not going to go there to continue what Israel is doing right now.

If Hezbollah attacks, the peacekeepers fight Hezbollah. But if Israel tries to attack back...you end up with a situation you don't want to put a German soldier in (although the problem is more political, if ordered they'd probably shoot on almost anyone...).

I'm pretty sure the words "peace enforcer" were used.


Im sorry, Im trying to not get mean.

Do you honestly think Germany is going into Isreal, with armed troops, as a neutral party?

If you were the leader of a country, would YOU let a "neutral" armed military force into your country, knowing they may shoot at you, if you attempt to invade your neighbor?

Jesus, does that make sense to you?

Im sorry, Im trying to not get mean.

Do you honestly think Germany is going into Isreal, with armed troops, as a neutral party?

If you were the leader of a country, would YOU let a "neutral" armed military force into your country, knowing they may shoot at you, if you attempt to invade your neighbor?

Jesus, does that make sense to you?

Why would they go to Israel? They'd go to Lebanon.

Seems to me that Isreal is set to invade Lebanon.
It would seem as though Lebanon needs the protecting.

How exactly do you distinguish a Hezbollah supporter, from one that claims to support the Lebanese government, once the shooting begins?

Its the same problem we have in Iraq.
We dont know who is, and who is NOT with the enemy.
You cant see someones political alliances just by looking at them, and ultimately you cant prove thier lying to you, when they say theyre on your side, can you?
I would much rather live in Israel then Lebanon. 'Nuff said.

Why would they go to Israel? They'd go to Lebanon.


Becuase they would be first deployed in Isreal, as I said, to secure, and maintain the border.
THEN, perhaps into Lebanon.

Thats how invasions work.
You build up your forces along the border for a while, like Isreal has been doing lately, and then go for broke.

Why the misspelled national anthem of East Germany?

I wanted to go with Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit first, but I felt that Ruinen was good enough as well to indicate my support of german troops in defense of Israel. For such an act would be just and good.

Doesn't Ruinen work on the music-score of Deutschlandlied as well?

As for misspelling: NEVER EVER give the bablefish-lot an unstacked deck.

Becuase they would be first deployed in Isreal, as I said, to secure, and maintain the border.
THEN, perhaps into Lebanon.

Thats how invasions work.
You build up your forces along the border for a while, like Isreal has been doing lately, and then go for broke.

They're not invading. They're PEACEKEEPERS.

Splendid!

Auferstanden aus Ruinen und dem Zukunft zugewand

Are you even German?

Are you even German?

No. I'm not German, and I am not Aryan, and I have no blue eyes or blond hair. Gotta problem with that?

They're not invading. They're PEACEKEEPERS.


They are there to support ISREAL.

ISREAL is set to invade Lebanon.

What part of that dont you get?

They are there to support ISREAL.

ISREAL is set to invade Lebanon.

What part of that dont you get?

And why would Germany want to help Israel invade Lebanon?

They're not invading. They're PEACEKEEPERS.
They're an "International Stabilisation Force" meant to "enforce a ceasefire".

They won't work like normal UN peacekeeping missions, partly because of the international focus on the area, partly because no Western nation would make their soldiers subject to the sort of ridiculous rules of engagement a unit like UNIFIL has.

Have you never wondered why Western nations aren't keen on sending their troops on dirty little peacekeeping missions anymore? Ask Roméo Dallaire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_Dallaire).

I wanted to go with Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit first, but I felt that Ruinen was good enough as well to indicate my support of german troops in defense of Israel. For such an act would be just and good.

Doesn't Ruinen work on the music-score of Deutschlandlied as well?

Yeah, it does. You know, you could have used Ueber Alles...

No. I'm not German, and I am not Aryan, and I have no blue eyes or blond hair. Gotta problem with that?

Of course I do. The pattern and nature of your iridal pigmentation is a reflection of your worth, everyone knows that.

They are there to support ISREAL.

ISREAL is set to invade Lebanon.

What part of that dont you get?

The German news talk about a peace keeping mission, which in essence would go against both Israel and Lebanon.
The aim would be to stopIsrael from further hostile actions against Lebanon, and stop Hezbolla from hostile actions against Israel.

They're an "International Stabilisation Force" meant to "enforce a ceasefire".

They won't work like normal UN peacekeeping missions, partly because of the international focus on the area, partly because no Western nation would make their soldiers subject to the sort of ridiculous rules of engagement a unit like UNIFIL has.

Have you never wondered why Western nations aren't keen on sending their troops on dirty little peacekeeping missions anymore? Ask Roméo Dallaire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_Dallaire).

I'm pretty sure they relaxed their guidelines since then. They're more agressive. UNIFIL still operates under the older rules, stupidly.

Haiti is an example of less peace keeping and more peace enforcing.(I think its Haiti) The Brazilian troops stationed there have apparently fired more rounds than most of the combined UN missions before!

I still don't see NATO troops being successful in Lebanon.

And why would Germany want to help Israel invade Lebanon?


Good question.

Oil, and security in the Middle East.

Supporting Isreal means supporting the most heavily armed and trained military in the region.
This means that in the event of a full-scale war between Iran, and Isreal, you support the guy who can win, and is also your friend.

Every western country needs oil.
Its the same reason why the US has blindly supported Isreal throughout this entire thing, and will always continue to do so.

Iraq was unstable, and a rogue state, and its continued oil supply was in doubt, under the former government.
Now...the US is up to its asshole, trying to control it.

Isreal is a powerful ally in that region in case of an inevitable conflict.

The German news talk about a peace keeping mission, which in essence would go against both Israel and Lebanon.
The aim would be to stopIsrael from further hostile actions against Lebanon, and stop Hezbolla from hostile actions against Israel.


But we all know that neither side is going to be deterred from retailiating against the other.
Isreal isnt going to "just stop it, and play nice."

So..placing friendly peacekeeping troops there is pointless, isnt it?
There soon wont be any peace to keep.

So..whats Germanys role?

Maintaining the Isreali border.

Of course I do. The pattern and nature of your iridal pigmentation is a reflection of your worth, everyone knows that.


Says the Swede with red hair....

Maintaining the Isreali border.
Which is also the Lebanese border.

But we all know that neither side is going to be deterred from retailiating against the other.
Isreal isnt going to "just stop it, and play nice."

So..placing friendly peacekeeping troops there is pointless, isnt it?
There soon wont be any peace to keep.

So..whats Germanys role?

Maintaining the Isreali border.

Against both sides.

Seems to me that Isreal is set to invade Lebanon.
It would seem as though Lebanon needs the protecting.

How exactly do you distinguish a Hezbollah supporter, from one that claims to support the Lebanese government, once the shooting begins?

Its the same problem we have in Iraq.
We dont know who is, and who is NOT with the enemy.
You cant see someones political alliances just by looking at them, and ultimately you cant prove thier lying to you, when they say theyre on your side, can you?

Problem with that is Hezbollah does support the lebanon government just the Hezbollah are fanatics.

Iraq is a impossible task we should just leave we cant fix it and we never will the mueslim fanatics love havin there little pathetic Jihad even if it doesn cost the lives of thosands.

Says the Swede with red hair....

I am not a redhead.

So..lets presume that Isreal isnt going to be deterred by German forces, who would probably not be comfortable with the idea of firing upon Isrealis.
More importantly, the German government isnt going to like the outrage it would deal with if that happened.

It IS going to happen.

Isreal IS going to invade, and occupy parts of Lebanon, and attempt to destroy Hizbollah, just like the US is trying to do with AL-Qeada.

I think it will most defineatly be Germany assisting Isreal, with quelling resistance along the border, from the opposition.

I am not a redhead.


I could have sworn you posted a picture of yourself in one of the "what do you look like:" threads.

You were holding a camera...?

Am I confusing you with someone else...?

I am not a redhead.

You aren't? Darn it. *erases*

I think it will most defineatly be Germany assisting Isreal, with quelling resistance along the border, from the opposition.
Nope. The most likely of all possibilities is that Germany won't send any troops at all. So far the debate is only in the media, started by one throw-away comment of some politician. The official line is so far that they'll worry about it once the time comes.

They're not going to send troops. It doesn't make sense politically, militarily and economically.

So..lets presume that Isreal isnt going to be deterred by German forces, who would probably not be comfortable with the idea of firing upon Isrealis.
More importantly, the German government isnt going to like the outrage it would deal with if that happened.

It IS going to happen.

Isreal IS going to invade, and occupy parts of Lebanon, and attempt to destroy Hizbollah, just like the US is trying to do with AL-Qeada.

I think it will most defineatly be Germany assisting Isreal, with quelling resistance along the border, from the opposition.

That's just the kind of scenario I wouldn't wish Germany to participate in.

I could have sworn you posted a picture of yourself in one of the "what do you look like:" threads.

You were holding a camera...?

Am I confusing you with someone else...?

I have never posted a picture of myself on this forum, or any other forum for that matter, as Baguetten or as Fass.

Nope. The most likely of all possibilities is that Germany won't send any troops at all. So far the debate is only in the media, started by one throw-away comment of some politician. The official line is so far that they'll worry about it once the time comes.

They're not going to send troops. It doesn't make sense politically, militarily and economically.


Thats kinda what I was thinking.

I just dont see why getting involved in that sticky mess would be seriously considered.
Perhaps I was assuming the decision was already made.
Either way, it would be frankly stupid for them to potentially be drawn into a conflict against Isreal, and not with them.

I have never posted a picture of myself on this forum, or any other forum for that matter, as Baguetten or as Fass.


Dang.

I must have you confused for another poster...

Hmm...

*wonders how many gay Swedes we have on this forum*....

I think israel has no right to invade lebanon. But i am also against any terroristic attack on isreal, equal if from hisbollah, islamic jiahd,hams or sb else. I support the idea of a massive international unit to enforce a cease of fire at once.
I may have prejudies, because i am german (before you ask: im brown haired and green-eyed ;) ), but I think isreal has no right to massacre innocent, harmless civilians. I also like the idea of sending in german troops. And, by the way, nobody in germany had the idea to support israel, but encourage peace.

if you are interested, you are invited to join our discussion about the war at the anarchian freeland's forum:
http://68017.rapidforum.com/topic=100374643621

That's just the kind of scenario I wouldn't wish Germany to participate in.
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428711,00.html

Yep. It's a nightmare already, and it won't be getting any better. The further away a country can keep its kids from there, the better.

Everything is touchy in Germany. Guys get halfway through shaving, are just about to shave out the middle, then they get stormed and arrested by GSG 9 for being Neo-Nazis.I've witnessed a shaving orgy in a hotel room in Munich and nothing of the sort happened. And you know how Bavaria is with its police force...

Anyway:

I don't think Germany shoud participate in sending troops to the potential buffer zone. Dogmatic reasoning pretty much weighs evenly (burden of the holocaust vs. duty to Israel). What tips the scales in favor of not going is the fact that the Bundeswehr is rather overextended with operations in Afghanistan, off the coast of Somalia, in Kosovo, and the Congo. Furthermore, Afghanistan is pretty much the only situation Germany has been in where it has had casualties. There has been no real fighting yet, and it may be disastrous to give the Bundeswehr such a baptism of fire in such a politically volatile region.

To serve and protect Israel.

That's the job of Israeli police and the IDF. NOT Germany. Peacekeepers aren't there to serve any nation they're in.

Yeah, it does. You know, you could have used Ueber Alles...

Yeah, well, if I wanted to endorse an anti-jewish theme, Horst Wessel would have been a lot better, right?
But then again, my stance is not exactly anti-jewish.

Dang. I must have you confused for another poster... Hmm... *wonders how many gay Swedes we have on this forum*....

I doubt you're even thinking of a Swedish poster. I recall a Canadian poster with curly red hair, who posts a picture of him holding a camera in those types of threads, and who goes on and on about how he'd like a boyfriend.

That's the job of Israeli police and the IDF. NOT Germany. Peacekeepers aren't there to serve any nation they're in.


To endorse, serve and protect Israel is the proper role of the global community.

And not to endorse, serve and protect Hizbollah - nor the lot that proudly proclaims : 'we're ALL Hizbollah'.

To endorse, serve and protect Israel is the proper role of the global community.

Why don't you go volunteer yourself? Israel is not the master of the world nor does it in any shape nor form deserve global servitude which you seem to think it does.

I doubt you're even thinking of a Swedish poster. I recall a Canadian poster with curly red hair, who posts a picture of him holding a camera in those types of threads, and who goes on and on about how he'd like a boyfriend.

You did have a link to your website at one point though. That had some shots of you.

To endorse, serve and protect Israel is the proper role of the global community.

And not to endorse, serve and protect Hizbollah - nor the lot that proudly proclaims : 'we're ALL Hizbollah'.

The link you provided has pictures to could get a DEAT for further down, you should probably remove it.

The third picture.

protestors are hilarious

need comic relief, just watch a protest

protestors are hilarious

need comic relief, just watch a protest

Nah, it's got Galloway. -10000 comedy points.

Sure German troops can be sent in (why are they being proposed to be sent in? They hardly are going to take over the Israeli government!). Unless they themselves have a huge problem with it. They wouldn't be shooting Israelis anyway. The problem lies with the government and the army. Rules of engagement and all that. Army personnel aren't civilians.

Sure German troops can be sent in (why are they being proposed to be sent in? They hardly are going to take over the Israeli government!). Unless they themselves have a huge problem with it. They wouldn't be shooting Israelis anyway. The problem lies with the government and the army. Rules of engagement and all that. Army personnel aren't civilians.

No, but they're Israeli nonetheless.

The third picture.
Ugh, disgusting. England needs to just kick those fools OUT! That country benefits NOTHING from Communists, Socialists and terrorist muslims.

Clean up England! Clean up England!

You did have a link to your website at one point though. That had some shots of you.

I don't have a website. If you mean http://www.fass.se, that's the Swedish Pharmaceutical Catalogue.

Why on earth would a Neutral Third party have troops there, if not to support one side or another?oxymoron.

German troops should go.

To serve and protect Israel.
That's what the IDF is for. The Germans would be there as peacekeepers, not IDF auxillaries.

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1307/1399/1600/DSC01463.jpg
I doubt all the Lebanese are wearing their "I am teh Hezbollah" t-shirts, or holding such signs.

On the other hand, I stand behind the imperative that "no war shall ever be started by Germany again". This is no defense situation for Germany, so I can't honestly justify German troops being sent to the region.
Hezbollah started this war, not Germany.

The picture was taken at an anti-war rally by muslims in Britain.
Britain =/= Lebanon.

Unless you're saying that all Muslims are fair game. Which would be insane.

I have never posted a picture of myself on this forum, or any other forum for that matter, as Baguetten or as Fass.
What prompted you to name yourself after a piece of bread?

To endorse, serve and protect Israel is the proper role of the global community.
No, peace is the goal mate, not taking orders from IDF command.

Our goal is to protect Israel insofar as the ending of violence will stop Israelis being killed.

Ugh, disgusting. England needs to just kick those fools OUT! That country benefits NOTHING from Communists, Socialists and terrorist muslims.
Socialism has a long, proud and noble tradition in England. Terrorists are not associated with the British left, and have no place in a civilised socialist society.

Why is this an issue? I have to admit that the problem didn't even occur to me until it was spelt out:



This does raise an interesting question about the relationship between history and the present; the history of a nation is a powerful force over people who had nothing to do with such events. It is not uncommon on these forums to see people blamed for Empire/slavery/oppression of [insert group here] simply because of their nationality; as if I, personally, am somehow responsible for the casulties of the Irish Civil War or the Indian Mutiny. And yet, at the same time, it is easy to see why memories of atrocities transcend the generations.

So should German troops go to Israel? And, looking at the wider issue, should descendants be held responsible for the actions of their relatives?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5217438.stm
I'm against this. For one the German army is overstretched as it is. In Afghanistan they have to buy parts of their own gear. And other then that I am of the opinion that the Israelis and their neighbours should figure it out themselves.

I think it would be agood chance to show the worls that these are new, caring Germans. I'm agaisnt any foreign force though.

I think it would be agood chance to show the worls that these are new, caring Germans.
Bullshit argument. Germany has nothing left to proof to anyone. Including Israel.

I think it would be agood chance to show the worls that these are new, caring Germans. I'm agaisnt any foreign force though.

I think it would be agood chance to show the worls that these are new, caring Germans. I'm agaisnt any foreign force though.
Bullshit argument. Germany has nothing left to proof to anyone. Including Israel.

I think it would be agood chance to show the worls that these are new, caring Germans. I'm agaisnt any foreign force though.
Do you really think that these bits are worth being repeated?

The point is that Germany doesn't have to prove anything to the rest of the world. And if they did, they're doing so much better in many other places (http://www.bmvg.de/portal/a/bmvg/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKLt4w3cjIBSYGZpub6kTAxX4_83FT9oNQ8fW_9AP2C3IhyR0dFRQDFdrJm/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfOV8yQjQ!?yw_contentURL=%2FC1256F1200608B1B%2FW264VFT2439INFOEN%2Fcontent.jsp ) around the world.

However, the internal debate about German soldiers and their relationship to Israel is certainly valid.

Am I the only one who's been seeing series of posts double up?

Am I the only one who's been seeing series of posts double up?
Yes.

Yes.

Oh, okay. *wanders off in a different direction*

Israel would never let German troops into Israel to aid them or even play a part in the ongoing conflict. They won't even let the US intervene, muchless a GERMAN army. They had a bad experiance their last encounter with Germans.

Sit back, grab some popcorn, and let Israel take out the trash.