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in front of kids.

I am (was) cleaning house, and listening to Meatloaf and I was listening to Paradise by the dashboard light.........

my 5 year old about half way through the song (about the part where the baseball announcer comes on) says "I hope they have a condom"

then later when the "do you love me?" part comes on she says "of course he would say anything at that point"

not exactly sure what to do with that. We had a long talk, at least the 3 year old is oblivious..........

I need to pick better PG CD's I guess.

I wonder if she has been processing this for a while, or maybe she just caught it today, now I am worried about the rest of my CD collection, that was an intense conversation.

so, about the point of my post, what do you think of parent imposed censorship? should parents get to choose what kids see/hear? where would you draw the line? do you think it shelters kids or does it keep 5 year olds from saying "I hope they have a condom" ?


When my husband was a youth minister we had parent's who wouldn't let their kids listen to certain CD's (Eminem ect.) but unless it was a "big name" they didn't care, for example I found a kid who wasn't allowed to watch PG-13 movies but had ICP cd's, as the "responsible adult" I talked to the kid about it and told him that I had to tell his parents, he was pissed. (but what kind of idiot shows the Sunday school teacher his ICP cd's? even if I am that cool to know who it is, like I really wouldn't tell his parents)

discuss.

Hahaha. What's your kid been looking at on the internet? :p


Anyway, it's different with every kid, you know. As long as she's not totally screwed up (mentally) by knowing about "it" early on, I really don't see what the problem is... Better early than too late, eh?

in front of kids.

I am (was) cleaning house, and listening to Meatloaf and I was listening to Paradise by the dashboard light.........

my 5 year old about half way through the song (about the part where the baseball announcer comes on) says "I hope they have a condom"

then later when the "do you love me?" part comes on she says "of course he would say anything at that point"

not exactly sure what to do with that. We had a long talk, at least the 3 year old is oblivious..........

I need to pick better PG CD's I guess.

I wonder if she has been processing this for a while, or maybe she just caught it today, now I am worried about the rest of my CD collection, that was an intense conversation.

so, about the point of my post, what do you think of parent imposed censorship? should parents get to choose what kids see/hear? where would you draw the line? do you think it shelters kids or does it keep 5 year olds from saying "I hope they have a condom" ?


When my husband was a youth minister we had parent's who wouldn't let their kids listen to certain CD's (Eminem ect.) but unless it was a "big name" they didn't care, for example I found a kid who wasn't allowed to watch PG-13 movies but had ICP cd's, as the "responsible adult" I talked to the kid about it and told him that I had to tell his parents, he was pissed. (but what kind of idiot shows the Sunday school teacher his ICP cd's? even if I am that cool to know who it is, like I really wouldn't tell his parents)

discuss.

Your 5-year-old is smart. I didn't know what a condom was till 11. But yeah, liek the guy above me said, better know now than too late.

But I think parents should censor their kids' music choices, until they are smart enough to censor it themselves. And make that god-awful rap music illegal so my sister and her friends have something better to listen too. :mad:

Hahaha. What's your kid been looking at on the internet? :p


Anyway, it's different with every kid, you know. As long as she's not totally screwed up (mentally) by knowing about "it" early on, I really don't see what the problem is... Better early than too late, eh?
she knows the basic mechanics, I started out more basic but then she says "how did the sperm get in there?" so I had to answer that question. I don't think she is screwed up too much, maybe......

At least with the 5-year old, the damage is done. If it is damage. So go on listening :)

...I have to admit, though, that I haven't the least clue what ICP is. Google suggests I can't spell ICQ.

Smunkee - your kids know far too much! And their comments make me laugh!
Seriously though it's good for kids to know wearing condoms is the resposible thing to do. I grew up listening to NWA (not that my parents knew) and watching all kinds of horror flicks (amazing what you can get hold of at school!) and it never caused any problems with me.

Maybe you should keep the rude version of Khia's my neck, my back away from them though!!!;)

sounds like you got a pretty smart kid who's able to critically evaluate what she hears. at 5 that's pretty impressive. censorship might be stifling in her case

At least with the 5-year old, the damage is done. If it is damage. So go on listening :)

...I have to admit, though, that I haven't the least clue what ICP is. Google suggests I can't spell ICQ.
I am uncomfortable linking to anything by them, but they have songs about necrophilia, serial killers, rape ect.

I hear they are supposed to be funny, but I never did quite get what was funny about it.

I did like one song by them........but I won't admit it in public.

In case anyone wants to know I switched CD's we are listening to The Rolling Stones now, that should be safe, if not I will switch to The Who, then she won't be able to make out words LOL

At least with the 5-year old, the damage is done. If it is damage. So go on listening :)

...I have to admit, though, that I haven't the least clue what ICP is. Google suggests I can't spell ICQ.

ICP= Insane Clown Posse. Gangsta rap (ish)

Wait ... is it the 1970s? Are we still worried about Meatloaf?!?

Paradise by the Dashboard Lights is insanely tame compared to, say, Tu-Pac.

However, that said, I don't censor anything with my kids. It's kinda cute hearing my 5 year old son run around the house singing, "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire. We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn. Burn mother fucker, burn".

Hasn't hurt him a bit.

sounds like you got a pretty smart kid who's able to critically evaluate what she hears. at 5 that's pretty impressive. censorship might be stifling in her case
in general what do you think though?

just random kid, do you think parents should censor or just monitor?

At least with the 5-year old, the damage is done. If it is damage. So go on listening :)

...I have to admit, though, that I haven't the least clue what ICP is. Google suggests I can't spell ICQ.
ICP = Insane Clown Posse. A really shabby excuse for "shocking" lyrics and lots of evil clown makeup. Apparently also an obsession with Faygo soda. Regardless, they suck, they'll evanesce in another year or two and be relegated to the pop culture trash-heap. And good riddance.

And the kid showing those CDs at Sunday School? Whole lotta echoes in that skull.

I think it is something that is sometimes necessary but should be done with a moderate and watchful hand. It is better to not block information but to make sure that correct information gets to your kid and sinks in.

So if that means blocking some ideas till they are mature enough for you to teach them then that may be necessary

But at some point parents sometimes go overboard sheltering your kid from everything WILL fail and will harm them.

sounds like you got a pretty smart kid who's able to critically evaluate what she hears. at 5 that's pretty impressive. censorship might be stifling in her case

I was that way when I was five (three, even...), but my dad made sure I didn't hear any "bad" stuff. Oh well.

At least I still soak up information like a sponge. :p

Maybe/it depends. When I've got kids I figure I'll probably keep them away from certain things. But I wouldn't be so strict as my parents. I'd keep things from them on a case-by-case basis. Stuff that could leave a rotten impression would be left out. Of course how would I know what would leave a rotten impression? I really can't tell you, but I'll know it when I see it.

Maybe/it depends. When I've got kids I figure I'll probably keep them away from certain things. But I wouldn't be so strict as my parents. I'd keep things from them on a case-by-case basis. Stuff that could leave a rotten impression would be left out. Of course how would I know what would leave a rotten impression? I really can't tell you, but I'll know it when I see it.
I still do that and I am all grown up … I can not nor could not ever talk to my parents about anything of any importance.

in general what do you think though?

just random kid, do you think parents should censor or just monitor?
i reckon blanket censorship is wrong. monitoring what kids listen to and watch is probably fine under a certain age (would probably depend on the kid i guess). maybe until they're smart enough to figure out you might be doing it. if the stuff is inappropriate then asking the kid what they think of it and then explaining why it might be inappropriate is probably what i would do.

I remember my sister got me Robocop on video when I was 8. I loved that movie, because it had a robot that shot people, and a bigger robot that shot people, and the robots shot eachother. Then when I was about 12 I went off the film because it was childish and stupid, then when I was about 16 I started to see it for the brilliantly savage satire it was.

Maybe watching a film that violent with that much swearing fucked me up, or maybe it helped me grow up. fuck knows.

I probably wouldnt let a little kid watch it, but it depends on the kid I guess. If thyre mature enough to understand why robocop is better than the sequels then I suppose they are mature enough to watch it.

I remember my sister got me Robocop on video when I was 8. I loved that movie, because it had a robot that shot people, and a bigger robot that shot people, and the robots shot eachother. Then when I was about 12 I went off the film because it was childish and stupid, then when I was about 16 I started to see it for the brilliantly savage satire it was.

Maybe watching a film that violent with that much swearing fucked me up, or maybe it helped me grow up. fuck knows.

I probably wouldnt let a little kid watch it, but it depends on the kid I guess. If thyre mature enough to understand why robocop is better than the sequels then I suppose they are mature enough to watch it.

*lol*

that was the first exposure i had to violent films also. I was about 10. I loved it then and I love it now!!!!!! ;)

*lol*

that was the first exposure i had to violent films also. I was about 10. I loved it then and I love it now!!!!!! ;)

it slips by parents, or at least it did before it was famous. its got a robot, it cant be that bad! I might go watch it right now.

in general what do you think though?

just random kid, do you think parents should censor or just monitor?

Neither. They should talk to the kid about what they see and hear.
And, honestly, I'm impressed at your kid for saying she hopes they've got a condom. She not only knows what it is, but also that they should be using one. And I love her cynical attitude... her first boyfriend's going to have it tough. :D

it slips by parents, or at least it did before it was famous. its got a robot, it cant be that bad! I might go watch it right now.

DO IT!!!!!! I'm tempted to myself! Mine had already seen it before letting me watch. They either decided I was ready for all of that or they're sick and twisted and wanted to screw with my head!!!!!!!! :p

Neither. They should talk to the kid about what they see and hear.
And, honestly, I'm impressed at your kid for saying she hopes they've got a condom. She not only knows what it is, but also that they should be using one. And I love her cynical attitude... her first boyfriend's going to have it tough. :D
That or she is going to have it tough… but I sure hope not.

Neither. They should talk to the kid about what they see and hear.
And, honestly, I'm impressed at your kid for saying she hopes they've got a condom. She not only knows what it is, but also that they should be using one. And I love her cynical attitude... her first boyfriend's going to have it tough. :D

Yeah....he's gonna have to get past Smunkee's Klingon weapons! If he lives then he's deemed worthy. ;)

That or she is going to have it tough… but I sure hope not.

Na... she sounds too confident. He'll be the one who'll have to live up to her expectations :D


... just the way it should be.

of course i censor movies and music. i dont like to listen to crap. it is forbidden to watch or listen to anything that i hate.

not that music was a problem, my son wasnt into music of any kind until he went to college. now he listens to it on earphones so whatever it might be is unimportant to me.

no TV in his room so no crappy movies that might cause me to rant. what he might watch at someone else's house, i never cared about. it wasnt often enough to make a big difference in his life.

and the LAST thing im going to put up with is my 5 year old, or to be real world, my 20 year old singing "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire. We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn. Burn mother fucker, burn".

he can do that somewhere else. i dont want to hear it.

ICP = Insane Clown Posse.

Ah, that rings a bell, thanks.

The problem with censoring stuff from kids is that after a certain age, they'll be able to find out about it from other sources. Better to be the source yourself, so you know they're getting the story straight.

And as for teaching kids about sex and birth control, I can give you one example. My oldest sister is a doctor in family practice. When she started her medical practice, she would ask 13-year-old girls if they needed to talk about birth control. Enough of them said "yes" that she lowered the age when she started asking to 12. And then 11. And then 10. She now routinely asks 9-year-old girls, and very few of them look at her blankly and say "huh?" (Which is probably what I would have done at the age of 9.) Granted, her practice isn't located in the best neighborhood, but regardless of their background, kids today know what sex is. There's no point in trying to hide it.

Wait ... is it the 1970s? Are we still worried about Meatloaf?!?

Paradise by the Dashboard Lights is insanely tame compared to, say, Tu-Pac.

However, that said, I don't censor anything with my kids. It's kinda cute hearing my 5 year old son run around the house singing, "The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire. We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn. Burn mother fucker, burn".

Hasn't hurt him a bit.
Could be worse. Could be running around the house screeching at the top of their voice, "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me, fuck you I won't do what you tell me, fuck you I won't do what you tell me, motherfucker!"

Gotta love 5 year olds with that attitude.

Could be worse. Could be running around the house screeching at the top of their voice, "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me, fuck you I won't do what you tell me, fuck you I won't do what you tell me, motherfucker!"

Gotta love 5 year olds with that attitude.

My kid was running around at age 5 singing these exact lyrics.
I was a proud daddy that day!

I do not believe in censoring what my kids see/hear/read because I believe they will be exposed to the realities of the world eventually anyway and they might as well be exposed at home where I can at least explain right and wrong to them.

My son knows WHY they were screaming "Fuck you I won't do what you tell me, fuck you I won't do what you tell me, fuck you I won't do what you tell me, motherfucker!"...the song is about racist cops.
He also knows that not all, or even a majority, of cops are racist.

Knowledge will set you free, ignorance is it's own prison.

I think it's okay to censor kids, but keep it realistic. I mean my parents for example tried the censorship thing and, until a certain age that was okay, it worked (I think until about 7 or 8) and then I knew what all this stuff was I watched gory shit and even knew a girl who got raped who ended up explaining rape/sex to me first hand. Then when I got to grade 5 I started to get interested in the news a lot. My parents/grandparent always told me "no" that's for adults. The result? I watched it when they weren't there. It always pissed me off when there woyld be something on TV and my mom being like "oh you don't want to watch this, it's disturbing." And I'd have seen it before. When they're 5-6 okay but beyond that. Let them explore but keep them informed. Listening to rap isn't going to kill them they need to explore there tastes.
And for Smunkee, I think it's been said before her knowing about condoms and having in drilled into her head of sex-condoms from a young age. Thats going to do good so, carry on.

I'd be proud...I mean, she knows to use a condom to be safe if in such a situation...something many children don't learn untill far too late.

As for censorship...I'd say for very graphic things...such as hardcore porn and the like...yeah, thats fine. If you are prepared to answer the questions something might bring up, or you might have to bring up, then the child can listen to it.
I'd say by the teens, a child should be able to choose for themselves. Lets face it...most rated R movies are not that horrible unless your child is hypersensitive. But the parent does have the right to say "no" when the deem it to be appropriate.

You'd be a naive parent to think she found out from your music.

Childern these days, esspecially the young girls, know enough about sex to write articles for Penthouse by the age of 9. The mechanics, the techniques and the variation. I even knew one 11-year old girl who studied the Kama Sutra at length.

I'd rather have a kid who is desensitised to.. whatever.. than have a kid that sits in school and yells "Oh my god you said the H word!!!!" everytime a kid says "hell"..

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I'm sorry, what?

something i have never truely understood

why is rap/hip hop poular with teenage/pre teen girls?

i cant understand why, especailly if they were to actually listen to some of the lyrics

in front of kids.

I am (was) cleaning house, and listening to Meatloaf and I was listening to Paradise by the dashboard light.........

my 5 year old about half way through the song (about the part where the baseball announcer comes on) says "I hope they have a condom"

then later when the "do you love me?" part comes on she says "of course he would say anything at that point"

not exactly sure what to do with that. We had a long talk, at least the 3 year old is oblivious..........

I need to pick better PG CD's I guess.

I wonder if she has been processing this for a while, or maybe she just caught it today, now I am worried about the rest of my CD collection, that was an intense conversation.

so, about the point of my post, what do you think of parent imposed censorship? should parents get to choose what kids see/hear? where would you draw the line? do you think it shelters kids or does it keep 5 year olds from saying "I hope they have a condom" ?


When my husband was a youth minister we had parent's who wouldn't let their kids listen to certain CD's (Eminem ect.) but unless it was a "big name" they didn't care, for example I found a kid who wasn't allowed to watch PG-13 movies but had ICP cd's, as the "responsible adult" I talked to the kid about it and told him that I had to tell his parents, he was pissed. (but what kind of idiot shows the Sunday school teacher his ICP cd's? even if I am that cool to know who it is, like I really wouldn't tell his parents)

discuss.

I don't remember ever censoring what my kids heard or saw, nor do I remember having my reading, movies, etc. censored (in fact, when I was 11, my father went to the library with me and left a note with the librarian saying that I was allowed free run of all the books in the library - I could read anything I wanted). I think that it isn't so much what kids read or see as it is how the parents react. Sometimes, I think parenting isn't so much about forbidding or allowing your kids to do something, or read something as it is about being open to discussion about it. More damage is done by hiding things than by being open about them.

My little brother is 5, and he heard the tune "Battle of New Orleans." So my mom asks me to burn a CD for him, and I do it. So I put a bunch of songs on so I don't waste the CD, including "Smoke that Cigarette" by Tex Williams. So I pop the CD in while he's playing with his toys, and leave the room. Eventually, he runs to tell me, "There's a song about smokers! (Cigarettes) Smoke smoke smoke! smoker!" and he trys to sing the song for me. I thought it was pretty funny.

My little brother is 5, and he heard the tune "Battle of New Orleans." So my mom asks me to burn a CD for him, and I do it. So I put a bunch of songs on so I don't waste the CD, including "Smoke that Cigarette" by Tex Williams. So I pop the CD in while he's playing with his toys, and leave the room. Eventually, he runs to tell me, "There's a song about smokers! (Cigarettes) Smoke smoke smoke! smoker!" and he trys to sing the song for me. I thought it was pretty funny.

My little brother is 5, and he heard the tune "Battle of New Orleans." So my mom asks me to burn a CD for him, and I do it. So I put a bunch of songs on so I don't waste the CD, including "Smoke that Cigarette" by Tex Williams. So I pop the CD in while he's playing with his toys, and leave the room. Eventually, he runs to tell me, "There's a song about smokers! (Cigarettes) Smoke smoke smoke! smoker!" and he trys to sing the song for me. I thought it was pretty funny.

My little brother is 5, and he heard the tune "Battle of New Orleans." So my mom asks me to burn a CD for him, and I do it. So I put a bunch of songs on so I don't waste the CD, including "Smoke that Cigarette" by Tex Williams. So I pop the CD in while he's playing with his toys, and leave the room. Eventually, he runs to tell me, "There's a song about smokers! (Cigarettes) Smoke smoke smoke! smoker!" and he trys to sing the song for me. I thought it was pretty funny.

I'd rather have a kid who is desensitised to.. whatever.. than have a kid that sits in school and yells "Oh my god you said the H word!!!!" everytime a kid says "hell"..

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I'm sorry, what?

I once got in trouble in kindergarten for swearing. We were just ryhming words! I didn't even know what a swear word was! The worst thing you could say was do-do (as in the extinct bird).

Quadruple...nice.