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But Pirates of the Carribean?

Drunk commies deleted
26-07-2006, 15:10
This article says Jack Sparrow, the Johnny Depp pirate character, is gay. Meh, so what? Pirates are still cooler than Ninjas, just watch out for your booty when they're around.


http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0724gns-gaypirate24-ON.html
RLI Returned
26-07-2006, 15:12
Greatest double-entendre title EVER.
AllCoolNamesAreTaken
26-07-2006, 15:13
Greatest double-entendre title EVER.

For the first (and most likely ONLY) time in history, I agree with RLI.
Kecibukia
26-07-2006, 15:14
I think Jack would bite his pillow in frustration if he heard this.
The Atlantian islands
26-07-2006, 15:15
No hes not. (This reminds me of something from Grand Theft Auto III)...that said.."Pirates in Mens Pants".:D
Ashmoria
26-07-2006, 15:16
couldnt read the article without signing in.


jack sparrow isnt gay. i would guess that like all good pirate captains he is bisexual or more to the point, a man who takes what he can get when he can get it.
Kanabia
26-07-2006, 15:18
Hahaha, that's what someone said when I saw the first movie - "He looks like a poof".
Dakini
26-07-2006, 15:22
I figured he was just a drunk.

Besides, the character was based on Pepe Le Peu and Keith Richards (I think), neither of which is gay.
The Atlantian islands
26-07-2006, 15:24
I figured he was just a drunk.

Besides, the character was based on Pepe Le Peu and Keith Richards (I think), neither of which is gay.
^Thats what I thought...plus, didnt he have a heat stroke or something?
Carisbrooke
26-07-2006, 15:38
I thought he was just pretending to be Keith Richards.....
Greater Alemannia
26-07-2006, 15:44
He is not gay. He was totally hitting on Keira Knightly in Chest.

Oh, I like that article. If you don't agree, you're in denial.
Greater Alemannia
26-07-2006, 15:51
I figured he was just a drunk.

Besides, the character was based on Pepe Le Peu and Keith Richards (I think), neither of which is gay.

Yeah, he was drunk for half the film. That's the character.
Fartsniffage
26-07-2006, 15:59
I have no opinion either way on whethr he is gay, I'm just really excited to hear that there's a book called "Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition".
Supville
26-07-2006, 16:02
HE IS NOT GAY!



NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT!


Straight as an arrow, he is.
Baked squirrels
26-07-2006, 16:09
I heard about that but I doubt he's gay
Not bad
26-07-2006, 16:12
Jack Sparrow refuses to allow a potential crewman join his crew when he thinks the guy is gay in Dead Mans Chest, he pisses off hookers to the point that one slaps someone else in his stead, and Sparrow tries hard to seduce the female protagonist much to his downfall. The main mixed signals that must have confused the author of that article are Sparrows swishy affected walk and his addiction to eyeliner.
Brazilam
26-07-2006, 16:25
Jack Sparrow refuses to allow a potential crewman join his crew when he thinks the guy is gay in Dead Mans Chest, he pisses off hookers to the point that one slaps someone else in his stead, and Sparrow tries hard to seduce the female protagonist much to his downfall. The main mixed signals that must have confused the author of that article are Sparrows swishy affected walk and his addiction to eyeliner.

He is not gay. He was totally hitting on Keira Knightly in Chest.

Oh, I like that article. If you don't agree, you're in denial.

They are both so right. If Jack Sparrow were homosexual, he's doing a real good job at hiding it. But who would he be... that way with anyway? NOORINGTON? (Shudders at the thought). Homosexuals aren't bad people, but I think there is a 1 in a 1,274,325,978,634,961,238,746,189,745,376,491,823,478,916,458,712,369,678,423 chance that Jack Sparrow would be. He even KISSED Keira Knightly in Dead Man's Chest, much to Will's annoyance of course.
New Stalinberg
26-07-2006, 16:30
I don't think he's gay (I'm not a homophobe or anything) but he hits on the lead actress. Bisexual maybe? He IS afterall on a pirateship. Where there are only men.
The Black Forrest
26-07-2006, 16:31
I thought he was just pretending to be Keith Richards.....

Depp said he used Keith for the character.

Did you read that Keith signed on to play Sparrow senior?
The Black Forrest
26-07-2006, 16:33
The author forgot the scense with the girls(Black pearl) slapping the crap out of him.

"I don't think I deserved that"

"I may have deserved that!"

;)
Minoriteeburg
26-07-2006, 16:34
Depp said he used Keith for the character.

Did you read that Keith signed on to play Sparrow senior?


did he sign on? i heard they were trying to get him to play the part. depp wanted him personally to do it.
Kanabia
26-07-2006, 16:34
The author forgot the scense with the girls(Black pearl) slapping the crap out of him.

"I don't think I deserved that"

"I may have deserved that!"

;)

Maybe he asked them if they....well, you know.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 16:34
Oh, please. He's as gay as Gandalf and Magneto.

Which is very.
Minoriteeburg
26-07-2006, 16:36
hes as gay as bud bundy....
Kanabia
26-07-2006, 16:36
Oh, please. He's as gay as Gandalf and Magneto.

Which is very.

lol :p
The Black Forrest
26-07-2006, 16:36
did he sign on? i heard they were trying to get him to play the part. depp wanted him personally to do it.

I saw an article that mentioned he was.

IMDB says he is attached to the film.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449088/fullcredits
The blessed Chris
26-07-2006, 16:37
He is never Gay. Just exceedingly camp.
Minoriteeburg
26-07-2006, 16:37
I saw an article that mentioned he was.

IMDB says he is attached to the film.....

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449088/fullcredits


looks like the 3rd will be very interesting....now i need to see the 2nd one.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 16:40
lol :p

I love sir Ian McKellen. He is so pooferific. :)
Vetalia
26-07-2006, 16:43
Meh, I think Sparrow just hits anything with an orifice. You know, when you're out at sea for months at a time you have to broaden your horizons and get it when it's available...
Minoriteeburg
26-07-2006, 16:45
Meh, I think Sparrow just hits anything with an orifice. You know, when you're out at sea for months at a time you have to broaden your horizons and get it when it's available...


most pirates live by that code.
Vetalia
26-07-2006, 16:47
most pirates live by that code.

It comes with the job...
Not bad
26-07-2006, 16:47
I love sir Ian McKellen. He is so pooferific. :)

Pooferrific. If you are going to invent words at least spell them right.

;)
Minoriteeburg
26-07-2006, 16:47
It comes with the job...


now i know why so many have eye patches....:eek:
Vetalia
26-07-2006, 16:50
now i know why so many have eye patches....:eek:

Well, sometimes shivering your own timber just doesn't satisfy the craving.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 16:56
Pooferrific. If you are going to invent words at least spell them right.

That was the correct spelling - I am not the inventor of the word. Google gives 17 results for "pooferific" and none for "pooferrific."

So, stick that up yours! :p
New Xero Seven
26-07-2006, 17:33
Naw... Jack's not gay. He's just dehydrated.
Lunatic Goofballs
26-07-2006, 17:38
He is no gayer than any other horny drunk pirate at sea for months on end with only the company of other dudes would be.

Besides, I doubt all those girls slapped him because he stole their lingerie. :p
Vetalia
26-07-2006, 17:42
He is no gayer than any other horny drunk pirate at sea for months on end with only the company of other dudes would be.

As I said before, he hits anything with an orifice.
Minoriteeburg
26-07-2006, 17:47
Well, sometimes shivering your own timber just doesn't satisfy the craving.


i guess if you get lonley enough the warm feeling of an eye socket starts to sound nice.....
Carnivorous Lickers
26-07-2006, 17:54
He runs likes he's confused about his orientation.

He flaps his hands as if he might take flight.
Carnivorous Lickers
26-07-2006, 17:55
i guess if you get lonley enough the warm feeling of an eye socket starts to sound nice.....

I'm guessing the average socket might be on the frustratingly shallow side.
Katganistan
26-07-2006, 17:56
This article says Jack Sparrow, the Johnny Depp pirate character, is gay. Meh, so what? Pirates are still cooler than Ninjas, just watch out for your booty when they're around.


http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0724gns-gaypirate24-ON.html


Given the number of ladies of questionable virtue who slap the crap out of him in the first movie, I'd say this seems questionable.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, right George?
Not bad
26-07-2006, 17:56
That was the correct spelling - I am not the inventor of the word. Google gives 17 results for "pooferific" and none for "pooferrific."

So, stick that up yours! :p

Im disappointed that
A You are not the originator
B The originator cant spell.



No thanks to the sticking offer.
New Xero Seven
26-07-2006, 17:56
He may be acting queer (as in weird, out of the norm).... but common people!!! That doesn't mean he's GAY! :eek:
Katganistan
26-07-2006, 18:00
Oh, please. He's as gay as Gandalf and Magneto.

Which is very.
Correction: McKellen may be gay, but there's not much to suggest the characters he plays are.
Drunk commies deleted
26-07-2006, 18:08
Given the number of ladies of questionable virtue who slap the crap out of him in the first movie, I'd say this seems questionable.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, right George?
If ladies of intact virtue were slapping him you might have a point, but ladies of questionable virtue may be slapping him for hogging all the available local cock to himself.
Carnivorous Lickers
26-07-2006, 18:20
If ladies of intact virtue were slapping him you might have a point, but ladies of questionable virtue may be slapping him for hogging all the available local cock to himself.


:D "local cock" *L*
Katganistan
26-07-2006, 18:23
I honestly think this is a case where the writer of the article is seeing things that aren't there.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 18:30
Correction: McKellen may be gay, but there's not much to suggest the characters he plays are.

Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends. There's naïvety, and then there's denial... not to mention the silliness in assuming heterosexuality until there is something to "suggest" otherwise.
Minoriteeburg
26-07-2006, 18:32
I'm guessing the average socket might be on the frustratingly shallow side.


the eye socket was probably for the smaller pirates then...
Katganistan
26-07-2006, 18:46
Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends. There's naïvety, and then there's denial... not to mention the silliness in assuming heterosexuality until there is something to "suggest" otherwise.

Hmm, well, Gandalf was basically a god in human form (if you read the original) and Magneto had a family and children, and has had girlfriends in the comics that the movie originated from.

But hey, whatever you want to believe.
Isiseye
26-07-2006, 18:49
This article says Jack Sparrow, the Johnny Depp pirate character, is gay. Meh, so what? Pirates are still cooler than Ninjas, just watch out for your booty when they're around.


http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0724gns-gaypirate24-ON.html
HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT THE LOVE OF MY LIFE LIKE THAT. :gundge: TO YOU. Johnny Depp/ Capt Jack Sparrow are not gay, just merry and happy to be alive this is blasphemy
Not bad
26-07-2006, 18:52
Why is it tolerable good clean PC fun to speculate upon the sexual preferences (if any) of some fictional characters but not when it comes to Teletubbies?
Dempublicents1
26-07-2006, 18:53
Well, he does seem awfully obsessed with Will's penis (or lack thereof). =)
Dempublicents1
26-07-2006, 18:54
Why is it tolerable good clean PC fun to speculate upon the sexual preferences (if any) of some fictional characters but not when it comes to Teletubbies?

Who said it was PC?
Andaluciae
26-07-2006, 18:55
Jack Sparrow is modeled off of Keith Richards. If Keith Richards is gay, then Jack Sparrow is gay. Keith Richards hits the pussy. Thus, Jack Sparrow is not gay. Deductive Logic in action.
Isiseye
26-07-2006, 18:55
Why is it tolerable good clean PC fun to speculate upon the sexual preferences (if any) of some fictional characters but not when it comes to Teletubbies?


But the Teletubbies were originally meant to be used in a sex show (not the Amsterdam kind).
Not bad
26-07-2006, 18:56
Who said it was PC?

I did, just now.
Psychotic Mongooses
26-07-2006, 18:57
Jack Sparrow is modeled off of Keith Richards. If Keith Richards is gay, then Jack Sparrow is gay. Keith Richards hits the pussy. Thus, Jack Sparrow is not gay. Deductive Logic in action.

Who, in fact, is set to appear in PotC 3 as his father.
Drunk commies deleted
26-07-2006, 18:57
HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT THE LOVE OF MY LIFE LIKE THAT. :gundge: TO YOU. Johnny Depp/ Capt Jack Sparrow are not gay, just merry and happy to be alive this is blasphemy
Haha! You love a gay. That's right, A Gay.
Andaluciae
26-07-2006, 18:59
*rocks out to the 'stones*





*at work*





Keith Richards will be in the next movie. Which will be awesome in so many crazy ways.
Isiseye
26-07-2006, 18:59
Haha! You love a gay. That's right, A Gay.


Screw you...no actually I said you weren't getting any. I could turn him straight if he wasn't already.
Isiseye
26-07-2006, 19:00
*rocks out to the 'stones*





*at work*





Keith Richards will be in the next movie. Which will be awesome in so many crazy ways.

I agree. Anyone know the release date of the straight Pirates of the Carribean?
Not bad
26-07-2006, 19:01
Jack Sparrow is modeled off of Keith Richards. If Keith Richards is gay, then Jack Sparrow is gay. Keith Richards hits the pussy. Thus, Jack Sparrow is not gay. Deductive Logic in action.

If I was to guess which character in a movie was modeled after Keith Richards my first guess would have been the Mummy not Jack Sparrow. If this Keith Richards thing is true then I suppose that it makes Cap'n Jack Sparrow a metro sexual then.
Drunk commies deleted
26-07-2006, 19:11
Screw you...no actually I said you weren't getting any. I could turn him straight if he wasn't already.
Sure it's easy. Just grow a big cock and he'll love you.

I hope you're not really getting upset. I'm just joking around.
Andaluciae
26-07-2006, 19:20
If I was to guess which character in a movie was modeled after Keith Richards my first guess would have been the Mummy not Jack Sparrow. If this Keith Richards thing is true then I suppose that it makes Cap'n Jack Sparrow a metro sexual then.
It's true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Jack_Sparrow
Hydesland
26-07-2006, 19:22
No, hes clearly a metrosexual!
Dishonorable Scum
26-07-2006, 19:28
Who gives a rat's ass if a fictional character is gay or not? :rolleyes:
Drunk commies deleted
26-07-2006, 19:29
Who gives a rat's ass if a fictional character is gay or not? :rolleyes:
Clearly all the people who posted on this thread do, with the possible exception of you. It's always about you, isn't it? So what do YOU want to talk about?
Andaluciae
26-07-2006, 19:42
Clearly all the people who posted on this thread do, with the possible exception of you. It's always about you, isn't it? So what do YOU want to talk about?
Well, I don't know about him, but I want to talk about band camp.





Or not.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 20:19
Hmm, well, Gandalf was basically a god in human form (if you read the original)

So? A god can't be gay?

and Magneto had a family and children, and has had girlfriends in the comics that the movie originated from.

Yeah, no gay men have had those... :rolleyes:

But hey, whatever you want to believe.

Likewise.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 20:21
I could turn him straight if he wasn't already.

Keep dreaming, honey. Once you go gay, you never stray.
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 20:28
Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends.

Gandalf wasn't a man. Magneto was not without a girlfriend. He was in fact at one time married with children.

There's naïvety, and then there's denial

If you base your claim that both gandalf and magneto were gay on the fact that they were old single men devoid of relationships then you are the one in denial...as gandalf was not a man, and magneto was not perpetually single

... not to mention the silliness in assuming heterosexuality until there is something to "suggest" otherwise.

Let's you and I make a bet. I will roll a die. Every time it comes up 6, I give you a dollar. Every time it comes up 1-5 you give me a dollar. We'll roll the die 100 times.

Would you take that bet? No, of course not, unless you felt like giving away money. There is nothing at all silly about, when given an area of neutrality, to assume the odds.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 20:43
Gandalf wasn't a man.

Neither was Zeus, and he fucked many men.

Magneto was not without a girlfriend. He was in fact at one time married with children.

Again, and no gay men has ever had a sham marriage... :rolleyes:

If you base your claim that both gandalf and magneto were gay on the fact that they were old single men devoid of relationships then you are the one in denial...as gandalf was not a man, and magneto was not perpetually single.

One's humanity is irrelevant, and the other is no longer with that family and "girlfriends," probably because he could no longer live a lie.

Let's you and I make a bet. I will roll a die. Every time it comes up 6, I give you a dollar. Every time it comes up 1-5 you give me a dollar. We'll roll the die 100 times.

Would you take that bet? No, of course not, unless you felt like giving away money. There is nothing at all silly about, when given an area of neutrality, to assume the odds.

This is more like rolling a dice that has been weighted to counteract randomness, and thus I would take your bet, knowing that the situation is not in an "area of neutrality."
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 20:51
Neither was Zeus, and he fucked many men.

You're......using the qualities of one entirely fictional character to demonstrate the qualities of another entirely fictional character?

Little Miss Muffet sat on her tuffet, therefore so must luke skywalker.

Does that statement make any sense to you at all?

Again, and no gay men has ever had a sham marriage... :rolleyes:

Cute, nice change of topic. You based your claim on the fact he "never had a girlfriend". Your point was refuted. To continue to say "oh but gay men can have girlfriends!" is to ignore the fact that your point was refuted.

One's humanity is irrelevant

How can you define characterists of human sexuality on that which is not human? You may as well claim the computer I'm typing on is gay because....well...you say so. Gandalf was not a mortal being, there is no indication he had a sexual drive what so ever, so you first assume that he actually HAS a sexual drive, and then assume that sexual drive points him in the direction of homosexuality.

How can you assume he was gay when you have no indication that the character, not being human, actually had any human sexual desire?

and the other is no longer with that family and "girlfriends," probably because he could no longer live a lie.

Actually, they died. You're arguing about a character whose canon you know nothing about? smart.

This is more like rolling a dice that has been weighted to counteract randomness

That doesn't mean a damn thing. Statistically more people are straight then gay. If I have no evidence to draw a conclusion on one way or the other, and I am asked "is he straight or gay", having no other method of determination, and being forces to make a choice, I'm going with the odds. Statistically, I'll be right more often than I am wrong.
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 20:53
And, to further my point. You claimed that both magneto and gandalf were gay characters because they were old, and single, and never had a heterosexual relationship.

Gandalf, being a non human, and in fact, non mortal, was never shown to have any sex drive or lust what so ever.

Magneto was married, had children.

Now what do you use to base your conclusion on?
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 20:54
Cute, nice change of topic. You based your claim on the fact he "never had a girlfriend". Your point was refuted. To continue to say "oh but gay men can have girlfriends!" is to ignore the fact that your point was refuted.
Actually, you brought up the fact that he 'had partners' as 'evidence'. As has been pointed out, many gay people have had straight relationships; Elton John and George Michael spring to mind.

EDIT: See, you just did it again.

And, to further my point. You claimed that both magneto and gandalf were gay characters because they were old, and single, and never had a heterosexual relationship.

Gandalf, being a non human, and in fact, non mortal, was never shown to have any sex drive or lust what so ever.

Magneto was married, had children.

Now what do you use to base your conclusion on?
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 20:58
Actually, you brought up the fact that he 'had partners' as 'evidence'. As has been pointed out, many gay people have had straight relationships; Elton John and George Michael spring to mind.

EDIT: See, you just did it again.

No I did not:

Page 4, comment #50:

Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends.

I did not enter this discussion until page 5, comment #74.

HE stated that their status as single was an indicator of their homosexuality, I merely refuted the point he was single. I said nothing about whether that meant he was gay or not, however that if Baguetten wished to base his conclusion on the fact that they were old, single men, and never had girlfriends, he may wish to be aware of the fact that in magneto's case, he did have a relationship, and in gandalf's case, he's not a man.

Now kindly remove your foot from your mouth and read the whole thing.
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:01
No I did not:

Page 4, comment #50:



I did not enter this discussion until page 5, comment #74.

HE stated that their status as single was an indicator of their homosexuality, I merely refuted the point he was single. I said nothing about whether that meant he was gay or not.
I see. So you actually entered this topic to 'defend the repuation' of a fictional character?
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:02
I see. So you actually entered this topic to 'defend the repuation' of a fictional character?

Isn't discussing the reputation of fiction characters the entire point of this topic?
UpwardThrust
26-07-2006, 21:03
I see. So you actually entered this topic to 'defend the repuation' of a fictional character?
Lol apparently no more so then you have come in to ‘vilify’ it lol
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:04
Isn't discussing the reputation of fiction characters the entire point of this topic?
I was under the impression that the topic was 'so what if he is gay?' This is different to 'is he gay or not?'
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:04
Of course though, forgive me for actually discussing something in the spirit in which the thread was intended. I'll be sure to take my discussion of fictional character's sexuality out of the thread that was created to discuss the sexuality of fictional characters and locate it quite well in whatever thread you happen to make next.

Would hate to be even vaguely on topic now.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:05
Cute, nice change of topic. You based your claim on the fact he "never had a girlfriend". Your point was refuted. To continue to say "oh but gay men can have girlfriends!" is to ignore the fact that your point was refuted.

My point was never refuted - they are old, single men's men. Now you may want to trot out irrelevancies, families and highly questionable divinity, but those do not disprove my points at all.

How can you define characterists of human sexuality on that which is not human? You may as well claim the computer I'm typing on is gay because....well...you say so. Gandalf was not a mortal being, there is no indication he had a sexual drive what so ever, so you first assume that he actually HAS a sexual drive, and then assume that sexual drive points him in the direction of homosexuality.

How can you assume he was gay when you have no indication that the character, not being human, actually had any human sexual desire?

Ah, the questionable divinity, again, and, of course, the apparent non-comment about Zeus, who indeed liked fucking young men. You brought out divinity as an attempt to disprove homosexuality - I have already shown you that there is nothing about divinity that precludes, and, in fact, given you proof of a deity that had homosexual relationships.

Now, you may wish to go "how can we know about the sexuality of deities" ignoring the fact that deities throughout the history we've invented them have been highly sexual creatures with a whole bunch of kink tossed in (turning into a bull and raping Europa, anyone?), but still not get away from the fact the Gandalf's divinity is quite suspect indeed.

Actually, they died. You're arguing about a character whose canon you know nothing about? smart.

So, they died. Big whoop. Why did he fail saving them? Why is he single today? Because he is emancipated and fabulous.

That doesn't mean a damn thing.

It does. You assume neutrality and unskewed probability where there are none.

Statistically more people are straight then gay.

And statistically, more people in a gay pride parade are gay than straight. That queeny guy is probably gay. Gandalf and Magneto are probably gay.

If I have no evidence to draw a conclusion on one way or the other, and I am asked "is he straight or gay", having no other method of determination, and being forces to make a choice, I'm going with the odds. Statistically, I'll be right more often than I am wrong.

Living in active denial of the evidence is not not having them.
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:06
Lol apparently no more so then you have come in to ‘vilify’ it lol
I don't even know why I did enter it. I sort of just wandered in when browsing. :p
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:07
I was under the impression that the topic was 'so what if he is gay?' This is different to 'is he gay or not?'

Well when one links an article into a forum based on debate, one generally assumes that the primary purpose for such a thing is to bring discussion as to the nature of the article, namely Jack Sparrow's proported sexuality.

Now if you wish to chastize me for segueing into Magneto's and Gandalf's sexuality, well, I didn't start that topic of conversation either.

BTW, still waiting for you to admit that you said something I didn't.
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:08
BTW, still waiting for you to admit that you said something I didn't.
That being?
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:13
My point was never refuted - they are old, single men's men. Now you may want to trot out irrelevancies, families and highly questionable divinity, but those do not disprove my points at all.

Incorrect, your statement was "Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends." Do check, page 4, comment 50. That was your statement.

Magneto has had a girlfriend.

Gandalf is not a man.

Ah, the questionable divinity, again, and, of course, the apparent non-comment about Zeus,

I added one, go check

who indeed liked fucking young men.

The qualities of one fictional character has no baring on the qualities of another fictional character.

You brought out divinity as an attempt to disprove homosexuality - I have already shown you that there is nothing about divinity that precludes, and, in fact, given you proof of a deity that had homosexual relationships.

No, you've given me an example of a fictional character, which bares nothing on ANOTHER fictional character.

You have certainly not shown me any actual diety to compare to, and even if you did, once again, a real diety and a fictional one need not share characteristics.

Now, you may wish to go "how can we know about the sexuality of deities" ignoring the fact that deities throughout the history we've invented them have been highly sexual creatures with a whole bunch of kink tossed in (turning into a bull and raping Europa, anyone?), but still not get away from the fact the Gandalf's divinity is quite suspect indeed.

So the fact that some people conceived of a diety who had homosexual tendancies means that nobody ever, in the history of the world, could ever conceive of one that doesn't?

Just because zeus fucked guys doesn't mean that every other fictional god will.

It does. You assume neutrality and unskewed probability where there are none.

Probabilities are neutral. Either someone is gay, or he is not. When you look at the total number of gay people versus the total number of people total, you can calculate a probability.

And statistically, more people in a gay pride parade are gay than straight. That queeny guy is probably gay. Gandalf and Magneto are probably gay.

I missed the scene in Lord of the Rings where Gandalf was queen of the gay pride parade.

I'll ask again, on what basis do you conclude such things?



Living in active denial of the evidence is not not having them.[/QUOTE]
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:14
Now what do you use to base your conclusion on?

http://www.lminfo.hr/comics/galerija/magneto-pic1.jpg

Just look at him. A mauve cape, purple leather and a quirky sense of headwear fashion? If your gaydar isn't flashing and flailing its mechanical arms and going "fagness, Will Robinson, fagness!," then you may need to get it checked out by your local bear daddy before you attempt to dismiss anyone's homosexualism.
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:14
That being?
That I based my argument on past relationships, rather than he basing his on the incorrect assumption of a lack of them.
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:16
http://www.lminfo.hr/comics/galerija/magneto-pic1.jpg

Just look at him. A mauve cape, purple leather and a quirky sense of headwear fashion? If your gaydar isn't flashing and flailing its mechanical arms and going "fagness, Will Robinson, fagness!," then you may need to get it checked out by your local bear daddy before you attempt to dismiss anyone's homosexualism.

Ahh yes, we shall judge a character gay, having no evidence other than the fact that a cartoon supervillian dresses like...well...a cartoon supervillian.

Anyway you're obviously just trolling now, so I'm done with you.
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:17
That I based my argument on past relationships, rather than he basing his on the incorrect assumption of a lack of them.
You did base your argument on past relationships. In fact, it is the only 'evidence' you have to refute the claim; that one of the two had a single girlfriend.

This is like claiming that Nazi's weren't nasty people because one of them once saved a orphan.
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:18
http://www.lminfo.hr/comics/galerija/magneto-pic1.jpg
Pfft. Superman wannabe.
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:21
You did base your argument on past relationships. In fact, it is the only 'evidence' you have to refute the claim; that one of the two had a single girlfriend.

This is like claiming that Nazi's weren't nasty people because one of them once saved a orphan.

Ok, listen VERY VERY VERY closly.

His argument:

Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends.

My statement:

magneto had a girlfriend.


Does my statement say anything to the sort of "he had a relationship, therefore he can never be gay!"

No, it merely states "he had a relationship with a woman, thus the comment of - Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends, is false"

With me here? Let's make an analogy. Let's say you tell me that the car parked down the street, which we can't see, is silver.

I ask why you know and you say "every car is silver". To which I reply "no, you are wrong, all cars are not silver".

Did I argue that this PARTICULAR car was not silver? No, i merely refuted the claim that all cars are silver.

He stated - Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends.

That statement, applied to magneto, is false. It doesn't say he's gay, it doesn't say he's straight, it says only that the comment:

Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends.

is, as far as magneto goes, false.

Now, if that statement was the only evidence he was using to base his claim, then his claim is without merit, since the evidence has been refuted.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
26-07-2006, 21:23
I love sir Ian McKellen. He is so pooferific. :)
Aha! Finally a guy we can agree on. :p
Arthais101
26-07-2006, 21:23
This is like claiming that Nazi's weren't nasty people because one of them once saved a orphan.

No, it's like saying that all nazi's are bad because none of them, ever, saved an orphan, and me pointing out that one, in fact, did.

Now if you have other justification for believing that nazi's are evil, then maybe the fact that one of them saved an orphan won't really matter.

But if your ONLY reason for believing all nazis to be evil is that none of them ever saved an orphan (stupid reasoning but whatever) and one, in fact, did, then you would need to reevaluate your reasoning, wouldn't you?
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:25
-snip-
You are really claiming that all you have said in this thread is that the claim they have never had girlfriends is false?

I must be imagining all that stuff about rolling a dice and 'taking my statistical chances.'

As the OP says, why does it bother you so much that they might be gay?
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:25
Incorrect, your statement was "Old, single men's men who've never had girlfriends." Do check, page 4, comment 50. That was your statement.

They are old men's men.

Magneto has had a girlfriend.

And I've had a girlfriend, and I'm the faggiest fag that ever fagged. Well, I hope to be. You see, my point did not rest on the girlfriend issue, and I have since shown it to be a non-issue. Get with the programme.

Gandalf is not a man.

I questioned your assertions of divinity. I did not accept them. Again, get with the programme already.

I added one, go check

I am not going pages back to adress your feeble esprit de l'escalier.

The qualities of one fictional character has no baring on the qualities of another fictional character.

As does divinity have no bearing on sexuality.

No, you've given me an example of a fictional character, which bares nothing on ANOTHER fictional character.

Zeus is a deity.

You have certainly not shown me any actual diety to compare to,

Zeus is a deity.

and even if you did, once again, a real diety and a fictional one need not share characteristics.

Zeus is a deity. All deities are fictional, none are "real." That's why they're deities.

Probabilities are neutral.

Let me guess, you never got the three door problem, did you?

Either someone is gay, or he is not. When you look at the total number of gay people versus the total number of people total, you can calculate a probability.

We're not looking at a total number of people. We're looking at two raging queens.

I missed the scene in Lord of the Rings where Gandalf was queen of the gay pride parade.

I'll ask again, on what basis do you conclude such things?

You missed Gandalf's lust-filled gazing at Frodo, and impeccable choice of robes, not to mention his sensuous handling of his dild... I mean, staff? Let me guess, you think Frodo and that other hobbit are just "really, really good friends?"
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:28
Ahh yes, we shall judge a character gay, having no evidence other than the fact that a cartoon supervillian dresses like...well...a cartoon supervillian.

Who dresses like a flaming queen.

Anyway you're obviously just trolling now, so I'm done with you.

Trolling? Because I don't agree with you in a very non-serious and preposterously humorous thread? Grow a skin, and get yourself that gaydar.
The Aeson
26-07-2006, 21:33
This article says Jack Sparrow, the Johnny Depp pirate character, is gay. Meh, so what? Pirates are still cooler than Ninjas, just watch out for your booty when they're around.


http://www.azcentral.com/offbeat/articles/0724gns-gaypirate24-ON.html

Nah, he's certainly not gay. Bisexual is a possibility, I'll admit. But considering the number of women who slap him, I'd have to say that he's not gay.

(Not to mention turning Elizabeth down when he thinks she's a guy, and then promptly propositioning her when he finds out she's not...)
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:34
Aha! Finally a guy we can agree on. :p

Back off, bitch! I saw him first! :mad:
The Aeson
26-07-2006, 21:36
Who dresses like a flaming queen.



Trolling? Because I don't agree with you in a very non-serious and preposterously humorous thread? Grow a skin, and get yourself that gaydar.

Well, I have to say that Magneto is not gay. Judging by the amount of offspring he has running around and screwing stuff up...
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:37
Back off, bitch! I saw him first! :mad:
As if he'd go for you. He's got a bit of class.
Oeck
26-07-2006, 21:39
If your gaydar isn't flashing and flailing its mechanical arms and going "fagness, Will Robinson, fagness!," then you may need to get it checked out by your local bear daddy before you attempt to dismiss anyone's homosexualism.

Provided s/he is able to identify him.

I'm the faggiest fag that ever fagged.

You'll kindly allow me to screenshot, print and frame this? It might come in handy for future reference.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:39
Well, I have to say that Magneto is not gay. Judging by the amount of offspring he has running around and screwing stuff up...

I can say the same thing about my ex whose off-spring was quite numerous, indeed. Never underestimate the willingness of a self-loathing gay man to "cure" himself by sticking his wee-wee up a hoo-haa and breeding.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:41
As if he'd go for you. He's got a bit of class.

And I've got a tonne of ass, which is far more important.
UpwardThrust
26-07-2006, 21:43
I can say the same thing about my ex whose off-spring was quite numerous, indeed. Never underestimate the willingness of a self-loathing gay man to "cure" himself by sticking his wee-wee up a hoo-haa and breeding.
So we are supposed to ignore his kids his attachments and any other data we know about him and mysteriously accept a villain’s outfit as proof of his homosexuality?

Talk about relying on stereotypes
UpwardThrust
26-07-2006, 21:43
And I've got a tonne of ass, which is far more important.
Naw attitude has always attracted me more then ass
Not bad
26-07-2006, 21:44
As long as we have drifted onto the realm of inanimate and imaginary things gayness or lack thereof I'd like to ask our esteemed experts' opinions upon the gayness or heterosity of the airbags on Honda's new Goldwing.

http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2005%5C09%5C15%5Cbikepics-429711-full.jpg


http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2005%5C09%5C15%5Cbikepics-429710-full.jpg
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:44
Provided s/he is able to identify him.

You're right, while bear-daddies are usually spottable from a kilometre away, they don't hold a candle to Magneto's faggotry. This person is in quite a pickle, it would seem.

You'll kindly allow me to screenshot, print and frame this? It might come in handy for future reference.

Stick around, babe.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:46
Naw attitude has always attracted me more then ass

Such luck I've got both. :)
Not bad
26-07-2006, 21:47
So we are supposed to ignore his kids his attachments and any other data we know about him and mysteriously accept a villain’s outfit as proof of his homosexuality?

Talk about relying on stereotypes

Gay men sterotypically wear spandex villians outfits with capes now?
Wouldnt simply telling people be an easier more stylish and less costly way of coming out of the closet?
UpwardThrust
26-07-2006, 21:48
Such luck I've got both. :)
I don’t know with the stereotypes you have been throwing around … lol but I know it is in good fun even if I don’t believe the conclusion lol
Philosopy
26-07-2006, 21:48
Gay men sterotypically wear spandex villians outfits with capes now?
Every gay man I have ever met has been dressed like that.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:49
As long as we have drifted onto the realm of inanimate and imaginary things gayness or lack thereof I'd like to ask our esteemed experts' opinions upon the gayness or heterosity of the airbags on Honda's new Goldwing.

http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2005%5C09%5C15%5Cbikepics-429711-full.jpg
http://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2005%5C09%5C15%5Cbikepics-429710-full.jpg

In normal circumstances it would be a no-brainer, but Honda is Japanese and tentacles complicate matters...
UpwardThrust
26-07-2006, 21:51
Gay men sterotypically wear spandex villians outfits with capes now?
Wouldnt simply telling people be an easier more stylish and less costly way of coming out of the closet?
No but pointing to his color choice and other features (part of his outfit) along with the reliance on “gaydar” is rather stereotypical
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:52
So we are supposed to ignore his kids his attachments and any other data we know about him and mysteriously accept a villain’s outfit as proof of his homosexuality?

Now you're getting it!

Talk about relying on stereotypes

If it quacks like a duck... :p
Not bad
26-07-2006, 21:53
In normal circumstances it would be a no-brainer, but Honda is Japanese and tentacles complicate matters...

Which brings us full circle to Jack Sparrows tentaclephobia.

He's desperately squeamish of that Kraken thing.
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:54
Gay men sterotypically wear spandex villians outfits with capes now?

It'll catch on, just you wait.

Wouldnt simply telling people be an easier more stylish and less costly way of coming out of the closet?

Where would the fabulousness in that be?
Baguetten
26-07-2006, 21:55
Which brings us full circle to Jack Sparrows tentaclephobia.

He's desperately squeamish of that Kraken thing.

So, he's a Japanese girl? I'd buy that.
Not bad
26-07-2006, 21:57
Where would the fabulousness in that be?

It could be done as a Champagne brunch affair at a fiendishly trendy restaurant for fabulous' sake.
Oeck
26-07-2006, 22:00
You're right, while bear-daddies are usually spottable from a kilometre away, they don't hold a candle to Magneto's faggotry. This person is in quite a pickle, it would seem.
Spotability is in the eye of the beholder, after all.
Stick around, babe.
For how much longer, lovey?
Not bad
26-07-2006, 22:02
So, he's a Japanese girl? I'd buy that.


Long black hair, incomprehensible use of eyeliner, a positive attitude even when things seem bleak, surrounded by people who dig tentacles, has a black pearl, yes it all fits together now.
Whereyouthinkyougoing
26-07-2006, 22:07
Back off, bitch! I saw him first! :mad:
:D
Cape Isles
26-07-2006, 22:09
Correct me if I'm wrong (I just watched "Dead Mans Chest" 4 hours ago) but I think the following proves that Capt. Jack Sparrow isn’t gay:

Just as they are boarding the Black Pearl in Tortuga after recruiting five men (but one was a woman)

Eliz (dressed as a man): I have come to find my love.
Capt Sparrow: All I love is the sea.
Eliz (dressed as a man): I have come to find the man I love.

Sparrow gives an awkward look to his first mate, then a head nod which I took to mean throw him (but it was a her) overboard.
Montacanos
26-07-2006, 22:18
meh, I dont think he's gay. Even if he is, that article was far to logically flimsy to prove it. Besides, werent both the voodoo lady and the latino girl he stole the ship from in curse, both former lovers?
Duntscruwithus
26-07-2006, 22:24
If Sparrow is gay, I am Ghandi.

And I ain't Indian, wear white robes or have any truck with pacifism. Though we do share a hairstyle.
Greater Alemannia
27-07-2006, 07:31
He's not gay. I mean, I'd act flamboyant like that if society didn't care. He's a pirate, so he already has a bad rep, so he does what he wants.
Gaithersburg
27-07-2006, 07:40
All I know is that I love watching him run.