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I think the Republicans are cooler, because of the image they cultivate. The "typical" Republican is supposed to be a hardworking, ruggedly individualistic "man's man" who owns a gun, drinks beer, has a pickup truck, and has a family. He'll be right there to stand up for you if you are attacked, and he is patriotic.

On the other hand, the "typical" Democrat emanates the image of someone who complains a lot, believes ridiculous conspiracy theories, eats organic food, or is a vegetarian. He is spoiled, not very patriotic, and basically a complete pussy.

I'm not saying these stereotypes are necessarily true, but they are the stereotypes that I have come to associate the Democrats and Republicans with. I'm not here to start an argument about the respective parties' policies, although if anyone wants to debate about that, I'll be more than happy to oblige them. Anyway, vote in my poll, and if you hate both Democrats and Republicans, just vote for the one you hate least. If you hate them both equally, just close your eyes and click on randomly. Thanks.

Neither/nor

Neither/nor
Aww, come on, just pick one.

Aww, come on, just pick one.
The one with the funny hat.

I like dem dems.

This is going to turn out well...

I have to pick just one group of stodgy, corrupt, politicians? I cant choose!

I have to pick just one group of stodgy, corrupt, politicians? I cant choose!
Then like I said, close your eyes, and click on a random one. Or flip a coin.

This is going to turn out well...
Six posts and there will be a flame of such beauty that it will consume the essence of our soles.

Democrats are political incompetents, Republicans are increasingly power corrupt. Neither is awesome.

Democrats are political incompetents, Republicans are increasingly power corrupt. Neither is awesome.
Not all of them are like this. I don't think it's healthy to be so cynical.

All Republicans like Christian Rock which negates any coolness they might have ever posessed.

incompetence wins over corruption in my book

I wish there was a neither choice but I do think the democrats are less harmful than the republicans.

Well, from what I can tell, what's 'cool' between the parties depends on which state you're in. However, add the word 'young', in front of the party, and suddenly, Republicans suddenly seem very 'uncool'.

All Republicans like Christian Rock which negates any coolness they might have ever posessed.
Some of them are actually quite libertarian when it comes to social issues. However, I do agree that the Christian Right is WAY too influential within the Republican Party.

As the great Barry Goldwater once said, "Every good Christian should kick Jerry Falwell in the ass".

I finally chose democrats after searching out the party of Aaron Burr.

Like Iran, I like my leaders three shades of crazy.

They are all politicians and thus, lame.

Well, from what I can tell, what's 'cool' between the parties depends on which state you're in. However, add the word 'young', in front of the party, and suddenly, Republicans suddenly seem very 'uncool'.
I'm actually in New Jersey, which is traditionally democratic. Our governor is a democrat, and we voted overwhelmingly for kerry in 04.

I think the Republicans are cooler, because of the image they cultivate. The "typical" Republican is supposed to be a hardworking, ruggedly individualistic "man's man" who owns a gun, drinks beer, has a pickup truck, and has a family. He'll be right there to stand up for you if you are attacked, and he is patriotic.Really? And here I thought the typical Republican hardly works, is a ruggedly capitalistic "boss man" who manufactures guns, despises beer, invests in pickup trucks, and pays people to raise his family. He'll stand right behind you while you march into combat... and while he has better things to do than fight himself, his patriotism is obvious in his hatred for flag-burners. ;)

On the other hand, the "typical" Democrat emanates the image of someone who complains a lot, believes ridiculous conspiracy theories, eats organic food, or is a vegetarian. He is spoiled, not very patriotic, and basically a complete pussy.Wow... that's out there. Conspiracy theories? Really?

"Spoiled?"... Seriously, how did the Democrats, who still manage to get the grudging support of labor unions and blacks, get an image as spoiled?

They are all politicians and thus, lame.
But they run your government, and since America is the wealthiest nation, they must have done something right, right?

Really? And here I thought the typical Republican hardly works, is a ruggedly capitalistic "boss man" who manufactures guns, despises beer, invests in pickup trucks, and pays people to raise his family. He'll stand right behind you while you march into combat... and while he has better things to do than fight himself, his patriotism is obvious in his hatred for flag-burners. ;)

Wow... that's out there. Conspiracy theories? Really?

"Spoiled?"... Seriously, how did the Democrats, who still manage to get the grudging support of labor unions and blacks, get an image as spoiled?
1-Actually, most of the people I've spoken to who are in the military are Republican, so they actually do most of the fighting it would seem.

2. Who's more likely to say that Bush knew about 911, a democrat or a republican? I actually agree with you about the unions, as they are composed of some of the most hardworking people in our nation, but the democrats, with a few exceptions, aren't playing up on their support of the unions. Instead, they're playing up on their support from hollywood, the feminists, and the peaceniks, and this is what is losing them so many voters.

Here we go...

*gets popcorn and Beer*

Republicans are squaresville, Daddy-O.

But they run your government, and since America is the wealthiest nation, they must have done something right, right?

By your logic, that would make Bill Gates the coolest man in America. :eek: ;)

Really? And here I thought the typical Republican hardly works, is a ruggedly capitalistic "boss man" who manufactures guns, despises beer, invests in pickup trucks, and pays people to raise his family. He'll stand right behind you while you march into combat... and while he has better things to do than fight himself, his patriotism is obvious in his hatred for flag-burners. ;)

Hey, hey, hey... ease up on the capitalists... there aren't enough of the super-rich to constitute a significant voting block. And really, what sort of 'boss man' despises beer?

Oh wait, you don't live in Canada....

I'm actually in New Jersey, which is traditionally democratic. Our governor is a democrat, and we voted overwhelmingly for kerry in 04.

That's because you live so close to Canada. You get socialism through osmosis.

By your logic, that would make Bill Gates the coolest man in America. :eek: ;)
Does he run the government? Republicans seem to sympathize more with the "common man" than the dems, which is what makes them seem cooler.

But they run your government, and since America is the wealthiest nation, they must have done something right, right?

Sweden has one of the highest GDP per capita, i.e. one of the highest living standards in the world, and they have a tax rate of about 50%. They have a very extensive welfare state. So basically the Social Democrats, the party who've been in charge the most the last 50 years or so, must be doing something right even though their policies are much different than the Republicans, right?

That's because you live so close to Canada. You get socialism through osmosis.
Well, I can't expect much more from a country that has a marijuana leaf on its flag.;)

Sweden has one of the highest GDP per capita, i.e. one of the highest living standards in the world, and they have a tax rate of about 50%. They have a very extensive welfare state. So basically the Social Democrats, the party who've been in charge the most the last 50 years or so, must be doing something right even though their policies are much different than the Republicans, right?
Absolutely. If it's that good in Sweden, then the know what they're doing. However, I would imagine that people in Sweden are mostly clustered around the middle class range, whereas in America, we have a large working class, a larger middle class, and a smaller but EXTREMELY wealthy upper class. More stratification.

nationstates general forum is a little over ran by democrats, liberals, left leaners, socialist (which tie themselves into democrats) and so on.

and i highly doubt they are going to say they are not cool. so i beleive your poll will show a huge amount of support for the democrats.

Does he run the government? Republicans seem to sympathize more with the "common man" than the dems, which is what makes them seem cooler.

Hmmm. I see what you mean if the "common man" you speak of looks like this. (http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/10220000/10221915.jpg)

In a race between the Rich and the moralistic, the rich almost always win. Therefore, i will say that republicans are better

1-Actually, most of the people I've spoken to who are in the military are Republican, so they actually do most of the fighting it would seem.It was attempting to make a comment on the version of "typical" you seem to be using. I guess you missed it.

2. Who's more likely to say that Bush knew about 911, a democrat or a republican?Yes, but neither is very likely at all to believe it. This makes it rather difficult to say the "typical" democrat believes conspiracy theories.

Instead, they're playing up on their support from hollywood, the feminists, and the peaceniks, and this is what is losing them so many voters.Actually, I think the Republicans are doing far more to promote this image of Democrats than the Democrats themselves. It's an admittedly very successful propaganda campaign.

And what's wrong with being feminist, anyway?

Absolutely. If it's that good in Sweden, then the know what they're doing. However, I would imagine that people in Sweden are mostly clustered around the middle class range, whereas in America, we have a large working class, a larger middle class, and a smaller but EXTREMELY wealthy upper class. More stratification.

I'm a bit shocked that you said that. Most people I've met have been fairly universalist politics wise. In other words for the most part the same policies should work well in different countries.

Of course a big reason of why Sweden doesn't have such big stratification is it's extensive welfare state.

lol. You sound almost Marxist in your class talk.

In a race between the Rich and the moralistic, the rich almost always win. Therefore, i will say that republicans are better

In general the Republicans seem both rich AND moralistic.:p

I'm actually in New Jersey, which is traditionally democratic. Our governor is a democrat, and we voted overwhelmingly for kerry in 04.

woot! woot! NEW JERSEY!!!! :eek:

Does he run the government? Republicans seem to sympathize more with the "common man" than the dems, which is what makes them seem cooler.That all depends on your definition of "common."

"Common" used to mean "poor," so that identifying with the "common" man meant advocating the rights of the poor. The Democrats haven't been doing as well on that front lately... but they are still a far sight better than the Republicans.

The real success of the Republican Party has been to redefine "common," in the vocabulary of the American people, to mean "uneducated."

Well, I can't expect much more from a country that has a marijuana leaf on its flag.;)

Yup. We also like our pancakes with marijuana syrup all over them, but that's another story.

woot! woot! NEW JERSEY!!!! :eek:Damn straight.

First modern political entity to give the vote to both blacks and women. ;)

I'd personally go with the rich guy who worked his ass off to get where he is and owns a gun, drinks, and has a nice house. I see Deomcrats as children who never grew up. Most young people will say the Dems are cooler because they themselves haven't yet grown up. When they collect a huge amount of debt and lose the house they borrowed against for stuff like a new TV and a Pious till they were 19G's in the hole, they'll either wise up to reality slapping a big fish across their face and start being responsible, or they'll whine until they get free stuff like the programs set up to help people truly in need, not irresponsible idiots who just want to abuse the system.

Man, there's nothing cooler than a bunch of old rich white guys who shit on everyone.

Thus making it a tie.

Man, there's nothing cooler than a bunch of old rich white guys who shit on everyone.

Thus making it a tie.
Why do you have to bring race into this? Or age? I'm not old enough to legally drink. And I'm not rich, nor did I come from a rich family.

Why do you have to bring race into this? Or age? I'm not old enough to legally drink. And I'm not rich, nor did I come from a rich family.He was saying that the people who actually run the country--that is, the people elected by both parties... are mostly old, mostly white, mostly male... and mostly shit on the rest of us.

:)

He was saying that the people who actually run the country--that is, the people elected by both parties... are mostly old, mostly white, mostly male... and mostly shit on the rest of us.

:)
Ah. Thank you for that explaination. I have often heard people apply that description to Republicans.

Man, there's nothing cooler than a bunch of old rich white guys who shit on everyone.

Thus making it a tie.

May I remind you that in 2004 Bush won 48% percent of the female vote, most of John Kerry's votes came from white people, and Bush won the middle class.

Lets break it down by party here:

IN 2004: Republicans tended to be over 45 , middle to upper class, not a union member, work full time, have a high school degree but no doctorate, be e conservative Christian, attend church often, have served in the military, be married, have kids, be straight, own a gun, and think the most important issues were taxes, the war on Terror, and moral values.
Democrats tended to be under 45, lower middle class to poor, be jewish or an athiest, work full time, have either no high school degree or a doctorate, be a liberal, attend church less than once a year, never served in the armed forces, be single, not have kids, sympathize with gay rights, not own a gun, and think the most important issues were education, the economy, and health care.

May I remind you that in 2004 Bush won 48% percent of the female vote, most of John Kerry's votes came from white people, and Bush won the middle class.

Lets break it down by party here:

IN 2004: Republicans tended to be over 45 , middle to upper class, not a union member, work full time, have a high school degree but no doctorate, be e conservative Christian, attend church often, have served in the military, be married, have kids, be straight, own a gun, and think the most important issues were taxes, the war on Terror, and moral values.
Democrats tended to be under 45, lower middle class to poor, be jewish or an athiest, work full time, have either no high school degree or a doctorate, be a liberal, attend church less than once a year, never served in the armed forces, be single, not have kids, sympathize with gay rights, not own a gun, and think the most important issues were education, the economy, and health care.
This has nothing to do with your post, but let me just say that Barry Goldwater was the greatest man alive.

This has nothing to do with your post, but let me just say that Barry Goldwater was the greatest man alive.

Extremism in the persuit of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the persuit of justice is no virtue.:p

Extremism in the persuit of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the persuit of justice is no virtue.:p
"I certainly believe in aliens in space. They may not look like us, but I have very strong feelings that they have advanced beyond our mental capabilities....I think some highly secret government UFO investigations are going on that we don't know about-and probably never will unless the Air Force discloses them."

Indeed.;)

Yeah he got on that train.

I'm Independent, I usually don't agree with the same party everytime so I see who the candidates are and then decide based on their stances on things, the propositions they make, and other things

Both are too uncool to attract my support, so I'll write-in "Peace and Freedomites."

Why vote for the lesser of two uncools?

Both parties are pretty damned useless. Whenever I vote the question in my mind isn't "Who is the better candidate?" it's "Who sucks less?". And sometimes that's a rather difficult question to answer.

This is like asking people to choose between Pepsi and Coke. Same product with a different label.

He was saying that the people who actually run the country--that is, the people elected by both parties... are mostly old, mostly white, mostly male... and mostly shit on the rest of us.

:)

Got the point.


May I remind you that in 2004 Bush won 48% percent of the female vote, most of John Kerry's votes came from white people, and Bush won the middle class.

Lets break it down by party here:

IN 2004: Republicans tended to be over 45 , middle to upper class, not a union member, work full time, have a high school degree but no doctorate, be e conservative Christian, attend church often, have served in the military, be married, have kids, be straight, own a gun, and think the most important issues were taxes, the war on Terror, and moral values.
Democrats tended to be under 45, lower middle class to poor, be jewish or an athiest, work full time, have either no high school degree or a doctorate, be a liberal, attend church less than once a year, never served in the armed forces, be single, not have kids, sympathize with gay rights, not own a gun, and think the most important issues were education, the economy, and health care.

Missed the point. And I don't care, although I do find it amusing that 'moral values' (such an arbitrary term) could be deemed more important than education, the economy and health care.

Neither, Independant FTW!



lol, it depends. Different candidates give me different reactions. I usually fancy myself a Republican, yet I have no intention on Voting Republican in the upcoming elections unless the Democrats run Hillary Clinton.


I despise that woman.

This is like asking people to choose between Pepsi and Coke. Same product with a different label.


But coke is subtly better :D

Which is red.. which is what? Republicans? The US has their colours backwards, right? (although I guess it will be argued that they had those colours before the commies came and stole red, but what you gonna do..)

Missed the point. And I don't care, although I do find it amusing that 'moral values' (such an arbitrary term) could be deemed more important than education, the economy and health care.

"Moral values" is ambiguous. Health care, economic justice, and the war could definitely have been moral concerns; if I recall correctly, a number of polls indicated exactly that.

May I remind you that in 2004 Bush won 48% percent of the female vote

Doesn't that mean Kerry got 52%?

Doesn't that mean Kerry got 52%?

if there happened to be only two candidates

while there were two (three if you count green/ralph nader) major parties/candidates on the whole national level, some states had more then that based on how each states polling works and who was able to meet their required regulations to be on the states poll.

if there happened to be only two candidates

while there were two (three if you count green/ralph nader) major parties/candidates on the whole national level, some states had more then that based on how each states polling works and who was able to meet their required regulations to be on the states poll.

Ah, right, other parties.

Doesn't that mean Kerry got 51%?

I think the Republicans are cooler, because of the image they cultivate.

that's an interesting choice of name you've got there...

I think the Republicans are cooler, because of the image they cultivate. The "typical" Republican is supposed to be a hardworking, ruggedly individualistic "man's man" who owns a gun, drinks beer, has a pickup truck, and has a family. He'll be right there to stand up for you if you are attacked, and he is patriotic.

On the other hand, the "typical" Democrat emanates the image of someone who complains a lot, believes ridiculous conspiracy theories, eats organic food, or is a vegetarian. He is spoiled, not very patriotic, and basically a complete pussy.

I'm not saying these stereotypes are necessarily true, but they are the stereotypes that I have come to associate the Democrats and Republicans with. I'm not here to start an argument about the respective parties' policies, although if anyone wants to debate about that, I'll be more than happy to oblige them. Anyway, vote in my poll, and if you hate both Democrats and Republicans, just vote for the one you hate least. If you hate them both equally, just close your eyes and click on randomly. Thanks.


they all suck donkey dick..or elephant dick...not much different if you ask me.

they all suck donkey dick..or elephant dick...not much different if you ask me.

i think you'll find that the elephant dick is larger by a considerable amount

i think you'll find that the elephant dick is larger by a considerable amount

probably goes with the wallet i suppose.

Democrats for two simple reasons.
Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.

the immage republicans cultivate is pure evil. is that supposed to be cool?

democrates were, for a while, about returning to those who need it most, some of what is robbed from everyone to perpetuate hierarchy.

all republicans have ever been about that i can see is not returning anything to anyone but stuffing as much as they can get away with into their own pockets, and not just money either, but any kind of real freedom or gratification either.

of course both are phonier then a three dollar bill when you get down to the short hairs.

greens are what democrats pretend to be. libertarians are what republicans pretend to be. and i'm green.

=^^=
.../\...

the immage republicans cultivate is pure evil. is that supposed to be cool?

evil can be cool
republicans cannot

that's an interesting choice of name you've got there...
The Clash are fucking awesome!

Rockstars support Democrats. Country stars support Republicans

I like rock better than country, so I think democrats are cooler.

Plus the guy described in the original post sounds like a wicked redneck. Hippies > Rednecks.

Who would you rather have a beer with, George W. Bush or Ted Kennedy?

(It's a trick question, by the way. GWB doesn't drink any more.) :p

Country stars support Republicans

not entirely true - i'd guess it's actually evenly split or even leaning democrat for them, actually

Rockstars support Democrats. Country stars support Republicans

I like rock better than country, so I think democrats are cooler.

Plus the guy described in the original post sounds like a wicked redneck. Hippies > Rednecks.
If I had to choose between having sex with a hippie http://shop.bostoncostume.com/graphics/00000001/8630la_l.jpg or a redneck http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/images/redneck_girl.jpg, I'd choose hippie.

The Clash are fucking awesome!

indeed they are

My typical imaginary republican is a rich guy in a suit. knows carbon emissions are fucking up the planet and doesnt care. claims to be a patriot but would rather relocate his business to china than make it safer or fairer. knows people cant live on minimum wage, but still opposes raising it, knows he can afford to pay 3 times more tax than he does, but wants a tax cut that would screw over the poorest people in the country. I imagine republicans are either rich or rednecks or religious nuts.

My democrat? wants to help the poor, make things better for everyone, maybe thinks in the long term. probably incompetent but well meaning.

The Clash are fucking awesome!

w00t!

EDIT: Notice how the thread has moved into something much cooler than the Republicrats?

I think the Republicans are cooler, because of the image they cultivate. The "typical" Republican is supposed to be a hardworking, ruggedly individualistic "man's man" who owns a gun, drinks beer, has a pickup truck, and has a family. He'll be right there to stand up for you if you are attacked, and he is patriotic.

I agree that what you describe is the "typical" image of a Republican man. However, I don't think any of those qualities are especially "cool." At least, not as I understand the word to be used. You also seem to assume that only males are Republican (or perhaps that only males are cool) which means you are overlooking a significant portion of the party.

The "typical" female Republican is sort of a held-over 50s wife. Now, I'm not going to get into whether it's good or bad to be that kind of woman, but I think we can all agree that "cool" is not the right word to use to describe it.


On the other hand, the "typical" Democrat emanates the image of someone who complains a lot, believes ridiculous conspiracy theories, eats organic food, or is a vegetarian. He is spoiled, not very patriotic, and basically a complete pussy.

For one thing, you are misusing the word "pussy." Remember, the pussy is the organ through which a baby is born. Have you seen that shit go down? That's about as goddam punkrock as body parts get. A "pussy" is an individual who is so tough that you could make him piss out a watermelon at breakfast and he'd be running a marathon before lunch.

But anyhow, I don't think your description of a "typical" male Democrat is remotely accurate. I think the "typical" male Democrat is sort of an alternative-rock kind of fellow, though with a little more accoustic flavor than one might want. He's environmentally conscious, probably rides a bike or takes the tram to work, and while he rarely finds time to volunteer he will frequently donate money to charities to cope with his middle-class guilt. He will seriously consider buying a hybrid, but will end up buying a Civic. He likes cartoons.

In terms of coolness, it should be pretty obvious that the more progressive party would better fit the classic definition of "cool," since "cool" has always carried an element of being rebelious or non-traditional. Adhering strongly to the status quo, advocating conservative sexual values, and looking fondly back at The Golden Age (whenever that might have been) are not really "cool" qualities in the classic sense.

But, then, I don't think the Democratic Party is actually a separate party at all any more. It's all just one big right wing these days. Ain't nobody cool any more. :)

Reason I hate Republicans: They're a bunch of rich power-hungry old men who use morality to gain the vote of the Christian right, and impose their views on things such as healthcare and education. They also put Muslims down as terrorists automatically, and well... you get the idea. They screw everyone over.

Reason I hate Democrats: They claim to be "for the common man", but in reality they're aligned with Hollywood stars (who just want to look cool and like they're actually helping things), feminist GROUPS, and ridicule Christianity for the sake of getting the vote from other religions, and they just whine about how the ebil Wepubwikins are cowwupting Amewica wif deir ebilness. :rolleyes: Frankly, they annoy everyone.

There is nothing wrong with being a feminist, but I would rather have MY views heard, rather than a group's. I want a Libertarian to run... or for someone to vote for Ralph Nader, just so we don't have that two-party system w've got now.

Trick question ... the answer is Ralph Nader is way cooler than either of those guys.

Reason I hate Republicans: They're a bunch of rich power-hungry old men who use morality to gain the vote of the Christian right, and impose their views on things such as healthcare and education. They also put Muslims down as terrorists automatically, and well... you get the idea. They screw everyone over.

Reason I hate Democrats: They claim to be "for the common man", but in reality they're aligned with Hollywood stars (who just want to look cool and like they're actually helping things), feminist GROUPS, and ridicule Christianity for the sake of getting the vote from other religions, and they just whine about how the ebil Wepubwikins are cowwupting Amewica wif deir ebilness. :rolleyes: Frankly, they annoy everyone.

There is nothing wrong with being a feminist, but I would rather have MY views heard, rather than a group's. I want a Libertarian to run... or for someone to vote for Ralph Nader, just so we don't have that two-party system w've got now.so much hate :(

There is nothing wrong with being a feminist, but I would rather have MY views heard, rather than a group's.
Why is being feminist incompatible with having your views heard?

Why is being feminist incompatible with having your views heard?

Democrats only listen to feminist groups, or at least claim to. If Democrats were such feminists they'd have a female candidate (other than Hilary, that is).

Democrats only listen to feminist groups, or at least claim to. If Democrats were such feminists they'd have a female candidate (other than Hilary, that is).

Feminism is dead. Women will never make as much money as men because they are a risk to employers ( they have babies). They have the right to vote. They don't want to get drafted. Feminism died with the ERA. The only strong link to "women's rights" that the Democrats still have is the pro-abortion lobby. Senators like Boxer of California have their campaigns paid for by this lobby, in large part. The Democrats do not make a big show of the lobby's influence on them because most Americans would like to see abortion restricted more than it is now.

I think the Republicans are cooler, because of the image they cultivate. The "typical" Republican is supposed to be a hardworking, ruggedly individualistic "man's man" who owns a gun, drinks beer, has a pickup truck, and has a family. He'll be right there to stand up for you if you are attacked, and he is patriotic.

On the other hand, the "typical" Democrat emanates the image of someone who complains a lot, believes ridiculous conspiracy theories, eats organic food, or is a vegetarian. He is spoiled, not very patriotic, and basically a complete pussy.

I agree. The Republicans have better propaganda.

In a stereotypical sense?

Republicans would be the soccer moms who don't let their kids do anything fun because they will go to HELL if they do!

Democrats are more likely to organize in mass rallies and end up in a massive orgy!

Reason I hate Republicans: They're a bunch of rich power-hungry old men who use morality to gain the vote of the Christian right, and impose their views on things such as healthcare and education. They also put Muslims down as terrorists automatically, and well... you get the idea. They screw everyone over.

Reason I hate Democrats: They claim to be "for the common man", but in reality they're aligned with Hollywood stars (who just want to look cool and like they're actually helping things), feminist GROUPS, and ridicule Christianity for the sake of getting the vote from other religions, and they just whine about how the ebil Wepubwikins are cowwupting Amewica wif deir ebilness. :rolleyes: Frankly, they annoy everyone.

There is nothing wrong with being a feminist, but I would rather have MY views heard, rather than a group's. I want a Libertarian to run... or for someone to vote for Ralph Nader, just so we don't have that two-party system w've got now.
I agree that the Christian Right has too much influence within the Republican Party, but let me also say that free enterprise, support for the military, and maintaing law and order (all Republican domains) have made America richer and more successful than any other nation in history.

I agree that what you describe is the "typical" image of a Republican man. However, I don't think any of those qualities are especially "cool." At least, not as I understand the word to be used. You also seem to assume that only males are Republican (or perhaps that only males are cool) which means you are overlooking a significant portion of the party.

The "typical" female Republican is sort of a held-over 50s wife. Now, I'm not going to get into whether it's good or bad to be that kind of woman, but I think we can all agree that "cool" is not the right word to use to describe it.

For one thing, you are misusing the word "pussy." Remember, the pussy is the organ through which a baby is born. Have you seen that shit go down? That's about as goddam punkrock as body parts get. A "pussy" is an individual who is so tough that you could make him piss out a watermelon at breakfast and he'd be running a marathon before lunch.

But anyhow, I don't think your description of a "typical" male Democrat is remotely accurate. I think the "typical" male Democrat is sort of an alternative-rock kind of fellow, though with a little more accoustic flavor than one might want. He's environmentally conscious, probably rides a bike or takes the tram to work, and while he rarely finds time to volunteer he will frequently donate money to charities to cope with his middle-class guilt. He will seriously consider buying a hybrid, but will end up buying a Civic. He likes cartoons.

In terms of coolness, it should be pretty obvious that the more progressive party would better fit the classic definition of "cool," since "cool" has always carried an element of being rebelious or non-traditional. Adhering strongly to the status quo, advocating conservative sexual values, and looking fondly back at The Golden Age (whenever that might have been) are not really "cool" qualities in the classic sense.

But, then, I don't think the Democratic Party is actually a separate party at all any more. It's all just one big right wing these days. Ain't nobody cool any more. :)
On the contrary, I think the stereotypical Republican is way cooler than the kind of Democrat you described. If someone broke into your house, would you want your next door neighbor to be a gun-wielding Republican or a guitar-strumming Democrat?

I tend to thing most Republican women are just soccer moms.

And when I say a pussy, you know exactly what I mean. I mean a wimp, a pacifist, someone who lets people walk all over them.

In the same sense that this image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Castle_romeo2.jpg) is "awesome," the Republican Party is easily the most awesome political party the United States has ever seen. In the same sense that this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman) is "cool," the Democratic Party is easily the coolest political party the United States has ever seen.

If the question is supposed to determine which political party I most agree with or like, however, I must answer "no such party exists."

In the same sense that this image (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Castle_romeo2.jpg) is "awesome," the Republican Party is easily the most awesome political party the United States has ever seen. In the same sense that this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi_the_Iceman) is cool, the Democratic Party is easily the coolest political party the United States has ever seen.

If the question is supposed to determine which political party I most agree with or like, however, I must answer "no such party exists."
I don't get the relevance of either one of those images to the TOP.

I don't get the relevance of either one of those images to the TOP.

The word "awesome" is often used (incorrectly) to denote approval, pleasure, and such, when the original (correct) meaning of "awesome" is having the property of commanding devotion or respect via fear or dread. Thus, the Republican Party and nuclear war are both "awesome" for similar reasons. Likewise, the Democratic Party is the most cool party, as so long as they continue to ignore any relevant issues or current events (mainly immigration and foreign policy) they may as well be frozen in a glacier for the forseeable future.

The word "awesome" is often used (incorrectly) to denote approval, pleasure, and such, when the original (correct) meaning of "awesome" is having the property of commanding devotion or respect via fear or dread. Thus, the Republican Party and nuclear war are both "awesome" for similar reasons. Likewise, the Democratic Party is the most cool party, as so long as they continue to ignore any relevant issues or current events (mainly immigration and foreign policy) they may as well be frozen in a glacier for the forseeable future.
Sorry, I didn't realize you were a literalist.

Eh, "cool" is a pretty arbitrary adjective... people in my age group are typically naive and sensationalist with a fondness for standing out and a savage ire for the establishment; therefore to my age group, the Democrats" would seem "cooler."

However, seeing as I live in Texas, "cool" is a word exclusive to those driving trucks under 12 miles/gallon. Those kinds of people are too busy dragging minorities behind their Dodges to actually know what each party stands for, and thusly they have no affiliation.

It isn't "cool" to care about politics where I live, really. The only people who voice themselves are liberals, and they get harassed constantly for it- not really because of their views, but more-so because everyone else knows Johhny Lib won't fight back.

Texas sucks, yall.

I just realized how annoyingly large my signature is.

{apologizes :rolleyes: }

Eh, "cool" is a pretty arbitrary adjective... people in my age group are typically naive and sensationalist with a fondness for standing out and a savage ire for the establishment; therefore to my age group, the Democrats" would seem "cooler."

The Democrats? "Savage ire for the establishment"? Since when?

They are the establishment - part of it, anyway.

The Democrats? "Savage ire for the establishment"? Since when?

They are the establishment - part of it, anyway.

Agreed on the Democrats being a part of the establishment. I was referring to my peer group and their dislike for authority, not any party in particular. The Texas Conservatives have an unyielding marriage to tradition (religion) and social precedent, while a liberal would be more open to social change.

On the contrary, I think the stereotypical Republican is way cooler than the kind of Democrat you described. If someone broke into your house, would you want your next door neighbor to be a gun-wielding Republican or a guitar-strumming Democrat?

i have a few points in return:

1) a democrat is more likely to still be awake and not drunk at night, and so can help you better.

2) getting hit in the face with a guitar REALLY freaking hurts.

3) a guitar is so much stealthier that a shotgun.

4) a democrat will add insult to injury by saying something like "you got pwned, noob!"

Eh, "cool" is a pretty arbitrary adjective... people in my age group are typically naive and sensationalist with a fondness for standing out and a savage ire for the establishment; therefore to my age group, the Democrats" would seem "cooler."

However, seeing as I live in Texas, "cool" is a word exclusive to those driving trucks under 12 miles/gallon. Those kinds of people are too busy dragging minorities behind their Dodges to actually know what each party stands for, and thusly they have no affiliation.

It isn't "cool" to care about politics where I live, really. The only people who voice themselves are liberals, and they get harassed constantly for it- not really because of their views, but more-so because everyone else knows Johhny Lib won't fight back.

Texas sucks, yall.

Austin doesn't.

i have a few points in return:

1) a democrat is more likely to still be awake and not drunk at night, and so can help you better.

2) getting hit in the face with a guitar REALLY freaking hurts.

3) a guitar is so much stealthier that a shotgun.

4) a democrat will add insult to injury by saying something like "you got pwned, noob!"

Well, I only drink on occasion and I'm usually up late. Like right now. And gun would work better than a guitar at stopping someone. So would a big knife. Or a bat. Who said it has to be a shotgun? The police would be called anyways so stealth is not a concern. Saying stuff like that does not make you sound very smart.

Half the people in this country didn't vote for your candidates, so what about them? "You don't give a crap about them because they're not on your side! People like you preach tolerance and open-mindedness all the time, but when it comes to Middle America, you think we're all evil and stupid country yokels who need your political enlightenment!!"

You call for a whole bunch of social reforms and programs to help the disadvantaged but you never consider the cost. If you run out of money you just turn the tax payers and say "may I have some more?" And you keep saying the education system is underfunded. Well I got news for you, numbnuts, half of my homestates budget goes to the public schools. And they're still failing and closing and laying off instructors because they say they don't have enough damn money. Well maybe if the Superindendants weren't getting payed a 1/4 million plus perks that wouldn't be happening. Maybe if we didn't have 6 assistant principles in one school - ONE GODDAMN SCHOOL - that wouldn't be happening.

You say raise the minimum wage but according to the U.S. Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics only 2.7% of all hourly-paid workers make at or below minimum wage. I know that was back in 2004, but it hasn't changed that much in 2 goddamn years. These stats don't come from some right-wing think tank, they come from the BLS (http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2004.htm).

Smoking bans are another thing I hate that Democrats pushed. This is just like prohibition. It didn't work then and it won't work now. If you hate smoking in bars so much, set up a non-smoking bar next door or across the street and steal all of the other bars business. If people really wanted what you were selling, then they'd just buy it. You can't just go around imposing your will on everyone else and pass a bunch of intrusive laws. Telling people what they can and can't think and how they can and can't act is facism.

The same thing goes for wind farms. If they were really so great people would want to invest in them and put them up everywhere. When your product needs subsidies to stay alive or compete with what's already out, it probably isn't worth it. Let the free market take it's course, even if that course is over a backwards waterfall (Anaconda, because nobody would have guessed it). Somebody will be there to salvage what's left and rebuild. Nuclear power is clean, safe, and relaible. So ease off those regulations already.

And as for the animal rights/general envirnomentalist people, do you really want us to go back to testing everything on people. Do you have any idea how long it would take to get new drugs and how many lives would be sacrificed? When I have to choose between my species and my prosperity or that of some obscure variety of newly discovered algae that we didn't know about before but we now declare endangered instead of just protected, I'd choose us and I really hope you would too. If you really think we're such a terrible thing for the planet and the world would be better off without us, lead by example and get rid of yourself. You never know, maybe someone will follow in your footsteps.

Dems need to get their priorities straight. When you put money into greenroofs instead of the police people die. In fact 2 of them just did. For years Minneapolis has been suffering and slowly collapsing under a Democrat mayor and Democrat run councils. People complain about all the problems and even try to blame things of the Republicans but you're in charge. These problems were started by you. And I don't think you will be able to fix them. Throwing money at a problem never fixed anything.

You call for a whole bunch of social reforms and programs to help the disadvantaged but you never consider the cost. If you run out of money you just turn the tax payers and say "may I have some more?" And you keep saying the education system is underfunded. Well I got news for you, numbnuts, half of my homestates budget goes to the public schools. And they're still failing and closing and laying off instructors because they say they don't have enough damn money. Well maybe if the Superindendants weren't getting payed a 1/4 million plus perks that wouldn't be happening. Maybe if we didn't have 6 assistant principles in one school - ONE GODDAMN SCHOOL - that wouldn't be happening.

Wouldn't laws limiting superintendent salarys and number of assistant principles be a more local problem? Like, something you should get the parents who elect the superintendent to handle?

Smoking bans are another thing I hate that Democrats pushed. This is just like prohibition. It didn't work then and it won't work now. If you hate smoking in bars so much, set up a non-smoking bar next door or across the street and steal all of the other bars business. If people really wanted what you were selling, then they'd just buy it. You can't just go around imposing your will on everyone else and pass a bunch of intrusive laws. Telling people what they can and can't think and how they can and can't act is facism.

How are controlling thought and restricting smoking related? And, what, does that make laws telling people not to steal fascism too?

And as for the animal rights/general envirnomentalist people, do you really want us to go back to testing everything on people. Do you have any idea how long it would take to get new drugs and how many lives would be sacrificed? When I have to choose between my species and my prosperity or that of some obscure variety of newly discovered algae that we didn't know about before but we now declare endangered instead of just protected, I'd choose us and I really hope you would too. If you really think we're such a terrible thing for the planet and the world would be better off without us, lead by example and get rid of yourself. You never know, maybe someone will follow in your footsteps.

This is just a totally random, slightly ignorant rant isn't it?

Dems need to get their priorities straight. When you put money into greenroofs instead of the police people die. In fact 2 of them just did. For years Minneapolis has been suffering and slowly collapsing under a Democrat mayor and Democrat run councils. People complain about all the problems and even try to blame things of the Republicans but you're in charge. These problems were started by you. And I don't think you will be able to fix them. Throwing money at a problem never fixed anything.

2 of them just did? Huh? What do we have to do with Minneapolis?

Wouldn't laws limiting superintendent salarys and number of assistant principles be a more local problem? Like, something you should get the parents who elect the superintendent to handle?
File it under "Don't tell me we don't have any money"
Whenever even 1/20 of a mother gets worried or a kid is put in a commercial or both, the people will lose (by having higher taxes) and the public schools will win. People usually don't campaign by saying they'll slash the budget of the bloated and dying horse that is the public education system.

How are controlling thought and restricting smoking related? And, what, does that make laws telling people not to steal fascism too?
Banning smoking is facism. So was banning booze. When the ban went into effect there were TargetMarket patrols (I'm serious) that went around bars reporting people who were still lighting up. They didn't order anything, they didn't contribute anything positive to society, they just squealed on people. Nearly half the bars in the Twin Cities shut down after those smoking bans. This is becoming the welfare state where nothing is allowed.

This is just a totally random, slightly ignorant rant isn't it?
There it is. You just proved my point. I said you think we're all evil and stupid and here you just called me stupid. A rant? Yes. Poorly structured? Yeah, rants tend to be poorly structured though. Random? No.

2 of them just did? Huh? What do we have to do with Minneapolis?You run the damn city and the mayor is more concerned about mowing roofs than funding the cops. If you lived a bit closer, you'd have heard about the lack of police hiring, the mayor's green roof plan, and the two murders earlier this week.

I want a minimal government with minimal taxes and lots of personal freedoms.

If you want something random, here it is: Once, when a Super America cashier asked me if I wanted a Speedy Rewards card I asked her if she wanted to stand on the corner in a shower curtain, sombrero, and work boots. She didn't think that was very funny. You probably won't either.

File it under "Don't tell me we don't have any money"
Whenever even 1/20 of a mother gets worried or a kid is put in a commercial or both, the people will lose (by having higher taxes) and the public schools will win. People usually don't campaign by saying they'll slash the budget of the bloated and dying horse that is the public education system.

...Weren't we talking about the money wasted on education officials that should go to teachers and kids?

Banning smoking is facism. So was banning booze. When the ban went into effect there were TargetMarket patrols (I'm serious) that went around bars reporting people who were still lighting up. They didn't order anything, they didn't contribute anything positive to society, they just squealed on people. Nearly half the bars in the Twin Cities shut down after those smoking bans. This is becoming the welfare state where nothing is allowed.

Umm...I don't think I ever went to a bar and squealed on anyone...

There it is. You just proved my point. I said you think we're all evil and stupid and here you just called me stupid. A rant? Yes. Poorly structured? Yeah, rants tend to be poorly structured though. Random? No.

You were talking about "animal rights/general envirnomentalist" Who want us to test things on humans. Something I am not, nor is anyone in this thread apparently. What does this have to do with us?

You run the damn city and the mayor is more concerned about mowing roofs than funding the cops. If you lived a bit closer, you'd have heard about the lack of police hiring, the mayor's green roof plan, and the two murders earlier this week.

I don't run anything. I live in Michigan. And, umm, murders happen everywhere, all the time. Someone probably just got murdered in Detroit, and I'll hear about it on the news in a few hours. It's got nothing to do with us.

I want a minimal government with minimal taxes and lots of personal freedoms.

...So what?

I... The "typical" Republican ... is patriotic.
On the other hand, the "typical" Democrat ... not very patriotic...


Well, that clearly settles it: you are saying that "typically", the democrats are the only ones that are not a mortal danger to the world outside their back yard, so they must be the coolest.

...Weren't we talking about the money wasted on education officials that should go to teachers and kids?
I still am. The point I was trying to make is that Dems appeal to pity. A typical strategy is say something along the lines of "think of the children" or the children are our future" to justify extravagant spending and anyone who brings up the question of how we're going to pay for it gets branded a villain who tries to rob the schools.

Umm...I don't think I ever went to a bar and squealed on anyone...
You didn't but there were quite a few going around the TC's during early stages of prohibition (because that is what it is) doing nothing but squeal on smokers. This was not constructive behavior.

You were talking about "animal rights/general envirnomentalist" Who want us to test things on humans. Something I am not, nor is anyone in this thread apparently. What does this have to do with us?
The typical lefty either supports or sympathizes with the animal rights/environmentalist movement. And I don't think militant envirnomentalism is cool. When a house or car is getting burned or a tree spiked in the name of the Environment, it is not cool. And without animal testing, there would be no alternative except to test on humans. You gotta test on something.

I don't run anything. I live in Michigan. And, umm, murders happen everywhere, all the time. Someone probably just got murdered in Detroit, and I'll hear about it on the news in a few hours. It's got nothing to do with us.
I was speaking to Democrats in general. Minneapolis is run by Democrats but whenever something goes wrong with the city, the Republicans are still blamed somehow. And murder is not at all common in more rural areas. Come to think of it, crime in general drops off sharply as you move away from dense population centers.

...So what?
That's what I think makes the Republicans cooler than the Dems. And the Libertarians cooler than the Republicans.

Austin doesn't.

My girlfriend lives in Southlake, just outside of Dallas. Do they hate homosexuals and liberals there?

Democrats only listen to feminist groups, or at least claim to. If Democrats were such feminists they'd have a female candidate (other than Hilary, that is).
As a feminist, let me reassure you: NOBODY listens to us. If the Democrats listened to feminists, I'd be a Democrat.

Republicans are.

As a feminist, let me reassure you: NOBODY listens to us. If the Democrats listened to feminists, I'd be a Democrat.


*groan* But that is the main problem of the Dem.Party!
It listens to all 47 special interest groups, it does,
and it ends up representing none of 'em -
and most certainly NOT Joe Sixpack.

Joe Sixpack is the only person you really have to keep happy.

For one thing, you are misusing the word "pussy." Remember, the pussy is the organ through which a baby is born. Have you seen that shit go down? That's about as goddam punkrock as body parts get. A "pussy" is an individual who is so tough that you could make him piss out a watermelon at breakfast and he'd be running a marathon before lunch.HAAA!!!

This so made my day!!

:D

On the contrary, I think the stereotypical Republican is way cooler than the kind of Democrat you described. If someone broke into your house, would you want your next door neighbor to be a gun-wielding Republican or a guitar-strumming Democrat?Considering that the ONLY times my house was broken into, it was broken into by ME, having misplaced my keys...

Definitely the guitar-strumming Democrat. Perhaps she would entertain me while I fiddled with the lock. No pun intended.

And when I say a pussy, you know exactly what I mean. I mean a wimp, a pacifist, someone who lets people walk all over them.Yeah, yeah... We all knew what you meant.

You were just being a sexist jackass about it.

*groan* But that is the main problem of the Dem.Party!
It listens to all 47 special interest groups, it does,
and it ends up representing none of 'em -
and most certainly NOT Joe Sixpack.

Joe Sixpack is the only person you really have to keep happy.
What about Josie Winecooler?

(note: dosuun's annoyed rant was WAY too long for me to quote all of it, so... yeah)

anyway, i plan to refute you with two posts, so here is part one:

all those things you argued against, if you look at what i quoted, it said "stereotypical republican" which if you are honest with yourself, means hard-drinking and shotgun-wielding.

wow, its like a thread museum.

see if you can dig up any threads older then this dinosaur of a thread

(note: dosuun's annoyed rant was WAY too long for me to quote all of it, so... yeah)

and here is part 2:

you think YOUR state is a mess?
let me tell you a few things about California...
you know what, actually, i don't have a week to type out the idiocies of my home state, so i'll use your favorite whine, the education system.

first obstacle to the education system is the state congress. every year, the partisan factions bicker an fail to agree on ANYTHING until they are 2 or 3 months past the deadline. then, they publish last years budget, which amazingly manages to not have enough money for any program, yet spends enough to go over the state's income, putting us further in debt.

next, because the state never has a set budget in time, the teachers are always hired on a single year basis, meaning that they are always under threat of losing their jobs. the stress results in lower job preformance, which means worse teaching.

then, because the constant threat of unemployment violates the teachers union contracts, the union is constantly at war with the school administration, undermining their effectiveness as well.

and finally, 90% of the state aged 14-20 does some kind of illegal drugs, so the students are unattentive, unintelligent, and incompetent, at best. and don't misunderstand me, i'm not referring to any minority. i live in a town where that's at least 80% white people, and these problems are still painfully obvious.

so, to review:
every deadline is missed, no-one has any money, everyone wants more money, the politicians fight each other, the teachers have to fight the government to get paid, the government has to fight the unions because no-one can admit that anything is their fault, and the children and teens that all these legal and political battles are fought over are too stoned to care anyway.

where do you live, cause i'd like to be there now...

Republicans are old and out of touch with reality, but they own guns, which is better then the sniviling teen demos. Why no libertarian option?

Progressives are always cooler than conservatives.

Meh.

Dead politicians are cooler then live politicians.

I think the Republicans are cooler, because of the image they cultivate. The "typical" Republican is supposed to be a hardworking, ruggedly individualistic "man's man" who owns a gun, drinks beer, has a pickup truck, and has a family. He'll be right there to stand up for you if you are attacked, and he is patriotic.

On the other hand, the "typical" Democrat emanates the image of someone who complains a lot, believes ridiculous conspiracy theories, eats organic food, or is a vegetarian. He is spoiled, not very patriotic, and basically a complete pussy.

I'm not saying these stereotypes are necessarily true, but they are the stereotypes that I have come to associate the Democrats and Republicans with. I'm not here to start an argument about the respective parties' policies, although if anyone wants to debate about that, I'll be more than happy to oblige them. Anyway, vote in my poll, and if you hate both Democrats and Republicans, just vote for the one you hate least. If you hate them both equally, just close your eyes and click on randomly. Thanks.


Funny I am a big ol truck driving (gmc 2500HD Diesel) drovomg I own a gun, love beer (specialy a nice dark beer) I wear a beard am about 6'3". Grown and raised on a small farm in a small town

Not only that I managed to get a lung punctured in a knife fight protecting a friend (though that friend was gay so there I deviate from the steriotype)

You know I almost fit your discription except for the family

Yet I am hardcore libertarian/dem (on some things)

Intresting

so, to review:
every deadline is missed, no-one has any money, everyone wants more money, the politicians fight each other, the teachers have to fight the government to get paid, the government has to fight the unions because no-one can admit that anything is their fault, and the children and teens that all these legal and political battles are fought over are too stoned to care anyway.

where do you live, cause i'd like to be there now...
I live in Minnesota. In a suburb of the Twin Cities. And we had a state government shutdown last year because our state congress couldn't work out a budget and pull us out of debt.

Bickering politicians? Check. Nobody working for the government getting paid? Check. Government fighting the unions? Check. Unions and incompitent leadership sinking business (the Northwest mess)? Check. Drug problems among teens (Meth)? Check.

Nice to know that no matter where you live, government is taking something simple and complicating it then screwing it all up.

ahhhhhhh, I love a good grave dig.