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OMG, it looks like the UN’s been infiltrated by a Bushevik/Kahanist mastermind and advocate of the "Sterilize All Muslims" plan who’s all for anything that kills brown people just because they worship "Allah" instead of "God."

Either that, or someone in the UN finally has the integrity, not to mention the balls, to speak the truth.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_aid

BEIRUT, Lebanon - The U.N. humanitarian chief accused Hezbollah on Monday [July 24, 2006] of "cowardly blending" in among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.

The militant group has built bunkers and tunnels near the Israeli border to shelter weapons and fighters, and its members easily blend in among civilians.

Jan Egeland spoke to reporters at Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after visiting Lebanon to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday, he toured the rubble of Beirut's southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters.

During that visit, he condemned the killing and wounding of civilians by both sides and called Israel's offensive "disproportionate" and "a violation of international humanitarian law." [Of course--the mandatory "they're both to blame" throw-away.]

On Monday, he had strong words for Hezbollah, which crossed into Israel, captured two soldiers and killed eight others on July 12, triggering fierce fighting.

"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."

pffft, what crazyness you speak of, Hezbollah are our friends

*goes back to watch Al-Jazeera*

I don’t think the people bombing Lebanon and causing those casualties should be particularly proud either.

So what do you want them to do? Stand in an open field, guns raised to the sky, and sit there as an Apache or F-16 unloads on them?

This has been reported in other threads that I have looked through but it is nice to know though.

So what do you want them to do? Stand in an open field, guns raised to the sky, and sit there as an Apache or F-16 unloads on them?
I kind of want them to comply with the UN resolution telling them to disarm. If they can't do that, then at least they could refrain from picking fights with more powerful countries on their nation's behalf.

I kind of want them to comply with the UN resolution telling them to disarm. If they can't do that, then at least they could refrain from picking fights with more powerful countries on their nation's behalf.
I don't recall Hezbollah claiming to be acting in Lebanon's name.

So what do you want them to do? Stand in an open field, guns raised to the sky, and sit there as an Apache or F-16 unloads on them?


no they should all hold new born babies and puppys and pregnant women and surround themselves with Ghandi and Mother Theresa clones ...then stand in an open field while Apache 's and F-16's unload on them .

ah, another thread that puts Israel on the same moral level as a terrorist organization and then makes wild claims that don't make sense.

Israel warns civilians to leave the area and does their best to only hit members of Hezbollah. Hezbollah kills innocent people on purpose. Why is it that this staggeringly obvious fact is being ignored by those on the left? The claim in the first post about sterilization does not even make sense. What a waste.

ah, another thread that puts Israel on the same moral level as a terrorist organization and then makes wild claims that don't make sense.

Israel warns civilians to leave the area and does their best to only hit members of Hezbollah. Hezbollah kills innocent people on purpose. Why is it that this staggeringly obvious fact is being ignored by those on the left? The claim in the first post about sterilization does not even make sense. What a waste.

Em, seriously, what are you even on ?? :confused:

Israel warns civilians to leave the area and does their best to only hit members of Hezbollah.
Maybe it would have been an idea to tell them to leave before blowing up all the roads and bridges they would need to use to leave.

ah, another thread that puts Israel on the same moral level as a terrorist organization and then makes wild claims that don't make sense.

Israel warns civilians to leave the area and does their best to only hit members of Hezbollah. Hezbollah kills innocent people on purpose. Why is it that this staggeringly obvious fact is being ignored by those on the left? The claim in the first post about sterilization does not even make sense. What a waste.


Barry your a PIMP for infidels sakes ! My how far the morals have fallen..:D

Maybe it would have been an idea to tell them to leave before blowing up all the roads and bridges they would need to use to leave.


If they leave you cant kill them. And if you leave the roads and bridges they can rearm and resupply and get reinforcements.

The object is to deal with the hezbollah shit once and for all .

but they should have took all that into consideration before they started a war .

If they leave you cant kill them. And if you leave the roads and bridges they can rearm and resupply and get reinforcements.

The object is to deal with the hezbollah shit once and for all .

but they should have took all that into consideration before they started a war .
Um, Safalra was referring to the civilians...

Em, seriously, what are you even on ?? :confused:

Morphine.

Maybe it would have been an idea to tell them to leave before blowing up all the roads and bridges they would need to use to leave.

Are you telling me that Israel somehow has destroyed all 360 degrees of the way out for all of these towns? How are the so empty then? And why do you assume that the people who are killed are not members of Hezbollah? I go tnews for ya...Israel has a pretty good intelligence network.:D

Barry your a PIMP for infidels sakes ! My how far the morals have fallen..:D

I know I Know. My morals have gone right down the tubes. Pimping indeed. Gotta gets me some chicks now.

Are you telling me that Israel somehow has destroyed all 360 degrees of the way out for all of these towns? How are the so empty then? And why do you assume that the people who are killed are not members of Hezbollah? I go tnews for ya...Israel has a pretty good intelligence network.:D
Israel has been able to bomb most of the infastructure in southern Lebanon, mostly becuase there was little there anyways. Whiel getting out of towns is easy, crossing rivers is not.

And of the people who are killed, most of them are civillians, very few Hezbollah members have died.

I kind of want them to comply with the UN resolution telling them to disarm. If they can't do that, then at least they could refrain from picking fights with more powerful countries on their nation's behalf.

How about them resolutions against Israel

And why do you assume that the people who are killed are not members of Hezbollah?
Obviously some were Hezbollah fighters. Just not the children, Red Cross employees, elderly people, Canadian nations...

How about them resolutions against Israel
Weren't they all vetoed by the US?

So what do you want them to do? Stand in an open field, guns raised to the sky, and sit there as an Apache or F-16 unloads on them?

That question reminds me of the scene from Goldfinger when James Bond is tied to the table under the laser beam, and he asks Goldfinger, "You expect me to talk?" At which point Goldfinger replies, "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!" Yes, that would be a perfectly acceptable scenario. :D

But they can hide under a rock with their heads up their asses for all I care, as long as they stay out of civilian areas. And BTW that's not just my opinion--the international community has long since settled that issue.

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol 1) (Adopted on 8 June 1977)

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/93.htm

Article 51.7: The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol 1) (Adopted on 8 June 1977)

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/93.htm

Article 51.7: The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

Thats very nice. All you need to do now I think about whether the law is just or not.

OMG, it looks like the UN’s been infiltrated by a Bushevik/Kahanist mastermind and advocate of the "Sterilize All Muslims" plan who’s all for anything that kills brown people just because they worship "Allah" instead of "God."

Either that, or someone in the UN finally has the integrity, not to mention the balls, to speak the truth.

Yes. Genocide is always the best solution. :rolleyes:

Thats very nice. All you need to do now I think about whether the law is just or not.

I thought about it for about one second and concluded, YES, the law is just.

If you can't figure that out, I submit you have a broken moral compass.

I don't recall Hezbollah claiming to be acting in Lebanon's name.

no they havent,but they sure as hell picked a fight from lebanon's
soil.

what would one have the israilis retaliate against...the people launching rockets at them from LEBANON,who apparently were allowed to dig in and set up firing positions over the last 6 years instead of disarming per un resolution 1559?

or just sit there,and get shelled?

here's a clue...dont pick a fight with someone that can easily stomp you into dirt,unless your friggen crazy...and if you are truly concerned about your fellow brethren(lebanese)dont go firing off rockets from your brothers yard,then runaway..then whine your brothers house just got obliterated.

not to complicated.

the innocent blood of lebanese is on the hands of hezzbollah,not israel.

i understand they cant stand and fight like men,they are outgunned,etc.
but to hide behind innocent people..then bitch they get hurt is beyond pathetic!

i am no israili apologist..but this strikes me as kinda obvious.

fire rockets and kidnap people unprovoked..then act all suprised your attacked..baffling how anyone can defend these pussies.

oh,and when your lobbing arty and rockets to and fro...people do tend to get killed...thats why sane people dont attack other people,because you usually get a similar responce.

So what do you want them to do? Stand in an open field, guns raised to the sky, and sit there as an Apache or F-16 unloads on them?
Wellll ... now that you mention it. :D

I thought about it for about one second and concluded, YES, the law is just.

If you can't figure that out, I submit you have a broken moral compass.

I love the way warmongerers hide behind this article. 'It ok for us to kill non-combatants becauce this law says so'. Instead of thinking about it and realising that it isn't, under any circumstances.

Broken moral-compass? You sir have no heart.

Wellll ... now that you mention it. :D

lol

or instead of the endless bullshit with them fighting the jews,and wasting resources aplenty...how about trying to use the money they waste on guns and rockets on creating a decent economy for their own country.

then the population would perhaps enjoy living in peace,and not wrongly blame everyone except those that deserve the blame.(the militants)

i suspect the average jew and average israili would get along just fine,if not for the shameless militancy of the supposed leadership.

i also cant imagine israel out of the blue saying.."hey" i'm bored,lets blast lebanon!

assuming that's true,i doubt if israel were not attacked,they would just attack lebanon for no reason.

probably wrong,but i suspect iran's behind this horror show.

probably fanning the flames in iraq as well.

UN officcial "...cowardly blending ..."yes, the UN official is rigth.. it is a Coward act.

are you surprised?

probably wrong, but i suspect iran's behind this ...Iran is giving Weapons to Hezbollah..
I do NOT have a problem with that.. since Bush is giving weapons to Israel.

since Bush is giving weapons to Israel.

Wow. That's a smart idea. :rolleyes:

I have another selection of links about stories of some of the people involved. All of them are worth having a look at, I reckon.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428423,00.html
Praying for Hummus, Getting Hamas
By Zeev Avrahami

In the 1990s, Israelis sincerely thought that peace was just around the corner. Now, the Middle East is torn apart by war. A former Israeli peace activist explains why he has laid down his olive branch and is prepared to grab for his rifle.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428391,00.html
'Hezbollah Freed Our Country'

Lebanese President Emile Lahoud, 70, tells DER SPIEGEL about how the current conflict is affecting his country, the role of the Lebanese army and his relationship with Shiite militia Hezbollah.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428541,00.html
"Please Don't Ask any more Questions"
By Ulrike Putz in Sidon, Lebanon

Israel has been bombing southern Lebanon for 12 days, hitting mostly just civilians. Even children. While the intensive-care unit in Tyre can handle their physical wounds, their spiritual injuries go untreated.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428488,00.html
Germany Agonizing About Middle East Role
By David Crossland in Berlin

The Middle East crisis has plunged Germany into an anguished debate about whether it should send troops to Israel's border as part of a possible international force. Rather than engage on a dangerous mission bristling with sensitivity over the Holocaust, Germany would prefer to help negotiate a prisoner swap between Israel and Hezbollah, say analysts. After all, it has done so before.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,428447,00.html
"There Can No Longer Be a Hezbollah"

In a SPIEGEL interview, Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, 48, discusses Israel's bombing attacks on Lebanon, a weak Lebanese government that has been unable to contain Hezbollah and the roles played by Syria and Iran in the current conflict.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428245,00.html
Why Israel's Reaction is Right
By Matthias Küntzel

The natural reaction to the current violence in the Middle East is one of horror. It's time for a cease-fire, right? Not necessarily. Pacifism would only help the radicals.

I kind of want them to comply with the UN resolution telling them to disarm. If they can't do that, then at least they could refrain from picking fights with more powerful countries on their nation's behalf.

a pro-israeli demanding UN resolutions are adhered to? :p :p :p

you couldnt make it up!!!

So what do you want them to do? Stand in an open field, guns raised to the sky, and sit there as an Apache or F-16 unloads on them?
That's what the Spartans would have done.

That's what the Spartans would have done.and that is why they were anihilated ;)

same thing with the Dodos.

I like this guy now. At least someone is finally seeing the truth that terrorist have been hiding among the populace for years and stashing civilians on top or with them to make the enemy(Israel) seem overaggressive.

I like this guy now. At least someone is finally seeing the truth that terrorist have been hiding among the populace for years and stashing civilians on top or with them to make the enemy(Israel) seem overaggressive.
No one has ever denied that.

I love the way warmongerers hide behind this article. 'It ok for us to kill non-combatants becauce this law says so'. Instead of thinking about it and realising that it isn't, under any circumstances.

Broken moral-compass? You sir have no heart.

And you, sir, remind me of a joke:

Q: How many Islamofascist apologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: It doesn't matter--they'll never see the light anyway :p

And you, sir, remind me of a joke:

Q: How many Islamofascist apologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: It doesn't matter--they'll never see the light anyway :p
Wow thats got to be the oldest policial party joke remade I have ever seen

Usualy even laugh at bad jokes, but even I have my standards

And you, sir, remind me of a joke:

Q: How many Islamofascist apologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: It doesn't matter--they'll never see the light anyway :p
:rolleyes:

I love the way, with you, anyone who denounces genocide is an "Islamofascist apologist." Tell me, have you gotten used to typing that catch phrase by now, or do you have it on your desktop and just copy and paste it over and over?

Also, tell me, has anyone, anywhere, ever been intimidated into silence by that cutting little put-down?

Don't use that word..."Islamofascist". It's wrong, it's a made-up word, it's a gross perversion of political ideas and symbols.

Don't use that word..."Islamofascist". It's wrong, it's a made-up word, it's a gross perversion of political ideas and symbols.
But...but...that's what makes it propaganda! I mean, how can you have propaganda if you don't first have misleading bullshit?

Don't use that word..."Islamofascist". It's wrong, it's a made-up word, it's a gross perversion of political ideas and symbols.

Yes but if New Mitanni and the other bigots use the word "Islam" they get branded as being ... well... bigots.

And they want to be seen as "having the courage to speak the truth" instead.

Iran is giving Weapons to Hezbollah..
I do NOT have a problem with that.. since Bush is giving weapons to Israel.

Yet another person who makes the grave error of believing the following:

Hezbollah equals Israel in morality
American equals Iraq in morality

monsterously insane

OMG, it looks like the UN’s been infiltrated by a Bushevik/Kahanist mastermind and advocate of the "Sterilize All Muslims" plan who’s all for anything that kills brown people just because they worship "Allah" instead of "God."

Either that, or someone in the UN finally has the integrity, not to mention the balls, to speak the truth.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060724/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_fighting_aid

BEIRUT, Lebanon - The U.N. humanitarian chief accused Hezbollah on Monday [July 24, 2006] of "cowardly blending" in among Lebanese civilians and causing the deaths of hundreds during two weeks of cross-border violence with Israel.

The militant group has built bunkers and tunnels near the Israeli border to shelter weapons and fighters, and its members easily blend in among civilians.

Jan Egeland spoke to reporters at Larnaca airport in Cyprus late Monday after visiting Lebanon to coordinate an international aid effort. On Sunday, he toured the rubble of Beirut's southern suburbs, a once-teeming Shiite district where Hezbollah had its headquarters.

During that visit, he condemned the killing and wounding of civilians by both sides and called Israel's offensive "disproportionate" and "a violation of international humanitarian law." [Of course--the mandatory "they're both to blame" throw-away.]

On Monday, he had strong words for Hezbollah, which crossed into Israel, captured two soldiers and killed eight others on July 12, triggering fierce fighting.

"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."


OH NOES!!111!! TEH HORROR!!!111!!!!


Maybe he's wisening up a little since that Izzy bomb razzed him in his sleep?

;)

:rolleyes:

I love the way, with you, anyone who denounces genocide is an "Islamofascist apologist." Tell me, have you gotten used to typing that catch phrase by now, or do you have it on your desktop and just copy and paste it over and over?

Also, tell me, has anyone, anywhere, ever been intimidated into silence by that cutting little put-down?

The only "genocide" in issue here is on the part of the moolah-cracy in Iran and their henchmen in the "Party of Allah", who are on record as calling for the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jews.

And you remain an Islamofascist apologist. Wake up before it's too late.

The only "genocide" in issue here is on the part of the moolah-cracy in Iran and their henchmen in the "Party of Allah", who are on record as calling for the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jews.

And you remain an Islamofascist apologist. Wake up before it's too late.

Iran is nuts. Enough said. We will eat them soon enough if they push us.....

Islamofascist is a great term. We are not at war with terrorism. Terrorism is a tactic...of the Islamofascists. Saying we at at war on terrorism is like saying in World War II we were at war with the blitz. We are at war with fundamentalist Islam.

The only "genocide" in issue here is on the part of the moolah-cracy in Iran and their henchmen in the "Party of Allah", who are on record as calling for the destruction of Israel and the extermination of the Jews.
Oh, so we're not talking today about the genocide of all Muslims that YOU advocate so often?

And you remain an Islamofascist apologist. Wake up before it's too late.
From Merriam-Webster:
apologist

One entry found for apologist.
Main Entry: apol·o·gist
Pronunciation: &-'pä-l&-jist
Function: noun
: one who speaks or writes in defense of someone or something

Kindly quote any post of mine from any thread in which I have defended -- or otherwise excused or made allowances for -- any terrorist, terrorist group, or terrorist act by anyone, Muslim or otherwise. I'll wait.

Oh, so we're not talking today about the genocide of all Muslims that YOU advocate so often?

Advocating the eradication of the evil political ideology known as Islam is as distinct from advocating the eradication of all adherents thereof as advocating the eradication of Nazism is from advocating the eradication of all Germans. Your argument is specious, and your casual use of "genocide" is offensive as well as intellectually bankrupt.

Furthermore, your constant defense of the evil political ideology that is Islam and your endless attempts to explain away the very words of that creed that reveal it to be aggressive, bloodthirsty, cruel, oppressive and misogynistic, and the very words and deeds of its so-called prophet that show him to be a man of violence, lust and generally bad character, in fact render you an apologist for Islamofascism. There's no use denying it.

Advocating the eradication of the evil political ideology known as Islam is as distinct from advocating the eradication of all adherents thereof as advocating the eradication of Nazism is from advocating the eradication of all Germans. Your argument is specious, and your casual use of "genocide" is offensive as well as intellectually bankrupt.

Calling a religion a "evil political ideology" is offensive as well as intellectually bankrupt.

So is the idea that there is any way to "eradicate" a religion in any way but genocide. I mean what then is your plan? Convert them to Christianity? That won't take. Force them to convert at gunpoint? Most would choose death. That's because religions have more importance to people than "evil political ideologies."

But hey, I don't mean to say that you're a total fuckin' hypocrite. ;)

Furthermore, your constant defense of the evil political ideology that is Islam and your endless attempts to explain away the very words of that creed that reveal it to be aggressive, bloodthirsty, cruel, oppressive and misogynistic, and the very words and deeds of its so-called prophet that show him to be a man of violence, lust and generally bad character, in fact render you an apologist for Islamofascism. There's no use denying it.

Ha! Yes, if you defend Islam, you are an "apologist" for "Islamofascism."

Anyone who doesn't hate Islam (as you do) is an "apologist."

I think you're an idiot.

Advocating the eradication of the evil political ideology known as Islam is as distinct from advocating the eradication of all adherents thereof as advocating the eradication of Nazism is from advocating the eradication of all Germans. Your argument is specious, and your casual use of "genocide" is offensive as well as intellectually bankrupt.

Furthermore, your constant defense of the evil political ideology that is Islam and your endless attempts to explain away the very words of that creed that reveal it to be aggressive, bloodthirsty, cruel, oppressive and misogynistic, and the very words and deeds of its so-called prophet that show him to be a man of violence, lust and generally bad character, in fact render you an apologist for Islamofascism. There's no use denying it.
You got deleted for this sort of thing before, and I can make it happen again.

You will not demonise any specific group of people, purely on the basis of their shared characteristic.

Israel has been able to bomb most of the infastructure in southern Lebanon, mostly becuase there was little there anyways. Whiel getting out of towns is easy, crossing rivers is not.

And of the people who are killed, most of them are civillians, very few Hezbollah members have died.

I do hate to say this but if there's a non-biased source confirming this without input from Hezbollah doctors then maybe it will be more believable.

yes, the UN official is rigth.. it is a Coward act.

are you surprised?

Nope considering you ignored that little line in condemning Israel's action.

And you, sir, remind me of a joke:

Q: How many Islamofascist apologists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: It doesn't matter--they'll never see the light anyway :p

I like that one.

Iran is nuts. Enough said. We will eat them soon enough if they push us.....

Are you insane?