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Well, who do you think it is. I am going to say my favourite is Neil Pert from Rush. He is so damn talented and how about his big ol drum set? mmmm Love it!

I will put up a list of a few drummers I can think of off the top of my head. Of course you can choose someone else, from any genre, dead or alive, from any time period.

The guy from Def Leopard with only one arm.

The guy from Def Leopard with only one arm.


Oh man! How could I forget about him! Rick allen rocks! I mean, who else can drum that well with just one arm? That is skill!

keith moon.

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Oy.

First of all, your thread title should specify ROCK drummers. Max Roach, Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich (and legions of others) could easily do things none of the people in your poll can do. Not to mention you've excluded percussionists who don't play set (steel drummers, marimba players, African drummers, Cuban drummers, etc.)

Secondly, and I keep wondering why this needs to be said, you can't come up with a "best" on a topic so completely subjective. Why not just say "who's your favorite"? Not only will it make more sense, it'll stop some arguments before they even start.

As for my favorite ROCK drummer, I'll go with Stewart Copeland. Diversity, bitches.

Neil Peart on technical skill alone. Plus, he can write lyrics ^.^

Danny Carey from TOOL is pretty awesome. Listen to the drumming on the Title track of Aenima.

Ringo Starr had great timing.

Danny Carey from TOOL is pretty awesome. Listen to the drumming on the Title track of Aenima.
Good call.

Ringo Starr had great timing.
Paul McCartney was a better drummer than Rungo Starr...

Neil Peart on technical skill alone. Plus, he can write lyrics ^.^

And his lyrics are as good as his drumming, which says a lot about the man.

The late Buddy Rich.

For drummers alive, probably Dave Weckl.

Oy.

First of all, your thread title should specify ROCK drummers. Max Roach, Gene Krupa and Buddy Rich (and legions of others) could easily do things none of the people in your poll can do. Not to mention you've excluded percussionists who don't play set (steel drummers, marimba players, African drummers, Cuban drummers, etc.)

Secondly, and I keep wondering why this needs to be said, you can't come up with a "best" on a topic so completely subjective. Why not just say "who's your favorite"? Not only will it make more sense, it'll stop some arguments before they even start.

As for my favorite ROCK drummer, I'll go with Stewart Copeland. Diversity, bitches.

Thank you, Intangelon. Buddy Rich was a monster on the drums. He did so much more than keep time and throw in a few fills here and there.

Paul McCartney was a better drummer than Rungo Starr...

Reporter 'John, John, is Ringo the best drummer in the world?
Lennon 'He's not even the best drummer in the Beatles'

:D

Paul McCartney was a better drummer than Rungo Starr...
Maybe. But I was talking about Rungo's brother, Ringo.

Anyway, notice I didn't say he was a good drummer. Just that he had excellent timing.

Starr had timing???

Like a metronome that has fallen from the 101th floor.

Starr had timing???

Like a metronome that has fallen from the 101th floor.
Quote Paul McCartney, "his (Ringo) timing was absolutely impeccable."

Quote Paul McCartney, "his (Ringo) timing was absolutely impeccable."


The World's greatest bass player about the World's greatest drummer.

Don't worry, the Beatles rocked the way they were.
It's not all about virtuosity on one's instrument.

The World's greatest bass player about the World's greatest drummer.

Don't worry, the Beatles rocked the way they were.
It's not all about virtuosity on one's instrument.

What. The. Fuck.

Geddy Lee could smoke McCartney any day of the week. Same goes for Neil over Ringo. Keith Moon's better, too.

keith moon.

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Seconded.

Danny Carey from TOOL is pretty awesome. Listen to the drumming on the Title track of Aenima.


Yeah. He is pretty awesom. Hey, I heard (dunnoi that it is true necessarily), that when that guy drums, hje is casting spells on you. Apparently, he drums in certain patterns that basically amounts to putting spells on listeners. Is this true?

This is completely ridiculous. No Keith Moon? Poll disqualified.

What. The. Fuck.

Geddy Lee could smoke McCartney any day of the week. Same goes for Neil over Ringo. Keith Moon's better, too.
This is why the argument's pointless.

Ringo was the one who the other Beatles consulted about tempi for their songs. Was he the most technically adroit? No. Fastest? No, and so what. But he was indeed very good at timekeeping and staying the hell out of the way. If all you want to hear is drums, then Ringo is clearly not your man. If you want to hear seamless integration and unpretentious timekeeping, listen closely to Ringo.

Mick Fleetwood would have been a nice addition to the poll, too.

And Buddy Rich is Neil Peart's idol. Peart loves Buddy Rich.

While Ian Paice doesn't get nearly enough attention (he's one of very few drummers with an identifiable sound - Moon had that, too), I have to vote Peart. There's nothing that man can't do with drums.

This is completely ridiculous. No Keith Moon? Poll disqualified.

Hey, at least I mentioned him. :p

This is why the argument's pointless.

Ringo was the one who the other Beatles consulted about tempi for their songs. Was he the most technically adroit? No. Fastest? No, and so what. But he was indeed very good at timekeeping and staying the hell out of the way. If all you want to hear is drums, then Ringo is clearly not your man. If you want to hear seamless integration and unpretentious timekeeping, listen closely to Ringo.

You're 100% correct. And that's why Peart and Moon can smoke his ass, because they've had impeccable timing, seamless integration, and some of the best fills ever.

Watch the Rush in Rio DVD (at least a clip or two) to see what I mean about Peart. An entire six-minute-plus song that's a drum solo (that's also in not any way pretentious or instrumental masturbation)? Jesus Fucking Christ.

I don't know enough about the technicailities of drumming to really have an opinion on this.... plus no one pays attention to drummers.

Oh! What do you call someone that hangs out with musicains?





A drummer.

I don't know enough about the technicailities of drumming to really have an opinion on this.... plus no one pays attention to drummers.

Oh! What do you call someone that hangs out with musicains?





A drummer.

*sigh*

Need I direct you to a youtube video of Peart (or Moon) doing his stuff?

*sigh*

Need I direct you to a youtube video of Peart (or Moon) doing his stuff?
No. But the joke exists not because of Peart, but because the average non-session drummer is pretty musically clueless.

No. But the joke exists not because of Peart, but because the average non-session drummer is pretty musically clueless.

Yeah, I know. It's just kind of tiring when you hear it for the ten millionth time.

Micky Hart and Bill Kreutzman together playing drums/ other percussion.

Two drummers at once in a rock band adding to rather than detracting from the performance. Kreutzman especially explored some interesting aspects of percussion.

Josh Freese.

"He's been hailed "The Bruce Lee Of Drums" and was recently presented with the key to Los Angeles when the Mayor declared July 24th "Josh Freese Day" in Los Angeles."
http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Josh_Freese.html

For most interesting personality of drummer I have to say Animal from the muppets;) :)

You're 100% correct. And that's why Peart and Moon can smoke his ass, because they've had impeccable timing, seamless integration, and some of the best fills ever.

Watch the Rush in Rio DVD (at least a clip or two) to see what I mean about Peart. An entire six-minute-plus song that's a drum solo (that's also in not any way pretentious or instrumental masturbation)? Jesus Fucking Christ.

Bill Kreutman and Mickey Hart drum duet on the Grateful Dead album '...Go to Nassau' is pretty feckin awesome...

EDIT: Bollocks, beaten to it :D

Nicko McBrain of Iron Maiden and Phil Rudd of AC/DC are also accomplised drummers. Phil's a lot like Neil of Rush, in that they'll fill for any time you need without repeating, are quick on the pickup in jamming. Nicko is accomplished as well, does more than Metal Drumming, and doesn't use two bass pedals. :D

Of those disucssed, Peart.

Then maybe Bonham or Carey.

Surprised no one mentioned Lars Ulrich.

Danny Carey for the win.

Bill Kreutman and Mickey Hart drum duet on the Grateful Dead album '...Go to Nassau' is pretty feckin awesome...

EDIT: Bollocks, beaten to it :D


Ahh another true believer!

Ian Paice, Keith Moon, Ginger Baker from Cream, and Bill Ward from Black Sabbath. Neil Peart is, like everyone in Rush, talented but overrated. Same with Bonham, but h is better than Peart.

Ahh another true believer!

Damn straight :D

I actually only got into the Dead caus of another poster on this board, Eut. He waxed lyrical about them, went out and bought Go To Nassau the next day.

So damn good :D

Thank you, Intangelon. Buddy Rich was a monster on the drums. He did so much more than keep time and throw in a few fills here and there.


Buddy Rich vs Animal on the drums video

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/buddyrichmuppet1.html

Gotta also credit Ron Bushy of Iron Butterfly for really popularising drums as a showcase instrument instead of mere timekeeper in a rock band.

I'd say Scott Travis.

*sigh*

Need I direct you to a youtube video of Peart (or Moon) doing his stuff?
plz, k thanks

keith moon.

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agreed

Best drummer I've seen personally:

Chris Corsano (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRBMXgHPM9o&mode=related&search=)

Some of you might be surprised to know, but Frank Zappa was an accomplished drummer.
It was the first instrument he learnt and as a result his arrangements and compositions for percussion could be extremely complex.
Listen to The Black page, with it's Terry Bozzio drum solo, for an perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Also, as a result, Zappa used nearly always Jazz or classically-trained drummers cause they were the only ones who could cope with the complexity he demanded.

Which leads us to a thought: If someone of Zappa's musical talent would only consider Jazz musicians for his drummers, is it not maybe a moot point as to who is the best drummer if we don't consider any Jazz ones?

Yeah. He is pretty awesome. Hey, I heard (dunnoi that it is true necessarily), that when that guy drums, he is casting spells on you. Apparently, he drums in certain patterns that basically amounts to putting spells on listeners. Is this true?
Sounds a bit suss, that.
He does drum in a pretty complex and difficult way, though. He does a 4/3 beat often, which is damn hard to master. Perhaps the 'spell casting' refers to the rythym he adopts which (using suposition here) might be in the same range as some particular natural human rythym. Thus listeners start getting in sync with his drumming. maybe. I dunno. It could be all shite of course.
Still is a bloody great drummer, regardless.

There's a couple of excellent drum solos of his floating about on the 'net btw which are worth listening to.

Damn straight :D

I actually only got into the Dead caus of another poster on this board, Eut. He waxed lyrical about them, went out and bought Go To Nassau the next day.

So damn good :D

Probably the best recordings of the dead are pirate recordings of concerts. Pirate recordings in this case is a misnomer though as the band encouraged fans to record concerts. They had a special roped off area for those who wished to record and the sound men were always open and friendly to those wishing to record the concert before it started. They usually allowed the pirates to put mocs where they wished (at pirates own risk) and were helpful with levels etc. A very refreshing attitude from a road band to say the least and some very very good pirate tapes exist out there if you just ask around.

Probably either Art Blakely or Al Foster.

Here's my list. There are probably some names here you will not recognize. I stayed entirely within rock for my choices.

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. Bill Bruford (King Crimson, Yes)
3. Carl Palmer (ELP)
4. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
5. Prarie Prince (The Tubes)
6. Danny Carey (Tool)
7. Keith Moon (The Who)
8. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa, session musician)
9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
10. Joe X. Dube (Starz)

1. Keith Moon.
2. John Bohnam.
3. Bill Ward
4. Ginger Baker.
5. Nick Mason
6. Ringo Starr
7. Charlie Watts
8. Neil Pert.
9. Lars Ulrich (pre-black album)
10. Mike Borden
11. Dave Grohl.
12. somone else Im probably forgetting.

Paul McCartney was a better drummer than Rungo Starr...


No he wasnt.

Paul was an adequete drummer, and even a good one.
But he didnt have Ringo's sense of timing, or use of off-beats like on "Ticket to Ride", and such.

No disrespect to McCartney....he was easily the most talented musician in that band.

Best drummer ever!

http://www.fifedrum.org/webring/spiritof76_medium.jpg

4. Ginger Baker.

Good call.

My vote would have to go to Danny Carey from Tool....although I'm a big fan of Matthew McDonough from Mudvayne as well.

Good call.


You cant have a "best drummer" poll without Baker.

The absolute best drummer of all time? Howard Grimes, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Think about it, what do you need in a drummer? A perfect beat - none of that fancy stuff.

Charlie Watts would come a close second.

I've always said that Neil Pert was one bad ass drummer. Best Rock Drummer who's ever played.

You cant have a "best drummer" poll without Baker.


You asked for me?

(Joke being, my name's Baker...)

The absolute best drummer of all time? Howard Grimes, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Think about it, what do you need in a drummer? A perfect beat - none of that fancy stuff.

Charlie Watts would come a close second.
Good call on Watts. Like Starr, he's not flashy, but he's the perfect sound and style for the band he's in.

You're 100% correct. And that's why Peart and Moon can smoke his ass, because they've had impeccable timing, seamless integration, and some of the best fills ever.

Watch the Rush in Rio DVD (at least a clip or two) to see what I mean about Peart. An entire six-minute-plus song that's a drum solo (that's also in not any way pretentious or instrumental masturbation)? Jesus Fucking Christ.
You speak like I've never heard of Peart. I have. He's among the greatest. I'm merely defending a great drummer in his own right. Drumming isn't about "smoking someone's ass", it's about musicality and integration. Ringo's not a soloist, and has never claimed to be.

Yeah, I know. It's just kind of tiring when you hear it for the ten millionth time.
That's why you learn to shrug it off or deflect it in some way. Trying to correct someone lame enough to tell that joke is a waste of energy.

I forgot a great studio drummer, Jeff Porcaro. Dead, like Moon, but still a consummate session player.

Ken Owen or Mick Harris.

You asked for me?

(Joke being, my name's Baker...)Wow, what an interesting first name. :D

Oh man! How could I forget about him! Rick allen rocks! I mean, who else can drum that well with just one arm? That is skill!
He didn't always have one arm...
But i agree

That's why you learn to shrug it off or deflect it in some way. Trying to correct someone lame enough to tell that joke is a waste of energy.

Allow me to add bad drum joke #2 here.


An anthropologist was studying an aboriginal tribe in their village far up the Orinoco river.
From two miles downstream her guide pointed out the drums steady beat from the village
Boom Boom Buh Boom Boom Boom Buh Boom Boom Boom Buh Boom on and on it went never ceasing.

A week into her two week visit the drums had never wavered

Boom Boom Buh Boom Boom Boom Buh Boom Boom Boom Buh Boom

She used her guide a a translator to ask if the drums ever stopped.

He replied "The holy man of the tribe says that it is very very bad if the drums stop. Bad for him, you, everyone.

After another week the anthropologist is ready to make her way back down the Orinoco and has said her good byes and is climbing into the boat.

Boom Boom Buh Boom Boom Boom Buh Boom Boom Boom Buh ....silence.

Frightened she asks her worried guide to ask what will happen since the drums stopped

The guide quickly asks and when he gets the answer he wails "Oh God NOOOOO!!'

"What is it? " asks the anthropologist "What is going to happen now that the drums have stopped?!?!"


The guide tells her the dreaded truth.

"Bass solo"

My top five drummers:

1. Dave Grohl - good drummer, always does it with a smile on his face, overall nice guy
2. John Bonham - great drummer. Nuff said.
3. Dasha Sless-Kittain (from Regulatorwatts) - great energy, technically good, unfortunately unknown
4. Bill Bruford - good drummer, great timing
5. Doug Sharin (from June of 44) - similar to Sless-Kittain, more jazzy, accomplished jazz/rock drummer, unfortunately unknown


I have chosen drummers from my collection of CD's and so there probably are people I have overlooked but this is my top 5 :cool:

I forgot a great studio drummer, Jeff Porcaro. Dead, like Moon, but still a consummate session player.
still a consummate session player?
what, even now?

All this talk about Keith Moon reminds me: Anyone knows what happened to that 'Who' movie that was being bandied about a few months back?

If they ever do make it, I hope they pick Jason Schwartzman (from Rushmore) for the role of Moon. Schwartzman's a damn good actor, actually a pretty good drummer (he's had his own band for close on ten years now), which means they wouldn't need to fake his drumming on-screen.
He also looks disturbingly similar to Moon. Almost too much!
Moon:
http://www.iol.ie/~taeger/awards/moon_approved_jp85.jpg
Schwartzman:
http://www.gothamist.com/attachments/arts_rina/2005_10_Interview_Schwartzman.jpg
Kinda creepy, innit?

Still I bet they won't do it and put some big star phuqwit in the role, like Keanu Reeves.

1. Dave Grohl - good drummer, always does it with a smile on his face, overall nice guy

Wanna know who was a huge influence on Dave Grohl?

Grant Hart of Husker Du. You should check them out... He could pound the living shit out of the drums, plus he had really good timing (he played outside of the beat early on, which was freaky). He's also the drummer who pioneered using the sticks backwards (it makes for bigger sound, since the heavy ends are hitting the drums/cymbals).

Here's my list. There are probably some names here you will not recognize. I stayed entirely within rock for my choices.

1. Neil Peart (Rush)
2. Bill Bruford (King Crimson, Yes)
3. Carl Palmer (ELP)
4. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
5. Prarie Prince (The Tubes)
6. Danny Carey (Tool)
7. Keith Moon (The Who)
8. Terry Bozzio (Frank Zappa, session musician)
9. Ian Paice (Deep Purple)
10. Joe X. Dube (Starz)

Terrific list, and as a drummer I have to compliment you on the diversity of your choices.

I can say without reservation Neal Peart is the most technically accomplished drummer on the list. He has near flawless timing and an ability improvise in fills that only Carl Palmer or Bonzo could possibly match.

My list.

1. Neal Peart
2. Terry Bozzio
3. Carl Palmer
4. John Bonham
5. Bill Bruford
6. Keith Moon
7. Chris Slade (Manfred Mann's Earth Band, Tom Jones, Uriah Heep, AC/DC, David Gilmour, The Firm, and currently is with Damage Control)
8. Danny Carey
9. Ian Paice
10. Ginger Baker

Honourable Mention: Mick Fleetwood

Great legends of drumming (regardless of style) John Densmore, Gene Krupa, Panama Francis, Buddy Rich.

Wanna know who was a huge influence on Dave Grohl?

Grant Hart of Husker Du. You should check them out... He could pound the living shit out of the drums, plus he had really good timing (he played outside of the beat early on, which was freaky). He's also the drummer who pioneered using the sticks backwards (it makes for bigger sound, since the heavy ends are hitting the drums/cymbals).

Grohl always said that Bonham was his biggest influence.

Yeah, Neil's my favorite drummer. But for the record, it's spelled "Peart"

John Bonham's great too, but he's dead, so...
Alex Van Halen made me a believer in Van Halen's "Hot For Teacher" track, where he sounded like a freaking hemi.
Ringo Starr is probably the luckiest drummer of all time, he was just a mediocre drummer who managed to hop onto one of the greatest bands the world has ever seen.

You forgot Keith Moon. Rest in peace.

What. The. Fuck.

Geddy Lee could smoke McCartney any day of the week. Same goes for Neil over Ringo. Keith Moon's better, too.

Free advice: read the whole thing and learn to notice irony when it's just biting you in the butt.

Probably the best recordings of the dead are pirate recordings of concerts. Pirate recordings in this case is a misnomer though as the band encouraged fans to record concerts. They had a special roped off area for those who wished to record and the sound men were always open and friendly to those wishing to record the concert before it started. They usually allowed the pirates to put mocs where they wished (at pirates own risk) and were helpful with levels etc. A very refreshing attitude from a road band to say the least and some very very good pirate tapes exist out there if you just ask around.

Do you have any? ;)

Cheers for the advice, I've only got into them recently. In fact only read about the mic thing the other day on the wiki site about them...wish more bands were like that!

Danny Carey from TOOL is pretty awesome. Listen to the drumming on the Title track of Aenima.
Yeah, and he wasn't on the poll. Neither was Ginger Baker. Here's a link to a more complete poll. Still doesn't have Danny Carey on it.



http://www.misterpoll.com/417312393.html

Grohl always said that Bonham was his biggest influence.

I didn't say that Hart was, did I?

*looks*

Nope...

If they ever do make it, I hope they pick Jason Schwartzman (from Rushmore) for the role of Moon. Schwartzman's a damn good actor, actually a pretty good drummer (he's had his own band for close on ten years now), which means they wouldn't need to fake his drumming on-screen.


What, you mean unlike they had to do for Moon?

John henry Bonham .

I know, not rock...but as I go to see him tonight: Dave Weckl.

still a consummate session player?
what, even now?

nyuk nyuk nyuk

I didn't say that Hart was, did I?

*looks*

Nope...

Grohl is a Husker Du fan, true. But to specifically point out Grant Hart as a "huge influence" is probably a little over the top - I don't think their role as an influence on him is any greater than bands llike the Melvins or say, Bad Brains. I've heard a lot of interviews with Grohl and while Husker Du has been mentioned, I cannot recall any specific mention of Grant Hart.

Best drummer ever!

http://www.fifedrum.org/webring/spiritof76_medium.jpg

wow is that General Urko playing that fife

What. The. Fuck.

Geddy Lee could smoke McCartney any day of the week.


Dude.

Not even close.

Dont get me wrong, Im not taking anything away from any of the guys in Rush.
Every one of them are fantastic musicians.

Youre obviously not familiar witrh his music, thats the only reason why anyone says that.
Then again, only Rush fans really go on and on about one of its members being "the best anything".

Geddy is very, very good.

Hes just not as good as McCartney.


What I find strange, is that four guys who are such great musicians, write music that bores me to fucking tears.

If Rush is so good, why are they not in the same league as The Beatles, or The Stones, or even Zeppelin or Sabbath?

Why?

Becuase all the technical wizardy, and skill cant write you a good song.
That takes taste and style.
McCartney has that alllll over Geddy.

What, you mean unlike they had to do for Moon?
I meant whatever dipshit they get to play Moon in the movie.
Ah ya!!

Becuase all the technical wizardy, and skill cant write you a good song.
That takes taste and style.
McCartney has that alllll over Geddy.
It's bloody frightening to think Paul was only in his early twenties when he wrote the songs like 'Eleanor Rigby', 'Penny Lane', 'Hey Jude', 'Yesterday' etc etc etc.

What the hell?!?! Why isn't Max Weinberg up there??!?!

THOMAS LANG RULZ YA NEWBZ!!!! Check him out and decide if he's the best or not

I'm the only one who voted for Ian Paice of the mighty Deep Purple? Man, Deep Purple nearly fell out of existence. Other than "Smoke on the Water", not to many people know anything else about them. It's a hame. Such a great band. Easily the greatest British Hard Rock band. (Take that Zeppelin!) But yeah, Paice was a great drummer. Jon Lord was the best keyboard player ever. Ritchie Blackmore, what more can be said? My number two guitarist ever. Glover on bass, and Ian Gillan with the screeching vocals... man they rock.

*Goes and puts in Deep Purple's Machine Head. Proceeds to rock*

I meant whatever dipshit they get to play Moon in the movie.
Ah ya!!

My point was that they had to get Keith Moon to mime along to his own studio recorded drum tracks whenever they were filming him towards the end of his career as he was too fucked up to even hold a beat on his own.

My point was that they had to get Keith Moon to mime along to his own studio recorded drum tracks whenever they were filming him towards the end of his career as he was too fucked up to even hold a beat on his own.
Sorry.
Misunderstandings all round.
Still, you gotta admit Schwatzman's a dead ringer for Moon.
Apparently he plays quite alot in similar style to him, too.

I noticed a lot of people picking Keith Moon. Well. . .a lot of people seem to be basing the drummer on speeec and fills and solos. Truth is, they're the most unimportant aspects of drumming, but at the end of the day it can be a great top - off to a career. I mean, with moon specifically, when I listen to the Who it's like. . 'Okay, Okay, you can do fills and rolls. Now, how about a straight beat, fer fuks sake?'

My pick for favorite drummer - I don't deal in 'best' because there's no such thing - is someone I expected to see here befor I mentioned him. . .

MATT CAMERON of Soundgarden/Pearl Jam. He PLAYS the drums, the way Page played a guittar. His beats service the song EXACTLYas they shold, every time.

MATT CAMERON of Soundgarden/Pearl Jam. He PLAYS the drums, the way Page played a guittar. His beats service the song EXACTLYas they shold, every time.
Too right. Drumming is the hardest job in a band, imo. Unsung and usually get the worst groupies.
Good drumming, you usually don't hear first couple of listens. A good drummer keeps the beat and song moving, allowing the guitarists to do their job.
Bad drumming is instantly heard.

I was listening to Hendrix's 'Machine Gun' today, and the drummer on that is awesome. He keeps up pretty much the same 3-4 second beat for 12 minutes without a break and without a mistake.
That'd be bloody hard to do.
Yet nearly everyone listens to it as a great guitar song.
Without the drumming, it wouldn't be that great.

If Rush is so good, why are they not in the same league as The Beatles, or The Stones, or even Zeppelin or Sabbath?

Why?

Becuase all the technical wizardy, and skill cant write you a good song.
That takes taste and style.
McCartney has that alllll over Geddy.

Oh dear.

1: Because they don't write songs that fit easily in radio play sessions. If all of their songs were like The Spirit of Radio, they'd get just as much airtime as the bands you mentioned (all of which are ridiculously overrated and overplayed, save for Sabbath).

2: No way in hell. Don't you dare talk about style and taste when McCartney wrote songs like Sixty Four. Limelight is far more enjoyable than any McCartney trash I've heard on the radio. I mean, Paul can play and all, but his songs just blow. Sorry, they do.

Oh dear.

1: Because they don't write songs that fit easily in radio play sessions. If all of their songs were like The Spirit of Radio, they'd get just as much airtime as the bands you mentioned (all of which are ridiculously overrated and overplayed, save for Sabbath).

2: No way in hell. Don't you dare talk about style and taste when McCartney wrote songs like Sixty Four.
Yeah, well. When they write a song that has had over 3000 covers done of it, then you can start comparing them to Paul.

Yeah, well. When they write a song that has had over 3000 covers done of it, then you can start comparing them to Paul.

Well, that's what happens when Popper DJ's play their songs ten times a day for forty years.

If Rush is so good, why are they not in the same league as The Beatles, or The Stones, or even Zeppelin or Sabbath?
Because people are dumb.

Incidentally, I'd pick Billy Sheehan over Geddy Lee.

Pot, are you complaining about Rush again? You did this in my guitar thread. Maybe some people don't like Rush. Just maybe. Besides, radio play dosen't tell you if a bands overrated. I think Rush is overrated becuase I get tired of people telling me that Peart is the greatest drummer, and Lee is the reatest bassist, etc. They're not. The Beatles and Sabbath are better than Rush. Stones and Zeppelin are not. I can name a lot of bands better than Rush. They're all skilled musicians, but skill dosen't always translate to good music. That's my view on Hendrix as well.

Pot, are you complaining about Rush again? You did this in my guitar thread. Maybe some people don't like Rush. Just maybe. Besides, radio play dosen't tell you if a bands overrated. I think Rush is overrated becuase I get tired of people telling me that Peart is the greatest drummer, and Lee is the reatest bassist, etc. They're not. The Beatles and Sabbath are better than Rush. Stones and Zeppelin are not. I can name a lot of bands better than Rush. They're all skilled musicians, but skill dosen't always translate to good music. That's my view on Hendrix as well.

And I honestly don't give a shit.

its all opinion at the end of the day, each to their own, why bother fighting over it, anyway the dude out of mars volta is an excellent drummer, roger taylor is also quite good, I like his style, although if your looking for pure technique then bobby jarzombek is incredible. One thing I noticed though about Ringo is that his timing is a bit sloppy. It sounds a bit loose. I dont think its because of the heavy compression, I listened to Exit Music by Radiohead where they used lots of compression on the drums and where the timing was solid, I just think that he wasnt that good, or didnt get the most out of the kit in terms of sound, the hi hats sound terrible on most songs. In hey jude where he pounds the snare near the end, the following two kick drum beats are definately slightly out of time, played too fast. And the helter skelter drumming is really crap, given that said song is produced in a metal vein and needs some really kick ass drums, which are instead let down by meg white esque minimalism.

Pot, are you complaining about Rush again? You did this in my guitar thread. Maybe some people don't like Rush. Just maybe. Besides, radio play dosen't tell you if a bands overrated. I think Rush is overrated becuase I get tired of people telling me that Peart is the greatest drummer, and Lee is the reatest bassist, etc. They're not. The Beatles and Sabbath are better than Rush. Stones and Zeppelin are not. I can name a lot of bands better than Rush. They're all skilled musicians, but skill dosen't always translate to good music. That's my view on Hendrix as well.
Furthermore, there's no reason to believe that the popularity of a band is proportional to its quality.