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Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.
But I guess.. a diplomat like him has to be "fair and balanced"

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.

Damn Abdul really screwed with the fins on that qassam rocket this time. I guess he really screwed the pooch, err, goat.

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.
Egeland is quite right. Israels actions are appalling and condemnable.

Damn Abdul really screwed with the fins on that qassam rocket this time. I guess he really screwed the pooch, err, goat.his name is not Abdul.. its Jan.

Is anyone truly surprised by this? Fucking UN, takes them 2 week to state the bleeding obvious and then do nothing about it because the US has them by the balls *fumes*

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.
Is there someone who cares what the UN human rights coordinator thinks? Wait, I think I hear a violin ...

What the bloody fuck do people want Israel to do? If any other country had rockets fired into them, the attackee would of course try to eliminate the attacker. Why must Israel be different? I mean come on...collateral damage. These people should shut the fuck up about Israel and concentrate on something that is far worse: Darfur, Iraq, one of a million other problems. Jeez! LEAVE US ALONE! We've only been asking for about...6000 years!

What the bloody fuck do people want Israel to do? If any other country had rockets fired into them, the attackee would of course try to eliminate the attacker. Why must Israel be different? I mean come on...collateral damage. These people should shut the fuck up about Israel and concentrate on something that is far worse: Darfur, Iraq, one of a million other problems. Jeez! LEAVE US ALONE! We've only been asking for about...6000 years!
If we left israel alone it would be gone in around five seconds.

Is there someone who cares what the UN human rights coordinator thinks? Wait, I think I hear a violin ...
Hahahaahah...*dies*


*but applauses while dying*

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.


WOW!

It's a good thing I don't care about what the U.N. thinks.

If we left israel alone it would be gone in around five seconds.

No, I like his idea. Withdraw all moneys given to Israel, lets see if they can continue ploughing 9.4% of their GDP into their military that way.

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.
The terms "terrorism" and "war crimes" are being so overused as to become meaningless. People are dying, and that's sad. Labeling things does not help.

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.
Give a huge assist by the US government in this crisis:

U.S. Vetoes Security Council Resolution Condemning Israeli Operations in Gaza (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/veto071306.html)
(July 13, 2006)

United States Ambassador John Bolton said the text was unacceptable, largely because it had been overtaken by events, including the recent capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hizbollah forces. He said the text was unbalanced and “placed demands on one side of the Middle East conflict but not the other.”
And that my friends is a bold faced LIE!!

Give a huge assist by the US government in this crisis:



Good.

Egeland is quite right. Israels actions are appalling and condemnable.
So the beatings and dehumanizing of women by Muslim fascists is ok..
The millions of missles they launch everyday at Isral unprovoked is ok..
Thier actions against other countries who could really give a fuck is ok..
And their plan for genocide and total desecration of The Jews is ok..

But what Isral does is appaling and condemnable?

As a liberal, you've revoked your soul, and have no say in what is and is not moraly acceptable.

If we left israel alone it would be gone in around five seconds.
1. No, Israel wouldn't die because of withdrawal of US support. Also, the US sells arms to Israel. It doesn't give them. Who in their right mind would give away millions of dollars in equipment?
2. Israel fought several wars on its own and its first war was a bunch a bascially farmers with small arms against FIVE(I think five) established armies.

1. No, Israel wouldn't die because of withdrawal of US support. Also, the US sells arms to Israel. It doesn't give them. Who in their right mind would give away millions of dollars in equipment?
2. Israel fought several wars on its own and its first war was a bunch a bascially farmers with small arms against FIVE(I think five) established armies.
Uhuh. Take a good look at the income of Israel and come back. A good portion of it comes from the US, in both military aid and remittances.

Oh, and it got support from France and Britian during its wars of independence. And then the UN stepped in to declare a ceasefire.

1. No, Israel wouldn't die because of withdrawal of US support. Also, the US sells arms to Israel. It doesn't give them. Who in their right mind would give away millions of dollars in equipment?
Not millions, try billions?

Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US (http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html)

Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

Uhuh. Take a good look at the income of Israel and come back. A good portion of it comes from the US, in both military aid and remittances.

Oh, and it got support from France and Britian during its wars of independence. And then the UN stepped in to declare a ceasefire.
The war of independence was fought alone. Your talking about...the Suez war in 1956. ONE WAR!

The war of independence was fought alone. Your talking about...the Suez war in 1956. ONE WAR!
And the british sitting in the middle of Israel during the 1948 war for independence (obstructing Arabs all the time) did nothing? And every war following the Suez war had large amounts of US military support in both aid and in military forces. The brits trained the Israeli army ffs before the 1948 war.

And Hezballoh is not violating human rights? For crying out LOUD people, I have this saying of mine.

There is no good or bad in international politics, only national interests.

And Hezballoh is not violating human rights? For crying out LOUD people, I have this saying of mine.

There is no good or bad in international politics, only national interests.

Lovely, hopefully you'll hear that through loud speakers when an invading army marches through whatever country it is you live in and you will be able to sleep in the rubble that was your house safe in the knowledge you were right about international politics :rolleyes:

Who in their right mind would give away millions of dollars (To Israel)?ever heard of that guy..whats his name.. Bush?

Lovely, hopefully you'll hear that through loud speakers when an invading army marches through whatever country it is you live in and you will be able to sleep in the rubble that was your house safe in the knowledge you were right about international politics :rolleyes:

You know, that invading army would probably have a reason for invading the USA. Like, say, the USA wronged it in someway in pursuit of one of its national interests.

ever heard of that guy..whats his name.. Bush?
Oh pu-lease...blame it on Bush.

No American President pre-Bush has ever funded Israel?:rolleyes:

You know, that invading army would probably have a reason for invading the USA. Like, say, the USA wronged it in someway in pursuit of one of its national interests.

As I say, I'm sure this will comfort you when close friends and family die around you as is inevitable with the amount of 'collateral damage' that goes on during armed conflicts these days.

1. No, Israel wouldn't die because of withdrawal of US support. Also, the US sells arms to Israel. It doesn't give them. Who in their right mind would give away millions of dollars in equipment?
2. Israel fought several wars on its own and its first war was a bunch a bascially farmers with small arms against FIVE(I think five) established armies.

oh please, these people were just released from colonization. Do you really believe syria, Egypt and Iraq had a military force capable of taking on the Haganah.
The Israeli fighters were not farmers. Remember most of the army was made up of recently arrived European Jews, not the indeginous Jewish population. You need further proof? take a look at the who the Israeli leaders and high ranking military officers were. Ariel Sharon, Ben-Gurion, David Shaltiel ( commander of the Haganah). These men were all Europeans.

No American President pre-Bush has ever funded Israel?:rolleyes:gives Israel 13.7 million a day..

No US president has given them that much.

As I say, I'm sure this will comfort you when close friends and family die around you as is inevitable with the amount of 'collateral damage' that goes on during armed conflicts these days.

It would definantly cloud my judgement and make me hate the enemy, yes. But it does not make my statement anyless true.

PS: Collateral damage is a sad fact of war, you dont want civilians to die? Then dont go to war.

It would definantly cloud my judgement and make me hate the enemy, yes. But it does not make my statement anyless true.

Yes it does, of course there is good and bad in international politics. Your kind of thinking makes it very easy for very bad things to happen under the guise of national interest.

PS: Collateral damage is a sad fact of war, you dont want civilians to die? Then dont go to war.

This is exactly my point. Lets not go to war.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. There certainly is a PERCEPTION of good and evil. But in the end, there is only one true rule in war:

Survive.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. There certainly is a PERCEPTION of good and evil. But in the end, there is only one true rule in war:

Survive.

At any cost?

I'm not here to say anything negative about Israel. I mean you got to do what you got to do. When 6 million of your people are wiped out those survival instincts kick in and you'll do anything to keep your people safe. But enough excuses. During the war of Independance the Arabs had nothing on us. We out played them, out gunned them, and in the end we beat them. I just don't agree with the whole david vs. goliath story that is constantly told. The Arab armies were ill-equiped, poorly trained, and couldn't coordinate worth shit even if their lives depended on it. I think the same holds true even to this day. Iran and Syria can say all they want. On the battlefield Israel would mop the floor with them.

oh please, these people were just released from colonization. Do you really believe syria, Egypt and Iraq had a military force capable of taking on the Haganah.
The Israeli fighters were not farmers. Remember most of the army was made up of recently arrived European Jews, not the indeginous Jewish population. You need further proof? take a look at the who the Israeli leaders and high ranking military officers were. Ariel Sharon, Ben-Gurion, David Shaltiel ( commander of the Haganah). These men were all Europeans.
Wikipedia:
"Sharon was born Ariel Scheinermann to Shmuel and Dvora (formerly Vera), who immigrated to Palestine from Russia." Born in Israel(Palestine)
Fine, you have two out of three. But all Jews are considered Israelis and how does a Jewish person from Europe mean European support. That's like saying a Chinese Jew fighting meant Chinese support.

At any cost?

Well... there are exceptions to the rule, but otherwise yes. And by survive, I mean stay ALIVE, not try to protect your national/racial/culture/any-other-bs identity here. Us humans may be sapient animals, but in the end, we are still animals.

Wikipedia:
"Sharon was born Ariel Scheinermann to Shmuel and Dvora (formerly Vera), who immigrated to Palestine from Russia." Born in Israel(Palestine)
Fine, you have two out of three. But all Jews are considered Israelis and how does a Jewish person from Europe mean European support. That's like saying a Chinese Jew fighting meant Chinese support.

ok I messed up on Sharon:D
What I meant was some of these boys had atleast some training fighting against the Nazis, who I think would be a far most nastier opponent than the Arabs. By the way thanks for correcting me:)

you dont want civilians to die? Then dont go to war.I wonder how the 9-11 Victim's Families feel about that...

And the british sitting in the middle of Israel during the 1948 war for independence (obstructing Arabs all the time) did nothing?
they did one thing, run away some days before it start, and make israel declare indipendecy half a year before the supposed time, which make the arab states try and conquer us.

And every war following the Suez war had large amounts of US military support in both aid and in military forces. opposing to the soviet aid and weaponary for the arabs. the soviets even give them training and send some troops.

The brits trained the Israeli army ffs before the 1948 war.no, they don't most of the jewish populace come right from the holocust and never held gun before. other parts were in the freedom organizations, and get military knowledge in actions AGAINST the british. the last group were some hundreds which train by the british to aid in the world war, but they wasn't fighting force.
israel didn't aid by the british in the indipendence war.

I wonder how the 9-11 Victim's Families feel about that...

It would help your argument if that was even a war, and not a flat-out terrorist attack.

Israel is Violating Humanitarian Law

No shit.

W00T! I'm in heaven! Strawman heaven, to be precise! :D Let's see... Sing along, boys and girls!
So the beatings and dehumanizing of women by Muslim fascists is ok..Nope, it's not. Have I said it was?

The millions of missles they launch everyday at Isral unprovoked is ok..
Nope, it's not. Have I said it was?
Thier actions against other countries who could really give a fuck is ok..Huh? What?
And their plan for genocide and total desecration of The Jews is ok.. Nope, it's not. Have I said it was?

But what Isral does is appaling and condemnable? Yes, it is. You got one right! ;)

As a liberal, you've revoked your soul, and have no say in what is and is not moraly acceptable.Now who said I was a Liberal? Or that I had a soul? Are you a liberal? Hmmmm...

I do, however, condem both Hezbollah and Israel in this conflict.

You fail.

And for your next trick, you might learn to open your eyes and actually read. Have fun :)

*Watches the strawmen burn*

Reeeeeally getting bored of these types of thread now...

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.


I agree I think Hezbollah shoud be rounded up and all charged with war crimes..all the ones left alive along with their political leaders , firing rockets and missiles and hiding among Civilian areas to draw fire is a huge crime against humanity as is using human shields....but good luck getting the UN or anyone to do anything about it..last I looked terrorist organizations did not have representatives in the UN nor do they give a shit about " war Crimes "..they invented them .

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.


Not in my book. It's called retaliation for an act of war.

If the Lebanese don't like being caught between Hezbollah and the IDF, maybe they should have driven Hezbollah out of Lebanon, as was required by treaty.

Not in my book. It's called retaliation for an act of war.

If the Lebanese don't like being caught between Hezbollah and the IDF, maybe they should have driven Hezbollah out of Lebanon, as was required by treaty.
Asking Lebenon to drive out Hezbollah would be like a few poorly-armed farmers to drive out a major military force that has the backing of the locals.

Lebenon=weak
Hezbollah=strong
Hezbollah=supported by a lot of Lebenese

Israel knows that asking Lebenon to be able to do anything with it's pathetic excuse of a military would be like asking a boy to move a mountian within a day with nothing but a spoon.

What a suprize....The UN against Israel....Once again

So the beatings and dehumanizing of women by Muslim fascists is ok..

You say that as if Christians/Jews never stoned a woman.

The millions of missles they launch everyday at Isral unprovoked is ok..

Unprovoked? Laffo.

Thier actions against other countries who could really give a fuck is ok..

Huh?

And their plan for genocide and total desecration of The Jews is ok..

Its as OK as Israels plan for genocide and total desecration of the Arabs.

But what Isral does is appaling and condemnable?

Yes.

As a liberal, you've revoked your soul, and have no say in what is and is not moraly acceptable.

WTF?

Reeeeeally getting bored of these types of thread now...
Me too.

It's not as if anyone on NS General is going to change their minds about any of this.

It would help your argument if that was even a war, and not a flat-out terrorist attack.in my book It is a war.

1983 - U.S. Marine Barracks.
1984 - U.S. Embassy Awkar, Lebanon.
1985 - TWA Flight 847
1985 - Achille Lauro hijacking.
1986 - TWA Flight 840
1987 - U.S. Embassy in Rome
1993 - World Trade Center
1993 - CIA Headquarters
1995 - US Diplomats Pakistan.
1996 - Khobar Towers
1998 - U.S. Embassy Kenya
1998 - U.S. Embassy Tanzania
1999 - Los Angeles International Airport,
1999 - USS The Sullivans
2000 - USS Cole
___________________________

Its a Low intensitty WAR of attriccion.. but its still a WAR.. both sides have been trading blows for a long time.. and have crystalized with the formation of AQ.

Not millions, try billions?

Economist tallies swelling cost of Israel to US (http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html)

Since 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. If divided by today's population, that is more than $5,700 per person.

Found this during a google search.

Calculating Total U.S. Aid

Unquestionably, Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. aid since World War II. Estimates for total U.S. aid to Israel vary, however, because of the uncertainties and ambiguities described above. An Oct. 27, 2000 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report, using available and verifiable numbers, gives cumulative aid to Israel from 1949 through FY 2000 (which ended Sept. 30, 2000) at $81.38 billion. On the other hand, last year the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs estimated total aid to Israel through FY 2000 at $91.82 billion.

The CRS number surely is too low, because, although it does include such things as the old food-for-peace program, the $1.2 billion from the Wye agreement, and the current subsidy for “refugee resettlement,” it does not include money from the DOD budget, on the grounds that those funds are for joint research and development projects. Nor does the CRS figure include estimated interest on the early disbursement of aid funds. Last year’s Washington Report estimate imputes an amount for “other aid” (including the DOD) that may no longer be valid, based as it is on a thorough study of three representative years. While this year’s estimate is more conservative, the results are still shockingly high.

To the CRS number of $81.38 billion through FY 2000 can be added (with details to follow):

• $4.28 billion from the DOD; and

• $1.72 billion in interest from early disbursement of aid, for a total of $87.38 billion through Sept. 30, 2000. To that can be added the $3.22 billion detailed above, giving a grand total of $90.6 billion total aid to Israel through FY 2001. Approval of Clinton’s special request for $450 million more in military aid would push the number over $91 billion.

washington-report.org (http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/010201/0101015.html)

It should be said that apparently someone put to Egeland the question what he thinks about Hezbollah (it seems that he hasn't spoken about them much, has he?):

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/24/ap2900705.html
"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," he said. "I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."

"We need a cessation of hostilities because this is a war where civilians are paying the price," said Egeland, who was heading to Israel next.

And Hamas the PA has never violated Humanitarian Law. Hussein never violated Humanitarian Law. China never violated Humanitarian law. I guess only Israel can't?

Egeland is right that the fighting should stop but not until 1559 is fully implemented with Hezbollah disarmed. Frankly, I do not care if their political entity remains intact but their militant faction must disarm.

It should be said that apparently someone put to Egeland the question what he thinks about Hezbollah (it seems that he hasn't spoken about them much, has he?):

http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/24/ap2900705.htmllink not working for me..

link not working for me..

It's here as well:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060725/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel

And Hamas the PA has never violated Humanitarian Law. Hussein never violated Humanitarian Law. China never violated Humanitarian law. I guess only Israel can't?

Egeland is right that the fighting should stop but not until 1559 is fully implemented with Hezbollah disarmed. Frankly, I do not care if their political entity remains intact but their militant faction must disarm.
Get with the program Corny:

U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html)

ESPECIALLY this one:

U.S. Vetoes Security Council Resolution Condemning Israeli Operations in Gaza (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/veto071306.html)
(July 13, 2006)

I guess you missed my earlier post on this thread?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11425709&postcount=13

I suppose you can only joke about these things after a while...

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428289,00.html
There is a very lucrative plan for our country, Lebanon, which I have already explained to a number of my friends. It could bring us millions or even billions in revenues. Perhaps the project seems ridiculous, crazy or even surreal at first glance. But all the same I propose this commercial, political and artistic project: lease our country out to whichever group on the planet currently wishes to fight a war.

If, for example, Mozambique would like to fight Denmark, then the two could lease Lebanon for a year or more, while we Lebanese collect the rent money and during the course of the contract, live in either Denmark or in Mozambique. We can amuse ourselves and relax there, and when we eventually come back to our destroyed land, then it would be without anguish or remorse ... and we'd still be alive.

I suppose you can only joke about these things after a while...

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,428289,00.html
WOW!! Powerful stuff from the heart and oh so sad!! :(

*snipo*

Ask me if I care about the UN Veto. Guess what? I don't.

Also, that doesn't answer the points that I brought up. Always nice to see that you ignore points and repeat yourself.

Not in my book. It's called retaliation for an act of war.

If the Lebanese don't like being caught between Hezbollah and the IDF, maybe they should have driven Hezbollah out of Lebanon, as was required by treaty.


YEs indeedy!

Hell, the most powerful army in the middle east - the Israeli army - couldn't do it in 18 years of occupation.

So naturally the nascent Lebanese army should have been able to do it in a weekend!!!!

Damn, you write good comedy!

Hey, while you're at quoting resolutions - how about that pesky little one (I think it's 242) that has called for Israel to return the Golan to Syria. I mean, it's only been on the books since 1967.... if you want to point to compliance as a pathway to peace.

And Hamas the PA has never violated Humanitarian Law. Hussein never violated Humanitarian Law. China never violated Humanitarian law. I guess only Israel can't?



Right.


Point to the actions of others as an excuse for bad behaviour.




That ALWAYS works in front of a judge......

in my book It is a war.

1983 - U.S. Marine Barracks.
1984 - U.S. Embassy Awkar, Lebanon.
1985 - TWA Flight 847
1985 - Achille Lauro hijacking.
1986 - TWA Flight 840
1987 - U.S. Embassy in Rome
1993 - World Trade Center
1993 - CIA Headquarters
1995 - US Diplomats Pakistan.
1996 - Khobar Towers
1998 - U.S. Embassy Kenya
1998 - U.S. Embassy Tanzania
1999 - Los Angeles International Airport,
1999 - USS The Sullivans
2000 - USS Cole
___________________________

Its a Low intensitty WAR of attriccion.. but its still a WAR.. both sides have been trading blows for a long time.. and have crystalized with the formation of AQ.


Errrrrrrrrrrrr.... those things are all at the feet of Lebanon?



Somebody call up the Encylopaedia folks. I think they need to get cracking on their revisions!


Invoking the name of AQ is the best part though. I mean, given your notion that this is a war directed at Israel. Exactly how many actions of AQ have been directed at Israel.

Hell, while you're at it - just name one.

Ask me if I care about the UN Veto. Guess what? I don't.



Yes we know. You don't care about the UN....


.... except when you point to various resolutions being a valid reason for the invasion of Iraq, or in this case pointing to the resolution requiring the disarming of Hezbolah as an excuse for Israeli action.


In other words, you only care to cherry pick anything you think can support your position while in general sh*tting on anything else.


Such intellectual honesty is staggering!

Errrrrrrrrrrrr.... those things are all at the feet of Lebanon?



Somebody call up the Encylopaedia folks. I think they need to get cracking on their revisions!


Invoking the name of AQ is the best part though. I mean, given your notion that this is a war directed at Israel. Exactly how many actions of AQ have been directed at Israel.

Hell, while you're at it - just name one.

Actually, I think OD is pointing to the fact that we are at war with terrorism. On that list I noticed he left out the Pan Am bombing.

Ask me if I care about the UN Veto. Guess what? I don't.

Also, that doesn't answer the points that I brought up. Always nice to see that you ignore points and repeat yourself.

So, no compliance with resolutions or an end to the veto. And then sheer cheek to expect Hezbollah/Lebanon to do what Israel won't...

Ask me if I care about the UN Veto. Guess what? I don't.
I could point you to literally hundreds of posts of yours where you state ad nauseum that the reason that the US invaded Iraq was due to Saddam's violation of 17 Resolutions. Yet when I bring up the number of US vetoes of Resolutions against Israel, you state that you don't care. That makes you a bloody hipocrite. A self righteous hipocrite to boot.

From your siggy:

Raisin' up the banner of righteousness.
Yeah, the banner of self righteousness. I am sure that your God would be impressed. I don't believe that my God would be.

Also, that doesn't answer the points that I brought up. Always nice to see that you ignore points and repeat yourself.
There was no need to answer, as the answer was obvious.

Such intellectual honesty is staggering!
Didn't you mean to say intellectual dishonesty?

Actually, I think OD is pointing to the fact that we are at war with terrorism.
Freudian slip there warmonger?

Errrrrrrrrrrrr.... those things are all at the feet of Lebanon?No that is what Bush calls "War on terror" .. and what they call "Jihad"

On that list I noticed he left out ....I am sure there is a lot more than that.. from both sides..

"the truth is the first casualty of War"

No that is what Bush calls "War on terror" .. and what they call "Jihad"


Silly me. And here I thought that this thread was about the Israeli attack on Lebanon. Sorry - Didn't catch on to the fact that the discussion of that regional conflict must be measured against the current slogans instead of the actual facts of the matter.

Sun Jul 23, 10:53 AM ET
BEIRUT (AFP) - UN humanitarian coordinator Jan Egeland has condemned
Israel for "a violation of humanitarian law" as he toured ruins in Beirut left by devastating Israeli air raids on residential areas.

"This is destruction of block after block of mainly residential areas. I would say it seems to be an excessive use of force in an area with so many citizens," he told reporters Sunday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060723/wl_mideast_afp/mideastconflictlebanonun_060723145300

Sources: AFP NEWS / YahooNEWS
OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: In my book its both Terrorism.. and War Crimes.
This coming from an organization that has Yemen and Sudan on its Human Rights Council?

Spare me the hypocratic bullshit.

This coming from an organization that has Yemen and Sudan on its Human Rights Council?

Spare me the hypocratic bullshit.



Yeah! f*ck the doctors!!!!!! :p

Yeah! f*ck the doctors!!!!!! :p
Err...I guess I meant the hypocritical.

:)

Yeah! f*ck the doctors!!!!!! :pLOL

This coming from an organization that has Yemen and Sudan on its Human Rights Council?
So we have a problem with Yemen now?

Jeez, I need to do more to keep up with you people...


...or, you just inform yourself and stop with this disgusting "It's in the Middle East, so it's an undemocratic Islamic dictatorship that shits all over human rights!"

must resist... urge to... make pointless post... that restates... the opinions of others...
must stop... talking... like william shatner...

anyway, the endpoint is you all make good points.

on the arab = good side:
yes, it IS an over-reaction, israel should stop bombing and killing civilians.

on the israel = good side side:
yes, israel should have the right to defend its citizens.
yes, israel has been suffering rocket attacks pretty much constantly for the last few decades, and that must be infuriating

on the bad for everyone:
yes, they ARE creating the newest generation of terrorists by angering the nearby populace.
yes, israel is destabilizing the most progressive arab government.

but both sides positions should be understandable.

israel has been suffering from terrorist attacks since its creation. they know where the attacks are coming from, so they struck back. like america did with afghanistan and iraq.

unfortunately, lebanon is not likely to turn out better that afghanistan or iraq. "fortunately", the anger israel seems to instill in its attacks is more of a long-term seething than the immediate extreme violence the US coalition ran into face-first...

sadly, i expect to see all this in the papers again in 12 years, but with laser gun strikes.

israel has been suffering from terrorist attacks since its creation. they know where the attacks are coming from, so they struck back. like america did with afghanistan and iraq.

Israel isn't exctly unique in the amount of Terrorist attacks it has received. Most of the states in the region are greatly weakend by both the Terrorist actions within their borders, and by the military actions of the surrounding states.

I'm all for limited government, but the Lebanese state doesn't even have a significant military, it depends on paramilitary groups to defend the nation. It is not unique in the region for doing that.

sadly, i expect to see all this in the papers again in 12 years, but with laser gun strikes.news reports ..

looks like Microwave/laser/Electromagnetic/Kinetic weapons are being tested on Iraquis.