NationStates Jolt Archive

Any1 thinks they are not correlated? or are they? There is plenty of proof that the U.S stockmarket is heavily depended on cash flows from the drugmarket in order to maintain their superpower status. For more information regarding this (and to some extent 9/11) and to see what the administration is doing to the rest of America (truth is, the possibility of random action leading to the amount of money generated to the president and friend´s families while the rest of America will have an economic burdon for decades to come, taxes most likely to hit bottom up since the richest % received tax cuts) is smaller that being captured by Osama Bin Laden himself, check out the documentaries of Tillman, Ruppert (regarding Wall Street & drugs), copvcia.com etc...I can´t remember the movie about 911 which shows that the Pittsburgh crash had the wrong engine, no bodies etc...Even if you are in denial about my "leftist" agenda, are there not enough unanswered question out there for you to at least be skeptical about these matters?

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Any1 thinks they are not correlated? or are they? There is plenty of proof that the U.S stockmarket is heavily depended on cash flows from the drugmarket in order to maintain their superpower status. For more information regarding this (and to some extent 9/11) and to see what the administration is doing to the rest of America (truth is, the possibility of random action leading to the amount of money generated to the president and friend´s families while the rest of America will have an economic burdon for decades to come, taxes most likely to hit bottom up since the richest % received tax cuts) is smaller that being captured by Osama Bin Laden himself, check out the documentaries of Tillman, Ruppert (regarding Wall Street & drugs), copvcia.com etc...I can´t remember the movie about 911 which shows that the Pittsburgh crash had the wrong engine, no bodies etc...Even if you are in denial about this leftist agenda? Are there not enough unanswered question out there for you to at least be skeptical about these matters?

So, you're saying that the Republican president is part of a leftist agenda?

O.O

Well, the US protects money laundering from drug money for about 600 billion dollar a year, why? Because unlike individuals, Wall Street Money does not have to be traced...

So, you're saying that the Republican president is part of a leftist agenda?

O.O

Sorry, poorly written, I meant my text...not the family which have armed Hitler, Hussein and Bin Laden...

Sorry, poorly written, I meant my text...not the family which have armed Hitler, Hussein and Bin Laden...

Hitler? That's a new one.

Hitler? That's a new one.

Nuh uh.

Nuh uh.

Well it's the first time I've heard it anyways.

Oh, you forgot the Martians, Attilla the Hun, and Ghengis Khan

yes, correct, GWB grandfather armed Hitler...

Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:

- 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron

- 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate

- 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate

- 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet

- 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes

- 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire

- 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives

The business relationships established by Bush in 1923 continued even after the war started until they became so offensive and overt as to warrant seizure by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942.

In 1942, "Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares...

from www.copvcia.com

Oh, and he did fund al queda and the talibans until they decided to stop the poppy fields...which produced about 1 trillion dollars being put into the worlds financial machines for money laundering, of which half according to the IMF, are being laundred in the US...

Well it's the first time I've heard it anyways.

Oh, you forgot the Martians, Attilla the Hun, and Ghengis Khan

No need to put these comments on here...If you are not skeptical, how can you agree with the administration lack of willingness to answer certain questions?

No need to put these comments on here...If you are not skeptical, how can you agree with the administration lack of willingness to answer certain questions?

You're not very good at this are you? At this point you're supposed to denounce me as part of the conspiracy, and quite possibly link me to the Black Plague.

Oh, and he did fund al queda and the talibans until they decided to stop the poppy fields...which produced about 1 trillion dollars being put into the worlds financial machines for money laundering, of which half according to the IMF, are being laundred in the US...

I'm so scared of George W. Bush. :(

Son of Judah, what do we do? I'm scared for all the people that need education, healthcare, childcare, food and housing, a retirement pension. What will happen to them?

You're not very good at this are you? At this point you're supposed to denounce me as part of the conspiracy, and quite possibly link me to the Black Plague.

Why not answer the basic question instead of remedial responses?

I'm so scared of George W. Bush. :(

Son of Judah, what do we do? I'm scared for all the people that need education, healthcare, childcare, food and housing, a retirement pension. What will happen to them?

Personally I´m not a left wing person, I do believe in social darwinsism, but I am a fan of the truth, whatever that might be.

Must say this is what I mean by the people just standing aside with their remedial minds, accpeting what is thrown at them...Even though I am a social darwinist by heart, I do think people have the capabilities to improve their minds and become strong individuals...

Personally I´m not a left wing person, I do believe in social darwinsism, but I am a fan of the truth, whatever that might be.

Must say this is what I mean by the people just standing aside with their remedial minds, accpeting what is thrown at them...Even though I am a social darwinist by heart, I do think people have the capabilities to improve their minds and become strong individuals...

I've never met a social darwinist, although I strongly support Darwin's theories, and thank our Common Ancestor that evolution allow Darwin to appear at the time he did.

Please tell me more about your beliefs, and how they relate to Charles Darwin?

Oh, and he did fund al queda and the talibans until they decided to stop the poppy fields...which produced about 1 trillion dollars being put into the worlds financial machines for money laundering, of which half according to the IMF, are being laundred in the US...

Got a source?

Why not answer the basic question instead of remedial responses?

Well, what questions were you specifically referring to?

And in answer to your most recent question, because I have trouble taking any conspiracy theory seriously.

Got a source?
Regarding the funding of Al Queda.
Yes, the US government has no problem showing they supported Osama against the russians.
Nor has Carlyle group any problems with their investors, Bin Laden family. (FTW, Oct. 26, 2001, 1700 PDT - The New York Times )

Economics Professor Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa has just completed a detailed history of bin Laden's career detailing his secret funding and logistical support to terrorist organizations beginning from his early CIA-supported roots in the 1980s as a "freedom fighter" through to the present day. Chossudovsky's compelling and well documented article, Who Is Osama Bin Laden? dated Sept 12, 2001 can be found on the Internet at: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html.

What does CA stand for, anyways?

Well, what questions were you specifically referring to?

And in answer to your most recent question, because I have trouble taking any conspiracy theory seriously.

The thread mate...And regarding not being interested in conspiracy theories, would you not want answers to the questions the administration are ot willing to give? Doesnt that make you wonder? Im not stating I am right, Im rather asking the people with the answers, to give them to us...

What does CA stand for, anyways?
Go to his UNiversity instead then mate.

Regarding the funding of Al Queda.
Yes, the US government has no problem showing they supported Osama against the russians.
Nor has Carlyle group any problems with their investors, Bin Laden family. (FTW, Oct. 26, 2001, 1700 PDT - The New York Times )

Economics Professor Michel Chossudovsky of the University of Ottawa has just completed a detailed history of bin Laden's career detailing his secret funding and logistical support to terrorist organizations beginning from his early CIA-supported roots in the 1980s as a "freedom fighter" through to the present day. Chossudovsky's compelling and well documented article, Who Is Osama Bin Laden? dated Sept 12, 2001 can be found on the Internet at: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html.

Sorry should have been more specific, I want a source that proves the US financial markets are laundering $1 trillion of drug money.

$600 billion dollars is not a lot of money when it comes to the stock market; were that money to be pulled from the market immediately, the NYSE would fall only 2.9%; the NYSE's $21 trillion market cap is barely affected by such a sum. The effect of drug money on the markets, if it exists at all as part of the investments each year, is miniscule at best. Even if they laundered all $1trillion in just the NYSE (let alone the NASDAQ's $7 trillion in market cap) they would barely budge the index, and if they pulled it out the loss would be less than 5% of total market cap.

A loss of $600 billion is the amount lost in an average bad week or month on the street and far less than the decline in the index during an average bear market; those eradicate upwards of $4-6 trillion dollars by the time they reach their bottom and are fairly common events, usually every 3-5 years. Even a normal 10% bull-market correction wipes out $2.1 trillion or double the maximum amount possibly laundered.

I just don't think it would make sense to fight wars to protect such a miniscule amount of money, especially since the inflation caused by deficit spending will likely destroy far more than $600 billion in stock wealth due to the fear that the markets have of Federal Reserve rate increases. On the global scale where the world's markets have at $43 trillion in capitalization that's almost nonexistent.

The thread mate...And regarding not being interested in conspiracy theories, would you not want answers to the questions the administration are ot willing to give? Doesnt that make you wonder? Im not stating I am right, Im rather asking the people with the answers, to give them to us...

Buddy, you still haven't told me which questions they aren't answering!!!

Anyways, there is, almost by definition, a gap between what the government knows and what they make public knowledge. For example, telling everbody where the landing on D-Day was going to be would have been a bad idea. I can't really get any more specific until you do.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/28/afghanistan.drugs.reut/index.html

U.S. : Afghan poppy production doubles

Friday, November 28, 2003 Posted: 1:34 PM EST (1834 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan doubled between 2002 and 2003 to a level 36 times higher than in the last year of rule by the Taliban, according to White House figures released Friday.

The area planted with poppies, used to make heroin and morphine, was 152,000 acres in 2003, compared with 76,900 acres in 2002 and 4,210 acres in 2001, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy said in a statement.

The Taliban was cracking down on poppy production in the year before the U.S. military drove the movement out of office in late 2001 in response to its friendship and cooperation with the al Qaeda organization of Osama bin Laden.

The new Afghan government, led by President Hamid Karzai, has not been able to impose its will in many areas of the country, which remain under the control of warlords.

The White House statement said, "A challenging security situation ... has complicated significantly the task of implementing counternarcotics assistance programs and will continue to do so for the immediate future."

"Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan is a major and growing problem. Drug cultivation and trafficking are undermining the rule of law and putting money in the pocket of terrorists," it added, quoting office director John Walters.

The U.S. figures differ significantly from those released a month ago by the United Nations, which estimated that poppy cultivation rose 8 percent in 2003, to 200,000 acres from 185,000 in 2002.

The White House said the United Nations used a different method, based a mixture of ground surveys and analysis of imagery from commercial satellites.

The U.S. estimates are based on a sample survey of Afghan agricultural regions conducted with specialized U.S. government satellite imaging systems, it added.

The United States and the United Nations also gave different estimates for Afghanistan's opium production in 2003. The United Nations said it would rise 6 percent to 3,600 metric tons, while the White House said 2003 output would be 2,865 metric tons. The United States did not give a 2002 figure.

Opium production complicates the task of restoring central government authority in Afghanistan because it enables the warlords to run small armies and gives them an extra financial incentive to retain their autonomy.

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Copyright 2003 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

What´s even better, fired CIA director Deutch (fired because of the CIA drug scandals) is now a member of the board of Citibank, that bought a Mexican Bank, famous for...money laundering for drugs...Perhaps it it a a random act...I havent got any proof ot it being otherwise...

Sorry should have been more specific, I want a source that proves the US financial markets are laundering $1 trillion of drug money.

oh, sorry mate. Worldly it is 1 trillion, the US has a little more than half. Just go wo the...International Monetary Fund I believe it was...If you hold on for a few days, I can put the link up here...

Buddy, you still haven't told me which questions they aren't answering!!!

Anyways, there is, almost by definition, a gap between what the government knows and what they make public knowledge. For example, telling everbody where the landing on D-Day was going to be would have been a bad idea. I can't really get any more specific until you do.

Sorry to U2 mate, the question to answered is that if you think there might be a correlation between Wall Street, and money laundring from drugs. And regarding the D-day, is it not important for the American People to know that if Money laundring is important to Wall Street, and hence our way of life, that we know about it ?

$600 billion dollars is not a lot of money when it comes to the stock market; were that money to be pulled from the market immediately, the NYSE would fall only 2.9%; the NYSE's $21 trillion market cap is barely affected by such a sum. The effect of drug money on the markets, if it exists at all as part of the investments each year, is miniscule at best. Even if they laundered all $1trillion in just the NYSE (let alone the NASDAQ's $7 trillion in market cap) they would barely budge the index, and if they pulled it out the loss would be less than 5% of total market cap.

A loss of $600 billion is the amount lost in an average bad week or month on the street and far less than the decline in the index during an average bear market; those eradicate upwards of $4-6 trillion dollars by the time they reach their bottom and are fairly common events, usually every 3-5 years. Even a normal 10% bull-market correction wipes out $2.1 trillion or double the maximum amount possibly laundered.

I just don't think it would make sense to fight wars to protect such a miniscule amount of money, especially since the inflation caused by deficit spending will likely destroy far more than $600 billion in stock wealth due to the fear that the markets have of Federal Reserve rate increases. On the global scale where the world's markets have at $43 trillion in capitalization that's almost nonexistent.

A 3% drop straight up is not a big deal? and for Nasdaq, which apparently is to a greater extent involved...up to 50% inflated perhaps...I will come back in a few days with more hands on figured (im an economist myself). As well as remember the loaning and savings scandal...remember the timing...

$600 billion dollars is not a lot of money when it comes to the stock market; were that money to be pulled from the market immediately, the NYSE would fall only 2.9%; the NYSE's $21 trillion market cap is barely affected by such a sum. The effect of drug money on the markets, if it exists at all as part of the investments each year, is miniscule at best. Even if they laundered all $1trillion in just the NYSE (let alone the NASDAQ's $7 trillion in market cap) they would barely budge the index, and if they pulled it out the loss would be less than 5% of total market cap.

A loss of $600 billion is the amount lost in an average bad week or month on the street and far less than the decline in the index during an average bear market; those eradicate upwards of $4-6 trillion dollars by the time they reach their bottom and are fairly common events, usually every 3-5 years. Even a normal 10% bull-market correction wipes out $2.1 trillion or double the maximum amount possibly laundered.

I just don't think it would make sense to fight wars to protect such a miniscule amount of money, especially since the inflation caused by deficit spending will likely destroy far more than $600 billion in stock wealth due to the fear that the markets have of Federal Reserve rate increases. On the global scale where the world's markets have at $43 trillion in capitalization that's almost nonexistent.

Oh and read the damn, forgor his name...who came out with what the US have to do to keep their place in the world order...Control of Eurasia, gold will become increasingly more important as dollar weakens...lots more (think past the pure numbers)...But like I said, Ill come out with some numbers for you in a few days...after my vacation is over...Ill cehck your numbers too since Im not dealig with the stockmarket.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/28/afghanistan.drugs.reut/index.html

U.S. : Afghan poppy production doubles

Friday, November 28, 2003 Posted: 1:34 PM EST (1834 GMT)

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan doubled between 2002 and 2003 to a level 36 times higher than in the last year of rule by the Taliban, according to White House figures released Friday.

The area planted with poppies, used to make heroin and morphine, was 152,000 acres in 2003, compared with 76,900 acres in 2002 and 4,210 acres in 2001, the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy said in a statement.

The Taliban was cracking down on poppy production in the year before the U.S. military drove the movement out of office in late 2001 in response to its friendship and cooperation with the al Qaeda organization of Osama bin Laden.

The new Afghan government, led by President Hamid Karzai, has not been able to impose its will in many areas of the country, which remain under the control of warlords.

The White House statement said, "A challenging security situation ... has complicated significantly the task of implementing counternarcotics assistance programs and will continue to do so for the immediate future."

"Poppy cultivation in Afghanistan is a major and growing problem. Drug cultivation and trafficking are undermining the rule of law and putting money in the pocket of terrorists," it added, quoting office director John Walters.

The U.S. figures differ significantly from those released a month ago by the United Nations, which estimated that poppy cultivation rose 8 percent in 2003, to 200,000 acres from 185,000 in 2002.

The White House said the United Nations used a different method, based a mixture of ground surveys and analysis of imagery from commercial satellites.

The U.S. estimates are based on a sample survey of Afghan agricultural regions conducted with specialized U.S. government satellite imaging systems, it added.

The United States and the United Nations also gave different estimates for Afghanistan's opium production in 2003. The United Nations said it would rise 6 percent to 3,600 metric tons, while the White House said 2003 output would be 2,865 metric tons. The United States did not give a 2002 figure.

Opium production complicates the task of restoring central government authority in Afghanistan because it enables the warlords to run small armies and gives them an extra financial incentive to retain their autonomy.

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Copyright 2003 Reuters. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

What´s even better, fired CIA director Deutch (fired because of the CIA drug scandals) is now a member of the board of Citibank, that bought a Mexican Bank, famous for...money laundering for drugs...Perhaps it it a a random act...I havent got any proof ot it being otherwise...

Did you know the drop in pirates in the world coincides with increase in environmental problems? Perhaps it's a random act... I haven't got any proof of it being otherwise.

Conspiracy theories are arguments from ignorance, logical fallacies. Becuase you don't know someothing doesn't maen you can just make things up. Your articles shows that right after a change of government *gasp* there's instability. How about you actually produce some compelling evidence rather than just suggestions and widely speculative connections.

(im an economist myself). ..

No you aren't.

Did you know the drop in pirates in the world coincides with increase in environmental problems? Perhaps it's a random act... I haven't got any proof of it being otherwise.

Conspiracy theories are arguments from ignorance, logical fallacies. Becuase you don't know someothing doesn't maen you can just make things up. Your articles shows that right after a change of government *gasp* there's instability. How about you actually produce some compelling evidence rather than just suggestions and widely speculative connections.

Now, if he was any good at this, he would denounce you as part of the conspiracy, and link you to the burning of the Library at Alexandria, and working to make the sun go supernova. Sadly, he seems to be an amature conspiracy theorist.

They're not drug-dealers... They're vampires.

http://www.truthvendor.com/jfk.html


TruthVendor can reveal that President John F. Kennedy, assassinated by persons unknown on November 22, 1963, was in fact the ringleader of a vicious breakaway vampire sect that had been plotting for centuries to take over the earth by inflitrating political institutions.

We have seen a leaked copy of the autopsy report in its state immediately prior to "cleansing" by the CIA. This document was delivered to one of our dead-drops anonymously last December and we have had it thouroughly analysed for authenticity. Now, we can reveal that it is the real deal.

JFK was probably the most popular president of the United States, at least in terms of the popularity he enjoyed whilst alive. But his trademark toothless smile held a dark secret - a pair of inch-long fangs and a thirst not only for politics but for the blood of women and small children.

This condition was written off in his medical records (released in November 2002) as Addison's disease, an endocrine disorder causing chronic fatigue. But the truth was that JFK suffered lethargy and anemia when he had not drunk the fresh blood of some unfortunate victim.

It is not known what name the vampire had before it assumed its role as budding young politician "John F. Kennedy", but it is likely that it was one of many such creatures attempting to gain a position of influence over the culture it thought of as its food. One economic analyst TruthVendor consulted pointed out that an ailing economy would create a larger number of homeless people for the vampires to consume.

It seems that that JFK's immediate circle were not vampires (as far as we know), with the possible exception of his supposed "brother", Robert F Kennedy, but nevertheless it is apparent from autopsy records that he held all those he met in the sway of his ancient psyche.

The autopsy notes document that several young women were dragged into the room by CIA agents and sacrificed over the corpse in an attempt to bring the near-dead vampire back to life, but to no avail. The cause of death is listed as massive cranial trauma, but it seems unlikely that mere bullets could dispatch so powerful a vampire.

TruthVendor decided to re-investigate the assassination in light of the new data and made some important progress. It appears that the "bullets" which killed JFK were in fact miniature wooden stakes fired at high velocity from some kind of pneumatic blowpipe device. It is unlikely that a rifle could be modified to fire such an unusual missile.

This leads us to one incontrovertible conclusion: JFK was slain by a vampire hunter with access to extremely complex technology and to an intelligence network broad enough to ensure that an attack on the President of the United States went off without a hitch.

It seems unlikely that the vampire slayer was attached to the government itself or to any of its satellite agencies, and thus it must be concluded that there is a third force at work here. Given the excellent job done in framing Oswald for the murder, it seems unlikely that we will find out who this organisation is any time soon.

TruthVendor hopes that they are friendlier than the vampires.

*snip*

That explains JFKs fondness for pretty young girls.