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For those who are content to rag on Israel for going After Hezzbolah, remember..

DesignatedMarksman
23-07-2006, 17:42
We've got a stake in this too, and every Hezbollah militant dead is one more sent to justice.

by Robin L. Higgins February 7, 1998
February 17, 1998 will be 10 years since Colonel William R. Higgins last breathed free. A United States Marine for over 20 years, his final military assignment was as a United Nations peacekeeper in the Middle East. One morning, while trying to ensure the safety of his men, he was captured by Hezbollah radicals.

During his time in captivity he was interrogated and tortured, and a year and a half after he was taken, his inert body was seen on television screens around the world, hanging by the neck. It was to be more than two years later -- December 1991 – that my husband's remains were dumped on a Beirut street, to be buried on hallowed ground at the National Veterans' Cemetery at Quantico, Virginia.
Chellis
23-07-2006, 17:45
Yes, lets support Israel's collective punishment and high civilian casualty rates because a couple hezbollah, 18 years ago or so, captured and killed a marine.

Christ, you really need to grow up.
Dobbsworld
23-07-2006, 17:46
Who's "we" supposed to be?

I don't have a stake in anything, though one through Fearless Leader's heart would make for good.
Nodinia
23-07-2006, 17:49
Its the huge amount of dead lebanese civillians that are the problem, not the men with guns killing each other.
Carisbrooke
23-07-2006, 17:49
Israel - Huge military might, professional army, massive resources, a WHOLE COUNTRY.....YOU KNOW WITH A GOVERNMENT AND EVERYTHING

Hezzbollah - A terrorist organisation, with no real army, lower grade weapons comparably small resources, NOT A GOVERNMENT OR A COUNTRY

Lebanon - Lets not forget the innocent people of Lebanon here...

This is all very wrong and should STOP now
Skinny87
23-07-2006, 17:51
So a dead Marine killed 18 years ago is a reason to support Israel?

Well, shit, the IRA killed Lord Mountbatten and British civilians back in the sixties. Let's start bombing Irish airports and blockading them!
Tactical Grace
23-07-2006, 17:53
So I guess we show ourselves to be better people by making the Lebanese (http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/middle_east_beirut_destruction/img/1.jpg) pay? My chest swells with pride.
DesignatedMarksman
23-07-2006, 17:54
Israel - Huge military might, professional army, massive resources, a WHOLE COUNTRY.....YOU KNOW WITH A GOVERNMENT AND EVERYTHING

Hezzbollah - A terrorist organisation, with no real army, lower grade weapons comparably small resources, NOT A GOVERNMENT OR A COUNTRY

Lebanon - Lets not forget the innocent people of Lebanon here...

This is all very wrong and should STOP now

Umm, Hezbollah is larger than a terrorist organization, more like a small army/LARGE militia.

Lebanon has allowed Hez to operate in it's borders. Shouldn't have.

Do you think Israel WANTS to kill innocent Lebanese? No, but they will kill Hez if they find them, and it's Hez's fault for hiding in a city surrounder by innocent people.
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 17:54
We've got a stake in this too
Who is we? Just US citizens?

Israel is attacking a sovereign nation, and should have sanctions brought against them immediately.
OcceanDrive
23-07-2006, 17:55
Its the huge amount of dead lebanese civillians that are the problem, not the men with guns killing each other.exactamente..
Carisbrooke
23-07-2006, 17:55
Umm, Hezbollah is larger than a terrorist organization, more like a small army/LARGE militia.

Lebanon has allowed Hez to operate in it's borders. Shouldn't have.

Do you think Israel WANTS to kill innocent Lebanese? No, but they will kill Hez if they find them, and it's Hez's fault for hiding in a city surrounder by innocent people.


Bollocks...Nobody HAS to bomb anyone, this is apologist bullshit
OcceanDrive
23-07-2006, 18:02
February 17, 1998 will be 10 years since Colonel William R. Higgins .... It was to be more than two years later -- December 1991 – that my husband's remains were dumped on a Beirut street...[/I]Hezbollah has kicked a lot of US/Israel ass.. the have killed hundreds of US/Israel soldiers..

If any US citizen sign with the Pimps (recruiters).. and gets his ass sent to the Midle east.. his friends/Family should not complain if he is captured and killed.

he signed the contract.. his ass belongs to the Pimps for 2-5 years.. shit happens? his fault.

dont cry for me Argentina.
Laerod
23-07-2006, 18:03
Lebanon has allowed Hez to operate in it's borders. Shouldn't have.Yes indeed. They could have taken the risk and started a second civil war with one of the most deeply integrated organizations in their society...
Keruvalia
23-07-2006, 18:08
So .... two wrongs do make a right?

I better tell mama.
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 18:11
So .... two wrongs do make a right?

I better tell mama.

Ah! Tu es de retour. Sois le bienvenu! :)
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 18:16
Ah! Tu es de retour. Sois le bienvenu! :)
You can't speak pure French to Cajun...don't you know anything?;)
DesignatedMarksman
23-07-2006, 18:21
Bollocks...Nobody HAS to bomb anyone, this is apologist bullshit

Too bad Hezbollah didn't get the Memo. That, and the memo on kidnapping Israelis. Had they, none of this would be happenening. Think about it-you could blame the entire ME conflicts on lousy postal service. Meh.
DesignatedMarksman
23-07-2006, 18:23
You can't speak pure French to Cajun...don't you know anything?;)

I took French 1 and 2 when I was in HS (Homeschooled, yep) but I don't remember a thing of it 3 years later. Probably because I never practiced it or cared much about speaking French. Would have been a ton better if I had learned arabic or hebrew.
Chellis
23-07-2006, 18:27
Too bad Hezbollah didn't get the Memo. That, and the memo on kidnapping Israelis. Had they, none of this would be happenening. Think about it-you could blame the entire ME conflicts on lousy postal service. Meh.

Yes, and israel could have not settled in the middle east, and none of this would be happening.

Not that I'm saying its nessecarially israel's fault for being there, but when you move into a hostile neighborhood, into someone's recently forclosed home...
New Burmesia
23-07-2006, 18:32
Too bad Hezbollah didn't get the Memo. That, and the memo on kidnapping Israelis. Had they, none of this would be happenening. Think about it-you could blame the entire ME conflicts on lousy postal service. Meh.

Had Israel decided not to bomb the crap out of Lebanese civilians, this wouldn't be happening, either. Whereas Hezbollah can decide to abduct soldiers, Israel can decide how to respond.
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 18:54
You can't speak pure French to Cajun...don't you know anything?;)

I can speak pure French to him in the same fashion I speak pure English to you colonials.
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 18:55
I can speak pure French to him in the same fashion I speak pure English to you colonials.
You take that back this instant.
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 18:57
You take that back this instant.

I was under the impression you were not completely aboriginal.
Chellis
23-07-2006, 18:59
I can speak pure French to him in the same fashion I speak pure English to you colonials.

J'aime ces coloniales
New Mitanni
23-07-2006, 18:59
We've got a stake in this too, and every Hezbollah militant dead is one more sent to justice.

by Robin L. Higgins February 7, 1998
February 17, 1998 will be 10 years since Colonel William R. Higgins last breathed free. A United States Marine for over 20 years, his final military assignment was as a United Nations peacekeeper in the Middle East. One morning, while trying to ensure the safety of his men, he was captured by Hezbollah radicals.

During his time in captivity he was interrogated and tortured, and a year and a half after he was taken, his inert body was seen on television screens around the world, hanging by the neck. It was to be more than two years later -- December 1991 – that my husband's remains were dumped on a Beirut street, to be buried on hallowed ground at the National Veterans' Cemetery at Quantico, Virginia.

Props to Israel for doing the world a huge service. Hopefully they won't stop until the last Hezbollahi has joined its false prophet and is enjoying the company of 72 Virginians who will teach it the meaning of respect.

It's vital for the future of humanity that Islamofascism suffer a crushing, humiliating and irreversible defeat. Go Israel :)
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 19:01
I was under the impression you were not completely aboriginal.I absolutely am. Even being a half-breed, I am not classified as 'part Irish part Cree'. I am a full aboriginal according to my people, and according to the Canadian state. Cad.
Keruvalia
23-07-2006, 19:01
Ah! Tu es de retour. Sois le bienvenu! :)

Merci, mon ami!

The time just flew by. Now ... what can I do next ... *wrings hands* muhaha!
Keruvalia
23-07-2006, 19:02
I can speak pure French to him in the same fashion I speak pure English to you colonials.

*snicker*
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 19:04
*snicker*
You shit:D
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 19:04
I absolutely am. Even being a half-breed,

See. Demi-colonial, then.

I am not classified as 'part Irish part Cree'. I am a full aboriginal according to my people, and according to the Canadian state. Cad.

I shall add that to my "things I don't need to acknowledge" file. Churl.
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 19:04
See. Demi-colonial, then.

I shall add that to my "things I don't need to acknowledge" file. Churl.
Bitch. I'll scalp your Norwegian ass.
Chellis
23-07-2006, 19:05
Props to Israel for doing the world a huge service. Hopefully they won't stop until the last Hezbollahi has joined its false prophet and is enjoying the company of 72 Virginians who will teach it the meaning of respect.

It's vital for the future of humanity that Islamofascism suffer a crushing, humiliating and irreversible defeat. Go Israel :)

Props to hezbollah for doing the world a huge service. Hopefully they won't stop until the last israeli has joined its false prophet.

Its vital for the future of humanity that Israelimperialism suffer a crushing, humiliating and irreversible defeat. Go Hezbollah :)

See how easy it is to write crap like this?
Istenbul
23-07-2006, 19:05
I took French 1 and 2 when I was in HS (Homeschooled, yep) but I don't remember a thing of it 3 years later. Probably because I never practiced it or cared much about speaking French. Would have been a ton better if I had learned arabic or hebrew.

So being home schooled is your problem. I understand now.


Frankly, the whole antic Israel is pulling is fucking insane. ONE soldier gets kidnapped, so they send their entire military after him? Sorry but that never happens. Even America doesn't bother to go after one soldier.
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 19:07
So being home schooled is your problem. I understand now.

Hey now, that was uncalled for. His problems run much deeper than that.
Istenbul
23-07-2006, 19:07
Props to Israel for doing the world a huge service. Hopefully they won't stop until the last Hezbollahi has joined its false prophet and is enjoying the company of 72 Virginians who will teach it the meaning of respect.

It's vital for the future of humanity that Islamofascism suffer a crushing, humiliating and irreversible defeat. Go Israel :)

Innocent women,children, and men are also suffering a crushing, humiliating, and irreversible defeat. But you're the type who feeds off the unhappiness and sadness of others....no matter what issue.
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 19:08
Bitch. I'll scalp your Norwegian ass.

Go ahead. Scalp my hairy, bubble-shaped ass.
Tactical Grace
23-07-2006, 19:10
Daaamn, that's some sparring you've got going on there. :eek:

If I didn't know better, I'd be booking a hotel room for you guys. :p
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 19:11
Daaamn, that's some sparring you've got going on there. :eek:

If I didn't know better, I'd be booking a hotel room for you guys. :p
I can only wish...,
Kamsaki
23-07-2006, 19:11
Who is we? Just US citizens?

Israel is attacking a sovereign nation, and should have sanctions brought against them immediately.
Aha. Hit the nail on the head with that one.

See, anything brought on Israel will be double-standards on the part of the Iraqi Coalition or even the Afghan liberation forces. The Israeli state is guilty of no more than the anti-Al-Qaeda crowd, and they will probably be (if they have not already been) very happy to point out the injustice of anyone who gave support for the outing of OBL and/or Saddam imposing sanctions on them now.
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 19:15
I can only wish...,

Tell it to your spirit guide.
Gauthier
23-07-2006, 19:21
Innocent women,children, and men are also suffering a crushing, humiliating, and irreversible defeat. But you're the type who feeds off the unhappiness and sadness of others....no matter what issue.

Because he's a member of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders and the Bushevik Party, who believes that Muslims are best dead or slaves.
DesignatedMarksman
23-07-2006, 19:35
Yes, and israel could have not settled in the middle east, and none of this would be happening.

Not that I'm saying its nessecarially israel's fault for being there, but when you move into a hostile neighborhood, into someone's recently forclosed home...

So where would Israel live then? God promised the Jews a homeland, in that area nonetheless. Guess what happened? Well, Israel. Do you think Israel would have come about between Canada and the US? No. In europe? No way. Only in the ME, because that's where they were promised their homeland someday. God KEEPS his promises.

Had Israel decided not to bomb the crap out of Lebanese civilians, this wouldn't be happening, either. Whereas Hezbollah can decide to abduct soldiers, Israel can decide how to respond.

Had Israel never existed, it wouldn't be happening either. Of course, Hezbollah being a Terrorist organization sort of negates any credibility on their part, aswell as being funded and helped by Syria, and that western favorite, Iran.
New Mitanni
23-07-2006, 19:41
See how easy it is to write crap like this?

Yes, that is a talent that you put on display with every post. Please continue, I need the entertainment :p
New Mitanni
23-07-2006, 19:45
Innocent women,children, and men are also suffering a crushing, humiliating, and irreversible defeat. But you're the type who feeds off the unhappiness and sadness of others....no matter what issue.

Protocol Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Protocol 1) (Adopted on 8 June 1977)

(http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/93.htm )

Article 51(7): The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

Listen and repeat: Hezbollah--is--to--blame.
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 19:47
So where would Israel live then? God promised the Jews a homeland,
Let's just stop you there.

You believe in God.

That doesn't mean God exists.

And if he doesn't, that whole lame argument is invalid.

Whichi it already is in my mind.
New Mitanni
23-07-2006, 19:48
Because he's a member of the 101st Fighting Keyboarders and the Bushevik Party, who believes that Muslims are best dead or slaves.

Coming from a grunt of the 666th Internet Dhimmi Legion, who believes that Islam really is a religion of peace and that the Koran, Hadith and Sharia really don't mean what they say, that's high praise indeed :D
Sinuhue
23-07-2006, 19:49
Tell it to your spirit guide.
Stop watching cheesy westerns.
Chellis
23-07-2006, 19:49
So where would Israel live then? God promised the Jews a homeland, in that area nonetheless. Guess what happened? Well, Israel. Do you think Israel would have come about between Canada and the US? No. In europe? No way. Only in the ME, because that's where they were promised their homeland someday. God KEEPS his promises.



Had Israel never existed, it wouldn't be happening either. Of course, Hezbollah being a Terrorist organization sort of negates any credibility on their part, aswell as being funded and helped by Syria, and that western favorite, Iran.

God doesn't exist, so he couldn't promise shit. Easy enough there.

Tell me exactly what makes hezbollah a terrorist organization, in your view.
Chellis
23-07-2006, 19:50
Yes, that is a talent that you put on display with every post. Please continue, I need the entertainment :p

Looking into the mirror amuses you, I see. Some people are easily amused.
Gauthier
23-07-2006, 19:59
Coming from a grunt of the 666th Internet Dhimmi Legion, who believes that Islam really is a religion of peace and that the Koran, Hadith and Sharia really don't mean what they say, that's high praise indeed :D

Ah, so if you don't believe Muslims are the Jihadist Borg Hivemind and must be exterminated or enslaved, you're a "dhimmi." Such brilliant leap of logical observation that could only come from a Bushevik.

:rolleyes:
Carisbrooke
23-07-2006, 20:52
Originally Posted by DesignatedMarksman
So where would Israel live then? God promised the Jews a homeland, in that area nonetheless. Guess what happened? Well, Israel. Do you think Israel would have come about between Canada and the US? No. In europe? No way. Only in the ME, because that's where they were promised their homeland someday. God KEEPS his promises.

Well.....I suppose that god also wants all those unbelieving heathen babies and children, old people and innocent men and women to die in bombing raids? Hell yeah! God is full of those bright ideas for peace and love ain't he?

A plague on your house you silly person
Kamsaki
23-07-2006, 20:59
So where would Israel live then? God promised the Jews a homeland, in that area nonetheless. Guess what happened? Well, Israel. Do you think Israel would have come about between Canada and the US? No. In europe? No way. Only in the ME, because that's where they were promised their homeland someday. God KEEPS his promises.
They were promised their homeland there and, despite their complaining, they got it. God's promise was fulfilled. It's not fair to expect him to fulfil the same promise several times over.

Just because he's God doesn't mean you can apply unfair standards to him.
Meath Street
23-07-2006, 21:10
We've got a stake in this too, and every Hezbollah militant dead is one more sent to justice.
US interests are not served by Israel's campaign. Lebanon is supposed to be the kind of stable Middle Eastern country that provides a model for Iraq. Letting Israel stir shit up makes Lebanon look unstable a poor model for Iraq's future.

Do you think Israel WANTS to kill innocent Lebanese? No, but they will kill Hez if they find them, and it's Hez's fault for hiding in a city surrounder by innocent people.
I wouldn't be surprised. Of the 61 Lebanses killed in Israeli attacks last Wednesday, only one was a combatant.

Too bad Hezbollah didn't get the Memo. That, and the memo on kidnapping Israelis. Had they, none of this would be happenening. Think about it-you could blame the entire ME conflicts on lousy postal service. Meh.
You talk as if Israel didn't have a choice on what to do.

So where would Israel live then? God promised the Jews a homeland, in that area nonetheless. Guess what happened? Well, Israel. Do you think Israel would have come about between Canada and the US? No. In europe? No way. Only in the ME, because that's where they were promised their homeland someday. God KEEPS his promises.

God didn't create the State of Israel. Britain did. That's where the Jews wanted to live, and after the Holocaust, who could say no to them?

Tell me exactly what makes hezbollah a terrorist organization, in your view.
They target civilians.

Anyone else notice how people who cry out "God Will Provide" the loudest also usually happen to be the first ones to show contempt for humans providing humans with welfare?
Only in America. I am a European Christian and to be honest I think only about 20% of US Christians are the real deal (they are the quietest, most humble group of course). The others are a mix of liars, hypocrites, neo-Cromwellians, Satanists, and neo-Pharisees. Including DesignatedMarksman here.

Israel has a right to defend herself, but there's nothing Christian about DM's defense of the right of Palestinians and Lebanese civvies to be incinerated in the Israeli blitz.
Gauthier
23-07-2006, 21:10
They were promised their homeland there and, despite their complaining, they got it. God's promise was fulfilled. It's not fair to expect him to fulfil the same promise several times over.

Just because he's God doesn't mean you can apply unfair standards to him.

Anyone else notice how people who cry out "God Will Provide" the loudest also usually happen to be the first ones to show contempt for humans providing humans with welfare?
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 21:18
Stop watching cheesy westerns.

Stop grasping at the straws of a terminal culture.
Kamsaki
23-07-2006, 21:22
Anyone else notice how people who cry out "God Will Provide" the loudest also usually happen to be the first ones to show contempt for humans providing humans with welfare?
That's probably more to do with the fact that they're the loudest, though. Rational argument is considerably more difficult to deliver at volume than short impulsive screaming.
Tactical Grace
23-07-2006, 21:33
God promised the Jews a homeland, in that area nonetheless. Guess what happened? ... God KEEPS his promises.
God didn't promise shit.

At least a post-imperial carve-up of territory has a certain legitimacy in the sense that with visits to a few libraries and a few conversations with people, it can be verified to have taken place.

The god excuse is a cop-out. It is the excuse of common arsonists. People get worried about what Iran might do, considering the people who rule it claim to have a direct line and talk all apocalyptic - I don't see why we should treat Israel any differently. People who claim to hear voices in their head are tolerable - until they pick up a gun and start killing.
Meath Street
23-07-2006, 21:36
The god excuse is a cop-out. It is the excuse of common arsonists. People get worried about what Iran might do, considering the people who rule it claim to have a direct line and talk all apocalyptic - I don't see why we should treat Israel any differently. People who claim to hear voices in their head are tolerable - until they pick up a gun and start killing.
Fortunately though, Israel is a secular democracy.
Tactical Grace
23-07-2006, 21:38
Fortunately though, Israel is a secular democracy.
Yeah, so is America. :rolleyes:

In my nation setting, there's a cool box in front of my nation name where I can type in anything I want. That doesn't make it true. Words and deeds, not what one might deduce from the nominal structure of a state.
Fartsniffage
23-07-2006, 21:38
Fortunately though, Israel is a secular democracy.

Doesn't that kind of contradict the argument that Israel has a right to exsist because the bible say so though?
Trostia
23-07-2006, 22:33
Stop grasping at the straws of a terminal culture.

Stop being a racist little prick.
Baguetten
23-07-2006, 22:57
Stop being a racist little prick.

You weren't actually taking any of my and Sinuhue's banter seriously? Why, that would be n00bish of you - quite unbecoming of a 2003 nation. Snap out of it.
Trostia
23-07-2006, 22:59
You weren't actually taking any of my and Sinuhue's banter seriously? Why, that would be n00bish of you - quite unbecoming of a 2003 nation. Snap out of it.

Well, I figured you were being serious since you're from Sweden, and Swedes are a bunch of bigots.












:p
Philosopy
23-07-2006, 22:59
You weren't actually taking any of my and Sinuhue's banter seriously? Why, that would be n00bish of you - quite unbecoming of a 2003 nation. Snap out of it.
Your forum snobbery based on age is quite amusing when one considers that, in the great scheme of things, everyone on this forum is new. 2003? Pfft. I have trousers older than that.
Trostia
23-07-2006, 23:03
Pfft. I have trousers older than that.

Maybe so, but I have trousers older than your trousers.
Philosopy
23-07-2006, 23:12
Maybe so, but I have trousers older than your trousers.
Yeah, but I have underwear older than your trou... actually, probably best not to go there.
Pledgeria
23-07-2006, 23:16
Lebanon has allowed Hez to operate in it's borders. Shouldn't have.

And how should the Lebanese government stopped them? It doesn't have the power or support necessary to do that because countries like the U.S. and Israel hold it responsible for the actions of a group it can't control, which makes it even less able to stop Hezbollah. Vicious circle.
Nodinia
23-07-2006, 23:38
So where would Israel live then? God promised the Jews a homeland, in that area nonetheless. Guess what happened? Well, Israel. Do you think Israel would have come about between Canada and the US? No. In europe? No way. Only in the ME, because that's where they were promised their homeland someday. God KEEPS his promises..

Crap.


Had Israel never existed, it wouldn't be happening either. Of course, Hezbollah being a Terrorist organization sort of negates any credibility on their part, .

Unlike, say the Irgun, Lehi etc, or the IRA (original) or the ANC, who all went to to become politicians etc....
Laerod
23-07-2006, 23:40
Unlike, say the Irgun, Lehi etc, or the IRA (original) or the ANC, who all went to to become politicians etc....Nor Washington. His raid on the Hessians on Christmas is hardly different from the bombing against the Marines in Lebanon that DM despises so much.
Gravlen
23-07-2006, 23:46
I'll only say to the OP: Complete BS! :rolleyes:
Maineiacs
23-07-2006, 23:58
Innocent women,children, and men are also suffering a crushing, humiliating, and irreversible defeat. But you're the type who feeds off the unhappiness and sadness of others....no matter what issue.


Schadenfreude. It's very much in vogue in this country.
Sel Appa
24-07-2006, 00:07
We dont need that reason...we have enough reason...Israel was attacked.
CanuckHeaven
24-07-2006, 00:09
We've got a stake in this too, and every Hezbollah militant dead is one more sent to justice.
What really is at stake here? What are the true determinations behind this wanton death and destruction?

Commentary: The real aim (http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060717-050121-9289r)

The real aim is to change the regime in Lebanon and to install a puppet government. That was the aim of Ariel Sharon's invasion of Lebanon in 1982. It failed. But Sharon and his pupils in the military and political leadership have never really given up on it.

What caused the rise of the Hizbullah?

The calculation now is that if the Israeli Air Force rains heavy enough blows on the Lebanese population - paralyzing the sea and airports, destroying the infrastructure, bombarding residential neighborhoods, cutting the Beirut-Damascus highroad etc. - the public will get furious with Hizbullah and pressure the Lebanese government into fulfilling Israel's demands.

Since the present government cannot even dream of doing so, a dictatorship will be set up with Israel's support.

That is the military logic. I have my doubts. It can be assumed that most Lebanese will react as any other people on earth would: with fury and hatred toward the invader.

That happened in 1982, when the Shia in the south of Lebanon, until then as docile as a doormat, stood up against the Israeli occupiers and created Hizbullah, which has become the strongest force in the country.

If the Lebanese elite now becomes tainted as collaborators with Israel, it will be swept off the map.

And the beat goes on and on? When will man learn the lesson?

The UN tried to respond to this situation, but the US vetoed a Resolution that would have ended this madness.

None of this will result in peace for Israel. If anything it will lead to even larger scale of death and destruction.

The premise for this thread is poorly thought out and based on the whims of a warmonger.
Chellis
24-07-2006, 00:22
They target civilians.

I didn't ask you. However, how can you contend that they target civilians? Havn't all civilian deaths by hezbollah been the result of unguided rockets?
Dododecapod
24-07-2006, 00:40
I didn't ask you. However, how can you contend that they target civilians? Havn't all civilian deaths by hezbollah been the result of unguided rockets?

Hezbollah has used a variety of ordinance, including Soviet made Katyusha-6 area bombardment rockets. Those can be targetted quite precisely on a specific area. Just because it doesn't have a seeker head, don't imagine this stuff doesn't hit EXACTLY what they fired at.
Inconvenient Truths
24-07-2006, 01:01
Hezbollah has used a variety of ordinance, including Soviet made Katyusha-6 area bombardment rockets. Those can be targetted quite precisely on a specific area. Just because it doesn't have a seeker head, don't imagine this stuff doesn't hit EXACTLY what they fired at.

So you are saying that the warheads used by the IDF are substantially worse (which is very embarrasing for them really) because they keep accidentally landing in areas filled with children?
Or that the missiles & shells fired by the IDF are as least as accurate (if not more so) and, therefore, that all the Lebanese civilian deaths were the result of IDF fire missions that "hit EXACTLY what they fired at"?

The words 'Glass houses' and 'throw stones' spring to mind...
Meath Street
24-07-2006, 15:38
I didn't ask you. However, how can you contend that they target civilians? Havn't all civilian deaths by hezbollah been the result of unguided rockets?
They're not targeting military installations. They're targeting Israeli cities, which are mostly comprised of civilians.
WangWee
24-07-2006, 15:44
We've got a stake in this too, and every Hezbollah militant dead is one more sent to justice.

by Robin L. Higgins February 7, 1998
February 17, 1998 will be 10 years since Colonel William R. Higgins last breathed free. A United States Marine for over 20 years, his final military assignment was as a United Nations peacekeeper in the Middle East. One morning, while trying to ensure the safety of his men, he was captured by Hezbollah radicals.

During his time in captivity he was interrogated and tortured, and a year and a half after he was taken, his inert body was seen on television screens around the world, hanging by the neck. It was to be more than two years later -- December 1991 – that my husband's remains were dumped on a Beirut street, to be buried on hallowed ground at the National Veterans' Cemetery at Quantico, Virginia.

"we"?

Piss off yank.
Chellis
24-07-2006, 16:00
They're not targeting military installations. They're targeting Israeli cities, which are mostly comprised of civilians.

And israel is targeting lebanese cities, which are mostly comprised of civilians.

The Israeli military "hides" within the population as well. Not to mention compulsary military service means you have a good chance of hitting somebody who is either in, or soon will be in the military, but there's the chance of just hitting military members, etc.

Israel is hardly targeting millitary installations either. Are refugee buses and trucks military? Are cell phone towers military? Are civilian power-generators military?

If israel can justify hitting things like these, I don't see why hezbollah can't justify firing rockets into israel.
Jordaxia
24-07-2006, 17:08
So .... two wrongs do make a right?

I better tell mama.

Yeah, I was pretty much thinking that whenever I think of the conflict... Weird that when Hezbollah bomb civilians with old bombs, it's terrorism, and when Israel bombs civilians with new bombs it's justice.
New Mitanni
24-07-2006, 18:46
If israel can justify hitting things like these, I don't see why hezbollah can't justify firing rockets into israel.

Fortunately for the world, your kind of thinking has no influence with Israel or the US.

You wouldn't happen to be in grad school, would you?