NationStates Jolt Archive

Note: I did not write this, but just saw it on another forum I browse. Read it and tell me what you think.

Want to hear some sense, guys?

What you think of as your safe secure homes, are bought for you by the struggle of israel. israel, whilst not the prettiest of fighters, gets the job done.

Now i KNOW that most of you play RTS games. and you've undoubtably experienced this when doing so. when you play a 4v4 kind of game, there is always one person who gets BUTTFUCKED... ROYALLY BUTTFUCKED. All the computers/humans will gang up and rape this person's base to shit and they will keep valiantly fighting on to maintain their base. that leaves the other 3 guys free to develop their bases, build up armies all the meanwhile this one dude is fighting for his damn life, but you're nice and comfy and can just have skirmishes at your pleasure.

This one dude who is getting raped.. thats israel. he fights desperately and he fights dirty, he fights any way that will make him win.. he sends his builders in to fight if it will stave off his base being destroyed...

You. You in america, and europe and australia. you are the other 3 guys, who can build your shit up and just piss around attacking the others. occasionally you lose a few things... no big deal, you'll just build some more, but your main base is never really threatened.

Show some fucking respect for Israel, who through their blood, protect your safety from the Islamic insurgents who seek to destroy you.

As long as that one guy survives, you never lose the game. it works like that in real life. if that guy pulls out though, and reestablishes his base somewhere else, you're in for some trouble.

So Support Israel, and don't ask them to move from their nice Fire-Break position. its them being amongst the arabs, fucking with them that keeps us safe.

I think the first half makes no sene, but the second half, which makes slightly more sense, is incorrect. Support forthcoming...

It's copy pasta. It's a nice analogy meant to attract the lot of us, but it also distracts us from the problem at hand. This is most certainly not a videogame, this are real lives that're being lost.

And in any case, given where you read it (I'm sure we read it at the same forum, GV), I wouldn't give it much credibility anyway. :D

Note: I did not write this, but just saw it on another forum I browse. Read it and tell me what you think.It's under the assinine impression that war can be compared to a game. Reality isn't that simple. This isn't a "Win the map, game's over" kind of world, things go on after the battles, the skirmishes, whatever.

I think the first half makes no sene, but the second half, which makes slightly more sense, is incorrect. Support forthcoming...

You evidently don't play RTS games (at least not online).

I think the first half makes no sene, but the second half, which makes slightly more sense, is incorrect. Support forthcoming...
and ovcourse you won't bother to prove that point, but just say it, right?

A flawed analogy. Israel's existance is one of the enflaming factors to current religious strive.

It's copy pasta. It's a nice analogy meant to attract the lot of us, but it also distracts us from the problem at hand. This is most certainly not a videogame, this are real lives that're being lost.

And in any case, given where you read it (I'm sure we read it at the same forum, GV), I wouldn't give it much credibility anyway. :D

But the *forum* we both read it at was most likely not where it came from originally.

and ovcourse you won't bother to prove that point, but just say it, right?
"Support forthcoming" means I'm working on sources. Hold your horses.

You evidently don't play RTS games (at least not online).
Nope.

But the *forum* we both read it at was most likely not where it came from originally.
Right, original and mature thoughts aren't born from there. But in any case, my point still stands that the analogy works to distract from the actual problem. And that reality =/= RTS games.

"Support forthcoming" means I'm working on sources. Hold your horses.

Sources? I'm asking for an *opinion* on a half-baked analogy that probably wasn't made to be taken seriously. Not a written report with cited sources telling me why its wrong.

A flawed analogy. Israel's existance is one of the enflaming factors to current religious strive.why, because the terrorist say so?
al-qaida won't stop if israel will destroyed. the muslim-brothers terror organization established in the 20's and didn't ramind the zionism. the muslim riots in europe as little to do with israel. the war aren't going to stop if you will sacrifice israel.
it is like the west before WW2 which sacrifice austria and chechoslovakia for hitler. it only make things worse.

Sources? I'm asking for an *opinion* on a half-baked analogy that probably wasn't made to be taken seriously. Not a written report with cited sources telling me why its wrong.
And I gave it, dude. But you've got the people here won't accept anything less than rabid pro-Israeli support without sources.

So we're using video game analogies to prove political points. Has it really sunk this low?

why, because the terrorist say so?
al-qaida won't stop if israel will destroyed. the muslim-brothers terror organization established in the 20's and didn't ramind the zionism. the muslim riots in europe as little to do with israel. the war aren't going to stop if you will sacrifice israel.
it is like the west before WW2 which sacrifice austria and chechoslovakia for hitler. it only make things worse.There's muslim riots in Europe? :confused:

and ovcourse you won't bother to prove that point, but just say it, right?
http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2006/june2006/baqerzadeh_5606.shtml

The life or death of Israel will not stop Iran or the Iranian-backed terrorist groups from targeting the U.S.

There's muslim riots in Europe? :confused:
the caricature ones, and what happened in france are main examples.
even if that is weak point, you dodge the other ones.

http://www.iran-press-service.com/ips/articles-2006/june2006/baqerzadeh_5606.shtml

The life or death of Israel will not stop Iran or the Iranian-backed terrorist groups from targeting the U.S.
which prove the point. sacrifice israel won't stop them, but it will motivate them and make it easier for them since they will had one less country to deal with.

That reminds me of RoR.. :(

I miss that game so much.

As for the Israel stuff? Meh.

which prove the point. sacrifice israel won't stop them, but it will motivate them and make it easier for them since they will had one less country to deal with.
Um, try reading the OP again, then the article. They say two different things.

EDIT: Indeed, opposite.

Um, try reading the OP again, then the article. They say two different things.

EDIT: Indeed, opposite.
care to clearify yourself?

the caricature ones, and what happened in france are main examples.
even if that is weak point, you dodge the other ones.Lebanon, Iran, Syria, and Indonesia can hardly be considered "Europe." Protests in Europe remained peaceful. What happened in in France: If you mean the riots with the burning cars and all that, that can hardly be construed as religiously motivated.

And even if I dodge other points, that would hardly be an argument in favor of yours, would it?

care to clearify yourself?
No, it's pretty self-explanatory.

Lebanon, Iran, Syria, and Indonesia can hardly be considered "Europe." Protests in Europe remained peaceful. What happened in in France: If you mean the riots with the burning cars and all that, that can hardly be construed as religiously motivated.the caricatures riots were against european targets, mostly denemark which start it.
the french riots include some anti-western and religious groups, although they wasn't the main groups.
And even if I dodge other points, that would hardly be an argument in favor of yours, would it?
no, but it strenghen my points if you aren't shot them down.

No, it's pretty self-explanatory.
as I see it, they both said that it won't help to sacrifice israel (which stand in the same side of the west), to stop the un-western agression, only your article speak specifically on the US-iran case, and the OP analogy see the whole picture.
if I ask you for clearifications, I guess your point isn't self-explanatory.

the caricatures riots were against european targets, mostly denemark which start it.Indeed. They do not, however constitute what you referred to as "Muslim riots in Europe".
the french riots include some anti-western and religious groups, although they wasn't the main groups.Again, they weren't about religion, so you shouldn't refer to them as "Muslim riots in Europe".

no, but it strenghen my points if you aren't shot them down.Not the ones that do get shot down though ;)

Indeed. They do not, however constitute what you referred to as "Muslim riots in Europe".semantic. if they have european targets, they target europe, even if it isn't on european territory. it don't harm my main point.

Again, they weren't about religion, so you shouldn't refer to them as "Muslim riots in Europe".semantic. only muslim were involved, so this is muslim riots.

Not the ones that do get shot down though ;)
true, but that right in every argument.

Lets see, where to start..

The riots in France had less to do with religion, and more to do with sky rocketing unemployement rates there, as high as 20% among young people.

Yes, the protests in Europe were peacefull, as they tend to be, the ones in some countries were not, but that's a case of their feelings running hot (not saying I blame them, I understand why they feel bad about this)

The whole basis of this logic is flawed, sorry. Why? Because real life is not a real time strategy game, period.

Lets see, where to start..

The riots in France had less to do with religion, and more to do with sky rocketing unemployement rates there, as high as 20% among young people.which surprisingly didn't effected the non-muslim populace?

Yes, the protests in Europe were peacefull, as they tend to be, the ones in some countries were not, but that's a case of their feelings running hot (not saying I blame them, I understand why they feel bad about this)understand maybe, but not justified.

The whole basis of this logic is flawed, sorry. Why? Because real life is not a real time strategy game, period.it doesn't but attack the base for the analogy, doesn't mean the conclusion is wrong.

No, it affects everybody there. The muslims were just the most vocal, and as usual, the ones blamed in the media..The French have their heads firmly in the sand over this issue..

No, it affects everybody there. The muslims were just the most vocal, and as usual, the ones blamed in the media..The French have their heads firmly in the sand over this issue..
the riots were muslim. even if some minor parties joined (which I doubt), they were still muslim.

Show me your proof, then. I distinctly remember them being made up of young people, not just muslims, in particular. If you show me proof, I'm willing to listen..if you can't prove your case, however..

the riots were muslim. even if some minor parties joined (which I doubt), they were still muslim.This had to do with the fact that most of them were immigrants from Algeria. The riots were unemployed immigrant youth motivated, not muslim motivated.

If it really was 'Arabs vs. The World' Patricia Anthony style, then it would be halfway accurate. But it's not. Because "in amongst the Arabs" is pretty much every company whose stock is worth owning. Most of them are actually pretty good business partners. And the bad guy of the year isn't even Arab.

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Show some fucking respect for Israel, who through their blood, protect your safety from the Islamic insurgents who seek to destroy you..

Bollocks. The Islamists and the Palestinians are not the same thing. Israel should get the fuck out of the occupied territories. Building colonies in other peoples countries gets you no popularity points,


its them being amongst the arabs, fucking with them that keeps us safe...

Its Americas support of Israel that allows jihadists to use the Palestinian issue as a recruiting tool.....

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So ... what you're saying is ... Israel is comparable to anal rape or that Israel's into butt saix?

Did I miss something?

So... Israel is doing ALL of the work to protect the rest of the world from islam?


Somebody's ego seems a tad....... large.


Israel takes care of threats against Israel. Frankly, what did Israel ever do with respect to countering the Taliban, al Qaeda, or even insofar as going after the rise of Wahabism in Saudi Arabia or the extremist schools in Pakistan who have been the root source of most of the terrorists who directly threaten the western world?

Answer: Not a damn thing.

Why? Because Israel has enough to deal with regarding immediate threats to THEM. Anything they might do that might have helped stop anything directed at EUrope or north america has been entirely incidental to their efforts at self-preservation.

Bollocks. The Islamists and the Palestinians are not the same thing. Israel should get the fuck out of the occupied territories. Building colonies in other peoples countries gets you no popularity points,Actually, it does with the right-wing elements of the population. Israel being a democracy means that these popularity points have a significant meaning. The other thing is that Israel gets a lot of revenue from agriculture. This uses up a lot of water in that arid environment, and Westbank and the Golan heights are a major source thereof.

semantic. only muslim were involved, so this is muslim riots.
Not all immigrants to France are muslim, and even of the muslims, most of them are not very observant.

Actually, it does with the right-wing elements of the population. Israel being a democracy means that these popularity points have a significant meaning. The other thing is that Israel gets a lot of revenue from agriculture. This uses up a lot of water in that arid environment, and Westbank and the Golan heights are a major source thereof.

But not with the persons being occupied.......which was the point.

But not with the persons being occupied.......which was the point.You'll understand that most countries' leaders that require election pay attention to the opinions of the people doing the voting first and then foreign countries, if at all.

You'll understand that most countries' leaders that require election pay attention to the opinions of the people doing the voting first and then foreign countries, if at all.

Yes, but when complaining about being 'hated' and under siege by their neigbours, it does rather destroy the whole air of innocence offended. You'd also find that if (for instance) the President of the US rang and said that he wanted x, y and z accomplished, theres a large more than a large chance that he'd be listened to, and complied with. Particularily when the cheque hasnt arrived in the post.

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Right On


And let spineless Bak rot in his Lebanese hell.

Hey, he was blagging he was proud he'd never return to the UK?
My guess is he wont, no matter how much he bleats and begs.

But not with the persons being occupied.......which was the point.


You mean that there's lot of Syrians being occupied by Israel?

The point is that the Arabs can rot - the arab Muslims did not start genociding Khaibar because they were occupied.

I took the "if it wasn't him, it would be us" position once, arguing with a friend about a bashing we witnessed.

What he said: "Look, you are in a rough part of town, and there's only one pub open, so you go in there and order beers. Your brother starts yelling at all the rednecks 'hey, I'm gay, you got a problem with that?' He just won't shut up, no matter what you say. Do you hit him yourself, or wait for the rednecks to beat you all up?"

I know it's a backwoodsy analogy, but I'll extend it anyway: No, the western powers (I'm australian, a wannabe western power, but anyway) don't owe Israel a damn thing for getting us into trouble. If they hadn't made a strategic decision based on a stupid book written millennia ago, we'd all be a lot better off.

Cheers.

You mean that there's lot of Syrians being occupied by Israel?

The point is that the Arabs can rot - the arab Muslims did not start genociding Khaibar because they were occupied.

"genociding" is not a word, nor can one single massacre a genocide make. As you are no doubt fully aware theres a far longer, bloodier history of anti-jewish violence in the West than in that region. I suggest you take your semi-trolling excuse for wit and be about your business elsewhere.

Hmmm... (http://kevan.org/brain.cgi?Alonocus)

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Meh. I have a better analogy.

"Saying that learning about contraceptives makes kids have sex is saying that learning how to drive will make kids go 90 miles an hour and hit a tree."

:D

Meh. I have a better analogy.

"Saying that learning about contraceptives makes kids have sex is saying that learning how to drive will make kids go 90 miles an hour and hit a tree."

:D

Ah, yes. A condom will solve this! A large prophlactic, in the shape of Israel! :eek:
Uh, the Wall? Not sure I'm getting your point.

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Well if you replace 'Israel' with 'Iraq', the poster might have a semi-literate highly-contrived point.

Possibly.


That said, he's right: We should support Israel. We should send them 10000 gold so they build a town hall and train lots of peons, with which they can mine gold and chop down trees to build barracks and towers and such-like.

Ah, yes. A condom will solve this! A large prophlactic, in the shape of Israel! :eek:
Uh, the Wall? Not sure I'm getting your point.

Arg... kinda hijacked it, sorry. But you have to admit, it is a good analogy, even if it has nothing to do with the thread. He he. Consider that a temporary fit of weirdness/randomness/insanity.:p

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I wonder what the guy getting raped did to piss others off so badly. And why he chose to play the game.

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Heres the thing about Israel, they took that land from the Palestinians twice! so its the Palestinians who are getting....you know.