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I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

Smoke and Booze Free here. :)

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*
You mean asbestos suit. :p

But you should drink. All the cool NSers do.

I drink but don't smoke.

I don't drink, smoke etc. either, but for different reasons. Quite simply, I value having a clear mind, and I don't like doing things that might impede that. Furthermore, the thought of addiction runs contrary to my preference of personal autonomy.

Dude, alcohol is healthy in moderation. Doctors say it's good if you have a glass of red wine a day.

Alcohol is different to the other drugs.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

What religious belief do you have? I get to drink alcholic wine in mine, but then again it kinda tastes like crap most of the time.

I don't drink, smoke etc. either, but for different reasons. Quite simply, I value having a clear mind, and I don't like doing things that might impede that.


As I said, thats my other justification :)

I don't drink, smoke etc. either, but for different reasons. Quite simply, I value having a clear mind, and I don't like doing things that might impede that. Furthermore, the thought of addiction runs contrary to my preference of personal autonomy.

Seconded.

What religious belief do you have? I get to drink alcholic wine in mine, but then again it kinda tastes like crap most of the time.


Its complicated, and I don't want a flame war directed at me lol

As I said, thats my other justification :)

I don't know why I missed that. Yes, you did.

I don't know why I missed that. Yes, you did.

lol, nothin wrong with it. We all make mistakes ;)

(Not that it really matters lol)

Drink, smoke, toke, nibble and suck.

I do it all and more besides, baby - !

Its complicated, and I don't want a flame war directed at me lol

ok, fair enough, oh and by the way I don't somke or take any drugs at all

No, there are plenty of other self-righteous straight-edgers out there who like to attempt to force their supposed moral authority on me, believe me.

Its complicated, and I don't want a flame war directed at me lol

So you're a scientologist?

No you aren't the only person.

I drink but don't smoke.

Its complicated, and I don't want a flame war directed at me lol
C'mon. All the cool NSers have flamewars directed at the. Be cool for once.:)

So you're a scientologist?
BURN TEH SCIENTOLOGISTS!

I don't drink because I see what damage drinking has done in my own family.

I don't smoke because I saw my grandpa died from it, and I love him alot.

I don't do drugs because I don't really want to have to be so wacked out of my mind to actually considered the significant of a piece of string.

No, there are plenty of other self-righteous straight-edgers out there who like to attempt to force their supposed moral authority on me, believe me.


I don't try to force it on anyone. I don't even bother my friends who do! I merely choose to refrain for personal reasons.

I don't do drugs because I don't really want to have to be so wacked out of my mind to actually considered the significant of a piece of string.
You could do worse than to investigate string. Kittens are considered cute when they do it, so why be uptight?

Play with the string. Go on.

You know you want to.

You could do worse than to investigate string. Kittens are considered cute when they do it, so why be uptight?

Play with the string. Go on.

You know you want to.

Well it's cute when kittens do it because they're easily entertained by simple things. It's not cute when you're high and are easily entertained by simple things.

I thinking smoking and drinking is horrible!!! Even though Im only 13 I have never/never will touch any ciggarettes,booze,drugs,ect...

So you're a scientologist?


Nope. Not a scientologist. I laugh at them.


Lets just say I don't trust religious organizations, but I believe the messages. So its a "custom" religion of sorts. I call it Abrahamism. I believe that all Abrahamic traditions are true, and should be followed. Also, that all religions, regardless of their beliefs, should be respected. THough I don't give much thought to religion.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

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No, but you still suck for not being like everyone else and getting fucked up :D

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

If you separate yourself from the social stigmatisms of drinking and still decide not to drink, great for you.

But, to be fair, alcohol is healthy for you if you avoid binge drinking. I don't avoid binge drinking, but who wants to live past 60 anyway?

I don't try to force it on anyone. I don't even bother my friends who do! I merely choose to refrain for personal reasons.

Good.

People who like to assert that they are morally superior simply because they refuse to touch *insert intoxicant of choice* piss me off.

Lots.

Anyway, aside from that, I don't care. You're the one missing out. *cracks open a beer for breakfast*

No, but you still suck for not being like everyone else and getting fucked up :D

ROFLMAO!!!!


LOL! I party with my buddies who do. I'm just the permanent designated driver.

But, to be fair, alcohol is healthy for you if you avoid binge drinking. I don't avoid binge drinking, but who wants to live past 60 anyway?

:D

Asylumny']I thinking smoking and drinking is horrible!!! Even though Im only 13 I have never/never will touch any ciggarettes,booze,drugs,ect...
OH WOW! A straight-edge 13 year old...
Then again, by the time I was 13 I had already lost my virginity (12), was addicted to cigs, and had just started drinking occasionally. What a fucked up world. But I quit smoking. Cigs.

Good.

People who like to assert that they are morally superior simply because they refuse to touch *insert intoxicant of choice* piss me off.

Lots.

Anyway, aside from that, I don't care. You're the one missing out. *cracks open a beer for breakfast*


LOL! I'm not a conservative. I'm not a bleedin' heart liberal. I fancy myself middle of the road. And you enjoy that beer. I like the drunken stories ;)

OH WOW! A straight-edge 13 year old...
Then again, by the time I was 13 I had already lost my virginity (12), was addicted to cigs, and had just started drinking occasionally. What a fucked up world. But I quit smoking. Cigs.


LOL!!

The most famous teetotalers in history are Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Muhammad Atta and Mullah Omar

Asylumny']I thinking smoking and drinking is horrible!!! Even though Im only 13 I have never/never will touch any ciggarettes,booze,drugs,ect...
Yeah, I think I said something similar at the time, myself - nah, who's kidding who? I've always been a reprobate.

Of course, I blame the public library system for my excesses.

OH WOW! A straight-edge 13 year old...
Then again, by the time I was 13 I had already lost my virginity (12), was addicted to cigs, and had just started drinking occasionally. What a fucked up world. But I quit smoking. Cigs.

Wow you where screwed up

(except for the virginity part)

The most famous teetotalers in history are Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Muhammad Atta and Mullah Omar


Thanks....I do love being compared to them.

I'm afraid my 'abstinence' is hardly as philosophical as others' here. I don't Drink or smoke, because I don't feel like it. If I did, I would. I have in the past. I have experiemented with a few unorthodox drugs too. But it just didn't click with me that much. I'm sort of crazy without drugs. Plus I like to be in control of myself. Granted Alcohol is great for lowering inhibitions, but so is self-confidence, only self-confidence doesn't have any of the drawbacks. But yeah. I don't 'not drink/smoke' I'll do it if I want to, but I rarely ever do, never these days. I think the real reason is that it feels like a waste of money. I'd prefer to do something just as fun, and free. Incidentally, I will probably end up getting drunk (for the first time in over a year) next weekend with my Dad, seeing as it will mean a lot to him, and possibly help persuade him to get a divorce. :p

Yeah, I think I said something similar at the time, myself - nah, who's kidding who? I've always been a reprobate.

Of course, I blame the public library system for my excesses.

Well the reason I dont want to drink is because I tried tekala, takela jello, rum, vodka, and beer (aww I hate it all, its not like I snuck it) tekala I thought was kool aid, tekala jello was in mexico my dad let me try it, in mexico they put rum in my coke, vodka I thought was water, and my dad let me try beer

Mexico is pretty screwed up for letting kids drink booze

I'm afraid my 'abstinence' is hardly as philosophical as others' here. I don't Drink or smoke, because I don't feel like it. If I did, I would. I have in the past. I have experiemented with a few unorthodox drugs too. But it just didn't click with me that much. I'm sort of crazy without drugs. Plus I like to be in control of myself. Granted Alcohol is great for lowering inhibitions, but so is self-confidence, only self-confidence doesn't have any of the drawbacks. But yeah. I don't 'not drink/smoke' I'll do it if I want to, but I rarely ever do, never these days. I think the real reason is that it feels like a waste of money. I'd prefer to do something just as fun, and free. Incidentally, I will probably end up getting drunk (for the first time in over a year) next weekend with my Dad, seeing as it will mean a lot to him, and possibly help persuade him to get a divorce. :p

RFLMAO!!!! I if I had room, that would be sig worthy.

I don't smoke cigarettes or drink, but I smoke pot occassionally. Right after I 'broke edge' I decided to try a variety of drugs, mostly just to understand what they were like, after gaining that knowledge they lost interest.

I kinda went stoner->edge->psychonaut->occassional stoner.

I was a masturbating wreck by age ten. I had sex with another human when I was 12. I got drunk my first time at age 12. I smoked dope at 13. I dropped acid at 14, ditto mushrooms. Took up smoking tobacco at around this time. And clove cigarettes. Ecstasy, 15. Dexedrine age 17.

But I purposefully interfered with the radar systems of Trudeau Int'l Airport in Montreal when I was only 9. Before the demon weed took hold - !

Asylumny']Well the reason I dont want to drink is because I tried tekala, takela jello, rum, vodka, and beer (aww I hate it all, its not like I snuck it) tekala I thought was kool aid, tekala jello was in mexico my dad let me try it, in mexico they put rum in my coke, vodka I thought was water, and my dad let me try beer

Mexico is pretty screwed up for letting kids drink booze


When I was in Russia, if you could see over the top of the bar, you were allowed to drink. At least thats what I was told by my teacher, who almost never joked.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*
Bravo Wanderjar! I just can't fathom why people would keep doing drugs. Or maybe the drug has possessed them. They claim it makes them relaxed or happy, but that's the drug talking.

I was a masturbating wreck by age ten. I had sex with another human when I was 12. I got drunk my first time at age 12. I smoked dope at 13. I dropped acid at 14, ditto mushrooms. Took up smoking tobacco at around this time. And clove cigarettes. Ecstasy, 15. Dexedrine age 17.

But I purposefully interfered with the radar systems of Trudeau Int'l Airport in Montreal when I was only 9. Before the demon weed took hold - !

the only that applies to me is that first one. i still am a wreck. When you say human....do you mean a guy or a girl

Bravo Wanderjar! I just can't fathom why people would keep doing drugs. Or maybe the drug has possessed them. They claim it makes them relaxed or happy, but that's the drug talking.
Oh, brother.:rolleyes:

Bravo Wanderjar! I just can't fathom why people would keep doing drugs. Or maybe the drug has possessed them. They claim it makes them relaxed or happy, but that's the drug talking.

Thanks Sel. Its my choice, but I've no problem with other people drinking or smoking. I'm not a big fan of drugs though. I hate them.

Asylumny']the only that applies to me is that first one. i still am a wreck. When you say human....do you mean a guy or a girl

Irrelevant to the topic-at-hand. Human.

Bravo Wanderjar! I just can't fathom why people would keep doing drugs. Or maybe the drug has possessed them. They claim it makes them relaxed or happy, but that's the drug talking.
Right....
You've never done rolls (exstacy)
And when you freak out while your trippin shrooms, and end up running down the beach for 20 minutes, well, honestly its just fun!

Irrelevant to the topic-at-hand. Human.
LOL one of his buddies spent the night

omfg lol Dont feel bad we are all a little curious. Just some a little more than others. Your not a other

Oh, brother.:rolleyes:

Begone, thou satanic junkie demon! *thwaps*

Asylumny']omfg lol Dont feel bad we are all a little curious


lol

Begone, thou satanic junkie demon! *thwaps*

*hisses*

err...I mean....The power christ compels you!!

though i'm not a christian......

LOL one of his buddies spent the night
I'm transgendered. Even then I was sexually ambiguous. And yes, one of my male friends did indeed spend the night. And it was hot. A night to remember. Yep.

I shouldnt haved loled, Im being a hipprocrit. i know how you feel

Its fun talking about sex with older bi men! I dont think Im bi I just REALLY want sex

Now when you say virginty...I consider different types of it....which one are u talkin about?

Also are we allowed to say fuck?

I don't smoke 'cause I don't like the smell/ feeling or, indeed, anything about it :p

I drink socially, but only very rarely do I do so heavily.

Were you still friends with him after?

I'm transgendered. Even then I was sexually ambiguous. And yes, one of my male friends did indeed spend the night. And it was hot. A night to remember. Yep.
You should date a bi chick.:rolleyes:

smart then he could watch his gf makeout with another girl

Asylumny']smart then he could watch his gf makeout with another girl

lol

Are we allowed to say FUCK?

Asylumny']Are we allowed to say FUCK?

lol


I do it periodically ;)

good in that case...

Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck

Asylumny']good in that case...

Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck Fuck

RFLMAO!!!!

o Im srry bout your cat

Glad it killed that fucking raccon though. They fell through my ceiling and tried to attack me. We had to call 911 for godsakes. Fuck racoons

Asylumny']o Im srry bout your cat

Glad it killed that fucking raccon though. They fell through my ceiling and tried to attack me. We had to call 911 for godsakes. Fuck racoons

LOL!!!! Holyshit dude, your hilarious.

Asy, check your TGs.

thank you. Its just random shit that pops into my head

I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs either. I'm 18 and the only of those things I've done was try a bit of alcohol; not enough to get drunk or even buzzed. I wasn't trying to anyway. I don't like the thought of losing control or getting addicted and I don't need to lose my inhibitions to have fun.

Asy, check your TGs.

????? What the hell is that?

I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs either. I'm 18 and the only of those things I've done was try a bit of alcohol; not enough to get drunk or even buzzed. I wasn't trying to anyway. I don't like the thought of losing control or getting addicted and I don't need to lose my inhibitions to have fun.


Good man. I agree with you 100%

Asylumny']????? What the hell is that?

Nationstates messages. You've probably got some asking you to come to their region. They're at the bottom of your NS page.

im so damn stupid

I think Wanderjar wants to "spend the night" with [NS]Asylumny.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

No, you aren't the only one who doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, and doesn't fuck. That means you aren't out of step with the world.

Cookie for the first person to catch the referance.

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I don't smoke, drink, or do drugs. TBH, part of that is because smoking and drinking would kill me fairly quickly (alchohol allergy AND bad asthma), but most of it is a desire to not lose my mental edge (hehe).

What the flip is GASN

I think Wanderjar wants to "spend the night" with [NS]Asylumny.

I think I want to spend the night with your family. It will be fun. I can tie them all too a chair and then :mp5:

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*
Drug free.

Fries are basically poison, too, but I eat them. I drink, usually in moderation. Occassionally I binge. I like my mind slightly dulled. If you dealt with it every day, youd probably understand.

Drug free.

Fries are basically poison, too, but I eat them. I drink, usually in moderation. Occassionally I binge. I like my mind slightly dulled. If you dealt with it every day, youd probably understand.

You dont need booze to "slightly" dull your mind. I think slighty is an understatement

Asylumny']I think I want to spend the night with your family. It will be fun. I can tie them all too a chair and then :mp5:

Wow, you are a wild one. Is there anything that is taboo to you?

are you coming on to me? you child molester!!! *crying* *hides in corner*
What the heck is taboo?

Straight Edge is for that pansies. *nod*

Asylumny']are you coming on to me? you child molester!!! *crying* *hides in corner*
What the heck is taboo?

Trust me, hes not ;)


Taboo is something that society frowns upon, or holds as being wrong.

Straight Edge is for that pansies. *nod*

piss off, I don't need to drink to prove I'm a badass.

I responded by the way Asy

piss off, I don't need to drink to prove I'm a badass.
Yes you do. *begins taking off belt*

*struggles with belt*

*falls over*

*struggles with belt*

So your asking if Im a board game??

http://www.boardgames.com/taboo.html

taboo reminds me of yogurt. Also tell me what it really means

Yes you do. *begins taking off belt*

*struggles with belt*

*falls over*

*struggles with belt*

lol!

Good one bro. :)

Asylumny']taboo reminds me of yogurt. Also tell me what it really means

I did.

Asylumny']So your asking if Im a board game??

http://www.boardgames.com/taboo.html
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/taboo

Cicety already frowns apon me. I already have plans for world domination

Straight Edge is for that pansies. *nod*

Why? I mean.. It certainly does have overtones of sheep-following-sheep in how it got eaten up and destroyed by mainstream culture, but how the fuck is it for pansies? Because they don't need to numb their minds to survive? Because they want to be in control and fight for control of themselves, rather than give up control? If you need alchohol to be tough, then you have other problems.

I don't understand the enmity so many people feel for straightedge. Very few edgers feel the need to preach to other people, except when people give them shit. Yeah, Hardliners are bastards, but the two are completely different.

It all starts with east timor. Their miliatry budget is 4.4 mil, haha. Their ccapital is named Dili. My name is Dylan. Perfect dont you think?

No, you aren't the only one who doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, and doesn't fuck. That means you aren't out of step with the world.

Cookie for the first person to catch the referance.

Listen, this are no set of rules, I'm not trying to tell you what to do, all I'm saying is I'm bringing up three things in the world that are so important to me...

Minor Threat. <33

Listen, this are no set of rules, I'm not trying to tell you what to do, all I'm saying is I'm bringing up three things in the world that are so important to me...

Minor Threat. <33

=D

http://www.myhomecooking.net/chocolate-chip-cookies/chocolate-chip-cookies_small.jpg

Great band.

It doesn't matter if it's fucking... Or playing golf. Because of these things, I feel like...

Why? I mean.. It certainly does have overtones of sheep-following-sheep in how it got eaten up and destroyed by mainstream culture, but how the fuck is it for pansies? Because they don't need to numb their minds to survive? Because they want to be in control and fight for control of themselves, rather than give up control? If you need alchohol to be tough, then you have other problems.

I don't understand the enmity so many people feel for straightedge. Very few edgers feel the need to preach to other people, except when people give them shit. Yeah, Hardliners are bastards, but the two are completely different.
Most of the straight edgers I know, chose to be straight edge before the found it it was cool.

And we need to preacch, because we are the least sure of our beliefs. We are not trying to conver them, but rather conver ourselves.

Most of the straight edgers I know, chose to be straight edge before the found it it was cool.

I didn't even know what the hell straightedge was until I turned 16. I was already commited to all of the things for the same reason. The problem is that most of the "straight edgers" I know are scene kids who just do it 'cause all their favorite Hardcore bands do. Ian Mackaye was totally appauled by the whole response Straight Edge got in the underground. It's become something you have to do, rather than something you choose to do.

On the other hand, there are still many edgers who heard the words that Mackaye was saying and said "Yeah... That's what I think too".

And we need to preacch, because we are the least sure of our beliefs. We are not trying to conver them, but rather conver ourselves.

By we do you mean Straightedgers, or non-edgers?

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

Out of curiosity, when you say that you don't believe in substances that "alter your state of mind," does that include prescription drugs? Antidepressants and antipsychotics, if successful, obviously alter one's state of mind, but it would be hard to make a reasonable argument that that's a change for the worse. For that matter, taking aspirin when you have a bad headache probably alters your state of mind - I know I certainly get cranky and tired when I have a bad headache, and am likely to cheer up when it goes away.

I didn't even know what the hell straightedge was until I turned 16. I was already commited to all of the things for the same reason. The problem is that most of the "straight edgers" I know are scene kids who just do it 'cause all their favorite Hardcore bands do. Ian Mackaye was totally appauled by the whole response Straight Edge got in the underground. It's become something you have to do, rather than something you choose to do.

On the other hand, there are still many edgers who heard the words that Mackaye was saying and said "Yeah... That's what I think too".
Ian Mackaye rings a bell. What band was he from? I only know of straight edge from my punk friend.


By we do you mean Straightedgers, or non-edgers?
I am not straight edge. But I think it could apply to more than one group of people so I left it at we.

=D

http://www.myhomecooking.net/chocolate-chip-cookies/chocolate-chip-cookies_small.jpg

Great band.

It doesn't matter if it's fucking... Or playing golf. Because of these things, I feel like...

Funny thing is I was listening to Teen Idles as I read the post.

And Fugazi came on after I was done replying.

No, there are plenty of other self-righteous straight-edgers out there who like to attempt to force their supposed moral authority on me, believe me.
*cracks open warm, probably skunked, keystone light and cheers with Kanabia*

and its a little flat too...:(

Ian Mackaye rings a bell. What band was he from? I only know of straight edge from my punk friend.

He was the lead singer of Minor Threat, Fugazi, Embrace, and The Evens (and technically Egg Hunt, although few people have heard of them). He also played bass for the Teen Idles. He coined the term straight edge in a song by Minor Threat (http://www.lyricsdomain.com/13/minor_threat/straight_edge.html).

I had assumed that you were a punker of some kind from your Username. Posi is a kind of Hardcore (Positive Hardcore) that tends to trumpet straight edge vaules and an upbeat, positive mental attitude. Shows me wrong. :P

Edit: Ack.. I forgot a band!

Edit 2: 2 bands... Damn... The man has played in too many bands!!

I had assumed that you were a punker of some kind from your Username. Posi is a kind of Hardcore (Positive Hardcore) that tends to trumpet straight edge vaules and an upbeat, positive mental attitude. Shows me wrong. :P
So some people do get the reference.:fluffle:

So some people do get the reference.:fluffle:

Good Clean Fun go somewhere on my top ten bands list. :D

I don't smoke. I do drink alcohol occasionally -- occasionally being a glass of something maybe once or twice a month.

Ian Mackaye rings a bell. What band was he from? I only know of straight edge from my punk friend.

Teen Idles, Minor Threat, Embrace, Fugazi, The Evens as well as a number of side projects.

And I was beat to it...:(

Teen Idles, Minor Threat, Embrace, Fugazi, The Evens as well as a number of side projects.

And I was beat to it...:(

But you got all of them in one try. I had to go back and edit twice!

Good Clean Fun go somewhere on my top ten bands list. :D
Well, they aren't bad, that's for sure.

Out of curiosity, when you say that you don't believe in substances that "alter your state of mind," does that include prescription drugs? Antidepressants and antipsychotics, if successful, obviously alter one's state of mind

They most certainly do. I neither drink nor smoke, but I take mind-altering drugs on a daily basis because my mind so badly needs altering. For me, the specific mind-altering drugs that I am prescribed put me more in control of my mind than I am by default.

but it would be hard to make a reasonable argument that that's a change for the worse.

Not so hard, if it's the wrong drug. Many antidepressants initially increase suicide risk; most will trigger a manic phase in bipolar patients who were incorrectly diagnosed as unipolar. Effexor side effects meant that overall, it was definitely a change for the worse. Psychopharmacology is not an exact science; something that works for one patient may exacerbate another's symptoms, and there certainly ARE cases where prescription psychoactive medications make things worse. Prescribing doctors often have to observe carefully and tweak doses and drugs in order to alter one's state of mind in a desirable manner.

what the hell are you talking about? We WHERE talking about pointless stuff, but no ,you have to come in here and stay on topic

I never drink alcohol nor smoke either. Those are very dangerous substance that destroys you and take control of you.

Not so hard, if it's the wrong drug. Many antidepressants initially increase suicide risk; most will trigger a manic phase in bipolar patients who were incorrectly diagnosed as unipolar. Effexor side effects meant that overall, it was definitely a change for the worse. Psychopharmacology is not an exact science; something that works for one patient may exacerbate another's symptoms, and there certainly ARE cases where prescription psychoactive medications make things worse. Prescribing doctors often have to observe carefully and tweak doses and drugs in order to alter one's state of mind in a desirable manner.

*grin* Note the all-important phrase "if successful" in the post you responded to. (And trust me, I know from extensive experience how the wrong drugs can make things worse. Ohhhh dear me yes.)

*grin* Note the all-important phrase "if successful" in the post you responded to.

Ah.

This might seem picky to you, but the grammar misled me. I read the "if successful" to modify "obviously alter one's state of mind" but not the subordinate clause of, "it would be hard to make a reasonable argument that that's a change for the worse."

I apologise for the confusion.

Ah.

This might seem picky to you, but the grammar misled me. I read the "if successful" to modify "obviously alter one's state of mind" but not the subordinate clause of, "it would be hard to make a reasonable argument that that's a change for the worse."

I apologise for the confusion.

Heh. To be similarly picky, I'll say that I intended "if successful" to modify the clause it appeared to modify, but was using "successful" in a particularly connotationally positive sense, i.e. "successful in dong what they are intended to be doing," rather than "successful in doing something mind-altering."

Also, no need to apologize. It's 3 AM where I am now, and I wouldn't be one bit surprised if I'm a little less articulate and comprehensible now than I would have been a few hours ago. :)

To the OP, you're surely not the only one not to imbibe or inhale. And as far as booze, good for you, or not, depending on which health studies you read.

The trouble lies in when one doesn't drink or smoke and then brags about it or proselytizes about it -- the "straight edge" movement comes to mind. When a group of people get together and try to sell not partaking as "cool", I'm always reminded of the "Butt Out" episode of South Park. A group of older kids/20ers comes to the school and does a supremely cheesy no smoking "up with people" kind of presentation which the four kid protagonists find so distasteful that the immediately decide to go out and smoke. Terrific social commentary/satire.

It also reminds me of the late, great Bill Hicks:

"First of all, I smoke. If any of you folks out there have a problem with that, I suggest you look around at the world we're living in and shuttin' your fuckin' mouth. How many non-smokers do we have here tonight? *vociferous applause* Yeah...buncha whiny fuckin' maggots. I hate you with all of my little black heart. My greatest fear if I quit smokin' is that I'll become one of you."

God bless the Goat-Boy.

The most famous teetotalers in history are Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Muhammad Atta and Mullah Omar

And Ian Mackaye.

And Ian Mackaye.
And Dean Martin (the drinks in his act were all fake).

To the OP, you're surely not the only one not to imbibe or inhale. And as far as booze, good for you, or not, depending on which health studies you read.

The trouble lies in when one doesn't drink or smoke and then brags about it or proselytizes about it -- the "straight edge" movement comes to mind. When a group of people get together and try to sell not partaking as "cool", I'm always reminded of the "Butt Out" episode of South Park. A group of older kids/20ers comes to the school and does a supremely cheesy no smoking "up with people" kind of presentation which the four kid protagonists find so distasteful that the immediately decide to go out and smoke. Terrific social commentary/satire.

It also reminds me of the late, great Bill Hicks:

"First of all, I smoke. If any of you folks out there have a problem with that, I suggest you look around at the world we're living in and shuttin' your fuckin' mouth. How many non-smokers do we have here tonight? *vociferous applause* Yeah...buncha whiny fuckin' maggots. I hate you with all of my little black heart. My greatest fear if I quit smokin' is that I'll become one of you."

God bless the Goat-Boy.
Though, the straight edge movement was different. The people advocating it were looked up to, instead of mocked.

Though, the straight edge movement was different. The people advocating it were looked up to, instead of mocked.
Not at the HS in which I taught. The "Edgers" were roundly mocked because they mishandled their position and really botched their message. It always came out as strident, artificially enthusiastic, and really shallow, and kids see through that like saran wrap.

EDIT: Had I been in charge, I'd have called it the Not Puking On Your Date, Crashing Your Car, Getting Raped or Landing In Jail Anti-Dumbass Movement.

The trouble lies in when one doesn't drink or smoke and then brags about it or proselytizes about it -- the "straight edge" movement comes to mind.


Simply not true. Straight Edge has never been particularly agressive in it's motives. It has often been very defensive (People actively declare that there must be something wrong with someone who doesn't smoke, drink or fuck. It's no suprise that the bands that first started writing Straight Edge music felt the need to say "Hey, shut the fuck up. I do this for a reason"), but it runs against the very nature of Straight Edge to go out there and proselytize. After all, Straight Edge was about not letting anything keep you from thinking for yourself. Why woud any Edger then go out and try to force others to make a desision. You'll find that the most hardcore Straight Edgers are also for the legalization of drugs.

Don't beleive me? From the bridge of one of the two songs that started it all:

"Listen: this no set of rules. I'm not telling you what to do. All I'm saying is I'm bringing up 3 things that are so important to the world I don't happen to find much importance in and because of these things; Whether they're fucking, or playing golf, Because of them, I feel like...

I can't keep up!"

Hardliners (the guys who will beat you up if you aint straightedge) are a different matter, but most people who subscribe to Straight Edge ideals don't have a lot of use for them anyway.

Simply not true. Straight Edge has never been particularly agressive in it's motives. It has often been very defensive (People actively declare that there must be something wrong with someone who doesn't smoke, drink or fuck. It's no suprise that the bands that first started writing Straight Edge music felt the need to say "Hey, shut the fuck up. I do this for a reason"), but it runs against the very nature of Straight Edge to go out there and proselytize. After all, Straight Edge was about not letting anything keep you from thinking for yourself. Why woud any Edger then go out and try to force others to make a desision. You'll find that the most hardcore Straight Edgers are also for the legalization of drugs.

Don't beleive me? From the bridge of one of the two songs that started it all:

"Listen: this no set of rules. I'm not telling you what to do. All I'm saying is I'm bringing up 3 things that are so important to the world I don't happen to find much importance in and because of these things; Whether they're fucking, or playing golf, Because of them, I feel like...

I can't keep up!"

Hardliners (the guys who will beat you up if you aint straightedge) are a different matter, but most people who subscribe to Straight Edge ideals don't have a lot of use for them anyway.
Then again, the Edgers in my last post were also majority charismatic evangelicals as well...prone to artificial enthusiasm and the rest of it.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*


Alright. Thats chill. SO you don't drink/smoke. Good for you. I really don't care, but its not like I'm about to force you to do drugs or nothin'. I'm a stoner, and drink occasionally, smoke cigarettes occasionally (socially)....eat acid, do mushrooms (although I can't get mushrooms right now...unless I had like $800), etc.

It sucks. Anyway, I actually know no sotner, or anyone who does any drug, in fact, who is about to attempt to pressure you into doing drugs. Unless by pressuring, you mean asking, and then being kind of disappointed.

Good luck in life.

P.S. In reference to your not wanting to look at string: but string is the SHIT!!! I think I actually stared at some string once when I was on acid. Maybe.

P.P.S. At least you don't try to copnvert anyone to straight-edgeness.

Not at the HS in which I taught. The "Edgers" were roundly mocked because they mishandled their position and really botched their message. It always came out as strident, artificially enthusiastic, and really shallow, and kids see through that like saran wrap.

EDIT: Had I ben in charge, I'd have called it the Not Puking On Your Date, Crashing Your Car, Getting Raped or Landing In Jail Anti-Dumbass Movement.
I'm not talking about the people who went to schools. A school would never allow one of these groups to perform. It would be much to unpopular with the parents. Remember, they live in the days of Sid Vicious, they remember punk as nothing but drugs.

*snip*
do mushrooms (although I can't get mushrooms right now...unless I had like $800), etc.
*snip*

$800 psilocybin happy fungus? Good Lord and Waters, your dealer is ripping you off by an order of magnitude!

I'm not talking about the people who went to schools. A school would never allow one of these groups to perform. It would be much to unpopular with the parents. Remember, they live in the days of Sid Vicious, they remember punk as nothing but drugs.
We're talking across purposes. The Straight Edge movement had nothing to do with bands -- at least, again, not where I was (public school in suburban Seattle).

$800 psilocybin happy fungus? Good Lord and Waters, your dealer is ripping you off by an order of magnitude!
Maybe he buys in bulk?

Or has bills to pay first?

$800 psilocybin happy fungus? Good Lord and Waters, your dealer is ripping you off by an order of magnitude!


No. Not at all. It's just that this dude (not my dealer) sells, but he sells at a half-pound minimum. I have no one around who can hook up the good ole psilocybin. Pisses me off. I want to eat some mushrooms. I haven't in God knows how long. That shit is too expensive for me. Whatever. One of my best friends deals acid. I can get it almost any time. He lives across the street.

Then again, the Edgers in my last post were also majority charismatic evangelicals as well...prone to artificial enthusiasm and the rest of it.

Christian "Punk" did pick the idea up and run with it. They make the Edgers who weren't Straight Edge because their Youth-Group councilor told them to be look like total fucks.

A particularly amusing group of Edgers from DC wrote this set of lyrics:

"So if you're waiting for judgment day
Or if you're waiting to get paid
It's all the same, it's just two different ways to pray
That we don't need, don't want your fairy tales or greed
The scene is strong and we're still gone be here when you're gone"

Which tend to speak strongly for a large majority of the Punkers who feel totally misused every time Punk "breaks" and some other half-assed mockery of what Punk stood for gets sold by a major label and who feel that the magical appearance of a "Christian side of Punk" is absolute nonsense.

*snip, but true*
A particularly amusing group of Edgers from DC wrote this set of lyrics:

"So if you're waiting for judgment day
Or if you're waiting to get paid
It's all the same, it's just two different ways to pray
That we don't need, don't want your fairy tales or greed
The scene is strong and we're still gonna be here when you're gone"

*snip, but true, too*
They're Christian punks but don't understand or believe in the supposed Rapture? It is to laugh. Or weep....

No. Not at all. It's just that this dude (not my dealer) sells, but he sells at a half-pound minimum. I have no one around who can hook up the good ole psilocybin. Pisses me off. I want to eat some mushrooms. I haven't in God knows how long. That shit is too expensive for me. Whatever. One of my best friends deals acid. I can get it almost any time. He lives across the street.
I never tried acid. I don't need permanent brain chemistry changes. Temporary ones will do nicely, thanks. I've seen too many people completely wig out or develop all sorts of nasty behavioral patterns on acid.

I only did shrooms once, and after laughing for the first thirty minutes (because shrooms grow on cow turds, and that means happiness can come out of a cow's ass...and that's funny), I sat in a field for four hours and thought to myself, my God, I...love...everything.

So I can see why they're illegal.

We're talking across purposes. The Straight Edge movement had nothing to do with bands -- at least, again, not where I was (public school in suburban Seattle).

Heh... I can understand the confusion then. We seem to have an obnoxious bunch of self-important evangelists taking on the name of Straight Edge (and at times trying to rewrite the entire movement) around here. That's why Enumclaw (Aberdeen, maybe) spawned the atrocity that was/is MxPx. I wouldn't take the Seattle Schools (or for that matter Kirkland, Belevue, or Lake Washington schools) as an example of anything of what rich kids with too much time, too little brain power, and a number of overzealous churches can do. Luckily, I've only got a year of it left to put up with.

Don't worry, it will have gone out of fashion in 2 or 3 more years and they'll be calling it by some new name, but still just hearing what their youth councilor wanted them to.

I don't trust anyone who doesn't drink and smoke

They're Christian punks but don't understand or believe in the supposed Rapture? It is to laugh. Or weep....

No, the band isn't christian at all. The band is making fun of the christian punks. The song is entitled "Between Christian Rock and a Hard Place". It's funny stuff, actually.

"Between Christian rock and a hard place, I think I'd choose the hard place. The choice between selling out and dying out... That's a cross I'll have to bear" :p

Really, a lot of fun, but occasionally nonsensical.

Heh... I can understand the confusion then. We seem to have an obnoxious bunch of self-important evangelists taking on the name of Straight Edge (and at times trying to rewrite the entire movement) around here. That's why Enumclaw (Aberdeen, maybe) spawned the atrocity that was/is MxPx. I wouldn't take the Seattle Schools (or for that matter Kirkland, Belevue, or Lake Washington schools) as an example of anything of what rich kids with too much time, too little brain power, and a number of overzealous churches can do. Luckily, I've only got a year of it left to put up with.

Don't worry, it will have gone out of fashion in 2 or 3 more years and they'll be calling it by some new name, but still just hearing what their youth councilor wanted them to.
Okay, I'll fess up, it was Lynnwood (or as my students called it, LynnHood).

I was polite enough to allow a student to share his Mx/Px CD in music appreciation...I had to hide my distaste. Jars of Clay were marginally better, if repetitive, and a bit whiny.

I never tried acid. I don't need permanent brain chemistry changes. Temporary ones will do nicely, thanks. I've seen too many people completely wig out or develop all sorts of nasty behavioral patterns on acid.

I only did shrooms once, and after laughing for the first thirty minutes (because shrooms grow on cow turds, and that means happiness can come out of a cow's ass...and that's funny), I sat in a field for four hours and thought to myself, my God, I...love...everything.

So I can see why they're illegal.


I love Bill Hicks.

And I really don't give a shit if I wig out after having dropped and go insane.

Guess thats what you get for not giving a shit about anyhting. But you know, I love acid. It is one of the best, most fun, amazing experiences I have ever had.

I don't trust anyone who doesn't drink and smoke

Point in case. :p

And I really don't give a shit if I wig out after having dropped and go insane.

Guess thats what you get for not giving a shit about anyhting. But you know, I love acid. It is one of the best, most fun, amazing experiences I have ever had.
Well, do what you will, but harm none, my friend. And for the love of all that's Holy, don't drive on that shit.

Okay, I'll fess up, it was Lynnwood (or as my students called it, LynnHood).

I was polite enough to allow a student to share his Mx/Px CD in music appreciation...I had to hide my distaste. Jars of Clay were marginally better, if repetitive, and a bit whiny.

Ah. I'm a bit closer in to Seattle (for privacy reasons I'm not saying where in exact), but we get much of the same nonsense. Ironically, we are supposed to be the spiritual dead-zone of the world at large (or at least, so the Seattle Times keeps trying to tell me). Apparently they don't realize how large the Mormon population is.

Well, do what you will, but harm none, my friend. And for the love of all that's Holy, don't drive on that shit.


Yeah. I don't. And do not intend to. You know, I have a friend who can drive really well fucked up. In fact, says he almost prefers it. He ate mushrooms for the first time...he was fucked up for like...three days, and had to go to drivers ed, and had to learn to drive, in a car and such, while fucked up as hell on mushrooms. He straight up learned to drive on mushrooms. He drives really well.

Yeah. I don't. And do not intend to. You know, I have a friend who can drive really well fucked up. In fact, says he almost prefers it. He ate mushrooms for the first time...he was fucked up for like...three days, and had to go to drivers ed, and had to learn to drive, in a car and such, while fucked up as hell on mushrooms. He straight up learned to drive on mushrooms. He drives really well.
Sorry, but no matter what he thinks, he's merely been extremely lucky. And that kind of luck runs out at really bad times.

Couple of points I'd like to make:

1. Anyone who makes a thread pronoucing that they dont drink, or smoke, is a pretentious asswipe.
Saying something as assinine as "I dont like to put posions in my body" is about as pretentious as you can be, becuase in the same breath, you are denouncing anyone who does, and also claiming some sort of arrogant superiority all at the same time.

THATS what makes a person a loser, not whether they choose to drink or smoke.

2. Pretentious, attention seeking assclowns should be ignored, or avoided.

Ah. I'm a bit closer in to Seattle (for privacy reasons I'm not saying where in exact), but we get much of the same nonsense. Ironically, we are supposed to be the spiritual dead-zone of the world at large (or at least, so the Seattle Times keeps trying to tell me). Apparently they don't realize how large the Mormon population is.
NO KIDDING! Those kin-of-Brigham are EVERYwhere around here! I had a friend who dated one in high school and came to the conclusion that they're all Twinkies: all golden and appealing on the outside, but what's inside is gooshy and completely unnatural.

Couple of points I'd like to make:

1. Anyone who makes a thread pronoucing that they dont drink, or smoke, is a pretentious asswipe.
Saying something as assinine as "I dont like to put posions in my body" is about as pretentious as you can be, becuase in the same breath, you are denouncing anyone who does, and also claiming some sort of arrogant superiority all at the same time.

THATS what makes a person a loser, not whether they choose to drink or smoke.

2. Pretentious, attention seeking assclowns should be ignored, or avoided.
I agree your view, but don't share it in this case. The "poisons" comment is coming close to the standard "pretentious twat by disassociation" model usually used by all kinds of abstinence pushers. I don't thing the OP was acting in that manner because he didn't press his point harshly or judgmentally.

What you're describing reminds me of what I think about some fundamentalists: they think sex is bad because sex with them always is.

Of course, there's always tomorrow...he could come back and unredeem himself.

NO KIDDING! Those kin-of-Brigham are EVERYwhere around here! I had a friend who dated one in high school and came to the conclusion that they're all Twinkies: all golden and appealing on the outside, but what's inside is gooshy and completely unnatural.

I spent much of my elementary and Junior High School years in a neighborhood that had grown up around a LDS church. For the most part it was a good neighborhood (the only real crime we had was a group of kids who had gone bad ; yes, that happens; and kept bringing their dealer in and around the street and stealing from neighbors), but it was repressive as hell. I, a fairly normal kid, had a moderately bad mouth. I got hit by friends when I would curse even mildly, and if there was any hint that I was drinking a caffinated soda, I was gonna get a lecture from someone.

Sorry, but no matter what he thinks, he's merely been extremely lucky. And that kind of luck runs out at really bad times.

Oh yeah for sure. He don't drive on psychedelics; his trips have changed, he doesn't think he could. He doesn't drive drunk. Knows he can't he'll drive high, though. He's still lucky, I know. He'll probably die in a car accident, although he is actually quite a good driver. I might very well die as well. I ride with that fool a lot. Whatever, though. I really don't give a fuck.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*Hehe, go for it. But your take on alcohol isn't quite correct. Everything is poison; the dosage is the key. Limited amounts of alcohol are healthy. ;)

That said, I don't smoke and never have.

I agree your view, but don't share it in this case. The "poisons" comment is coming close to the standard "pretentious twat by disassociation" model usually used by all kinds of abstinence pushers. I don't thing the OP was acting in that manner because he didn't press his point harshly or judgmentally.

Of course he didnt.
If he did he would come off as judgemental, and couldnt claim the moral high-ground.
Anyone who subletly attempts to claim such morality, usually never has it.
Thus...pretentious asswipe.


Another thing is, I wonder if this person drinks caffeine, or any sort of dairy, or canned, or processed foods, or anything other than home-grown vegetables grown from 100% all-natural fertilizers?

If not, then he puts "poisons" in his body every day.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think my mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*
fixed. but i do agree to some extent... alcohol is a drug, highly addictive and dangerous to health in many ways, as well as causing antisocial and often violent behaviour.
however, i don't not-drink these days because i'm worried about poisoning my body (i used to drink plenty at uni) but because i realised i don't actually enjoy being drunk, and don't enjoy the taste of booze to drink it with meals and the like.

i don't smoke (and never have) because there's no point smoking cigarettes... you end up addicted with a habit that's expensive and ultimately pointless. at least smoking weed, while also bad for your health, you do get high :)

Non Drinker on the whole. Once every couple of months I get drunk (and I intend to tonight as it's my birthday) but never touch it otherwise.

I am a smoker. I started during my GCSEs when I was looking for something to deal with stress that wouldnt burn my brain cells. I guess weed is a gateway drug- it led me to tobacco. I used to smoke about 7 rollies a day but now god knows, it varies so much because I go for hours without wanting to eat or smoke and then have a period of the opposite.

Non Drinker on the whole. Once every couple of months I get drunk (and I intend to tonight as it's my birthday) but never touch it otherwise.Happy birthday then! :)

[QUOTE=DHomme]Non Drinker on the whole. Once every couple of months I get drunk (and I intend to tonight as it's my birthday) but never touch it otherwise.[QUOTE]


Happy Birthday.

Have fun being drunk.

Happy birthday then! :)
Thankyou.

or

Cheers! *clink*

happy birthday DHomme, man :)


smoke a fatty for me :P (incidentally i might be getting high for the first time in a year myself tonight... yay! i think my mind can handle it again now, heh)

Then again, the Edgers in my last post were also majority charismatic evangelicals as well...prone to artificial enthusiasm and the rest of it.

Ah yes, the 'Jesus Edge' kids... alot of the founding straight edge bands tended to being rather anti-religious, so religious fundie kids who claim edge, when really they don't do it because they feel it contradicts their religion are really kind of missing the point.

Ah yes, the 'Jesus Edge' kids... alot of the founding straight edge bands tended to being rather anti-religious, so religious fundie kids who claim edge, when really they don't do it because they feel it contradicts their religion are really kind of missing the point.


It reminds me of a shirt that you can buy at the nearest mall.
In it will likely be a store that caters to the heavy metal/punk crowd.

The shirt reads as follows:

"You laugh at me becuase Im different, I laugh at you becuase your all the same".

The shirt is sold in a variety of sizes, in nice stacks of ten shirts per size....


Its like wanting a tatoo that says "I got this tatoo so I could be different, like everyone else."

It reminds me of a shirt that you can buy at the nearest mall.
In it will likely be a store that caters to the heavy metal/punk crowd.

The shirt reads as follows:

"You laugh at me becuase Im different, I laugh at you becuase your all the same".

The shirt is sold in a variety of sizes, in nice stacks of ten shirts per size....


Its like wanting a tatoo that says "I got this tatoo so I could be different, like everyone else."



Yeah. Its just some more stupid conformist bullshit.


I want a shirt that reads "I don't laugh because you are all the same, I just think you're stupid.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.

Whats your take?
I don't drink or smoke either. I don't drink because I don't like the effect alcohol has on me. I don't like not being able to drive. I don't like hearing about the stupid things I did the night before. If I'm going to go out and have a blast, I want to do it with all my brain cells.

I don't smoke anymore because of the baby. I had one cigarette on each of his first four days. After that, it just wasn't worth it anymore. Not that I ever smoked in the house, even when I lived alone. But it stays on your clothes and when you hold the baby, he breathes in the smoke particles. I've never subjected anyone to my second hand smoke and I wasn't about to start with my newborn son. According to my quitmeter it's been: Two months, three weeks, 5 hours, 47 minutes and 39 seconds. 986 cigarettes not smoked, saving $188.50. Life saved: 3 days, 10 hours, 10 minutes.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

It's nice to find someone who agrees with yours truly on the issue.
It's most entertaining witnessing the drunken follies of others while being perfectly sobre.

It's nice to find someone who agrees with yours truly on the issue.
It's most entertaining witnessing the drunken follies of others while being perfectly sobre.


I think it was Sinatra who said:

"I feel sorry for people who dont drink. When you wake up in the morning...thats the best youre gonna feel all day."

Don't drink, smoke, do drugs, or have much of a social life, outside the net, apparently..:( Do I have any regrets about what I'm missing? Considering that I have my health, something I might not have if I was not acting this way? Heck no..I feel I couldn't have done differently and remain true to myself..Plus with me being so well..introvert irl, I've gained far more friends online than I ever could, irl.:D

I don't smoke coz it's nasty...and I don't drink, but do I need a reason not to?

I'm aware of the whole toxins thing, but ultimately it's a pay-off between sitting there sober as fuck and having slightly less chance of liver disease and oral cancer or whatever, or having rather more fun. I've tried being sober. I'll stick to drinking, thanks.

What religious belief do you have? I get to drink alcholic wine in mine, but then again it kinda tastes like crap most of the time.
Ditto.

"I don't drink water. Fish f--k in it." --W.C. Fields

Don't smoke but I do drink once in a purple moon.

No, there are plenty of other self-righteous straight-edgers out there who like to attempt to force their supposed moral authority on me, believe me.

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The reason I stopped smoking early was because it was shit. If I'm going to kill myself/fuck myself up, I want to be having a damn good time doing it. Smoking's just about keeping the cravings at bay after a few weeks.

I drink because I enjoy the taste, but I know I could go a long time without having any alcohol. It might be bad for me, but I don't drink it in large amounts, so I doubt it'll cause me any serious problems.

I don't smoke very often, and never smoke only tobacco. Moderation. It's the key to enjoying life.

Moderation. It's the key to enjoying life.
Yeah, true. However, I need the occasional loss of control as a reminder as to what it's like. Strangely, getting absolutely battered every once in a while stays the urge to get that drunk again for...at least a week. ¬_¬

Yeah, true. However, I need the occasional loss of control as a reminder as to what it's like. Strangely, getting absolutely battered every once in a while stays the urge to get that drunk again for...at least a week. ¬_¬
I get the loss of control once every few months. It's unlikely I'd ever have more than 4 pints in one 'session' (ie. one evening in the pub).

I get the loss of control once every few months. It's unlikely I'd ever have more than 4 pints in one 'session' (ie. one evening in the pub).
Wow. It's not often I have less than 4 pints in one session.

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong...

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*
I have never drank nor smoked, either. Penn & Teller pretty much do the same.

Wow. It's not often I have less than 4 pints in one session.

Maybe I'm looking at this wrong...
Possibly...but then, you live with medics.

Possibly...but then, you live with medics.
This is true. Our house does have its own club called the Litre Club, I suppose, and if there isn't at least 2 bottles of gin in the fridge then two of the Medics may die.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*
Well alcohol *is* a drug.. :p

I don't smoke. I did, but I now want nothing to do with it. It's stupid..

I drink, and I will continue to do so.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

I don't drink or smoke, and I don't intend to ever start. Partly for the same reason as you and partly because I'm too young.

Probably. Good for you retard boy.

Probably. Good for you retard boy.

Piss off man!

I also don't drink alcohol or smoke. The reason simply being that I don't like the taste. No coffee or tea either. It's weird in a way, most people I hear around me didn't like their first drink/smoke, yet for some peculiar reason, they go on anyway. I suppose I simply haven't the patience to 'learn to appreciate it'.

happy birthday DHomme, man :)


smoke a fatty for me :P (incidentally i might be getting high for the first time in a year myself tonight... yay! i think my mind can handle it again now, heh)

Vodka + weed + killing sliugs with zalt = fun!

Well, I do drink on the rare occasion, and I don't smoke. I only ever drink with friends and even then I only ever have one glass of something or other with a decent taste. Last time I had any alchohol must have been last November, yeah, it's been a while.

I don't drink or smoke... I see no point to drinking, other than to get drunk, in which I see even LESS of a point, and smoking is just stupid on so many levels.

I'm not a smoker, but I do drink beer occasionally. No harm in that if its just every now and then.

I spent much of my elementary and Junior High School years in a neighborhood that had grown up around a LDS church. For the most part it was a good neighborhood (the only real crime we had was a group of kids who had gone bad ; yes, that happens; and kept bringing their dealer in and around the street and stealing from neighbors), but it was repressive as hell. I, a fairly normal kid, had a moderately bad mouth. I got hit by friends when I would curse even mildly, and if there was any hint that I was drinking a caffinated soda, I was gonna get a lecture from someone.
Fuck the What?

Or teachers have givin up trying to stop us from swearing. Now they only ask that we do not do it in front of the principal or in our work.

I drink, I like to drink, and drinking is part of my heritage. My ancestors drank, and I think it's a great tradition. As such I also do. When I drink I also find that I smoke. Hookah, cigars and those damnable cigarrettes. I've never smoked when I haven't drank. Beyond those things, though, I'm not willing to go.

I drink, I like to drink, and drinking is part of my heritage. My ancestors drank, and I think it's a great tradition. As such I also do. When I drink I also find that I smoke. Hookah, cigars and those damnable cigarrettes. I've never smoked when I haven't drank. Beyond those things, though, I'm not willing to go.


"Sometimes I wish I’d went through those good times stone cold sober so I could remember everything, but then again, if I had been sober the times probably wouldn’t have been worth remembering."

Hemingway

BURN TEH SCIENTOLOGISTS!
VOTE MOBRA!!!

VOTE MOBRA!!!
You do bring up a good point.

but what is MORBA's position on the British?

i too am one who chooses not to persue that in which i find no gratification that others have been brainwashed into expecting to.

it's not about being a saint. it's about the kind of world we all have to live in.

=^^=
.../\...

Never smoked... well, not tobacco anyway.
But I do drink. Occasionally. I love the tase of a good cold beer, or a nice dry red wine. And there's nothing better than a good shot of whiskey.
And no, I didn't have to get used to it first. I don't honestly remember when I had my first taste of alcohol, Im ust have been way too young. It was never anything special, you just grow up with being allowed to take a sip of your parents' beer in Germany....

Never smoked... well, not tobacco anyway.
But I do drink. Occasionally. I love the tase of a good cold beer, or a nice dry red wine. And there's nothing better than a good shot of whiskey.
And no, I didn't have to get used to it first. I don't honestly remember when I had my first taste of alcohol, Im ust have been way too young. It was never anything special, you just grow up with being allowed to take a sip of your parents' beer in Germany....
Pretty similar for me here in NZ. Having been brought up by a Mum who grew up in the dairy farming business..
Now I really like beer.

Chainsmoking coffeedrinker here. And a little duvel now and then. I don't mind people who choose not to any more than those people who eat tofu instead of meat and drink soy-latté instead of proper coffee.
Each to his own, I guess.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

You are not the only one. I know few other such people. That's free choice for you, - some use poison in moderate levels and some do not.

I think mind should not always be sharp. Sometimes it should rest, sometimes it should be restarted.

I don't either because I just don't like them.

I drink -maybe a bit too much- alcohol, also a couple cups of strong coffee in the morning.
Don't smoke, never have, never even tried although my parents kept a tobacco shop. No kidding.

My father hardly drank alcohol but died of smoking induced lung cancer. No kidding either.

My wife doesn't drink alcohol nor coffee and never smokes/smoked.

Still we enjoy life a lot ...:D

You do bring up a good point.

but what is MOBRA's position on the British?
Clearly their position is beneath the British, as they dig the tunnels that will one day allow their mass passage to the surface, crushing all upworlders beneath their mighty digging claws. But that's beside the point. You should be voting ESP.

I drink, but have never smoked, dont plan on either.

They're Christian punks but don't understand or believe in the supposed Rapture? It is to laugh. Or weep....

OHOH!! Can we get east side and west side Christain Punks and they can prostelize at each other and then the wining team stabs the losing team with a sharpened cross? Think of the television ratings!

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all.

Did you know that the foods you eat contain literally HUNDREDS of carcinogens?

Did you know that the very act of eating or drinking ANYTHING will result in production of toxic substances within your body? I'm talking dangerous stuff, like free radicals.

If you study human physiology a bit, you learn that the key is balance. Water is toxic, if you drink too much of it. Oranges can kill you if you eat enough of them. Hell, if you stopped breathing you'd see an immediate drop in the internal production of numerous toxins, but I've yet to hear somebody argue for the health benefits of suffocation.


If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken.

Either that, or you understand chemistry and human physiology. But whatever.


I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind.

Sure you do. You eat, don't you? You drink? Guess what: you're imbibing mind-altering substances.


I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.

If you want a dull mind, try cutting out all "mind-altering substances" from your diet. Death tends to dull most people's minds, in my experience.


Whats your take?

I think you've built yourself a very nice pedestal, but you'd be a lot better off if you'd come down from it. It's fine to say, "I choose not to drink or smoke because I don't want to drink or smoke." It's simply incorrect to say, "Drinking and smoking are poisonous, unlike all the other things I put into my body." If you are comfortable being publicly wrong, then go right ahead. But you might as well just say you don't feel like smoking or drinking and leave it at that.

Another thing is, I wonder if this person drinks caffeine, or any sort of dairy, or canned, or processed foods, or anything other than home-grown vegetables grown from 100% all-natural fertilizers?

If not, then he puts "poisons" in his body every day.

Or breathes. -----Reality is for people that cant handle drugs.

I do drink (very seldom and very little), but I don't really smoke. My lungs won't tolerate tobacco very well, and it's such a pain to roll mugwort or damiana leaf, and pot's too expensive/too risky.

I do limit my alcohol intake mostly to lower the chances of a hangover. I don't get drunk -- I get sleepy or mean most of the time, and that's no fun for me and whoever I'm partying with, so after about two drinks, I'm back to dancing on the table mostly sober.

If I want something mind-altering, I'll go watch the campus theatre students. They're strange and disturbing enough on their own.

Oh my God my hatred of getting drunk whilst underage knows no bounds. Believe me if it where up to me I'd make underage drinking punishable by death.

But that's not what we're talking about, is it? we're talking about people who can legally drink and smoke, but choose not to, correct? Well, i recently turned 18, meaning i can purchase alcohol and cigarettes here in Australia. But i don't want to, i don't drink and i don't smoke. I see people who get drunk, kids my age who simply cant wait until the weekend to get hammered and plastered with alcohol of any kind that they can possibly get their hands on, and it actually makes me sick. How can people choose to kill themselves? How can people chooe to drink themselves into a stupor just to escape the reality and pitfalls of life? Or if not for that reason, then how can people simply get drunk for fun? Where's the fun un pretending to be something you're not? Ok, alcohol removes all inhibitions, that's true, but it removes our sense of judgement, our character, our logic, even. It removes everything that makes us human and turns us into animals. You may think im exaggerating, but read the news. Drunken brawls here, there and everywhere, rapes fuelled by alcohol, murders, assault, robbery, hate crimes in general. Granted, not all are fuelled by alcohol, perhaps even a small minority i wouldnt know the figures, but the point is it still happens. It turns even the most respectable people of society into scum. Literal scum.

And don't even think about using that pathetic excuse about how much toxins you consume from everyday life. You need them to survive. You need air to live, food to function and water as well.

BUT YOU DONT NEED ALCOHOL. Nor nicotine, but that's a different story.

Look, the point of this rant wasnt to offend, and I apologise in advance to anyone who was indeed offended by it. But it's just my point of view on the subject.

For the record, i did drink alcohol, so dont think of me as someone who cant comment because ive never tried it before. I have, and that's how i formed my opinion.

I like putting poisons in my body. Coffee and alcohol only, though. And alcohol in very moderate amounts. Also chocolate.

Oh my God my hatred of getting drunk whilst underage knows no bounds. Believe me if it where up to me I'd make underage drinking punishable by death.

But that's not what we're talking about, is it? we're talking about people who can legally drink and smoke, but choose not to, correct? Well, i recently turned 18, meaning i can purchase alcohol and cigarettes here in Australia. But i don't want to, i don't drink and i don't smoke. I see people who get drunk, kids my age who simply cant wait until the weekend to get hammered and plastered with alcohol of any kind that they can possibly get their hands on, and it actually makes me sick. How can people choose to kill themselves? How can people chooe to drink themselves into a stupor just to escape the reality and pitfalls of life? Or if not for that reason, then how can people simply get drunk for fun? Where's the fun un pretending to be something you're not? Ok, alcohol removes all inhibitions, that's true, but it removes our sense of judgement, our character, our logic, even. It removes everything that makes us human and turns us into animals. You may think im exaggerating, but read the news. Drunken brawls here, there and everywhere, rapes fuelled by alcohol, murders, assault, robbery, hate crimes in general. Granted, not all are fuelled by alcohol, perhaps even a small minority i wouldnt know the figures, but the point is it still happens. It turns even the most respectable people of society into scum. Literal scum.

And don't even think about using that pathetic excuse about how much toxins you consume from everyday life. You need them to survive. You need air to live, food to function and water as well.

BUT YOU DONT NEED ALCOHOL. Nor nicotine, but that's a different story.

Look, the point of this rant wasnt to offend, and I apologise in advance to anyone who was indeed offended by it. But it's just my point of view on the subject.

For the record, i did drink alcohol, so dont think of me as someone who cant comment because ive never tried it before. I have, and that's how i formed my opinion.

Do we need to review the distinction between "drinking alcohol" and "getting hammered"? It seems like we do.

Do we need to review the distinction between "drinking alcohol" and "getting hammered"? It seems like we do.

Possibly, but 90% of the time people intend to get drunk when they drink. This could be because i'm hanging around with the wrong people, this could also be because people my age do not see a logical explanation as to why people could possibly drink without getting drunk, I'm not sure.

And don't even think about using that pathetic excuse about how much toxins you consume from everyday life. You need them to survive. You need air to live, food to function and water as well.

BUT YOU DONT NEED ALCOHOL. Nor nicotine, but that's a different story.




Well, well, let's not go in extremes. Some people just do not take life so seriously. Some people like to use poisons. No talking about 'need'. You do what you like, and that's way to enjoy life.

People do not 'need' to drive car, go sky diving, mountain climbing, snowboarding, all of which are dangerous and possess potential hazards to health and life. It is better to sit at home, use public transport, and regularly visit gym. Most people choose to do otherwise. Because they like to do so.

simple isn't it?!

Possibly, but 90% of the time people intend to get drunk when they drink. This could be because i'm hanging around with the wrong people, this could also be because people my age do not see a logical explanation as to why people could possibly drink without getting drunk, I'm not sure.
You don't know enough people. Lots of people, certainly more than 10% of drinkers, drink just a beer or two, with food or friends, or a couple of drinks after work, and that's it. And hardly daily at that.

Why? Alcohol helps you relax and unstress. It's also good for your heart in moderate amounts.

Possibly, but 90% of the time people intend to get drunk when they drink. This could be because i'm hanging around with the wrong people, this could also be because people my age do not see a logical explanation as to why people could possibly drink without getting drunk, I'm not sure.
Let me assure you: the overwhelming majority of people who consume alcohol are NOT doing it to get hammered.

At a certain age demographic, pretty much everybody drinks to get drunk. That tends to give a very skewed perspective on drinking. I know that when I was in high school everybody who drank did it to get blasted, just like everybody who smoked pot did it to get so high they couldn't see straight. A lot of this has to do with lack of experience, since young people often don't have a feel for how much they can drink without getting drunk. This is NOT representative of humanity as a whole, however, and you should not assume that drinking alcohol = getting drunk.

Pretty much everybody I know will drink alcohol from time to time, but I can't remember the last time one of us got good and hammered...we've learnt our limits, and we've all had a chance to be wild crazy drunks, so we are both able to control our drinking and also inclined to do so.

And, at any rate, even if 99% of people drank enough to get drunk every single time they had alcohol, it STILL would be false to say that drinking alcohol = getting drunk. If drunkenness is the behavior you object to, then say so, but don't waste time ranting about how alcohol is poison. It's not.

I drink, smoke, and do drugs. I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks about it...I'll happily lead my life and leave you alone to do what you want, you extend the same courtesy.

Possibly, but 90% of the time people intend to get drunk when they drink. This could be because i'm hanging around with the wrong people, this could also be because people my age do not see a logical explanation as to why people could possibly drink without getting drunk, I'm not sure.


Than maybe we should also distinguish "drinking alcohol", "getting drunk", and "getting hammered".

AFAIK, most people around me use alcohol to get drunk but not, of course, to get hammered. "Getting drunk" meaning several beers, few bottles of wine or vodka, but just so much to be tipsy (I thing that is correct word in english): chatting with friends, joking, philosophizing late at night or dancing, but being able to work straight w/o problems, talking clearly, and thinkning more or less clearly.

After 5 days of work for average 16 hours/day, you want to get hammered and restart brains. In most usual situations people tend to prefering "getting drunk".

You don't know enough people. Lots of people, certainly more than 10% of drinkers, drink just a beer or two, with food or friends, or a couple of drinks after work, and that's it. And hardly daily at that.

Why? Alcohol helps you relax and unstress. It's also good for your heart in moderate amounts.

Aye, I suppose I was just venting somewhat (to put it lightly...:rolleyes: ) So sorry about that that. You are right, alcohol is ok in moderate amounts, but alcohol is also good in no amounts at all. It's a stress reliever, and stress is bad for you, I think we all know that :p

But the problem is I've been exposed to underage drinking throughout my entire school life, and it had been embedded so deeply into society that I was typically regarded as the outcast for not wanting to drink. And underage kids most of the time don't know how to control themselves, so they continue to drink and drink and drink...

I drink, smoke, and do drugs. I don't give a fuck what anybody thinks about it...I'll happily lead my life and leave you alone to do what you want, you extend the same courtesy.
I'll drink to that in moderate amounts. :D :cool:

But the problem is I've been exposed to underage drinking throughout my entire school life, and it had been embedded so deeply into society that I was typically regarded as the outcast for not wanting to drink. And underage kids most of the time don't know how to control themselves, so they continue to drink and drink and drink...
Well, yeah, it sucks when that happens. I never drank all through high school and I think I was a good 20 years old when I had my first serious drinking. Which is good because my liver was fully developed. I think that's why I never get hangovers now, no matter how much or what I drink.

I never felt too much peer pressure to drink, though. If somebody pressures you I guess you can say "someone has to post the pictures on the internet" and then send us the pictures.

Well, yeah, it sucks when that happens. I never drank all through high school and I think I was a good 20 years old when I had my first serious drinking. Which is good because my liver was fully developed. I think that's why I never get hangovers now, no matter how much or what I drink.

I'm the opposite; in my family, it was customary for any child over 7 to be served a glass of wine at the table, so I was drinking before I really understood the distinction between wine and juice. That's what happens when your Poppie owns a vinyard, I guess. :)

I was pretty much always allowed to request a glass of wine or beer, if I wanted it, but I generally opted for soda or milk instead. The liquor cabinet in my parent's house has no lock on it, and is easily accessable to anybody who wants something. I learnt to make my parents' favorite drinks for them at a young age (martini for Dad, black russian for Mom), though neither of them drank more than perhaps once a week.

I think this environment is, perversely, why I seldom engaged in the type of "underage drinking" that is being discussed here. For me, alcohol wasn't some forbidden pleasure. I could have a beer with my dad any time I wanted, so there wasn't really any thrill to sneaking beers with my friends. I could go out to eat with my family and order a drink with my dinner, so why try to use a fake ID to get into a pub?

I've certainly gotten hammered a few times in my life, and I'm sure I will do so a few more, but it's not something I feel the need to do on a regular basis.

[QUOTE=Wanderjar]I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

Well, every Doktor I know will tell you that a glass of wine a day is actually good for your heart.

When it comes to substance abuse - what most people seem to forget(who live a healthy lifestyle) is how much fun it is!!:p

Than maybe we should also distinguish "drinking alcohol", "getting drunk", and "getting hammered".

AFAIK, most people around me use alcohol to get drunk but not, of course, to get hammered. "Getting drunk" meaning several beers, few bottles of wine or vodka, but just so much to be tipsy (I thing that is correct word in english): chatting with friends, joking, philosophizing late at night or dancing, but being able to work straight w/o problems, talking clearly, and thinkning more or less clearly.

After 5 days of work for average 16 hours/day, you want to get hammered and restart brains. In most usual situations people tend to prefering "getting drunk".

A few bottles of vodka just to be tipsy?

Man, you've got some hardcore friends.

Piss off man!

Erm...no.:)

I can readily accept that smoking is a personal choice that many are justifiably reticent to make, however does a tipple every now and then genuinely hurt?

Hey, that's cool. Your body thanks you for that. Too bad poisons and chemicals are freaking EVERYwhere, in the air and in most of the food we eat (unless you grow it yourself). We're pretty hardy creatures to survive a lot of this crap.

No drink, no smoke, no drugs.

Its makes me rich and stops me making an idiot out of myself (too often) :rolleyes: .

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

You forget that some drugs sharpen your mind. Altered perception is sometimes a good thing. Drugs are not only used for partying or zoning out, etc, there are many uses for them, some helpful. Some alter your perception of the world in such a way that provide life changing expierences, very many which are good. For example, I have found that it is much easier to meditate after smoking alot of marijuana. It has helped me realize some important things about myself as a person, others, and the world around me.

There are drugs out there though that don't serve much purpose other than a little high, and then a painful addiction that can keep you using until it kills you, and I have learned not to indulge in those. For example, smoking cigarettes... I can't really think of anything beneficial to come of that, and I smoke. The only reason I smoke still is because of the addiction... one of the most difficult habbits to break, although I hate it. The one thing it did teach me though is to not indulge in certain substances with highly addictive qualities, such as the opiates. There are also drugs that I indulged in while in my youth that I will not touch again, not because I didn't like them, but the opposite, I felt that I liked them too much, eg, cocaine. That was a one time expierience a few years ago. I used once, and I don't necessarily regret it, because it's one of the best feelings a person can have, however, afterwards, I vowed never to do it again, and have no desire to, as it is quite bad for your chardiovascular system, etc, and is very addictive under long term use.

All in all, almost all drugs give different effects and have different qualities. Some may prove very bad in general, while some are beneficial. Depends on the drug. Another thing I have learned though, is that the risks verses the gains in the use of drugs is relative from person to person, and weather it is worth it is up to the user alone. The sad thing is, once they find out they screwed up, sometimes it's too late.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

I take medication, so I can't drink alcohol without killing myself. I can't smoke either because I play horn.

Am I the only person who chooses to drink AND smoke?

Erm...no.:)

I can readily accept that smoking is a personal choice that many are justifiably reticent to make, however does a tipple every now and then genuinely hurt?

I don't care what anyone else does mate, I was just stating I choose not too. That, and I thought you were dissin' me, so I told you to piss off.

Were cool.

You forget that some drugs sharpen your mind. Altered perception is sometimes a good thing. Drugs are not only used for partying or zoning out, etc, there are many uses for them, some helpful. Some alter your perception of the world in such a way that provide life changing expierences, very many which are good. For example, I have found that it is much easier to meditate after smoking alot of marijuana. It has helped me realize some important things about myself as a person, others, and the world around me.

There are drugs out there though that don't serve much purpose other than a little high, and then a painful addiction that can keep you using until it kills you, and I have learned not to indulge in those. For example, smoking cigarettes... I can't really think of anything beneficial to come of that, and I smoke. The only reason I smoke still is because of the addiction... one of the most difficult habbits to break, although I hate it. The one thing it did teach me though is to not indulge in certain substances with highly addictive qualities, such as the opiates. There are also drugs that I indulged in while in my youth that I will not touch again, not because I didn't like them, but the opposite, I felt that I liked them too much, eg, cocaine. That was a one time expierience a few years ago. I used once, and I don't necessarily regret it, because it's one of the best feelings a person can have, however, afterwards, I vowed never to do it again, and have no desire to, as it is quite bad for your chardiovascular system, etc, and is very addictive under long term use.

All in all, almost all drugs give different effects and have different qualities. Some may prove very bad in general, while some are beneficial. Depends on the drug. Another thing I have learned though, is that the risks verses the gains in the use of drugs is relative from person to person, and weather it is worth it is up to the user alone. The sad thing is, once they find out they screwed up, sometimes it's too late.

Shut up! ALL DRUGS ARE BAD!!! YOU ARE POISIONING YOURSELF!!! You are just killing your body so that you can fit in! Stop being so reasonable and rational!!!!!!

/snark

;)

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*

I don't drink or smoke either, but for religious belief.

I choose not to not because of some religious belief, nor because I don't like to party. I choose not to because I don't want to put poison in my body. All alcohol is, is poison. No different than drugs at all. If you say otherwise, then you are sadly mistaken. I also do not believe in usage of substances that alter my state of mind. I think the mind should always be sharp, not dulled.


Whats your take?

*Readies flame suit, just to be safe*
Well, i sure as hell don't smoke. Anything. Even though if i did, i might as well start tokin' weld smoke (it tastes good).
I don't drink for a few chemical reasons, mostly the reaction i have afterwards of severe depression. Although many can attest to how much more amicable my personality is when i do imbibe.
As for drugs ... nothing that i can (or at least am most likely to) get addicted to from the first smack.

A few bottles of vodka just to be tipsy?

Man, you've got some hardcore friends.

:)

My poor English. I meant few bottles or wine or some vodka... lika 0.7 or smth.

Well, i sure as hell don't smoke. Anything. Even though if i did, i might as well start tokin' weld smoke (it tastes good).

I don't smoke because it makes me sneeze, and I have an embarassingly cute sneeze. In my opinion, the primary reason to smoke is because it makes you look cool, but it's damn hard to look cool when you're going, "ker-CHOO!" every couple of minutes.

Yeah, I don't smoke or drink either. It's a good way to save money if nothing else.;)