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Honestly what does any war solve? I mean doesn't it just fuel further debate, and conflict? Doesn't it consume lifes, and doesn't kill innocent people? So what's the point of any war, i mean is there really any justification. Please don't reference any wars like WWII though, i'm talking more in general.

Honestly what does any war solve? I mean doesn't it just fuel further debate, and conflict? Doesn't it consume lifes, and doesn't kill innocent people? So what's the point of any war, i mean is there really any justification. Please don't reference any wars like WWII though, i'm talking more in general.
It solves the problem that somewhere out there, there is a man with a bigger dick than I.

You'd have to mention wars seperately, they're all quite different and fought for different reasons.

You'd have to mention wars seperately, they're all quite different and fought for different reasons.
Ok, how about the killing of people in general?

War doesn't really solve anything. It does provide an opportunity to thin out the human hive, easing over-population..

War doesn't really solve anything. It does provide an opportunity to thin out the human hive, easing over-population..
Actually, war does nothing for overpopulation. Birth rates after major wars almost always skyrocket (look at the Baby Boomers, for crying out loud!)

Plague, famine, and disease are much better ways to thin the crop.

Honestly what does any war solve? I mean doesn't it just fuel further debate, and conflict? Doesn't it consume lifes, and doesn't kill innocent people? So what's the point of any war, i mean is there really any justification. Please don't reference any wars like WWII though, i'm talking more in general.
War solves a problem by blowing it to smithereens. My enemy can't stand in my way if he's dead, therefore kill everyone in my way until I get to him, then kill him.

Honestly what does any war solve? I mean doesn't it just fuel further debate, and conflict? Doesn't it consume lifes, and doesn't kill innocent people? So what's the point of any war, i mean is there really any justification. Please don't reference any wars like WWII though, i'm talking more in general.
It's an incentive to act.

When Iraq invaded Kuwait, they weren't just going to leave it alone without someone else coming in and blowing up a bunch of stuff.

Ok, how about the killing of people in general?
What about it? People die in every war, that's the constant. People get killed everyday in ways that aren't attributed to war. What are you asking?

War solves a problem by blowing it to smithereens. My enemy can't stand in my way if he's dead, therefore kill everyone in my way until I get to him, then kill him.
If people don't like us, we kill them all, and then everybody will like us.

Actually, war does nothing for overpopulation. Birth rates after major wars almost always skyrocket (look at the Baby Boomers, for crying out loud!)
Only among the winners. Japan suffered a dramatic decrease in birth rates following the war, which was the main reason they made so many advancements in automation in the 1970s.

Actually, war does nothing for overpopulation. Birth rates after major wars almost always skyrocket (look at the Baby Boomers, for crying out loud!)

Plague, famine, and disease are much better ways to thin the crop.

Yes, but plagues and disease are not considered viable weapons of war.

Honestly what does any war solve? I mean doesn't it just fuel further debate, and conflict? Doesn't it consume lifes, and doesn't kill innocent people? So what's the point of any war, i mean is there really any justification. Please don't reference any wars like WWII though, i'm talking more in general.
OK. War solves conflicts. Done.

Yes, but plagues and disease are not considered viable weapons of war.
Never heard of anthrax, or, you know, biological warfare?

If people don't like us, we kill them all, and then everybody will like us.
That does make a whole lot of strict technical sense.

OK. War solves conflicts by replacing them with different ones. Done.
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That does make a whole lot of strict technical sense.
You've just discovered my point. A sarcastic congratulations to you.

War is just a simple definition of tribes of humans wanting something of someone else's and they fight over it. It use to be women or food, now its over oil and faith.

Also, since war is itself a conflict, how can it be the solution to a conflict? It doesn't even solve one in the first place. War is a substitute conflict.

Actually, war does nothing for overpopulation.
In Russia, over 20 million died in WWII. The higher birthrate afterward was not sufficient to *instantly* make up those dead people. Therefore, war does ease overpopulation. That is a basic fact of every history class I ever took, and I never had a professor (you know, like in college) dispute that.

The USA has a slightly different situation in that particular war, but only because we came into it late, and didn't lose nearly as many soldiers.

Also, war can strengthen the economy. The Great Depression ended because WWII began. It literally saved the world economy, since that depression was felt globally due to US economic importance at the time.

You've just discovered my point. A sarcastic congratulations to you.

No, I saw your point right away. Sarcasm + Sarcasm = Fun on a Friday afternoon.

Revolution can sometimes dethrone Kings. That is a plus.

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Like diplomacy solves conflicts... and replaces them with different ones. That would be why diplomacy still hasn't created peace in the Middle East. Being facetious works both ways. And the only conflict created by WWII was the Cold War, and that wasn't exactly WWII's fault, now was it? It was sort of already coming, right? Or, you know, Desert Storm, from which I really can't think of a negative effect.

Revolution can sometimes dethrone Kings. That is a plus.
Revolution is verboten nowadays. Revolutionaries are lumped in the all-inclusive "terrorist" category and subsequently removed.

Also, war can strengthen the economy. The Great Depression ended because WWII began. It literally saved the world economy, since that depression was felt globally due to US economic importance at the time.

Well, that's questionable. British and French economies after WWI were complete wrecks, which is part of the reason for why the countries demanded reparation payments from the Germans after the war.

Also, are you saying that the world economy would not have recovered if WWII had not occurred?

War serves to test a nation's arsenal, and use up some of it's stockpile of weapons.
Good if you're a weapons manufacturer!

Like diplomacy solves conflicts... and replaces them with different ones. That would be why diplomacy still hasn't created peace in the Middle East. Being facetious works both ways.

I never said diplomacy did. Please don't put words in my mouth. However, diplomacy does have the advantage of NOT KILLING PEOPLE.

And the only conflict created by WWII was the Cold War, and that wasn't exactly WWII's fault, now was it? It was sort of already coming, right?
Another thread for another day.

Or, you know, Desert Storm, from which I really can't think of a negative effect.
(1) A couple billion barrels of Kuwaiti oil burning in the ground.
(2) Hundreds of soldiers debilitated by a syndrome that is probably related to chemical weapon exposure.
(3) Increased Kurdish insurgence in the areas of the Northern No-Fly Zone.
(4) Consequence was forced U.N. Weapons Inspections without which the U.S. would have needed a different reason to start this current war.

Also, war can strengthen the economy. The Great Depression ended because WWII began. It literally saved the world economy, since that depression was felt globally due to US economic importance at the time.
I concede the point to you, sir.

Revolution is verboten nowadays. Revolutionaries are lumped in the all-inclusive "terrorist" category and subsequently removed.

When has this not been the case? Different words than "terrorist" have been used of course in the past but otherwise nothing new.

When has this not been the case? Different words than "terrorist" have been used of course in the past but otherwise nothing new.

Because in the present age, being labelled a terrorist organization sticks better and brings about calls for the revolutionaries to lay down arms. ETA, Chechen rebels, etc.

Also, war can strengthen the economy. The Great Depression ended because WWII began. It literally saved the world economy, since that depression was felt globally due to US economic importance at the time.

Yeppers, war sure can strengthen the economy. Especially since WWII put every country that participated/was affected into some kind of debt. A debt that some countries would still be paying off, such as Germany, today. I'll concede the fact that the Great Depression ended because of the beginning of WWII, but there is no way that WWII was a savior of the global economy. Think of how many billions of dollars was spent for and by each country and I think that you will agree.

Oh, and war doesn't solve anything. It stops the current conflict, builds a growing resentment, and the BAM! Everything goes haywire and lots of people die. That is exactly what happenned from WWI to WWII (aka Hitler and his resentment towards the Western culture) and from WWII to the Cold War, you know, with Stalin and his resentment towards the Western Culture (including some parts of Europe, like Britain). Oh, and before anyone kills on the point, which would have been well put and taken, I know that there were many, many other reasons why both WWII and the Cold War began, but the point was made. War to unsettled peace, to war, and then back again. It is a stupid cycle created by what some see as the stupidity and ignorance of the human race. But alas, what can I say? We are only human.

Honestly what does any war solve? I mean doesn't it just fuel further debate, and conflict? Doesn't it consume lifes, and doesn't kill innocent people? So what's the point of any war, i mean is there really any justification. Please don't reference any wars like WWII though, i'm talking more in general.

But the specific is required to talk intelligently about the general. Abstract conversation that does not reference the real world will not be able to properly answer your questions in the long run. :(