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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6094356.html

Awsome artical there.

I really didnt think it was possible, but it is.

Even the low end E6600 slams AMDs 5000X2, for half the price and a 20% performance gain.

Damym intel! You got a new customer!

And it is apparently with using lower caches.
AMD will no doubt release something to compete and feature it's AM2 chipshit.
And least it will rev up cost cutting.

This is so last week...

This is so last week...
Your mom.

Your mom.

Yeah, even she had read this when it was spread on slashdot and its ilk.

Yeah, even she had read this when it was spread on slashdot and its ilk.
So we assume everyone reads various techy websites and whine about it when posted on a general forum.

So we assume everyone reads various techy websites and whine about it when posted on a general forum.

No, I do. So?

And it is apparently with using lower caches.
AMD will no doubt release something to compete and feature it's AM2 chipshit.
And least it will rev up cost cutting.
As far as I've heard, AM2 wasn't supposed to a be Conroe killer. It was basically implemented as damage control while their working on AM3. AM3 started development during the AM2 development cycle, and should be a significant step up in technology.

When's it release date. I've heard soooo much about it, I'm starting to tune it out.

I havn't heard of AM3, but I don't keep up with advancements in hardware preemptively.

Given that the largest advantage Core has was made possible only because Intel has the extra resources that it does, i.e. the 90-65nm die shrink, it's not like the chip is that good. As soon as AMD switches as well Intels lead will be gone as well, and that doesn't even count the changes in structure of their new chips.

Given that the largest advantage Core has was made possible only because Intel has the extra resources that it does, i.e. the 90-65nm die shrink, it's not like the chip is that good. As soon as AMD switches as well Intels lead will be gone as well, and that doesn't even count the changes in structure of their new chips.
Ick, fanboyism.

The chip is that good, and will totally mop the floor of AMD chips until they put out their next socket and architecture.

Who's surprised?

Yes the Pentium 4 went crap after Northwood but any new generation of architecture is generally a big step up from the last. And lets face it, AMD have basically refined the Pentium 3/Thunderbird architecture rather than making an innovative design (yeah yeah, 64-bit capability, who uses it other than Linux enthusiasts and idiots who got XP-64?). Intel took the risk with Netburst for the Pentium 4 line and the lessons from that went into the Core.

And who cares HOW they did it (short of, y'know demonic posession or something) what matters is that they've forced a price war where the main winner is the consumer.

i.e me :D

Who's surprised?

Yes the Pentium 4 went crap after Northwood but any new generation of architecture is generally a big step up from the last. And lets face it, AMD have basically refined the Pentium 3/Thunderbird architecture rather than making an innovative design (yeah yeah, 64-bit capability, who uses it other than Linux enthusiasts and idiots who got XP-64?). Intel took the risk with Netburst for the Pentium 4 line and the lessons from that went into the Core.

And who cares HOW they did it (short of, y'know demonic posession or something) what matters is that they've forced a price war where the main winner is the consumer.

i.e me :D
I use it. *shifty eyes*

Besides Vista does a good job with 64 bit computing.

People care because, well Intel does what is in its power to keep its competitors unheard of. For example, Intel will pay more for flyer ads, if only Intel products are featured. This does a good job of slowing down progress. Intel has patented lots of technologies and it hasn't done much R&D wise with them after they got the patent.
EDIT:To be fair Intel isn't the only one doing this. Most of the big leagures are doing the same thing.

We all know this was comming. It forced a pricewar, and I give it a year before intel wins the Price-Performance ratio.

And at the Ravenshrike, this is alot more than a die shrink, its an entire new core, an entire new generation. At the moment AMD doesnt have anything that comes CLOSE to the conroe,the lowest end conroe can compare to a FX62, and costs 1/3rd the money

I use it. *shifty eyes*

Besides Vista does a good job with 64 bit computing.

People care because, well Intel does what is in its power to keep its competitors unheard of. For example, Intel will pay more for flyer ads, if only Intel products are featured. This does a good job of slowing down progress. Intel has patented lots of technologies and it hasn't done much R&D wise with them after they got the patent.
EDIT:To be fair Intel isn't the only one doing this. Most of the big leagures are doing the same thing.

Vista isn't OUT yet. Unless you're on a beta?

If so, how is it? I've heard a bunch of techy crap but it'd be nice to hear a user comparison to XP.

And no, Intel aren't a nice company. They deserve to be a lot worse off simply because the Athlon 64 was so damn good but they managed to strong-arm Dell@co until now when they can legitemately claim to have the best processors.

At the moment AMD doesnt have anything that comes CLOSE to the conroe,the lowest end conroe can compare to a FX62, and costs 1/3rd the money

Remember there's a couple of Kentsfields out there too which are also core2duo marked, they are in the midrange of AMD's X2. Conroe isn't the be-all end-all of core2duo.

Vista isn't OUT yet. Unless you're on a beta?

If so, how is it? I've heard a bunch of techy crap but it'd be nice to hear a user comparison to XP.

And no, Intel aren't a nice company. They deserve to be a lot worse off simply because the Athlon 64 was so damn good but they managed to strong-arm Dell@co until now when they can legitemately claim to have the best processors.
Of course I'm on Beta, you can download it of Microsoft's website. Or at leasdt you could.

Its purdy. Install takes so fucking long. Two hours give or take. Fedora and Ubuntu are down to about a half hour. Seems stupid, but the average user is too dumb to do it themself, so what does it matter. Only gonna make tech support cosh more, and hopefully that will motivate some to learn how.

32bit apps in the 64bit is flawless. You will never notice a difference.

Only major problem is, when an app crashes, you often have to reinstall it.