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Do you think that Israel, Palestine, and Lebanon need to go to war in order to solve their issues?

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More specifically, the word 'think'. Seven-thousand nine-hundred and second post! Woot! :fluffle:

No. I think this war is causing unnecessary bloodshed and will only lead to more problems in the future.

no. looking back at all previous wars and seeing that they solved nothing makes this about the easiest poll i've ever voted on.

Well hold on here. I answer no to the OP, but a yes to the poll. Yeah, they'll solve the problems with the war. It may not be the best solution, but there will be one.

so what is your solution then?

There will be no peace until the Jews have all returned to where they came from.

There will be no peace until the Jews have all returned to where they came from.

Then there will never be peace. The Jewish population of Israel isn't going anywhere.

I might be wrong here, and I don't want to sound very opinionted. However, it occurs to me that in the past few years alot of aggression has been coming from the Palestinian side. Now, that's not to say that the Jews have been angels, but let's be fair, both sides don't exactly love each other, and one can't completly be blamed for the conflict. Saying that one side must leave for peace seems a bit ignorant IMO.

Then there will never be peace. The Jewish population of Israel isn't going anywhere.

Of course there will never be peace. As soon as one "enemy" is beaten, the Jews will find a new one. Jews have always defined themselves through their enmity to others. That's also the purpose of the Tanaach.

there will be no peace until all the religious fundamentalists on both sides have killed each other off or are otherwise incapacitated and the moderates on both sides realise that there is no such race as 'the jews' and they are actually just killing their own. and that their respective religions are bullshit and have no real relevance in the world.

The Middle East is always at war:rolleyes: , theres always going to be fighting, its a jewish nation, in the middle of how many Arab nations, and we all no that the Arabs hat everyone but themselves, even each other sometimes.
A war isnt going to make Jews into Arabs.
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Of course there will never be peace. As soon as one "enemy" is beaten, the Jews will find a new one. Jews have always defined themselves through their enmity to others.

Anti-Semitic nonsense.

That's also the purpose of the Tanaach.

Incidentally, how much of the Tanach have you read?

Anti-Semitic nonsense.

What is it whith the anti-semitism stuff anyways? There's like, a list of things we can't say or do to Jews and Israel? Strikes me as odd.

there will be no peace until all the religious fundamentalists on both sides have killed each other off or are otherwise incapacitated and the moderates on both sides realise that there is no such race as 'the jews' and they are actually just killing their own. and that their respective religions are bullshit and have no real relevance in the world.

All Jews are religious fundamentalists. Of course there is no Jewish race, but a ideologically driven group of people who have always believed to be something special

Anti-Semitic nonsense.

How? 90% of the Jews are not Semites. They are Europeans and other Japhites.


Incidentally, how much of the Tanach have you read?

All.

What is it whith the anti-semitism stuff anyways? There's like, a list of things we can't say or do to Jews and Israel? Strikes me as odd.

Criticize Israel all you like, I do it all the time on these forums.

When someone says the following, though:

As soon as one "enemy" is beaten, the Jews will find a new one. Jews have always defined themselves through their enmity to others.

I don't see how any sane standard would classify it as anything but bigotry.

All.

So please explain how its purpose is defining Jews "through their emnity to others."

I don't see how any sane standard would classify it as anything but bigotry.

You are right. Judaism is bigotry.

You are right. Judaism is bigotry.

No. It's not.

no. looking back at all previous wars and seeing that they solved nothing makes this about the easiest poll i've ever voted on.
Wars almost always "solve" something. You may not belive it, or it may not be what you like, but it happens to be true. The true problem is human nature and people's unwillingness or inability to control themsevles, and that isn't likely to change in the forseeable future, sad to say.

All Jews are religious fundamentalists.
not really. the ones that make me laugh tho are the 'secular jews', especially the aggressively zionist secular jews that i know. fucking nutjobs, if you're secular you can't claim to be part of a religious group and you can't claim sovereignty over a scrap of land on religious grounds.

You are right. Judaism is bigotry.
Just in case you didn't get it, that's not what he was talking about or saying. :p

No. It's not.

You're so funny.

Wars almost always "solve" something. You may not belive it, or it may not be what you like, but it happens to be true. The true problem is human nature and people's unwillingness or inability to control themsevles, and that isn't likely to change in the forseeable future, sad to say.
wars just shift the problems and tensions on to someone or somewhere else. there's nothing like sitting down and talking - sure it's not perfect and it requires compromise and a good deal of tongue biting and pride swallowing but if it's done properly with neither side having any coercive power over the other it can work.

You're so funny.

You clearly have absolutely no clue about Judaism; you do not deserve a detailed rebuttal.

I still would like a response to my earlier post:

So please explain how its purpose is defining Jews "through their emnity to others."

undecided.

"You are right. Judaism is bigotry"

How were the Crusades not bigotry?

"no. looking back at all previous wars and seeing that they solved nothing makes this about the easiest poll i've ever voted on"

wars don't really solve much. They occur more often than not because of powerlust and fear.

Ex. In the 1930s, when the Fascists were conquering Europe, nobody did anything to interfere (fear). The Fascists, meanwhile exploited this and achieved their goal, at least in Europe. Hitler said that if the Allies had attempted to stop him, he would have given in. The Allies could have indeed done something, since Germany, at the time was not strong. As for the fall of the British Empire, not one empire in history has ever lasted forever. The murder of more than 6 million people would not have happened as well, at least from this event.

Ex. In the 1930s, when the Fascists were conquering Europe, nobody did anything to interfere (fear). The Fascists, meanwhile exploited this and achieved their goal, at least in Europe. Hitler said that if the Allies had attempted to stop him, he would have given in. The Allies could have indeed done something, since Germany, at the time was not strong. As for the fall of the British Empire, not one empire in history has ever lasted forever. The murder of more than 6 million people would not have happened as well, at least from this event.

In the 1930s, the 'Allies' didn't exist. A Grand Alliance in the mid 1930s would have failed miserably, and Hitler had said that if Britain and France had declared war on Germany in 1936 when the Rhineland was remilitarised then he would have defeated Britain as well as France. I am sure, as are many historians, that Hitler's assessment was correct. To say Germany was not strong in the 1930s is a reasonable conclusion to come to, Germany had not fully started rearmament but nevertheless had an airforce that could have done damage. Germany had not rearmed, but neither had Britain or France; the German generals were not scared of the static defences that France and Czechoslovakia had constructed, primarily down to their outmoded designs.

Right, I'm finished with my off topic rant.

Germany's air force did do damage to London during the Blitzkereig, yet England prevailed.

In the 1930s, the 'Allies' didn't exist. A Grand Alliance in the mid 1930s would have failed miserably, and Hitler had said that if Britain and France had declared war on Germany in 1936 when the Rhineland was remilitarised then he would have defeated Britain as well as France. I am sure, as are many historians, that Hitler's assessment was correct. To say Germany was not strong in the 1930s is a reasonable conclusion to come to, Germany had not fully started rearmament but nevertheless had an airforce that could have done damage. Germany had not rearmed, but neither had Britain or France; the German generals were not scared of the static defences that France and Czechoslovakia had constructed, primarily down to their outmoded designs.

Right, I'm finished with my off topic rant.
plus, while the second world war may have done away with hitler and his regime it paved the way for stalin to take over eastern europe and the beginning of the years of paranoia that were the cold war. and it didn't stop fascism or even naziism - they still exist today and in some places gaining support even now. so, as i said before, war solves nothing, just pushes the problem somewhere/time else.

Germany's air force did do damage to London during the Blitzkereig, yet England prevailed.

That was thanks to Chamberlain and the policy of appeasement. In 1940, Britain had modern fighters and radar.
In 1936, Britain had no air detection system or enough modern fighters. What happened to Spanish cities in the Spanish Civil War would have occurred on a much bigger scale in Britain.

plus, while the second world war may have done away with hitler and his regime it paved the way for stalin to take over eastern europe and the beginning of the years of paranoia that were the cold war. and it didn't stop fascism or even naziism - they still exist today and in some places gaining support even now. so, as i said before, war solves nothing, just pushes the problem somewhere/time else.

I agree, war causes many problems and nothing will be solved during this middle east crisis.

do you expect Israel to negotiate with Hezbollah after it fired rockets at Haifa and a civilian school? Should it negotiate with terrorists? War doesn't solve anything, true, but neither do negotiations that kidnapped two soldiers deliberately. Israel is no angel, but when get suicide bombed constantly, Israel tries to make peace, and still get suicide bombed, where is room left for an angel?