NationStates Jolt Archive

http://www.equalityiniraq.com/english.htm

Especially read the articles titled "Nada Muayed: execution penalty should be abolished" and "End the Daily Massacre of Women and Children in Iraq
US Occupation Has to Leave Immediately"

Excuse any spelling/grammar errors, English may not be their first language.

http://www.equalityiniraq.com/english.htm

Especially read the articles titled "Nada Muayed: execution penalty should be abolished" and "End the Daily Massacre of Women and Children in Iraq
US Occupation Has to Leave Immediately"

Excuse any spelling/grammar errors, English may not be their first language.

All I have to do is turn on C-Span and C-SPAN 2 to see calls to withdraw our troops. Heck, not even those channels. Just turn on the television and there are calls for colition forces to leave.

Oh goodie...an Iraqi version of N.O.W. I just realized that.

Why do they hate freedom? :(

Why do they hate freedom? :(
Because the word is a label. Really from their point of view, it's a whole different system the details of which are not fully known, but which are delivered in a coercive fashion by yet another hostile force, yet another one of many to roll through.

It's like aliens invading the Earth and saying, "Worship the Queppu! Experience Joy! Experience Bliss!" and blasting anyone who tried to have a little republic instead.

Hell, maybe we have been wrong all along, we are incapable of sorting out our own problems, and submitting ourselves to the will of the Queppu will actually make the whole world happy. But that's not the point. The point is the leap of faith required to take us from A to B. How many of us will trust the Soldiers of Queppu? How many of us will walk among the others armed, ready to fight and die not for the best solution, but for the one that is ours?

That is the position in which the people we try to liberate find themselves.

Because the word is a label. Really from their point of view, it's a whole different system the details of which are not fully known, but which are delivered in a coercive fashion by yet another hostile force, yet another one of many to roll through.

It's like aliens invading the Earth and saying, "Worship the Queppu! Experience Joy! Experience Bliss!" and blasting anyone who tried to have a little republic instead.

Hell, maybe we have been wrong all along, we are incapable of sorting out our own problems, and submitting ourselves to the will of the Queppu will actually make the whole world happy. But that's not the point. The point is the leap of faith required to take us from A to B. How many of us will trust the Soldiers of Queppu? How many of us will walk among the others armed, ready to fight and die not for the best solution, but for the one that is ours?

That is the position in which the people we try to liberate find themselves.
You've won both my heart and mind.

All I have to do is turn on C-Span and C-SPAN 2 to see calls to withdraw our troops. Heck, not even those channels. Just turn on the television and there are calls for colition forces to leave.

True. You can turn on TV and hear the media report on calls for troops to leave Iraq. Sometimes more than just briefly. But ask yourself this - what do you hear about most on TV - the way the troops are dealing with problems (such as "insurgents") in Iraq, or the daily experiences of the ordinary Iraqi citizens? Compare the reporting (or lack of it) on the current and recent experiences of ordinary Iraqui Citizens with the current and recent reporting on the experiences of foreign citizens living in Israel or any coun try that is currently at risk from Israel.


Why do they hate freedom?


It's reported as freedom by the US and the UK, and maybe other countries as well. But take a closer look. Read the link I posted. Constant torture is not freedom. Deliberate killing of innocent citizens is not freedom. Being raped by US troops who should not even be "guarding" prisons in the first place now that there is an Iraqui government is not freedom. The people from the website I posted want freedom - not just freedom from the brutalities of the US troops (or of some of the US troops - I'm sure not all are inhumane), but freedom from oppression in the name of islam... freedom in general. They do want freedom. They don't hate it.

True. You can turn on TV and hear the media report on calls for troops to leave Iraq. Sometimes more than just briefly. But ask yourself this - what do you hear about most on TV - the way the troops are dealing with problems (such as "insurgents") in Iraq, or the daily experiences of the ordinary Iraqi citizens?

Nope. Seems to be all I hear about is the insurgency wrecking havoc on the civilian population and not on the coalition forces stationed in Iraq. That seems to be all I ever hear about.

Compare the reporting (or lack of it) on the current and recent experiences of ordinary Iraqui Citizens with the current and recent reporting on the experiences of foreign citizens living in Israel or any coun try that is currently at risk from Israel.

Nice bias you are showing here.

Because the word is a label. Really from their point of view, it's a whole different system the details of which are not fully known, but which are delivered in a coercive fashion by yet another hostile force, yet another one of many to roll through.

It's like aliens invading the Earth and saying, "Worship the Queppu! Experience Joy! Experience Bliss!" and blasting anyone who tried to have a little republic instead.

Hell, maybe we have been wrong all along, we are incapable of sorting out our own problems, and submitting ourselves to the will of the Queppu will actually make the whole world happy. But that's not the point. The point is the leap of faith required to take us from A to B. How many of us will trust the Soldiers of Queppu? How many of us will walk among the others armed, ready to fight and die not for the best solution, but for the one that is ours?

That is the position in which the people we try to liberate find themselves.
i've been waiting for ages for someone to put that into words cuz fuck knows i have no way with them. that was brilliantly put, email it to some world leaders now :D

Nope. Seems to be all I hear about is the insurgency wrecking havoc on the civilian population and not on the coalition forces stationed in Iraq. That seems to be all I ever hear about.

Exactly. How often do you hear about the troops harming people. Even if most of the troops were nice people, considering the vast numbers, it's logical that at least a few will be not-so-nice, purely by the laws of chance - si why haven't you heard so much about them?



Nice bias you are showing here.

Um, how is it bias? I offered 2 similar things (both related to war, both related to lives of ordinary citizens due to that war) for you to compare. Yourself.

Why do they hate freedom? :(

Freedom is meaningless if it's given.

It has to be taken to have meaning.

Exactly. How often do you hear about the troops harming people. Even if most of the troops were nice people, considering the vast numbers, it's logical that at least a few will be not-so-nice, purely by the laws of chance - si why haven't you heard so much about them?

If an incident happens involving Americans, its front page news. I guess you do not pay that close attention to the press?

Um, how is it bias? I offered 2 similar things (both related to war, both related to lives of ordinary citizens due to that war) for you to compare. Yourself.

Well you did say foreign citizens indangered by Israel which is completely false as Hezbollah put them in danger when they attacked Israel.

Memo to self:

Next time put after the post.

If an incident happens involving Americans, its front page news. I guess you do not pay that close attention to the press?

Get a few newspapers - maybe 10, from over the past few months. Count how many are either supportive of the troops (even though they may be attacking Bush for sending them) or condemning Iraquis, and how many are reporting on the daily experiences of Iraquis at the hands of US (and possibly British too) troops.



Well you did say foreign citizens indangered by Israel which is completely false as Hezbollah put them in danger when they attacked Israel.

Riiiiiiiight. So bombs are not dangerous then? It doesn't matter "who started it", tha fact remains that people living in countries that Israel is attacking are at risk from Israel. I also put "people living in Israel" - as I know that Israel is being attacked by other countries. So again, how is it bias?

It sounds like YOU are biased - assuming that Hezbollah started it. Or did you just "forget" that the Palestinians claimed Israel had been constantly firing rockets into Palestine, which they claim is the reason for the first kidnapping of an Israeli soldier?

Get a few newspapers - maybe 10, from over the past few months. Count how many are either supportive of the troops (even though they may be attacking Bush for sending them) or condemning Iraquis, and how many are reporting on the daily experiences of Iraquis at the hands of US (and possibly British too) troops.

Very few are supporting them.

Riiiiiiiight. So bombs are not dangerous then? It doesn't matter "who started it", tha fact remains that people living in countries that Israel is attacking are at risk from Israel. I also put "people living in Israel" - as I know that Israel is being attacked by other countries. So again, how is it bias?

Because in reality, foreign citizens in Israel are not all that much at risk. Folks in Lebanon are which explains the mass evacuation going on by all nations. You do not see anyone evacuating Israel.

It sounds like YOU are biased - assuming that Hezbollah started it. Or did you just "forget" that the Palestinians claimed Israel had been constantly firing rockets into Palestine, which they claim is the reason for the first kidnapping of an Israeli soldier?

You forgot that Hamas has been sending suicide bombers into Israel. you are forgetting that Hamas and other terror groups have disintegreted every cease-fire that has ever been brokered.

Very few are supporting them.

They seem to be in Britain. Perhaps not in the US...

But again, how many are reporting on the daily experiences of ordinary Iraqui Citizens at the hands of US troops?



Because in reality, foreign citizens in Israel are not all that much at risk. Folks in Lebanon are which explains the mass evacuation going on by all nations. You do not see anyone evacuating Israel.

Bombs are being aimed at Israel, just as Israel is aiming bombs at other countries. The people sending the bombs aren't checking that no foreigners are nearby - they don't even seem to be checking that they won't hit civilians, as many have died. If you are foreign, native, or a purple martian and are in an area where bombs are going off around you, you are at risk. It's logic. And one minute you suggest that I'm being biased because you misread what I wrote and apparently thought I was suggesting Israel started the attacks and thus people in Israel are actually the ones at risk from the agressors, and now you're suggesting people in Israel aren't at risk after all. As for evacuations, you don't see the media reporting on evacuations going on in Israel. That doesn't mean they aren't happening. Or that even if they aren't happening, they shouldn't be happening. Or maybe there are not so many foreigners in Israel.

You forgot that Hamas has been sending suicide bombers into Israel. you are forgetting that Hamas and other terror groups have disintegreted every cease-fire that has ever been brokered.

No I'm not. I never said either side was right. I simply stated what the Palestinains claimed.

So in short... you're biased. Not me.

Bombs are being aimed at Israel, just as Israel is aiming bombs at other countries.

I didn't know Hezbollah has aircraft? I know they are launching rocket attacks. Not the same as being bombed because bombs do more damage than these types of rockets.

The people sending the bombs aren't checking that no foreigners are nearby - they don't even seem to be checking that they won't hit civilians, as many have died.

Name me a terror group that does make sure they aren't hitting civilians.

[quot If you are foreign, native, or a purple martian and are in an area where bombs are going off around you, you are at risk. It's logic. And one minute you suggest that I'm being biased because you misread what I wrote and apparently thought I was suggesting Israel started the attacks and thus people in Israel are actually the ones at risk from the agressors, and now you're suggesting people in Israel aren't at risk after all.[/quote]

I said foreign citizens. I didn't say that Israeli citizens were at risk. I pointed out that you only said foreign citizens and not Israeli citizens were at risk which was false. Israeli citizens are most definitely at risk from the Kutyshia rocket attacks. You made no mention of native civilians.

As for evacuations, you don't see the media reporting on evacuations going on in Israel. That doesn't mean they aren't happening. Or that even if they aren't happening, they shouldn't be happening. Or maybe there are not so many foreigners in Israel.

Only thing going on in Israel is that people are moving southward but several are staying and that the US has issued a travel warning for Israel.

No I'm not. I never said either side was right. I simply stated what the Palestinains claimed.

Hopefuly you take what they are saying with a grain of salt.

So in short... you're biased. Not me.

Sorry but I do tend to ignore liars.

...........



Sorry but I do tend to ignore liars.

That insult, the fact that you have not bothered reading what I wrote properly, the fact that anyone who actually reads what I wrote and my subsequent responses to your misinterpretations (or blatant deliberate falsities) will likely understand what I wrote and thus likely have no need to reply to it, the fact that nobody else has responded negatively to my second post in this thread, and the fact that this forum is currently working extremely slowly means there is no point in even replying to you. But I'm sure you'll create your own "reason" for this decision.

That insult, the fact that you have not bothered reading what I wrote properly, the fact that anyone who actually reads what I wrote and my subsequent responses to your misinterpretations (or blatant deliberate falsities) will likely understand what I wrote and thus likely have no need to reply to it, the fact that nobody else has responded negatively to my second post in this thread, and the fact that this forum is currently working extremely slowly means there is no point in even replying to you. But I'm sure you'll create your own "reason" for this decision.

I wasn't referring to you when I said the word liars. I was talking about Hezbollah and Hamas and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, and all the other terror groups out there.

So in short... you're biased. Not me.
You've been here since September, 2005 and only just realised that about Corny?
Amazing.

So many good things go on in Iraq you don't hear about.

Brian Chontosh.

The death of so-called "juba" (death-2 7.62 match m80 rounds to the chest)

The ever dwindling supply of Hadj.

Things we are learning by the ton in the two sandboxes (Useful for other things)

Proof Marine corps valor is still alive after 225+ years.

Etc

Proof Marine corps valor is still alive after 225+ years.

Etc

And proof the Marine corps still has scumbags who do things like rape women, kill their family and pretend it never happened.

Which of course, they'll walk away from eventually with either no conviction or a slap on the wrist.

And proof the Marine corps still has scumbags who do things like rape women, kill their family and pretend it never happened.

Which of course, they'll walk away from eventually with either no conviction or a slap on the wrist.

NO, it was Army. If he is convicted and found guilty, he will rot for a long time, and justifiably so. But until then he is an American soldier, and thus treated as such.

USMC-the original Insurgent detergent! :p

Because the word is a label. Really from their point of view, it's a whole different system the details of which are not fully known, but which are delivered in a coercive fashion by yet another hostile force, yet another one of many to roll through.

It's like aliens invading the Earth and saying, "Worship the Queppu! Experience Joy! Experience Bliss!" and blasting anyone who tried to have a little republic instead.

Hell, maybe we have been wrong all along, we are incapable of sorting out our own problems, and submitting ourselves to the will of the Queppu will actually make the whole world happy. But that's not the point. The point is the leap of faith required to take us from A to B. How many of us will trust the Soldiers of Queppu? How many of us will walk among the others armed, ready to fight and die not for the best solution, but for the one that is ours?

That is the position in which the people we try to liberate find themselves.

Many kudos, I believe you are right on the mark!

NO, it was Army. If he is convicted and found guilty, he will rot for a long time, and justifiably so.

If you think he will be punished to any great extent even with a conviction, you're living in some kind of la la land. Show me a criminal in uniform who got punishment equal to his crime, and I'll show you two who walked with a laugh.

And yes, even with convictions.

In fact, I dare you to find instances of any one crime committed by a person in US military uniform who got punishments matching an equal crime by a perp out of uniform.

Higher standards my foot. Certainly not when it comes to crimes and war crimes.

@NAS: I agree. Think about the Mai Li (sp?) massacre in Vietnam. The CO was convicted for it and he lived out a pretty lavish life from home without so much as a slap on the wrist for overseeing and ordering the murder of an entire village.