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Whilst I can appreciate the quite lamentable necessity for human rights for convicted criminals, I would question quite where the notion that they are due quality television, accomodation beyond the acceptably sanitary, and the capacity to order articles from Argos is derived from?

I was previously labouring under the now evidently false delusion that prison was intended to constitute some form of punitary incarceration, with an attendant removal of luxuries......

Arrr it be no fallacy. Brig is for pain not lolligaggin.

Whilst I can appreciate the quite lamentable necessity for human rights for convicted criminals

Human rights are never lamentable. Not for anyone.

Human rights are never lamentable. Not for anyone.
Don't get all sentimental, cable tv is not a basic human right. Neither is on-time delivery.

I'm all for basic human rights in prison, but I don't recall anyone claiming everyone is entitled to free cable.

I'm all for basic human rights in prison, but I don't recall anyone claiming everyone is entitled to free cable.

It's probably in the Bible somewhere. *nod*

It's probably in the Bible somewhere. *nod*
Flame on.

I don't remember that being in there. Possible reference?

Don't get all sentimental,

Don't get all analphabetic.

cable tv is not a basic human right. Neither is on-time delivery.

No one claimed that. What was claimed was that human rights were lamentable. I disagree fully.

No one claimed that. What was claimed was that human rights were lamentable. I disagree fully.

Well, you've probably never had a mother and sister get raped and killed. Not that I'm saying I have either, but I'm sure if I had, my views on the rights of these "so-called" humans would change tremendously. I think even people outlive any useful purpose sometime. Which is fine except when they are a danger to others.

I'm all for basic human rights in prison, but I don't recall anyone claiming everyone is entitled to free cable.

rights don't enter into it - it helps make prisons safer

what are you whining about?

they asked the prisoners for their input on the running of the prison and they gave it. none of their complaints have been acted on.

most of these men are going to be released from prison some day. i see no reason to treat them so badly that they will never be fit for the society that they will be returned to. letting them earn TV privileges with good behavior does kinda come with the notion that the tv will be useful in some way for receiving tv programs

do prisoners have to pay the BBC tv tax?

I was previously labouring under the now evidently false delusion that prison was intended to constitute some form of punitary incarceration, with an attendant removal of luxuries......

they also give luxiries back for good behavior. all negative reinforcement all the time does terrible things to people.

Well, you've probably never had a mother and sister get raped and killed.

No, I just have an uncle who was murdered, and extended family members who were subject to genocide in the former Yugoslavia.

Not that I'm saying I have either, but I'm sure if I had, my views on the rights of these "so-called" humans would change tremendously.

Some of us understand that human rights are absolute and that countering someone not respecting them with not respecting them ourselves is the hight of lunacy.

I think even people outlive any useful purpose sometime. Which is fine except when they are a danger to others.

The European Convention on Human Rights and its 13th protocol ban the death penalty. Justly. :)

No, I just have an uncle who was murdered, and extended family members who were subject to genocide in the former Yugoslavia.

And you believe the people that did it should be allowed to go free someday or be given more than the basics of existence like food, water, and shelter to survive?


Some of us understand that human rights are absolute and that countering someone not respecting them with not respecting them ourselves is the hight of lunacy.

I think some people make a choice to give up their human rights. And if you do that, you should accept the consequences. These men aren't being rehabilitated. They're screwing the system. They know it and their lawyers know it. Only do-good politicians and lobbyists believe otherwise.

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Whilst I can appreciate the quite lamentable necessity for human rights for convicted criminals, I would question quite where the notion that they are due quality television, accomodation beyond the acceptably sanitary, and the capacity to order articles from Argos is derived from?

I was previously labouring under the now evidently false delusion that prison was intended to constitute some form of punitary incarceration, with an attendant removal of luxuries......
Similar to the demand for Hustler and other such illustrated literature made the other day by prisoners in another of our fine penal establishments.

And you believe the people that did it should be allowed to go free someday or be given more than the basics of existence like food, water, and shelter to survive?

Depending on level of involvement, yes. You know why? Because I am better than them.

I think some people make a choice to give up their human rights. And if you do that, you should accept the consequences. These men aren't being rehabilitated. They're screwing the system. They know it and their lawyers know it. Only do-good politicians and lobbyists believe otherwise.

"Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein."

Human rights cannot be denied, so your first sentence is gibberish.