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If everyone suddenly became psychic

Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:28
what do you think the result would be?

nobody could lie without their true feelings/thoughts being known

we'd know the thoughts of our world leaders

sexual predators would be rooted out instantly

marriages/friendships/alliances around the world would isntantly be wrecked

what else?

would the end result be ultimately good or bad in your point of view?

on the plus side:

we could potentially learn things instantly, simply by posing a question to the collective

we would always know someone elses true intentions and could never be scammed

all crimes would instantly be solved as soon as they happen

ermmm...

I dunno - I just had this thought and felt it was a fun exercise for my imagination

EDIT: oh, and I am thinkign that in this scenario, noone can learn to hide their thoughts
Ieuano
19-07-2006, 19:30
your parents would discover what you've been doing in your spare time. Scary thought
Gauthier
19-07-2006, 19:31
Then we would be able to find out if every Muslim in the world is a Borg hivemind collective like every Bushevik and Islamaphobe claims they all are.
Kryozerkia
19-07-2006, 19:31
We'd lose our collective mystic and personalities...
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:32
We'd lose our collective mystic and personalities...


we'd lose our personalities?
Farnhamia
19-07-2006, 19:32
we would be assimilated, resistance would be futile. It is a good exercise. I think in the first generation or two after the Change happened, civilization as we know it would cease to exist. There'd be all kinds of upheavals and, I suspect, a huge wave of suicides as people found out what everyone around them was thinking. Also, a lot of people would suicide because of the overload before they figured out how to screen out the input from millions and billions of other minds. Not very pleasant but ultimately the result might be good.
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 19:35
Then we would be able to find out if every Muslim in the world is a Borg hivemind collective like every Bushevik and Islamaphobe claims they all are.
And you, my dissemulative friend, would discover that many of those you despise so much are actually quite good people. :p
Kryozerkia
19-07-2006, 19:35
we'd lose our personalities?
Err... I meant identities because if everyone knew what everyone else was thinking, there'd be a case of too much pressure to conform if someone was too different from the crowd.
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:35
we would be assimilated, resistance would be futile. It is a good exercise. I think in the first generation or two after the Change happened, civilization as we know it would cease to exist. There'd be all kinds of upheavals and, I suspect, a huge wave of suicides as people found out what everyone around them was thinking. Also, a lot of people would suicide because of the overload before they figured out how to screen out the input from millions and billions of other minds. Not very pleasant but ultimately the result might be good.


I cam to pretty much the same conclusion

in the end, I think it would be a positive step for humanity even though there would be a lot of chaos initially.
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:38
Err... I meant identities because if everyone knew what everyone else was thinking, there'd be a case of too much pressure to conform if someone was too different from the crowd.


I see, yeah that's an interesting thought but if someone tried to conform it would be futile because their true self would still be known.
Mstreeted
19-07-2006, 19:39
*makes mental note to ditch boyfriend 2 & 3*
Not bad
19-07-2006, 19:40
I think that if everyone in the world spent one day reading the thoughts of some other random person in the world, in essence being put into another persons shoes to get a real honest and thorough feel for them and their desires and motives and hopes and weaknesses, I think most of us would spend however much time we needed to find that person whose mind we were in for that one day and kill them.

Either that or world peace. Its a 50 50 chance.
Farnhamia
19-07-2006, 19:40
I cam to pretty much the same conclusion

in the end, I think it would be a positive step for humanity even though there would be a lot of chaos initially.
Reminds me, in a free-associative sort of way, of a Far Side cartoon: the inevitable Far Side scientist stands on the sidewalk wearing a strange helmet, while all around him in various yards are dogs with speech balloons reading "Hey! Hey! Hey!" The caption is "Dr. Farnhamia finally discovers what dogs have been saying."

Now, if I could just tap into other people's minds ... *laughs evilly*
Farnhamia
19-07-2006, 19:42
And you didn't specify if it was just reading or two-way telepathy. You'd need two-way for the hive-mind to develop.
Gauthier
19-07-2006, 19:42
And you, my dissemulative friend, would discover that many of those you despise so much are actually quite good people. :p

I am not your friend. Not interested ever.

Oh and by the way Forrest, you'd also be sharing your head with all those Liberals and Hippies out in the world too. You'd be feeling what they feel too. How about them apples?

Then again, this whole global psychic network might be worth the literal headaches to see you spit on yourself and call yourself a babykiller.
The Black Forrest
19-07-2006, 19:44
Bad idea!

I would get slapped every time I walked by a pretty woman!
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:45
I think that if everyone in the world spent one day reading the thoughts of some other random person in the world, in essence being put into another persons shoes to get a real honest and thorough feel for them and their desires and motives and hopes and weaknesses, I think most of us would spend however much time we needed to find that person whose mind we were in for that one day and kill them.

Either that or world peace. Its a 50 50 chance.


hah!
Katurkalurkmurkastan
19-07-2006, 19:46
Bad idea!

I would get slapped every time I walked by a pretty woman!
jeez, women just can't take a compliment...
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:47
And you didn't specify if it was just reading or two-way telepathy. You'd need two-way for the hive-mind to develop.

well if everyone could read everyone elses minds, wouldnt that be a two-way communication?

I wonder if we'd even lose our vocal chords eventually as we communicate telepathically only.
[NS]Fergi America
19-07-2006, 19:47
nobody could lie without their true feelings/thoughts being known

we'd know the thoughts of our world leaders

(etc.)

Your scenario doesn't account for the fact that psychicness also includes defense--including countering mind-reading and other such stuff! It is an arms race. Those who have sense would soon learn (or already know) how to hide/block all that stuff you'd like to pick up.

Most previously-nonpsychic people would quickly learn how to not only hide their true thoughts, but how to mentally project lies as well. And those with the most incentive to lie physically, also have the most incentive to make darned sure they can effectively lie to psychics as well.

So after a period of adaptation, I'd expect life to continue as is currently normal. With a longer lag time for those who don't realize that you CAN hide your thoughts from a psychic...at least, until they realize that some people are managing it and figure out that hey, maybe everyone can...

And, if being psychic was acknowledged to be so common, some idiots or other would soon start (mis)regulating it.
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:51
Bad idea!

I would get slapped every time I walked by a pretty woman!

I thought of this as well - hehe

but it might end up like this

your thought: oh, hot body

her thought: thanks

your thought: erm, sorry. I cant help but try to picture you naked

her thought: *pictures herself naked as a reflex from hearing your thoughts*

your thought: nice! *embarassed*

her thought: oops

*awkwardness everywhere*

there'd probably also be a lot of fights from guys hearing every other guy think about how they wanna bang their girlfriend.
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 19:55
Fergi America']Your scenario doesn't account for the fact that psychicness also includes defense--including countering mind-reading and other such stuff! It is an arms race. Those who have sense would soon learn (or already know) how to hide/block all that stuff you'd like to pick up.

Most previously-nonpsychic people would quickly learn how to not only hide their true thoughts, but how to mentally project lies as well. And those with the most incentive to lie physically, also have the most incentive to make darned sure they can effectively lie to psychics as well.

So after a period of adaptation, I'd expect life to continue as is currently normal. With a longer lag time for those who don't realize that you CAN hide your thoughts from a psychic...at least, until they realize that some people are managing it and figure out that hey, maybe everyone can...

And, if being psychic was acknowledged to be so common, some idiots or other would soon start (mis)regulating it.

I should have covered that. I was thinking that hiding thoughts was not an option... ever. The fact in my imagined scenario would be that everyone can read everyone elses base thoughts.
Gauthier
19-07-2006, 19:55
Fergi America']Your scenario doesn't account for the fact that psychicness also includes defense--including countering mind-reading and other such stuff! It is an arms race. Those who have sense would soon learn (or already know) how to hide/block all that stuff you'd like to pick up.

Most previously-nonpsychic people would quickly learn how to not only hide their true thoughts, but how to mentally project lies as well. And those with the most incentive to lie physically, also have the most incentive to make darned sure they can effectively lie to psychics as well.

So after a period of adaptation, I'd expect life to continue as is currently normal. With a longer lag time for those who don't realize that you CAN hide your thoughts from a psychic...at least, until they realize that some people are managing it and figure out that hey, maybe everyone can...

And, if being psychic was acknowledged to be so common, some idiots or other would soon start (mis)regulating it.

I'll just start studying biology and genetics so I can engineer the Pariah Virus.
Daistallia 2104
19-07-2006, 20:03
what do you think the result would be?

nobody could lie without their true feelings/thoughts being known

we'd know the thoughts of our world leaders

sexual predators would be rooted out instantly

marriages/friendships/alliances around the world would isntantly be wrecked

what else?

would the end result be ultimately good or bad in your point of view?

on the plus side:

we could potentially learn things instantly, simply by posing a question to the collective

we would always know someone elses true intentions and could never be scammed

all crimes would instantly be solved as soon as they happen

ermmm...

I dunno - I just had this thought and felt it was a fun exercise for my imagination


I think the re-write of everything we know about physics (and biology, but erspecially physics) would be the most interesting result...

(much like if proof of any given deity were ever given...)
Smunkeeville
19-07-2006, 20:05
*wispers* no, then you would all know my big secret.......
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 20:06
I think the re-write of everything we know about physics (and biology, but erspecially physics) would be the most interesting result...

(much like if proof of any given deity were ever given...)

Does our understanding of physics as we now know it provide evidence that the possibility of psychic phenomenon is impossible?
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 20:07
*wispers* no, then you would all know my big secret.......


that you are really a scientologist?:D
Smunkeeville
19-07-2006, 20:08
that you are really a scientologist?:D
no.....
Carnivorous Lickers
19-07-2006, 20:08
women everywhere would see what is happening to them in my mind's eye?

Would a lead lined hat be effective against this psychic ability?
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 20:09
no.....

TG it to me... I promise not to tell everybody :p
Sumamba Buwhan
19-07-2006, 20:11
women everywhere would see what is happening to them in my mind's eye?

Would a lead lined hat be effective against this psychic ability?

Nothing would - but you know... maybe them knowing your thoughts would lead to those thoughts being brought to reality :)
Carnivorous Lickers
19-07-2006, 20:11
jeez, women just can't take a compliment...


*L* Bent over the arm of a couch isnt always seen as complimentary
Carnivorous Lickers
19-07-2006, 20:14
Nothing would - but you know... maybe them knowing your thoughts would lead to those thoughts being brought to reality :)

I'd count on it. ;)
Khadgar
19-07-2006, 20:28
I think it'd be helpful, absolute honesty.
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 20:40
*wispers* no, then you would all know my big secret.......
I already know it! Mwahahahahaha! :D
Pledgeria
19-07-2006, 20:40
TG it to me...

Tarmon Gaidon?
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 20:41
women everywhere would see what is happening to them in my mind's eye?

Would a lead lined hat be effective against this psychic ability?
True, there's a down side to that, but just imagine all the ones who saw what you were wanting to do and liked the idea ... which you would instantly know! :D

Party TIME! :D
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 20:45
I will say this about the OP ...

An awful lot of people would have to quickly come to grips with some very unpleasant realities. People would discover that there really are others who would love to kill them, that human sexuality really is one of the most potent forces on the planet, that relatives sometimes hate those they love, that hardly anyone is as "pure" as they want others to believe ... I suspect there would be a number of suicides among those unable to cope with the truth.
Carnivorous Lickers
19-07-2006, 20:46
True, there's a down side to that, but just imagine all the ones who saw what you were wanting to do and liked the idea ... which you would instantly know! :D

Party TIME! :D


Holy crap! They might even embarass me!! I never thought of that...
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 20:46
Holy crap! They might even embarass me!! I never thought of that...
YOU??? Embarassed??? OMFG!!! LMAO!
Carnivorous Lickers
19-07-2006, 20:48
I will say this about the OP ...

An awful lot of people would have to quickly come to grips with some very unpleasant realities. People would discover that there really are others who would love to kill them, that human sexuality really is one of the most potent forces on the planet, that relatives sometimes hate those they love, that hardly anyone is as "pure" as they want others to believe ... I suspect there would be a number of suicides among those unable to cope with the truth.


It would be a disaster if we were suddenly all given this "gift".

How many times have you imagined punching someone in the face? Or you're thinking "Shut the Fuck Up!! as someone talks on and on....?

If we were all born with it and learned how to deal with it, it might be different.
Carnivorous Lickers
19-07-2006, 20:49
YOU??? Embarassed??? OMFG!!! LMAO!

hey-it could happen.
Gift-of-god
19-07-2006, 20:58
...I would get laid more often.
...we wouldn't need to log on here to bitch at each other.
...we wouldn't have to signal when we got to the intersection.
...and oddly enough, my life wouldn't change much at all.
Not bad
19-07-2006, 21:13
I should have covered that. I was thinking that hiding thoughts was not an option... ever. The fact in my imagined scenario would be that everyone can read everyone elses base thoughts.

Id be more concerned about whether I could stop reading minds when I wanted to. It would be like everyone in the world talking constantly and no way to stop it. Even if it were muted by distance I can forsee the general trend toward communities somehow having to silence loud madmen out of self defense and preservation.
Not bad
19-07-2006, 21:18
I will say this about the OP ...

An awful lot of people would have to quickly come to grips with some very unpleasant realities. People would discover that there really are others who would love to kill them, that human sexuality really is one of the most potent forces on the planet, that relatives sometimes hate those they love, that hardly anyone is as "pure" as they want others to believe ... I suspect there would be a number of suicides among those unable to cope with the truth.

On the plus side all critics, pollsters and most salesmen would become unemployed almost overnight.
Isiseye
19-07-2006, 21:21
Hey if the Vulcans can deal with it...
H4ck5
19-07-2006, 21:26
Actualy one out of three people is psychic, so it's a natural phenomona. Most either don't admit to it, or don't realize it's psionics.

For example me and my ex were psychic, but differantly.

She was an empath. An empath is someone who can feel what others are feeling (sometimes even animals); this may not seem like a useful ability, but immagine how it could help your social life, your job, your oppurtunities, a therapist would love to have empathy..

I'm a medium. Now most people are a little iffy about mediums, it doesn't settle well to know anyone can comminucate with the dead. But mindyou, if you met me, it wouldn't seem all that odd cause I look and act very zombie like.. i'm right on the line between the two lol!

Now what's it do for our lives? Well, Angel is a very popular girl, she's in a band, she has many friends and those that aren't her friend are jealous of her, and everyone wants to get inside her panties. (Besides the fact she's fucking hot..) However, sense she can empathize with herself obviously, she's a very confused emotional girl. Always down on herself, always whining about how she feels hated and to blame for everything. She can't fricking relax man.. But that probably comes with that emotional sattaleite she's got going on in her soul..

I'm always one step ahead, nothing suprises me, as I always hear the voice of the dead tell me things, though really I only hear it when it holds some sortof relevance to them.. Because I'm a tool.:p But it makes my life very safe, and avoids me getting hurt. True I never really live. But that's the price we pay.

I think if everyone were psychic, our lives wouldn't be that much differant. They wouldn't be that much more easy, I mean think about it, say you were a telepath, then you'd really know just how big a loser you were when girls think about how much they don't like you.

Or a pyrokinetic, your main function is to burn shit. Doesn't exactly make you feel like the noble prize winner..

Or psychotransporter, you better hope to God you can control this power, or you're whole life could flash away, literaly! I know a person who had psychoportation and couldn't remember an entire half hour of thier life, they were at work and apparently they were there doing thier normal routine, talking to people, and getting the job done just as perfectly as usual, and yet.. she wasn't there.. like it never happend.. it scared the hell out of her but I just shrugged cause I know what psychoporation can do..

Besides, being psychic isn't fun, it's mentaly exhausting and strangles your emotional stability. Havn't you ever noticed all psychics tend to be a bit off?
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 21:31
It would be a disaster if we were suddenly all given this "gift".

How many times have you imagined punching someone in the face? Or you're thinking "Shut the Fuck Up!! as someone talks on and on....?

If we were all born with it and learned how to deal with it, it might be different.
ROFLMAO! True! And what about all those unkind thoughts we all have about others we don't even know? "OMFG she's fat!" "That ugly SOB! What the hell does that young chick see in him?" :D
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 21:32
hey-it could happen.
Uh ... would that be at about the same time that pigs learn to fly? :D
Pledgeria
19-07-2006, 21:32
I know -- I've had this argument before. People say "I'm psychic" and I ask "what kind?"

It's like if someone said s/he's a scientist. Well, that's a little vague -- there're chemists, biologists, botanists, etc.

As far a psionics, you've got telepaths, telekenetics, pyrokinetics, foreseers, media, etc.

Doesn't matter if you believe in psychic phenomena or not, it's about specificity. :)
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 21:33
On the plus side all critics, pollsters and most salesmen would become unemployed almost overnight.
LOL! Not to mention almost all the politicians! :D
Skaladora
19-07-2006, 21:41
If everyone became psychic?

I think the most powerful of psychics would just take control over their weaker brethren, and ultimately, the strongest mind would RULE THE UNIVERSE! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(In case you're wondering, I'm hoping to get to be that tyrant) :D
Teh_pantless_hero
19-07-2006, 21:56
sexual predators would be rooted out instantly
The problem is thoughts are not crimes.

Ever seen Minority Report? Long story short, the prediction was that the detective would shoot some head honcho, the whole fiasco that resulted caused a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Ieuano
19-07-2006, 22:26
Tarmon Gaidon?

telegram fool, youve been reading too much Robert Jordan

ps, can i have the 11th book if youve got it, i can only get it in hardback and that costs eighteen quid! :(
Pledgeria
19-07-2006, 22:30
telegram fool, youve been reading too much Robert Jordan

I know, I realized it after about a second. But I've spent too much time on wotmania message boards and my brain automatically interprets TG as Tarmon Gaidon.

ps, can i have the 11th book if youve got it, i can only get it in hardback and that costs eighteen quid! :(

I gave it to my niece, sorry. :(
Nadkor
19-07-2006, 22:35
I would hate it, I like having my own thoughts that nobody else can hear. I like keeping myself to myself when I want. Etc.
Not bad
20-07-2006, 02:07
Reminds me, in a free-associative sort of way, of a Far Side cartoon: the inevitable Far Side scientist stands on the sidewalk wearing a strange helmet, while all around him in various yards are dogs with speech balloons reading "Hey! Hey! Hey!" The caption is "Dr. Farnhamia finally discovers what dogs have been saying."

Now, if I could just tap into other people's minds ... *laughs evilly*


Farny you never cease to amaze me. Is the name Farnhamia really derived from a Far Side cartoon? How utterly cool in a very low profile kinda way.


Since Gary Larrson quit doing The Far Side Ive searched mostly in vain for a replacement cartoon. The closest Ive found is the Perry Bible Fellowship which is as far off the beaten track and into the weird bushes as the Far Side, but usually in a completely different direction.


Anyway to rerail, I hate paid psychics that eavesdrop on private thoughts! Why dont they just mind their own business?
Eutrusca
20-07-2006, 02:08
If everyone became psychic?

I think the most powerful of psychics would just take control over their weaker brethren, and ultimately, the strongest mind would RULE THE UNIVERSE! MWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(In case you're wondering, I'm hoping to get to be that tyrant) :D
Somehow we're not surprised. :rolleyes:
Eutrusca
20-07-2006, 02:10
I would hate it, I like having my own thoughts that nobody else can hear. I like keeping myself to myself when I want. Etc.
Let me know if you begin getting responses. ;)
Anti-Social Darwinism
20-07-2006, 02:30
what do you think the result would be?

nobody could lie without their true feelings/thoughts being known

we'd know the thoughts of our world leaders

sexual predators would be rooted out instantly

marriages/friendships/alliances around the world would isntantly be wrecked

what else?

would the end result be ultimately good or bad in your point of view?

on the plus side:

we could potentially learn things instantly, simply by posing a question to the collective

we would always know someone elses true intentions and could never be scammed

all crimes would instantly be solved as soon as they happen

ermmm...

I dunno - I just had this thought and felt it was a fun exercise for my imagination

EDIT: oh, and I am thinkign that in this scenario, noone can learn to hide their thoughts

This would be a dangerous world to live in, if everyone knew what everyone was thinking of everyone else. I foresee huge increases in the divorce rate, a lowering in the birth rate and the number of marriages, an increase in attempted murder and assault. To quote my daughter, "If you think people suck now, wait until you know what they're thinking."
Daistallia 2104
20-07-2006, 18:23
Does our understanding of physics as we now know it provide evidence that the possibility of psychic phenomenon is impossible?

Claims of psychic phenomenon have yet to provide valid and reliable reproducable experimental peer reviewed evidence of their claims. Until such time as they do so, they cannot be considered under sciences such as physics.
Sumamba Buwhan
20-07-2006, 22:23
Tarmon Gaidon?

No habla espanol

I will say this about the OP ...

An awful lot of people would have to quickly come to grips with some very unpleasant realities. People would discover that there really are others who would love to kill them, that human sexuality really is one of the most potent forces on the planet, that relatives sometimes hate those they love, that hardly anyone is as "pure" as they want others to believe ... I suspect there would be a number of suicides among those unable to cope with the truth.

I think so too, but would you think that it does more harm than good or would the good outweigh the bad that came from it? I believe that all the chaos would lead to major tragedy but eventually we would learn to make it work for us.

I didn't need to read minds to know how hateful my grandmother who partially raised me could be. Most people who knew her would be surprised to hear the hateful things this sweet giving devout Catholic woman said to me and behind my back as well (usually when she was drunk though).

It would be a disaster if we were suddenly all given this "gift".

How many times have you imagined punching someone in the face? Or you're thinking "Shut the Fuck Up!! as someone talks on and on....?

If we were all born with it and learned how to deal with it, it might be different.

you got that right... the guy I share an office with often hears me tell him to keep it down (because he blasts his moded music, he constantly sings the songs as well while repeatedly asking me "you like that song huh?" and tells what he thinks are funny jokes that are about 10 years old and weren't even funny back then) but if he could read my mind he would hear just how much I dispise sharing an office with him.

Id be more concerned about whether I could stop reading minds when I wanted to. It would be like everyone in the world talking constantly and no way to stop it. Even if it were muted by distance I can forsee the general trend toward communities somehow having to silence loud madmen out of self defense and preservation.


agreed, I think it would probably work best if we could read minds when we wanted to rather than just hearing everyone (or everyone within a certain radius) all the time.


I know -- I've had this argument before. People say "I'm psychic" and I ask "what kind?"

It's like if someone said s/he's a scientist. Well, that's a little vague -- there're chemists, biologists, botanists, etc.

As far a psionics, you've got telepaths, telekenetics, pyrokinetics, foreseers, media, etc.

Doesn't matter if you believe in psychic phenomena or not, it's about specificity. :)

I thought I was being specific when I explained what I meant by 'psychic' (i.e. everyone can read everyone else thoughts). Was my OP really that vague to you?

The problem is thoughts are not crimes.

Ever seen Minority Report? Long story short, the prediction was that the detective would shoot some head honcho, the whole fiasco that resulted caused a self-fulfilling prophecy.

right, and I didnt suggest that they were. I merely suggested that we could root out sexual predators right away. This could mean a lot more than, arrest anyone who thinks about doing something that is against the law, and in fact it wasn't what I was sayign at all. Guess I shoudl have been more clear.

Although I could see a situation where people could be targetted for their thoughts before having done anythign. I think that although a tragedy, we would at least be able to stop may crimes preemptively.

Mr Johnson always lusts for your 9 year old boy, so you don't let Mr Johnson near him ever because you heard what he thought.


This would be a dangerous world to live in, if everyone knew what everyone was thinking of everyone else. I foresee huge increases in the divorce rate, a lowering in the birth rate and the number of marriages, an increase in attempted murder and assault. To quote my daughter, "If you think people suck now, wait until you know what they're thinking."

agreed and you have a smert daughter

Claims of psychic phenomenon have yet to provide valid and reliable reproducable experimental peer reviewed evidence of their claims. Until such time as they do so, they cannot be considered under sciences such as physics.

right, but I was referring to how you said there would have to be a re-write of everything we know about physics and biology as if our current models disproves psychic thought as a possibility. I am no so certain that it does any such thing.

I have no doubt of our ability to perform psychic functions, though. I have successfully read friends thoughts during psychic tests and have also had visions of future events that came true.
Daistallia 2104
21-07-2006, 05:17
right, but I was referring to how you said there would have to be a re-write of everything we know about physics and biology as if our current models disproves psychic thought as a possibility. I am no so certain that it does any such thing.

I have no doubt of our ability to perform psychic functions, though. I have successfully read friends thoughts during psychic tests and have also had visions of future events that came true.

Models of physics don't prove or disprove anything, they explain what's been observed. There's nothing that would explain psi phenomenon in the current models of physics or biology because, as I said above, it hasn't been observed. If psi phenomenon were to be reliable observed, the model would have to be re-written to account for it.
Sumamba Buwhan
21-07-2006, 06:13
Models of physics don't prove or disprove anything, they explain what's been observed. There's nothing that would explain psi phenomenon in the current models of physics or biology because, as I said above, it hasn't been observed. If psi phenomenon were to be reliable observed, the model would have to be re-written to account for it.

It just sounded like a wierd way of putting it. I was thinking more along the lines of these models being added on to rather than completely rewritten.
Pledgeria
21-07-2006, 09:13
I thought I was being specific when I explained what I meant by 'psychic' (i.e. everyone can read everyone else thoughts). Was my OP really that vague to you?

No, your OP was very specific. And if you re-read, you'll notice the comment wasn't addressed to you or the question, but to something that was said immediately before.

But thank you for the condescending attitude. Nice to have an a--hole stand up identify himself.

EDIT: The post you bitched about wast in reply to #47.
BackwoodsSquatches
21-07-2006, 09:20
Claims of psychic phenomenon have yet to provide valid and reliable reproducable experimental peer reviewed evidence of their claims. Until such time as they do so, they cannot be considered under sciences such as physics.


You do know that the U.S government employed a team of "Remote Viewers" for many years, and the team is credited with several successes, right?

Thats right, the U.S government employed psychics to spy on the Russians.
Daistallia 2104
21-07-2006, 16:22
You do know that the U.S government employed a team of "Remote Viewers" for many years, and the team is credited with several successes, right?

Thats right, the U.S government employed psychics to spy on the Russians.

Well I do know of the various CIA and DIA programs that were flops, and I am aware the CIA discontinued their remote viewing program after more than 20 years, citing no results:

The evaluators of remote-viewing's intelligence-gathering usefulness concluded that the technique "has not been shown to have value in intelligence operations." They found that the information provided was vague, inconsistent (from viewing to viewing), and often irrelevant or outright erroneous. As mentioned earlier, they also stated that in some cases of touted hits the remote viewers might have had much more background information than was apparent. They determined that "remote viewings have never provided an adequate basis for 'actionable' intelligence operations-that is, information sufficiently valuable or compelling so that action was taken as a result" (Mumford et al. 1995)
http://www.csicop.org/sb/2001-03/i-files.html
New Zero Seven
21-07-2006, 16:38
It'd be noisy as hell....!!!! :eek:
Infinite Revolution
21-07-2006, 16:47
*snip*
someone needs to keep off the mushrooms :p

i reckon if everyone was psyckic (aw crap i forgot how to spell it in the short time it took for the reply page to load, i hate my memory) then there'd be a hell of a lot of confusion and hot headedness for a generation or two until all the people alive had been born with it and so found it completely normal and then the whole world could live happily and stably. or if you mean that from a point every new child born would be psykic then there would be a 'master-race' for a couple of generations until everyone was psykick and then the whole world could live happily and stably.
Farnhamia
21-07-2006, 16:56
someone needs to keep off the mushrooms :p

i reckon if everyone was psyckic (aw crap i forgot how to spell it in the short time it took for the reply page to load, i hate my memory) then there'd be a hell of a lot of confusion and hot headedness for a generation or two until all the people alive had been born with it and so found it completely normal and then the whole world could live happily and stably. or if you mean that from a point every new child born would be psykic then there would be a 'master-race' for a couple of generations until everyone was psykick and then the whole world could live happily and stably.
See Arthur Clarke's Childhood's End (1953).
Infinite Revolution
21-07-2006, 17:00
See Arthur Clarke's Childhood's End (1953).
would that help with my memory or my spelling, or be a literary validation of my theory? or all of the above? that'd be good :D
Farnhamia
21-07-2006, 17:12
would that help with my memory or my spelling, or be a literary validation of my theory? or all of the above? that'd be good :D
Pretty close to all of the above, assuming I remember the story correctly and you pay attention to Clarke's handling of the language. :D
Sumamba Buwhan
21-07-2006, 17:22
No, your OP was very specific. And if you re-read, you'll notice the comment wasn't addressed to you or the question, but to something that was said immediately before.

But thank you for the condescending attitude. Nice to have an a--hole stand up identify himself.

EDIT: The post you bitched about wast in reply to #47.

I think you were reading more into my reply than was meant. I actually thought you were replyign to that guy in agreement that I wasn't being specific is all and was curious if you really felt that my OP wasn't specific enough. Calm down champ. There, I had to be condescending since I was accused of it.
Acirema Htron
21-07-2006, 18:01
All taboos would eventually cease to exist, as people got used knowing when their mate was jerking off, or having sex. And you'd make friends with people who genuinely liked you, and date people who genuinely liked you. You'd understand the needs of everyone around you instantly, so things would get done instantly, no need for talking. Arguements would resolve far more quickly.
You'd think there would be world peace as a result, eventually, when people got used to it.

Some people wouldn't be able to take it, but they can just go wear metal helmets. (X-men series has shown these to be effective).