NationStates Jolt Archive


UKians

The Lightning Star
19-07-2006, 17:48
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?
Teh_pantless_hero
19-07-2006, 17:49
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?
Nonsensical.
Azmi
19-07-2006, 17:49
then it seems like theyre ukranians... but its good with me :D
Ieuano
19-07-2006, 17:49
no because we already have perfectly good name (british)which cannot be confused witha continent unlike american
Whittlesfield
19-07-2006, 17:49
Why take it out on ur Brits, when its the *Europeans* that call you USians? Surely it would be EUians, because, according to you, EU = Europe.
The Aeson
19-07-2006, 17:49
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?

You can call people from the French Republic French! How's that?
Eutrusca
19-07-2006, 17:50
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?
ROFLMFAO!!! :D
Vacuumhead
19-07-2006, 17:50
Actually I like the sound of that word. I'm a UKian. :)
Laerod
19-07-2006, 17:50
How long has it been since the stickies on avoiding this were taken away? Cant be more than a few weeks at most...
Taldaan
19-07-2006, 17:51
Thing is, we already have a word for it that won't be used by anyone else, unlike Americans. Ever heard of the British before? Plus we normally go by the name of the country we're from, anyway, so normally its English, Scottish, Welsh, or Irish. The people who call Americans USians have some kind of point, although I don't agree with it despite being British. You, however, just seem to be out for some petty revenge.
Free Soviets
19-07-2006, 17:52
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians".

aww, pobrecito
Teh_pantless_hero
19-07-2006, 17:52
If you wanted to look less like a moron when being whiny, use "UKers" as that is more correct.
The Lightning Star
19-07-2006, 17:53
You can call people from the French Republic French! How's that?

No, they would be FRians :p
Deep Kimchi
19-07-2006, 17:54
Why take it out on ur Brits, when its the *Europeans* that call you USians? Surely it would be EUians, because, according to you, EU = Europe.


That's pronounced, 'eeeuwians'
Ieuano
19-07-2006, 17:54
No, they would be FRians :p

ah but that can be confused wth frisians
Nosely J
19-07-2006, 17:56
Why do we even need to call Americans "USians"? Why don't we just go back to calling them, shock and horror, "Americans"?

Ludicrous, I know, but hey.
Khadgar
19-07-2006, 17:56
Well I considered the EU to be roughly equivalent to the US, so anyone from anywhere in Europe will be called Euian by me.

Not to be confused with Eunich.
The White Hats
19-07-2006, 17:56
And we would care about the proposed nomenclature, why?
The Aeson
19-07-2006, 17:57
Why do we even need to call Americans "USians"? Why don't we just go back to calling them, shock and horror, "Americans"?

Ludicrous, I know, but hey.

It's on account of there being two continents (well three if you count Central America as it's own) that also bear the name 'America' and if people from the United States of America are 'the' Americans, where does that leave everyone else on those continents.
Cabra West
19-07-2006, 17:58
Why take it out on ur Brits, when its the *Europeans* that call you USians? Surely it would be EUians, because, according to you, EU = Europe.

That's not a bad idea... it would end the confusion when people use Europe as synonym for the EU, and vice versa.
[NS:]Lansce-IC
19-07-2006, 18:00
If we look at it from a darwinian view, all of Europe is US's common ancestor. So you could just call us More Evolved Than Europe (METE). :D
Psychotic Mongooses
19-07-2006, 18:02
That's not a bad idea... it would end the confusion when people use Europe as synonym for the EU, and vice versa.
Seconded.
Fartsniffage
19-07-2006, 18:02
Lansce-IC']If we look at it from a darwinian view, all of Europe is US's common ancestor. So you could just call us More Evolved Than Europe (METE). :D

shame so many mutations die out as they are utterly useless :p
Taldaan
19-07-2006, 18:03
Lansce-IC']If we look at it from a darwinian view, all of Europe is US's common ancestor. So you could just call us More Evolved Than Europe (METE). :D

Not really. Where do you think we sent the retarded ones?

;)

No offence, I love you really.
Kedalfax
19-07-2006, 18:03
It's on account of there being two continents (well three if you count Central America as it's own) that also bear the name 'America' and if people from the United States of America are 'the' Americans, where does that leave everyone else on those continents.

*sigh*. It leaves them being called by the nation from which they came. From Canada? Canadian! Mexico? Mexican! Brazil? Brazilian! Panama? Panamanian!

We are the United States of America. Mexico is los Estados Unidos de Mexico. So would they be called EUian? Technically, Texas was part of Mexico, so Texans could be EUian, too!

THERE ARE NO OTHER NATIONS NAMED AMERICA!

And isn't there a sticky that said that we aren't supposed to make threads about why people don't like to be called USian?

Not really. Where do you think we sent the retarded ones?

;)

No offence, I love you really.
No, you sent them to Australia. We're just retarded because the fat in our bloodstream is blocking the flow to our brains.

No offence to Australia, though.
DHomme
19-07-2006, 18:03
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?

Im so offended.
Kecibukia
19-07-2006, 18:03
Why do we even need to call Americans "USians"? Why don't we just go back to calling them, shock and horror, "Americans"?

Ludicrous, I know, but hey.

Because then those who use the term would lose one more way to be snide and condascending while trying to prove their own superiority in the many "US = bad" threads.
Kazcaper
19-07-2006, 18:05
The thing with "USian" is that 'America' also refers to continents as well as a country, whereas the 'United Kingdom [of Great Britain and Northern Ireland]' does not. I think "USian" is a bloody stupid term, but I do understand the reasons behind it, and those aren't especially relevant here.

However, I honestly could not give a flying fuck if people want to call us "UKians". I've been called Irish, British, European etc, and none of those terms bother me - a new one, contrived or otherwise, is not going to do so either ("EUian" included). Call us whatever you deem suitable; it's not a big deal, really. I can understand Americans getting irritated by the use of term "USian", but I cannot for the life of me fathom what is so seemingly mortally offensive about it.
Fleckenstein
19-07-2006, 18:05
It's on account of there being two continents (well three if you count Central America as it's own) that also bear the name 'America' and if people from the United States of America are 'the' Americans, where does that leave everyone else on those continents.
If they had 'America' in their name (like the old United States of Central America), then i could see it. But no South American, be they Preuvian or Brazilian, identifies as American.

When someone says 'America,' what do you think?
PasturePastry
19-07-2006, 18:08
That's pronounced, 'eeeuwians'

I was thinking it would be more pronounced like "youuns", so it can have that redneck twang to it.
Deep Kimchi
19-07-2006, 18:09
I don't care if people call us "USian".

Why should I?

I am more than happy to call Europeans "Europeans" as though they are all the same political entity, with the same racial, ethnic, linguistic, religious, cultural, and political background.

I see so many people on this forum making that mistake about USians, so I feel happy to return the favor.
Glitziness
19-07-2006, 18:09
*shrugs*
This whole topic baffles me completely.
Teh_pantless_hero
19-07-2006, 18:11
*shrugs*
This whole topic baffles me completely.
It comes from a lack of Prozac.
Baguetten
19-07-2006, 18:13
When someone says 'America,' what do you think?

I think of the super continent. I most definitely do not think solely of the inhabitants of the poorly named USA.

In any case, USian has a use. I'll refer to people from the UK as English, or as North Irish, or Welsh or what have you. I will not refer to people from the US as "Americans" because that term includes Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians and so forth. The latter do not deserve the ignominy.
RLI Returned
19-07-2006, 18:13
*sigh*. It leaves them being called by the nation from which they came. From Canada? Canadian! Mexico? Mexican! Brazil? Brazilian! Panama? Panamanian!

We are the United States of America. Mexico is los Estados Unidos de Mexico. So would they be called EUian? Technically, Texas was part of Mexico, so Texans could be EUian, too!

THERE ARE NO OTHER NATIONS NAMED AMERICA!

And isn't there a sticky that said that we aren't supposed to make threads about why people don't like to be called USian?

Oh for heaven's sake...

Let me make it simple for you. I am English. England is part of Great Britain so I am also British. Britain is part of Europe so I am also a European.

The word 'American' is already in use to describe people from the continents of the Americas. People in Mexico are called Mexicans but as Mexico is part of America they are also American. People in Canada are called Canadian but they Canada is also a part of America so they are also American.

If you don't like the term 'USian' then suggest a better term and we might use it but we're not going to denigrate the 640 million Americans who aren't resident in the US.
Daistallia 2104
19-07-2006, 18:14
How long has it been since the stickies on avoiding this were taken away? Cant be more than a few weeks at most...

Days, not weeks. And just because the stickies not up, doesn't mean the policies not still in effect. Afterall, the copycat stickies gone, but I expect the mods to apply both, regardless.


And for all the posters claiming the UK = Britain, there's only one thing to say: BULLSHIT!!!!
Here are several sites listing Ireland as British:

(Note: using .uk sites only)
http://www.geograph.org.uk/
http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/britishisles/
http://www.phon.ox.ac.uk/IViE/

The Republic of Ireland is part of Britain, but not part of the UK. So if you want to call people from the USA, something ahistorical to distinguish them from people from otherparts of the Americas, SUCK IT UP and start calling yourselves an ahistorical name to distinguish yourselves fromn Ireland.

Turn about is fair play.
Baguetten
19-07-2006, 18:14
Oh for heaven's sake...

Let me make it simple for you. I am English. England is part of Great Britain so I am also British. Britain is part of Europe so I am also a European.

The word 'American' is already in use to describe people from the continents of the Americas. People in Mexico are called Mexicans but as Mexico is part of America they are also American. People in Canada are called Canadian but they Canada is also a part of America so they are also American.

If you don't like the term 'USian' then suggest a better term and we might use it but we're not going to denigrate the 640 million Americans who aren't resident in the US.

Hear, hear!
[NS:]Lansce-IC
19-07-2006, 18:15
I'm going for American, because the only other important country in North/South America is Columbia.... and that's only because they make cocain. In effect, we rule two continents!!!! BOOYAKASHA! I'll snipe anyone that says otherwise! :sniper:
PasturePastry
19-07-2006, 18:17
I don't care if people call us "USian".

Why should I?

I am more than happy to call Europeans "Europeans" as though they are all the same political entity, with the same racial, ethnic, linguistic, religious, cultural, and political background.

I see so many people on this forum making that mistake about USians, so I feel happy to return the favor.

Actually, if you are going to come up with a disparaging term, Europeons would work well.
Daistallia 2104
19-07-2006, 18:18
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?

And to give equal grief to you, be very careful that you keep that distinction of Great Britan (the Eastern island of the British Isles), as Great Britain is still all part of the UK (at least as long as Scotland doesn't totaly devolve), but you can't call all people from Britain UKians.
Rasselas
19-07-2006, 18:19
Days, not weeks. And just because the stickies not up, doesn't mean the policies not still in effect. Afterall, the copycat stickies gone, but I expect the mods to apply both, regardless.


The copycat sticky got moved into the general advice sticky. The USian sticky disappeared :confused:

UKian doesn't even make sense. United Kingdomian?
Deep Kimchi
19-07-2006, 18:19
And to give equal grief to you, be very careful that you keep that distinction of Great Britan (the Eastern island of the British Isles), as Great Britain is still all part of the UK (at least as long as Scotland doesn't totaly devolve), but you can't call all people from Britain UKians.

And remember that the best beer is not found anywhere in the British Isles, but in Belgium (ok, maybe in Holland as well).
Drake and Dragon Keeps
19-07-2006, 18:20
I think of the super continent. I most definitely do not think solely of the inhabitants of the poorly named USA.
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Shouldn't you think of Americas not America for the continents as a group. For the seperate continents you have South and North and Central at the begining to distinguish.

.[/QUOTE]
In any case, USian has a use. I'll refer to people from the UK as English, or as North Irish, or Welsh or what have you. I will not refer to people from the US as "Americans" because that term includes Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians and so forth. The latter do not deserve the ignominy.[/QUOTE]

Shouldn't it be Americasians using that logic as they are from the Americas not America. With the Sub divisions being North American, South American and Central American.

I don't really care about the issue it is just USians doesn't sound right to me.
UpwardThrust
19-07-2006, 18:20
The copycat sticky got moved into the general advice sticky. The USian sticky disappeared :confused:

UKian doesn't even make sense. United Kingdomian?
Blind retribution/relativism does not require logic
WC Imperial Court
19-07-2006, 18:21
no because we already have perfectly good name (british)which cannot be confused witha continent unlike american
it doesnt matter what word u use. Its how you use it that makes it derogatory or acceptable.
WC Imperial Court
19-07-2006, 18:22
ROFLMFAO!!! :D
lol easy there, cowboy. It wasnt that funny
Anarchic Conceptions
19-07-2006, 18:22
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?

I like the idea. It might stop certain US citizens refering to everyone in the country as "English"


Not to be confused with Eunich.

Eunich?
The Phoenix Milita
19-07-2006, 18:23
Hmm... I think we need this term UKians because otherwise we will confuse them with people from British Columbia.
WC Imperial Court
19-07-2006, 18:23
ah but that can be confused wth frisians
From whence do frisians come??
JuNii
19-07-2006, 18:23
no because we already have perfectly good name (british)which cannot be confused witha continent unlike american
if people are mistaking the country America with the continent North America. the problem isn't the name but their education system.
Ieuano
19-07-2006, 18:23
it doesnt matter what word u use. Its how you use it that makes it derogatory or acceptable.

very true
UpwardThrust
19-07-2006, 18:24
I like the idea. It might stop certain US citizens refering to everyone in the country as "English"



Eunich?
Someone who has their bits chopped off :)
Laerod
19-07-2006, 18:24
Days, not weeks. And just because the stickies not up, doesn't mean the policies not still in effect. Afterall, the copycat stickies gone, but I expect the mods to apply both, regardless.Exactly my point. NS Generals collective memory seems to have lapsed rather quickly.
Ieuano
19-07-2006, 18:25
From whence do frisians come??

The Power Of Wiki Explains All (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians)
Gauthier
19-07-2006, 18:25
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?

Ladies and Gentlemen, coming soon to a global theater near you...

From Real American™ Production...

...it's FREEDOM FRIES, PART DEUX!!

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!!
Baguetten
19-07-2006, 18:25
Shouldn't you think of Americas not America for the continents as a group. For the seperate continents you have South and North and Central at the begining to distinguish.

Actually, no, as the European usage is often "America" for the super continent when referring to the entire landmass, and "Americas" when one wishes to make a distinction that one sees it as made up of two smaller continents. So, "America" is courant for the landmass/super continent.

Shouldn't it be Americasians using that logic as they are from the Americas not America.

I just dealt with that.
Laerod
19-07-2006, 18:25
From whence do frisians come??The coastal area around the borders between the Netherlands and Germany.
Ieuano
19-07-2006, 18:26
if people are mistaking the country America with the continent North America. the problem isn't the name but their education system.

true, i dont call americans Usians because it is jus PC go too far. if they want to be called Americans and that is fine by me
Anarchic Conceptions
19-07-2006, 18:27
From whence do frisians come??

They are a type of cow.

Also could refer to someone from Frisia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisia)

Someone who has their bits chopped off :)

'Tis a Eunuch ;)
UpwardThrust
19-07-2006, 18:28
They are a type of cow.

Also could refer to someone from Frisia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisia)



'Tis a Eunuch ;)
Ohhh thanks is my face red!
Bobs Own Pipe
19-07-2006, 18:29
lol easy there, cowboy. It wasnt that funny
Well, you know - small things amuse smaller minds...
Daistallia 2104
19-07-2006, 18:29
Because then those who use the term would lose one more way to be snide and condascending while trying to prove their own superiority in the many "US = bad" threads.

Bingo. There are other means of refereing to people from the US if you want to distinguish them from other peoples of the Americas - people from the US for example. American has deep historical roots as the term for people from the US. Those who want to force this to change are PCPOS (http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/heideroosjes/pcpos.html)s.

(And, DK, you are an awful (original meaning!) little man. Everyone who's anyone knows the best beers are Czech or German. ;))
Psychotic Mongooses
19-07-2006, 18:30
The Republic of Ireland is part of Britain, but not part of the UK.
Say what?

The Republic of Ireland is neither part of Britain or the UK.

It is geographically located in the British Isles. Big difference.
Anarchic Conceptions
19-07-2006, 18:31
Ohhh thanks is my face red!

Sorry, I spend my whole day making sure data is absolutley correct, I've noticed I've become a lot more pedantic since taking this job :(
Drake and Dragon Keeps
19-07-2006, 18:33
Actually, no, as the European usage is often "America" for the super continent when referring to the entire landmass, and "Americas" when one wishes to make a distinction that one sees it as made up of two smaller continents. So, "America" is courant for the landmass/super continent.
.

I don't agree with you on that point, using America I thought is just bad english when Americas is technically correct. I have never heard of the super continent as being referred to as America, I have always called it The Americas. I have only seen people using it your way on this forum.

Though I will admit that I might be wrong in my belief.
Daistallia 2104
19-07-2006, 18:34
Exactly my point. NS Generals collective memory seems to have lapsed rather quickly.

And this is a surprise why?

Oh I wish I could remember the person who said it and the quote correctly, but there's a great quote to the effect that the collective intelligence of a group is inversely proportional to it's numbers...

And Psychotic Mongooses, check the sites I linked - they all list Ireland as British.
Wingarde
19-07-2006, 18:37
if people are mistaking the country America with the continent North America. the problem isn't the name but their education system.
Um, no. The continent is called America. North America, Central America and South America are SUB-CONTINENTS!

- There are no other United States around but the USA right now (no, not Mexico, because Estados Unidos Mexicanos translates into United Mexican States), so USian is appropriate.

- To the guys who think using FRians, UKians, FDRians, etc. is as correct as USian, well, it's not. The adjectives French, British and German (not to be confused with Germanic) are valid because they're unique and represent just a country (unlike American, which could be used to refer to both the continent and the country). Oh, and people living in the British Columbia are called British Columbians (or oddly enough, BCers).
Residents are referred to as British Columbians or BCers, so no confusion there.
Snow Eaters
19-07-2006, 18:37
Hi, I'm Canadian.

I am NOT American.

Neither my country, nor my continent is "America"

If, for example, I'm with Europeans and Asians, I might refer to myself as North American, but it would never cross my mind to lump myself in with my South American friends.

USian is shorter to type, but other than that, no one is contending with Americans for their name.
Baguetten
19-07-2006, 18:39
I don't agree with you on that point, using America I thought is just bad english when Americas is technically correct.

"Americas" is a newer term. "America" is the original one. Neither is more "technically" correct than the other - it all depends on which aspect one wishes to emphasise.

I have never heard of the super continent as being referred to as America, I have always called it The Americas. I have only seen people using it your way on this forum.

I've heard and read "America" a lot more often than "The Americas."

Though I will admit that I might be wrong in my belief.

Giving up on the anecdotes would be even better of you, as they are so easily countered by other anecdotes to the contrary.
Rasselas
19-07-2006, 18:39
And this is a surprise why?

Oh I wish I could remember the person who said it and the quote correctly, but there's a great quote to the effect that the collective intelligence of a group is inversely proportional to it's numbers...

And Psychotic Mongooses, check the sites I linked - they all list Ireland as British.

United Kingdom = Great Britain and Northern Ireland
Great Britain = England, Scotland, Wales
British Isles = UK and Ireland.

So depends on what you mean by "British" I guess :p
Refused Party Program
19-07-2006, 18:39
A misguided attempt to assault the sensibilities of the British posters on the forum receives a resounding "who gives a shit?" and I'll concur because it's not my job to prevent you making a fool of yourself.
Anarchic Conceptions
19-07-2006, 18:41
And Psychotic Mongooses, check the sites I linked - they all list Ireland as British.

They all list Ireland as being in the British Isles
Baguetten
19-07-2006, 18:41
If, for example, I'm with Europeans and Asians, I might refer to myself as North American, but it would never cross my mind to lump myself in with my South American friends.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand: It doesn't matter how you'd "lump" yourselves - it's how we'd "lump" you that's the point.
PasturePastry
19-07-2006, 18:42
Yeah, I think the whole UKians thing is pointless. The way I see it, if you want to annoy people in the UK, call them Belgians.:D
Baguetten
19-07-2006, 18:43
A misguided attempt to assault the sensibilities of the British posters on the forum receives a resounding "who gives a shit?" and I'll concur because it's not my job to prevent you making a fool of yourself.

I think it's telling that I haven't seen anyone spaz out in a "no, you mustn't call us UKians - how rude of you, you anti-British person, you!" yet. Most have just gone "meh."
Infinite Revolution
19-07-2006, 18:43
I'm one of those people who is fucking tired of people trying to call Americans "USians". However, I am a reasonable guy, so I've come up with an idea. I will accept people calling Americans "USians" if we can refer to people from Great Britain as UKians. How's that, hmmm?
not a problem for me. but i'll continue to refer to myself as british if asked my nationality.
Psychotic Mongooses
19-07-2006, 18:43
And Psychotic Mongooses, check the sites I linked - they all list Ireland as British.
Well, I'd think I'd know....

I live here.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/ - "The Geograph British Isles project aims to collect geographically representative photographs and information for every square kilometre of the UK and Eire, and you can be part of it."

Thats correct.

http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/britishisles/ -"The term British Isles defines a purely geographic area - not, as is sometimes thought, a political area....
Applying the term British, or any of its variants, to citizens of the republic is both incorrect politically and politically incorrect"

Also correct.

http://www.phon.ox.ac.uk/IViE/ -"We are looking at so-called modern or mainstream dialects (Trudgill 1998) and we have recorded data from nine urban varieties of English spoken in the British Isles."

While correct, they are woefully unclear and quiet jumbled in their text.
JuNii
19-07-2006, 18:43
Um, no. The continent is called America. North America, Central America and South America are SUB-CONTINENTS!

- There are no other United States around but the USA right now (no, not Mexico, because Estados Unidos Mexicanos translates into United Mexican States), so USian is appropriate.

- To the guys who think using FRians, UKians, FDRians, etc. is as correct as USian, well, it's not. The adjectives French, British and German (not to be confused with Germanic) are valid because they're unique and represent just a country (unlike American, which could be used to refer to both the continent and the country). Oh, and people living in the British Columbia are called British Columbians (or oddly enough, BCers).Check again, the supercontinent is called the AMERICAS (plural) not America (Singular)
thus North and South America may be sub continents but they are still counted seperately.

and there is no other nation in either of the AMERICAS that has the name America in it. thus Citizens of the USA can be called Americans if they wish and whomever forces a label on someone who does not want that label is wrong.
Fartsniffage
19-07-2006, 18:45
A misguided attempt to assault the sensibilities of the British posters on the forum receives a resounding "who gives a shit?" and I'll concur because it's not my job to prevent you making a fool of yourself.

+1

Call me Sandra if you like.
Anarchic Conceptions
19-07-2006, 18:46
Yeah, I think the whole UKians thing is pointless. The way I see it, if you want to annoy people in the UK, call them Belgians.:D

It is also possible to annoy far whack of the population by using English exclusively to describe them all ;)
Fartsniffage
19-07-2006, 18:47
It is also possible to annoy far whack of the population by using English exclusively to describe them all ;)

If you really want to annoy us, call us french. Or call a manc a scouser :p
Refused Party Program
19-07-2006, 18:47
I think it's telling that I haven't seen anyone spaz out in a "no, you mustn't call us UKians - how rude of you, you anti-British person, you!" yet. Most have just gone "meh."


Indentity politics, eh?

*shakes head*
Fleckenstein
19-07-2006, 18:48
I think of the super continent. I most definitely do not think solely of the inhabitants of the poorly named USA.

In any case, USian has a use. I'll refer to people from the UK as English, or as North Irish, or Welsh or what have you. I will not refer to people from the US as "Americans" because that term includes Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians and so forth. The latter do not deserve the ignominy.
Canada does not want to be considered American. How do you interpret that sentence?

Poorly named? We were name when we were the only states in America! That's why the United States of Central America had a different name.

Would you call someone from Bolivia American?
How about Panama? Arent they American?
What about Uruguay? They fall under American

Then why dont you call them American?

And USian doesnt work, because that degrades the United States of Mexico, or United Mexican States. Saying that citizens from the United States of America are from the United States disregards the United Mexican States.
Iztatepopotla
19-07-2006, 18:48
Bingo. There are other means of refereing to people from the US if you want to distinguish them from other peoples of the Americas - people from the US for example. American has deep historical roots as the term for people from the US. Those who want to force this to change are PCPOS (http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/heideroosjes/pcpos.html)s.

Meh, there are still deeper historical roots to refer to people from the American continent as Americans. There should be no conflict, though; context in most cases makes it clear which ones you mean. Problem is when people from the USA believe that the name "America" started with their country and that "American" should be used exclusively to refer to people from the USA.
Baguetten
19-07-2006, 18:48
Check again, the supercontinent is called the AMERICAS (plural) not America (Singular)
thus North and South America may be sub continents but they are still counted seperately.

Again, the landmass/continent is usually referred to as "America." "The Americas" has a differing aspect than "America."

and there is no other nation in either of the AMERICAS that has the name America in it.

So? The USA should simply have picked a better name.

thus Citizens of the USA can be called Americans if they wish and whomever forces a label on someone who does not want that label is wrong.

They can call themselves whatever they want. We don't have to call them what they call themselves, and I choose not to. That's the whole point. You don't call Swedes "Svenskar," and I don't call USians "Americans." Unless I am referring to them as inhabitants of the continent, of course.
Wingarde
19-07-2006, 18:50
Check again, the supercontinent is called the AMERICAS (plural) not America (Singular)
thus North and South America may be sub continents but they are still counted seperately.

and there is no other nation in either of the AMERICAS that has the name America in it. thus Citizens of the USA can be called Americans if they wish and whomever forces a label on someone who does not want that label is wrong.
Funny enough, the term "Americas" is mostly used in the United States. I've yet to hear/read about it in other places.
Refused Party Program
19-07-2006, 18:50
Or call a manc a scouser.


http://crinfo.beyondintractability.org/images/aha/Anger.jpg
Free Soviets
19-07-2006, 18:51
They can call themselves whatever they want. We don't have to call them what they call themselves, and I choose not to. That's the whole point. You don't call Swedes "Svenskar," and I don't call USians "Americans." Unless I am referring to them as inhabitants of the continent, of course.

shit, we USians go around making up entirely new names for other people's countries. we aren't even fucking close on lots of them.
Zilam
19-07-2006, 18:52
I propose calling anyone from Europe, "EURinals" ;)
Daistallia 2104
19-07-2006, 18:53
Well, I'd think I'd know....

I live here.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/ - "The Geograph British Isles project aims to collect geographically representative photographs and information for every square kilometre of the UK and Eire, and you can be part of it."

Thats correct.

http://www.macs.hw.ac.uk/britishisles/ -"The term British Isles defines a purely geographic area - not, as is sometimes thought, a political area....
Applying the term British, or any of its variants, to citizens of the republic is both incorrect politically and politically incorrect"

Also correct.

http://www.phon.ox.ac.uk/IViE/ -"We are looking at so-called modern or mainstream dialects (Trudgill 1998) and we have recorded data from nine urban varieties of English spoken in the British Isles."

While correct, they are woefully unclear and quiet jumbled in their text.


The point is that one usually referes to someone from the UK as British and someone from the USA as American. The argument that American refers to someone from anywhere in the Americas is equally absurd as saying British refers to anyone from the British Isles. Thank you for helping to demonstrate this.
Refused Party Program
19-07-2006, 18:53
I propose calling anyone from Europe, "EURinals" ;)

Man, that is awesome.

"I'm a EURinal."

It works!
Tactical Grace
19-07-2006, 18:54
Locked for trolling. Not helpful.