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In much of the USA students can only have abstinence-only education. Is this wise?

I think not.

Discuss.

Most teens know what to do anyway, if you tell them something is wrong they'll just wanna do it. Might as well tell them how to prevent having horrible diseases like AIDs or children.

In much of the USA students can only have abstinence-only education. Is this wise?

I think not.

Discuss.

No, and its a violation of the 1st amendment....

Kids are having sex, which is natural and nothing wrong with it. We need comprehsive sex education so that kids can have good sex. The foremost authority on these health issues, Planned Parenthood, strongly support comprehensive sex education. Kids have a RIGHT to plan whether they want to be parents.

If Republicans actually cared about kids, they would fund not only fund comprehensive sex education and provide access to abortion for teens, but provide support to young mothers with any financial help they need. If you polled kids versus parents, kids want comprehensive sex education and parents want "absteinence-only" education. In this case, since it is the kids' education, we are BOUND BY THE UN DECLARATION OF CHILDRENS RIGHTS. This means it's the KIDS that get to decide, and they want comprehensive sex education.

Many "traditional" familes might argue that they have a right to raise their kids. HOWEVER, most parents are still racist and many believe in God (which is ok, but CANNOT BE USED IN EDUCATION ENGEL V. VITALE), and as the 9th Circuit and mainstream Democrats beleive, as I STRONGLY do, it is up to the government to educate children so that society is improved each generation, and more and more policies that promote progress are enacted.

This will lead to the advancement of society in the long run!! :p :) ;)

I for one think that abstinence-only education is stupid, because by high school a lot of people have already had sex, and not telling people about condoms and other things will just lead to experimentation, which is what the fundies DON'T want... I think they should just respect that it is a choice.

Abstinence only ed is farm-grade bullshit.

I for one think that abstinence-only education is stupid, because by high school a lot of people have already had sex, and not telling people about condoms and other things will just lead to experimentation, which is what the fundies DON'T want... I think they should just respect that it is a choice.

Dark nova, you are absolutely right. I think nowadays if you haven't had sex by 12 or 13 you are a weirdo. Therefore we need comprehensive sex education so kids can have sex without worrying about anything bad like babies or diseases.

It is absolutely a choice and it's not more right or wrong either whether you want to have sex or not.

Dark nova, you are absolutely right. I think nowadays if you haven't had sex by 12 or 13 you are a weirdo. Therefore we need comprehensive sex education so kids can have sex without worrying about anything bad like babies or diseases.

It is absolutely a choice and it's not more right or wrong either whether you want to have sex or not.
I suppose I'm a weirdo then. *sigh*

When I was in Jr. High/HS, we discussed all of the options available. The only thing I recall about abstinence was a mention that it was the only 100% effective method of preventing pregnancy/STI. Other than that, nothing; I don't think we discussed masturbation, but I guess if you're in 9th grade and haven't learned how to flog your log I don't think it's going to be picked up in the classroom (no pun intended).

Dark nova, you are absolutely right. I think nowadays if you haven't had sex by 12 or 13 you are a weirdo. Therefore we need comprehensive sex education so kids can have sex without worrying about anything bad like babies or diseases.

It is absolutely a choice and it's not more right or wrong either whether you want to have sex or not.
Hell in the good ol days if you weren’t married or working on marriage you were weird

And I am betting the average is higher then 12 or 13

And I am betting the average is higher then 12 or 13

Well, it depends on whether you mean the real figures or the lies. Some people are so insecure about their sexuality I wouldn't be surprised if they claimed to have sex for the first time while still in diapers...

I suppose I'm a weirdo then. *sigh*
Free Sheep, don't feel bad, I didnt mean to attack you.

I'm mostly mad at Republicans, fundies, and, to be honest, my own parents, and their stupid morality.

I'm glad that in the real world there are organizations that want to help kids have fun and get around their parents. For example, Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro Choice America, both major Democratic supporters, fight to make sure that parental notification laws for teens having an abortion is not made law.

I'm against teaching abstinence; it isn't as effective as teaching safe sex and discourages something that need not be discouraged.

Abstinance-only "education" is a national disgrace, &c.

Well, it depends on whether you mean the real figures or the lies. Some people are so insecure about their sexuality I wouldn't be surprised if they claimed to have sex for the first time while still in diapers...
True that

Hell I will admit I was about 21 before I did (intercourse at least)

Back a couple of years ago I had to type an Abstinence paper for my health class and then have both my parents sign it

It's pretty stupid to fight human nature. Telling people not to have sex is like telling lions not to kill and eat stuff.

Well, it depends on whether you mean the real figures or the lies. Some people are so insecure about their sexuality I wouldn't be surprised if they claimed to have sex for the first time while still in diapers...
Word. (Do people even still say that?)

I go to a high school whose policy is to teach sex education from an abstinence-only perspective. I wish I still had some of the literature from my health class, because it's propaganda that would make Goebbels proud. On a typical test dealing with "healthy behaviors", about a third of the questions would deal with sexual contact, with the correct answer almost always being some variation of the sentence, "The only 100% effective way to avoid pregnancy/STDs is abstinence." It was ridiculous and definitely insulted my intelligence (not exactly sure how my classmates felt about that, though...they probably didn't notice it).

I live in a pretty conservative area, which is the reason we have an abstinence-only health program, and I can tell you that it does nothing to prevent STDs or teen pregnancy, in particular with the Christian conservative kids. At all. Actually teaching about safe ways to have sex only makes sense; it's a proven fact that human beings, for lack of a better way to put it, fuck. That's what we do. Once we're old enough, we can't stop doing it. We have to. Fucking is life, let's face it. It's our animal instinct. So why not try and teach our younglings, who are just experiencing that urge, how to do it in the safest way possible?

I'm against teaching abstinence; it isn't as effective as teaching safe sex and discourages something that need not be discouraged.
Teaching abstinence is not the issue ... neglecting a proper education in favor of keeping them ignorant about parts of something so important is disgusting

Free Sheep, don't feel bad, I didnt mean to attack you.

I'm mostly mad at Republicans, fundies, and, to be honest, my own parents, and their stupid morality.

I'm glad that in the real world there are organizations that want to help kids have fun and get around their parents. For example, Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro Choice America, both major Democratic supporters, fight to make sure that parental notification laws for teens having an abortion is not made law.
First time I've been called Free sheep. ;) I know you didn't, I personally think that abortion is killing, but don't think I have the right to impose that on anyone else.

Back a couple of years ago I had to type an Abstinence paper for my health class and then have both my parents sign it
You poor thing. :( (This isn't sarcasm)

Teaching abstinence is not the issue

By "abstinence" I meant "abstinence-only" - that's why I contrasted it with teaching safe sex.

... neglecting a proper education in favor of keeping them ignorant about parts of something so important is disgusting

Yes, it is. It is absurd puritanism and results in needless harm.

By "abstinence" I meant "abstinence-only" - that's why I contrasted it with teaching safe sex.



Yes, it is. It is absurd puritanism and results in needless harm.
Cool I was not sure that’s what you meant we get a lot of people that come into these threads where we are disusing abstinence only and are like “WUT u don’t want to teach kids something that can keep them safe!!!11!!”

Sorry did not mean to pick on you

abstinence only doesn't work at all.

abstinence in conjunction with safer sex practices, on the other hand...

You poor thing. :( (This isn't sarcasm)

it was so stupid
I mean forcing Sophmores to write mandatory abstinence pledges. That isn't gonna make any difference in an young person's life.

it was so stupid
I mean forcing Sophmores to write mandatory abstinence pledges. That isn't gonna make any difference in an young person's life.
You have to want to do it, keeping a promise you were forced to make is stupid.

It's a pretty stupid idea. They should just be told everything.. May aswell be honest with them.

You have to want to do it, keeping a promise you were forced to make is stupid.

I know, plus I know a couple of guys who almost refused to sign it, until they got heat from the teacher

I know, plus I know a couple of guys who almost refused to sign it, until they got heat from the teacher
They should of refused, if they try that shit with me I will. Fight the power! :mad:

Abstinence-only is bullshit.

It has been proven as such by every serious statistical and scientific studies done on teenage behaviour, teenage pregnancy, and teenage STD rate of infection.

Dogma has nothing to do in classrooms, except maybe the religion class.

First time I've been called Free sheep. ;) I know you didn't, I personally think that abortion is killing, but don't think I have the right to impose that on anyone else.

You are a Christian that I like, Free Sheep. :)

While I think Christianity is a fairy tale and that the government needs to provide true facts to all students, EVEN IF THEIR PARENTS OPPOSE, the truth is that you, unlike most Christians, don't use your Christianity to try to make policies. :confused:

I am okay with Christians so long as they don't actually believe outside of church and don't try to convert people. Besides, I can't wait for one day for the ACLU to finally win a Supreme Court case preventing conversions under the First Amendment, then we just have to wait for the Christians to die out. THEN FINALLY WE WILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE FUN!!! :D ;) :fluffle: :fluffle:

Worked fine for me. My sister wasn't, however, and now she has an STD because of her whorish lifestyle. Can I see a correlation?

Worked fine for me. My sister wasn't, however, and now she has an STD because of her whorish lifestyle. Can I see a correlation?

Mark, you have no right to call ANY WOMAN a whore, that's sexist and judgmental. (KEEP YOUR MORALITY TO YOURSELF FIRST AMENDMENT) Would you call a guy a "whore"?

But I do agree with you that George W. Bush, through his abstinence-only policies, caused your sister to get an STD.

When are Americans going to wake up?

I am okay with Christians so long as they don't actually believe outside of church and don't try to convert people. Besides, I can't wait for one day for the ACLU to finally win a Supreme Court case preventing conversions under the First Amendment, then we just have to wait for the Christians to die out. THEN FINALLY WE WILL HAVE SO MUCH MORE FUN!!! :D ;) :fluffle: :fluffle:
:eek: :headbang: :eek: You... just... GAH! That is quite possibly THE most offensive thing I've ever read. I... I need coffee or sugar or something.:mad: *storms off*

I failed abstinence class. My lab partner was DesignatedMarksman's sister.

I failed abstinence class. My lab partner was DesignatedMarksman's sister.
I can sleep soundly tonight due to your impressive humor. Thanks.

:eek: :headbang: :eek: You... just... GAH! That is quite possibly THE most offensive thing I've ever read. I... I need coffee or sugar or something.:mad: *storms off*

Free Sheep, I'm so sorry. I really like you, you are a good Christian. :(

I don't mean Christians should be killed or anything, but I can't wait until they are gone. Our society won't progress until people stoping using God to make decisions. The Supreme Court ruled in 1992 that the Constitution says:

At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.

Most Democrats share my view on this. :( Many won't admit it, but if you want to move to a postChristian world, like Europe, we need Jon Tester in the Senate. (The funny part with Jon Tester is he is so progressive, but he is going to fool "conservative" Montana! LOL)

Mark, you have no right to call ANY WOMAN a whore, that's sexist and judgmental. (KEEP YOUR MORALITY TO YOURSELF FIRST AMENDMENT) Would you call a guy a "whore"?

But I do agree with you that George W. Bush, through his abstinence-only policies, caused your sister to get an STD.

When are Americans going to wake up?

Negative, they DIDN'T teach abstinence at the HS she went to. AFAIK, she's slept with...somewhere around 10 guys. And I know because they all IM me on AIM and tell me "I screwed your sister".

The first amendment allows me to call whoever I want a whore, but they actually gotta be one for it to be right I guess. Calling a nun a harlot is..just wrong, while calling the playboy mansion the whore house would be correct.

I failed abstinence class. My lab partner was DesignatedMarksman's sister.

I never had abstinence class, we DID cover it in Bi101 and physiology.

Negative, they DIDN'T teach abstinence at the HS she went to. AFAIK, she's slept with...somewhere around 10 guys. And I know because they all IM me on AIM and tell me "I screwed your sister".

The first amendment allows me to call whoever I want a whore, but they actually gotta be one for it to be right I guess. Calling a nun a harlot is..just wrong, while calling the playboy mansion the whore house would be correct.

Are you saying comprehensive sex education caused it? That would make no sense, Planned Parenthood's statistics show a major decrease. Most people would agree that since the 1960's America has been a much better place, and that's when comprehensive sex education really started to rise up.

Free Sheep, I'm so sorry. I really like you, you are a good Christian. :(

I don't mean Christians should be killed or anything, but I can't wait until they are gone. Our society won't progress until people stoping using God to make decisions. The Supreme Court ruled in 1992 that the Constitution says:

At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.
I'll agree that some christians are trying to force others to their beliefs, and that's wrong, but I am okay with Christians so long as they don't actually believe outside of church was just uncalled for. And any limit of free speach is so dispicible IMHO so as to make it evil. We can try to convert people and you can try to un-convert them. That's the balence. That's the order. We don't mess with the order. The next step after your plan would be to actively try and wipe us out. Revelation. The end times. The very idea just. *shudders*:(

I'll agree that some christians are trying to force others to their beliefs, and that's wrong, but was just uncalled for. And any limit of free speach is so dispicible IMHO so as to make it evil. We can try to convert people and you can try to un-convert them. That's the balence. That's the order. We don't mess with the order. The next step after your plan would be to actively try and wipe us out. Revelation. The end times. The very idea just. *shudders*:(

No there wouldnt be end times because thats just a fairy tale. :(

I don't want you to have end times, I'm just hoping your kids don't believe in God. Young people already hate the idea of God so much, more than any generation in recent times, I'm hoping this continues.

We not need any imaginary God trying to stop us from having fun!

That's the heart of liberty. Thank Common Ancestor for the Indepdent Judiciary. Stop George Bush from pushing Antonin Scalia clones by electing Jon Tester, progressive Senator from Montana!!!

Free Sheep, I'm so sorry. I really like you, you are a good Christian. :(

I don't mean Christians should be killed or anything, but I can't wait until they are gone. Our society won't progress until people stoping using God to make decisions. The Supreme Court ruled in 1992 that the Constitution says:

At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.

Most Democrats share my view on this. :( Many won't admit it, but if you want to move to a postChristian world, like Europe, we need Jon Tester in the Senate. (The funny part with Jon Tester is he is so progressive, but he is going to fool "conservative" Montana! LOL)

Ahh yes we can promote and endorse "alternative" lifestyles but be DAMNED if those horrible Christians share their message with the world!

*shakes fist*

Silly Christians! Causing so much pain and suffering in the world!

Ahh yes we can promote and endorse "alternative" lifestyles but be DAMNED if those horrible Christians share their message with the world!

*shakes fist*

Silly Christians! Causing so much pain and suffering in the world!

Mark, I thought you were progressive.

Are you Republican/Fundamentalist?

Are you saying comprehensive sex education caused it? That would make no sense, Planned Parenthood's statistics show a major decrease. Most people would agree that since the 1960's America has been a much better place, and that's when comprehensive sex education really started to rise up.


Umm...yeah....

Seems to me like we are hearing a lot of sex crimes going on in schools. More than you and I would care to admit.

What is causing it? :confused:

Umm...yeah....

Seems to me like we are hearing a lot of sex crimes going on in schools. More than you and I would care to admit.

What is causing it? :confused:

Republicans/Fundamentalists....

Kids aren't taught about sex, so they end up not knowing what to do in a sex crime.

I don't want you to have end times, I'm just hoping your kids don't believe in God. Young people already hate the idea of God so much, more than any generation in recent times, I'm hoping this continues.
I suppose that's your right. Do you feel the same way about the other religions?

Does anyone here actually have a public High School or even a public Middle School Sex Education Curriculum to show us that is an "abstinence only" course in it's entirety?

I would like to see proof that these courses exists as you guys seem to think they exist. The courses I've seen that call themselves abstinence only course DO teach birth control methodology while they push abstinence and how to avoid succumbing to pressure to have sex prematurely.

I suggest that this discussion is perhaps a witch hunt.

I suppose that's your right. Do you feel the same way about the other religions?

I'm supportive of Islam because the US has to be tolerant of people. I feel that because the US hasn't really encouraged and embraced Islam, that's why they hate us in the Middle East. I would support the government doing somethings to show we are tolerant. For example, the Islamic Call to Prayer can be broadcast in major cities (or any cities that want it).

I'm ok with Buddhism and Hinduism because they do not try to affect the political process in any particular way.

I'm very supportive of Judaism because Judaism is very progressive and understands that you can't use God on non-believers. Plus, the Jewish people are supposed to lead the rest of humanity to a more moral way of living, and I support that strongly. We need to bring about a new economic order based on collective cooperation. Plus, did you know that you can be an atheist and still be Jewish? This is because, unlike Christianity, since the Philadelphia Declaration, Judaism has evolved beyond believing the Bible and trusts in true facts that are in science.

Christianity is a major threat, and here's why: First, my parents beleive it and I seen what it has done to them. They are afraid to ever do anything bad to another person, even when the person ous it. For example, they won't steal from Wal*Mart. :( Also, Christianity pushes a "work ethic" which is destructive to many famililes. Sometimes, the government should support people, like single moms. Single moms shouldnt have to worry about going out to work, they shoudl take care of their kids. I feel that christianity doesn't let people have fun. Christianity discourages sex, and other types of fun.

So, I believe that all religion is a fairy tale, but you can see some are better than others.

See, this is why Christians are paranoid. You support just about everyone but us. It's enough to make me wanna write in to Fox news. *Shakes head*:(

Most teens know what to do anyway, if you tell them something is wrong they'll just wanna do it. Might as well tell them how to prevent having horrible diseases like AIDs or children.
Yesh, children are a disease! ROFL!

Yesh, children are a disease! ROFL!
They are literally parasites. :)

Instead of abstinence classes, we should have have abstinence glasses. They would be like reverse beer goggles.

They are literally parasites. :)
Only if you have 2. 3 would be triplasites ;)

I for one think that abstinence-only education is stupid, because by high school a lot of people have already had sex, and not telling people about condoms and other things will just lead to experimentation, which is what the fundies DON'T want... I think they should just respect that it is a choice.

Quite right, by the time their old enough to have sex most (though, sadly, not all) "kids" know what it is. They also know that many people do not wish them to have sex (something which encourages many to HAVE SEX in the first place). As such, denying that they have said knowledge is, to be blunt, complete idiocy. It only encourages them to "rebel" at this age, and to do the opposite of what they are told.

Fire Abstinence

Person 1: Don't use fire.

Person 2: But I'm cold.

Person 1: Don't use fire.

Person 2: I'm burning!!

Person 1: Told you not to use fire.

Person 2: I'm dying in a horrible fiery death.

Or we could teach people how to use fire safely. How to treat burns. How to put fires out that have gone out of control.

But what if a person was just playing with fire? They didn't need it for warmth!

They could still use the knowledge they learned to treat fire safely.

-Smokey The Bear

How the hell do you teach abstinance?! Is our tax money being wasted for some teacher to say

"*point to dick* see this Timmy? It's your weewee, don't stick it in anything! Especialy that of a woman's vagina or an asshole! Any questions?" *Raises hand*

"Can I stick it in someone's mouth?"
"Absolutely not! That's oral sex!" *Raises hand*
"How about I just get my girlfriend to give me a handjob?"
"NoNoNo! That's sex too!" *Raises hand*
"So like.. how DO we have sex without having sex?"
"You don't - _ -"
"Oh... this sucks..."
"I knew I should've taken home-mech.."

And no on teaching them about sex neither. Children already know about sex and you know what? That's why they have parents. Stop wasting my money on your retarded endevures. God!:mad:

Fire Abstinence

Person 1: Don't use fire.

Person 2: But I'm cold.

Person 1: Don't use fire.

Person 2: I'm burning!!

Person 1: Told you not to use fire.

Person 2: I'm dying in a horrible fiery death.

Or we could teach people how to use fire safely. How to treat burns. How to put fires out that have gone out of control.

But what if a person was just playing with fire? They didn't need it for warmth!

They could still use the knowledge they learned to treat fire safely.

-Smokey The Bear

You win this thread.

In much of the USA students can only have abstinence-only education. Is this wise?

I think not.

Discuss.

It's only equal-opportunity equal-representation if they also offer courses in Promiscous Affairs and Sexual Techniques.

No, and its a violation of the 1st amendment....

Kids are having sex, which is natural and nothing wrong with it. We need comprehsive sex education so that kids can have good sex. The foremost authority on these health issues, Planned Parenthood, strongly support comprehensive sex education. Kids have a RIGHT to plan whether they want to be parents.

If Republicans actually cared about kids, they would fund not only fund comprehensive sex education and provide access to abortion for teens, but provide support to young mothers with any financial help they need. If you polled kids versus parents, kids want comprehensive sex education and parents want "absteinence-only" education. In this case, since it is the kids' education, we are BOUND BY THE UN DECLARATION OF CHILDRENS RIGHTS. This means it's the KIDS that get to decide, and they want comprehensive sex education.

Many "traditional" familes might argue that they have a right to raise their kids. HOWEVER, most parents are still racist and many believe in God (which is ok, but CANNOT BE USED IN EDUCATION ENGEL V. VITALE), and as the 9th Circuit and mainstream Democrats beleive, as I STRONGLY do, it is up to the government to educate children so that society is improved each generation, and more and more policies that promote progress are enacted.

This will lead to the advancement of society in the long run!! :p :) ;)

I fail to see any connection between an abstinence-only education and the First Amendment. Maybe you need to reread your Constitution...? The rest of your argument makes about as much sense as the first sentence (except for a few brief moments of clarity). Suddenly we are to let kids decide what ithey think is best for themselves, because the UN said so? Nevermind that they are still living under our roof, eating the food we paid for, and going to a school funded by the government, which, gee, is funded by the taxpayers--not the kids. There is nothing wrong with abstinence. It is the most effective way to prevent STDs. It is the most effective way to avoid getting pregnant in the first place. The government is in no way obligated to provide for the termination of a child when two teenagers decided to go and mess around. If you do it, you have to understand that there are risks and consequences. Its part of responsibility and, therefore, maturity.

abstinence religious class would be far better if they taught how to have great man on man lovin, just a suggestion.

Fire Abstinence

Person 1: Don't use fire.

Person 2: But I'm cold.

Person 1: Don't use fire.

Person 2: I'm burning!!

Person 1: Told you not to use fire.

Person 2: I'm dying in a horrible fiery death.

Or we could teach people how to use fire safely. How to treat burns. How to put fires out that have gone out of control.

But what if a person was just playing with fire? They didn't need it for warmth!

They could still use the knowledge they learned to treat fire safely.

-Smokey The Bear


Greatest statement against Abstinence Only education I've ever seen :D

If they're not taught they'll go and find out on their own anyway, and THAT's not wise.

Educate them on the risks and responsibilities and they're more likely to make a safer well informed choice.

Dark nova, you are absolutely right. I think nowadays if you haven't had sex by 12 or 13 you are a weirdo. Therefore we need comprehensive sex education so kids can have sex without worrying about anything bad like babies or diseases.

It is absolutely a choice and it's not more right or wrong either whether you want to have sex or not.

i guess I'm weird, and I guess my g/f of 4 years is weird too. O well

my mom always tried to preach absitence but then again she was pregnant in highschool so I guess she had a good reason

Lets be honest though, the people who are going to have safe sex are going to have safe sex either way. The ones who get pregnant don't care either way about safe sex. My city is top 5 for unwed teen pregnancy rates (I don't remember which for sure ,I'm kinda drunk)

i guess I'm weird, and I guess my g/f of 4 years is weird too. O well

my mom always tried to preach absitence but then again she was pregnant in highschool so I guess she had a good reason

Lets be honest though, the people who are going to have safe sex are going to have safe sex either way. The ones who get pregnant don't care either way about safe sex. My city is top 5 for unwed teen pregnancy rates (I don't remember which for sure ,I'm kinda drunk)

How will they have safe sex if they don't know what is safe and what is not?

Does anyone here actually have a public High School or even a public Middle School Sex Education Curriculum to show us that is an "abstinence only" course in it's entirety?

I would like to see proof that these courses exists as you guys seem to think they exist. The courses I've seen that call themselves abstinence only course DO teach birth control methodology while they push abstinence and how to avoid succumbing to pressure to have sex prematurely.

I suggest that this discussion is perhaps a witch hunt.

/me went to Catholic highschool. it was absitence only :p

How will they have safe sex if they don't know what is safe and what is not?

to assume that kids dont' know what condoms are b/c they didn't learn about it in highschool is silly

to assume that kids dont' know what condoms are b/c they didn't learn about it in highschool is silly

I actually kind of agree with this.

Parents should teach their kids about this just as much as school should.

to assume that kids dont' know what condoms are b/c they didn't learn about it in highschool is silly
You overestimate the human population.

/me went to Catholic highschool. it was absitence only :p

Now, that's something I'll never understand about schools in the US.

I went to a Catholic girls only school back home in Germany, and we got safe sex education from age 10 to when we left the school. It was repeated every year, just to make sure we had got the message.

In much of the USA students can only have abstinence-only education. Is this wise?

I think not.

Discuss.


Better than what we have in Ireland. I'm only out of secondary school three years and there was no mention of sex at all. We had the whole period talk when we were 12, the don't drink talk when we were 17(bit late at that age thou) but absolutely no talks of prevention, abstinence or anything.

to assume that kids dont' know what condoms are b/c they didn't learn about it in highschool is silly

To know what a condom is and to know what it protects against are two very different things.

Better than what we have in Ireland. I'm only out of secondary school three years and there was no mention of sex at all. We had the whole period talk when we were 12, the don't drink talk when we were 17(bit late at that age thou) but absolutely no talks of prevention, abstinence or anything.

That would explain about all those 13-14 y/o mothers I keep seeing around here. I had been wondering about that...

You overestimate the human population.

i base my opionions on what I know and to assume that teens in Milwaukee, or really any urban city dont' know about sex b/c their school didn't discuss it....well....kids grow up faster every year. . .

To know what a condom is and to know what it protects against are two very different things.

are you trying to say if your school didn't explain a condom full to you, then you woudln't know anything about it???

To know what a condom is and to know what it protects against are two very different things.
condoms make the Pope cry.

i base my opionions on what I know and to assume that teens in Milwaukee, or really any urban city dont' know about sex b/c their school didn't discuss it....well....kids grow up faster every year. . .
Maybe I just go to school with idiots...

condoms make the Pope cry.

As if that dried-up prune had any moisture to spare...

i base my opionions on what I know and to assume that teens in Milwaukee, or really any urban city dont' know about sex b/c their school didn't discuss it....well....kids grow up faster every year. . .
Ok, but there is a difference between knowing about sex, and how to have sex, and knowing about safe sex, and how it can effect you in the long run if you're not responsible.

Yes teens know you get pregnant if you're not careful, but what about everything else?

are you trying to say if your school didn't explain a condom full to you, then you woudln't know anything about it???

I would know what it is, I would know how to use it, I would probably have heard that it protects against pregnancy. But then, so does the pill.

Would I know that it protects against STDs? And against what STDs, precisely? Hard to say now.

But I definitely wouldn't have known about all this when I was 10 if it hadn't been for school. It wouldn't have been hammered into my head by the time I first had sex. I may not have said "no" if there were no condoms at hand.

I would know what it is, I would know how to use it, I would probably have heard that it protects against pregnancy. But then, so does the pill.

Would I know that it protects against STDs? And against what STDs, precisely? Hard to say now.

then you clearly live either a sheltered life or a life outside of an urban center

then you clearly live either a sheltered life or a life outside of an urban center

Right. So in your town, every 10 year old knows precisely how to use a condom, without being told at school? And they also know why they have to use a condom?

Gee, you must have pretty smart kids around there. :rolleyes:

Ok, but there is a difference between knowing about sex, and how to have sex, and knowing about safe sex, and how it can effect you in the long run if you're not responsible.

Yes teens know you get pregnant if you're not careful, but what about everything else?

Alot of schools have a parenting skills kind of class in which they give you a doll that cries and you have to turn a key in its back for X amount of time before it stops. Then, the teacher can figure out how long the baby cried before you stopped it, and thats your grade.

Right. So in your town, every 10 year old knows precisely how to use a condom, without being told at school? And they also know why they have to use a condom?

Gee, you must have pretty smart kids around there. :rolleyes:

On the contrary, we have a bunch of kids who see everyone around them get pregnant and they dont' care. I wont' say why cuz I'll get flamed but remember 'urban center'

Alot of schools have a parenting skills kind of class in which they give you a doll that cries and you have to turn a key in its back for X amount of time before it stops. Then, the teacher can figure out how long the baby cried before you stopped it, and thats your grade.

Yep. That'll explain all about how to try and pay the bills, and work two jobs to feed the kid... and it sure is comprehensive about AIDS, isn't it?

On the contrary, we have a bunch of kids who see everyone around them get pregnant and they dont' care. I wont' say why cuz I'll get flamed but remember 'urban center'

And you honestly think an abstinence only education is going to help this situation???

Yep. That'll explain all about how to try and pay the bills, and work two jobs to feed the kid... and it sure is comprehensive about AIDS, isn't it?

if the kids are sluts is a class about safe sex going to change things

And you honestly think an abstinence only education is going to help this situation???


no, abstience only is dumb. I don't know what woiuld fix things but its not abstience only

no, abstience only is dumb. I don't know what woiuld fix things but its not abstience only

Well, we got safe sex literally hammered into our heads from a rather early age on, with annual repeats. I'm not from an urban center, but a medium-sized town in Germany, and teenage preganacy really wasn't much of a problem.
Don't just teach the kids, brainwash them. NEVER without a condom...

Well, we got safe sex literally hammered into our heads from a rather early age on, with annual repeats. I'm not from an urban center, but a medium-sized town in Germany, and teenage preganacy really wasn't much of a problem.
Don't just teach the kids, brainwash them. NEVER without a condom...

why does it always have to be a condom? I don't use the damn things, my girlfriend is ont he pill, we're each other's first and only's. we're fine

why does it always have to be a condom? I don't use the damn things, my girlfriend is ont he pill, we're each other's first and only's. we're fine

Right... so everyone will only ever have sex with their firsts. And nobody ever forgets the pill.

Right... so everyone will only ever have sex with their firsts. And nobody ever forgets the pill.

maybe if people weren't so obsessed with conquering girl after girl it wouldn't be a problem

maybe if people weren't so obsessed with conquering girl after girl it wouldn't be a problem
and maybe if fairies existed...

maybe if people weren't so obsessed with conquering girl after girl it wouldn't be a problem

Maybe if people didn't have sex there wouldn't be a problem, either.

Fact is, we're talking about people. They will have sex. And they will not stay with one partner all their lives, no matter if they cange them weekly or every decade. You can't change that. But you can teach them about the consequences of irresponsible sexual behaviour, and on the options they have to behave more responsibly. And you can try to make sure that the message sticks.

After that it's still up to them to heed those lessons.

Maybe if people didn't have sex there wouldn't be a problem, either.

Fact is, we're talking about people. They will have sex. And they will not stay with one partner all their lives, no matter if they cange them weekly or every decade. You can't change that. But you can teach them about the consequences of irresponsible sexual behaviour, and on the options they have to behave more responsibly. And you can try to make sure that the message sticks.

After that it's still up to them to heed those lessons.
Or you can kill them all. Equal oppertunity genocide just has a ring to it...

why does it always have to be a condom? I don't use the damn things, my girlfriend is ont he pill, we're each other's first and only's. we're fineBecause unlike the pill, condoms also protect from STDs.

And people can have herpes from birth and never know.

well lets either outlaw sex or just laugh at the people who fucked themselves up :p

well lets either outlaw sex or just laugh at the people who fucked themselves up :p
The last one is more spiteful, so I vote for it.

The last one is more spiteful, so I vote for it.
:)

Supporters and promoters of abstinence-only miseducation ought to be spayed/neutered. Come on society, we can fix this problem if we try.

Teaching safe sex as abstinence only is like having a self-defense class where all they teach you is to run away.

I am not cool with absitnence only education, it's stupid. ;)

I think abstinence should be covered in sex ed, but shouldn't be the whole darn class. They should cover everything, factually, and without leaving out details.

I get so tired of people saying "well, if I wear a condom then I don't have any risk for pregnancy or STD's so it's safe sex"

It's NOT safe sex, it's much much safer sex, but it's not 100%, when I used to work at the crisis pregnancy center, I can't count how many teens I saw who said "I didn't think you could get pregnant with a condom" it was just as sad to me as the ones who said "but I thought if he pulled out we would be okay"

If you want kids to make a proper choice, a responsible choice, you have to give them all the facts, unbiased facts. Let them know the actual real risk and let them decide, hiding information, or smoothing over details is NOT going to work.

In much of the USA students can only have abstinence-only education. Is this wise?

I think not.

Discuss.
I had something of the sort at my private Catholic high school ... it was ... umm .. well, whatever ... WEWT ABSTINENCE! Jesus > Sex!

How would you even teach abstinence?

CHAPTER ONE: DON'T HAVE SEX.

Summary: In this chapter, you will learn how to not have sex.

Do you know what sex is? Then don't have it. Don't know what it is? Then you have nothing to worry about. Go play outside.

CHAPTER REVIEW
1. Should you have sex?

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
1. What is the best way to not have sex?

THE END

How would you even teach abstinence?

CHAPTER ONE: DON'T HAVE SEX.

Summary: In this chapter, you will learn how to not have sex.

Do you know what sex is? Then don't have it. Don't know what it is? Then you have nothing to worry about. Go play outside.

CHAPTER REVIEW
1. Should you have sex?

DISCUSSION QUESTIONS
1. What is the best way to not have sex?

THE END

That would take about the same amount of time to teach as ID.

I think abortion is wrong unless the mother's life is in danger or rape. but because this spirtual I can't force you to agree.
On the same token of teaching more than one idea why should recycling be the only option? Why no "safe littering".

if at the ages they give these sex ed classes you are actually getting something from it. then maybe you should get out more, actually talk to a classmate or two

they don't need to have abstinence-only classes.

they need to have sex-ed.

and make birth control more easy to get ahold of for those under 18.

minors are going to have sex. you can't stop them.

might as well make it so they don't get horribly infected by STDs and kids.

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they need to have sex-ed.
Waste of tax money, doesn't stop people from having sex. So what's the point?

and make birth control more easy to get ahold of for those under 18.
Birth control and condoms are accessible enough, inorder to make them more accessible we'd have to lower thier prices, which would make us socialist.

minors are going to have sex. you can't stop them.
Sure I can, it's your type of attitude that got us where we are. If my daughter or son had sex I'd just get a machete out and chop off thier dingo. Hard to have sex if you don't have anything to have sex with.. Have a problem with it? Moveout. But while you live under my roof, you'll abide by my rules..

might as well make it so they don't get horribly infected by STDs and kids.
STDs is the only real social justice left, and it's just not fast enough.. And children are not a burden, they're a gift. That is till they get about your age when they think they're entitled to something for nothing.

I don't think your parents smacked you around enough, or else you wouldn't think the way you do..

to assume that kids dont' know what condoms are b/c they didn't learn about it in highschool is silly
It's not just that. What if the condom breaks it's good to have a back up. Different back ups have different effectiveness and there are side effects that vary. There are some myths I've heard about effective shit if you don't have a condom. Education can disprove these.

Parents should teach their kids about this just as much as school should.
Should but don't. So, the school takes responsibility when the parents fail (idealisticly)

The goverment is taking away power from the parent's on purpose. This isn't parental incompetance. Parents are working thier asses off to support a bunchof ungrateful hellspawns..

The goverment takes advantage, and raises the children how they want, to be slaves to the state. A Brave New World, read it, it's happening.

The goverment is taking away power from the parent's on purpose.

Because The FSM forbid theb education system actually educate.

This isn't parental incompetance. Parents are working thier asses off to support a bunchof ungrateful hellspawns..

My parents have never talked to me about sex. Never. That is incompetance.

The goverment is taking away power from the parent's on purpose. This isn't parental incompetance. Parents are working thier asses off to support a bunchof ungrateful hellspawns..

The goverment takes advantage, and raises the children how they want, to be slaves to the state. A Brave New World, read it, it's happening.
Teaching a kid how to put a condom on their weenie is not a Brave New World.

The goverment is taking away power from the parent's on purpose. This isn't parental incompetance. Parents are working thier asses off to support a bunchof ungrateful hellspawns..

The goverment takes advantage, and raises the children how they want, to be slaves to the state. A Brave New World, read it, it's happening.


Its a conspiracy, oh the humanity. :rolleyes: