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A lot of great tunes were written during the Civil War era. There were many on the North and South like Dixie, Hymn of the Old Republic (which borrowed the tune from another Union song by the name "John Brown's Body"), the Naval Hymn, and Bonnie Blue FLag. There were many others besides those listed.

Which is your favorite?

Probably "Dixie". Ironically, however, that song was written by a Northerner about a decade before the war to describe the fact that circuses spent their winters performing in the South...I remember reading something to that effect in an issue of America's Civil War a few months ago.

"The Battle Hymn of the Republic." None of the others come close.

Probably "Dixie". Ironically, however, that song was written by a Northerner about a decade before the war to describe the fact that circuses spent their winters performing in the South...I remember reading something to that effect in an issue of America's Civil War a few months ago.
Wow. I never would've guessed that. How funny that the South would embrase that song.

I have to say that "Bonnie Blue Flag" Has a great tune, but the lyrics are jsut horrible. "We're fighting for the property we earned by honest toil.":eek:

"The Battle Hymn of the Republic." None of the others come close.

Battle Hymn of the Republican violates the Seperation of Church and State, so you can't pick that one. :(

Sorry, I wish we could allow it but the Constitution blocks it. I realize it might have been used at the time, but the people were stupid then, nowadays it can't be taught in public schools because of the 1st amendment.

Good Old Rebel

I hates the Yankee nation and everything they do,
I hates the Declaration of Independence, too,
I hates the "Glorious Union", 'tis dripping with our blood,
I hates their striped banner, I fought it all I could.

What is not to like?

You can still use the tune of the Battle Hymn as the tune was originally written for the Civil War march "John Brown's Body."

Good Old Rebel



What is not to like?
I never heard that one before. The lyrics are bad, but I still say "Bonnie Blue Flag" is worse.

A lot of great tunes were written during the Civil War era. There were many on the North and South like Dixie, Hymn of the Old Republic (which borrowed the tune from another Union song by the name "John Brown's Body"), the Naval Hymn, and Bonnie Blue FLag. There were many others besides those listed.

Which is your favorite?

The Battle Cry of Freedom.

The 1863 version of "Michigan, My Michigan" of course. *PDF WARNING!* (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/hal_mhc_mhm_mich-my-mich-song_53148_7.pdf)

It's by far the best version of my state's unofficial song. The 1903 version was made because the 1863 version was "inappropriate" in peacetime.

Battle Hymn of the Republican violates the Seperation of Church and State, so you can't pick that one. :(

Sorry, I wish we could allow it but the Constitution blocks it. I realize it might have been used at the time, but the people were stupid then, nowadays it can't be taught in public schools because of the 1st amendment.

I don't buy this act of yours, I haven't for a long time. You are (quite obviously, at least to me) a right-winger faking left-wing politics in order to convey the impression that there are actually people as deluded as you pretend to be, and that the public education system is what makes them think that way.

Go and bother people who will take you seriously; I won't.

Battle Hymn of the Republican violates the Seperation of Church and State, so you can't pick that one. :(

Sorry, I wish we could allow it but the Constitution blocks it. I realize it might have been used at the time, but the people were stupid then, nowadays it can't be taught in public schools because of the 1st amendment.

Oh bullpucky. Also I would like to see a source about it not being taught in classrooms anymore.

The 1863 version of "Michigan, My Michigan" of course. *PDF WARNING!* (http://www.michigan.gov/documents/hal_mhc_mhm_mich-my-mich-song_53148_7.pdf)

It's by far the best version of my state's unofficial song. The 1903 version was made because the 1863 version was "inappropriate" in peacetime.
I miss living in Michigan, but the state's song should be "Hail to the Victors." I'm at Purdue and I loudly sung it during a basketball game at Mackey Arena. Even at Purdue, I still root for Meechigan.

I liked a lot of the fife tunes from "Gettysburg," the Sid Meier simulation game. Aside from "Dixieland," I don't know the names of them though.

Maybe someone who played (still plays?) that game knows 'em.

In any case, we need an update to Gettysburg that uses all of the glorious new graphics tehnology that the modern computers have come up with. In fact, something like that might actually even convince me to buy a modern computer! :p

I miss living in Michigan, but the state's song should be "Hail to the Victors." I'm at Purdue and I loudly sung it during a basketball game at Mackey Arena. Even at Purdue, I still root for Meechigan.

It's sad how many of our state's young people have had to move to Chicago. Hopefully, eventually the economic situation will improve so that won't have to happen. Still, Chicago is a great town.

"The Battle Hymn of the Republic." None of the others come close.

Amen. I have part of that memorized.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord;
He is pressing out the grapes of wrath *blank*

other verse-

Jesus Died to make men holy;
Let us die to make men free
Our god goes marching on...

;)

Amen. I have part of that memorized.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord;
He is pressing out the grapes of wrath *blank*

other verse-

Jesus Died to make men holy;
Let us die to make men free
Our god goes marching on...

;)

From memory, so there are probably errors:

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He has leased the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword
Our God is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watchfires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read his righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
Our God is marching on.

I have read His fiery gospel writ in burnish'd rows of steel
As ye shall with my (can't remember, started with a c) so with you my grace shall deal
Let the hero born of women crush the serpent with his heel
Our God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before his judgment seat
Oh, be swift my soul to answer Him, be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

In the land across the lillies Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me
As He died to make men holy let us die to make men free
Our God is marching on.

All of which goes to show just how much I like the song.

It's sad how many of our state's young people have had to move to Chicago. Hopefully, eventually the economic situation will improve so that won't have to happen. Still, Chicago is a great town.
We didn't move for economic reasons. My Dad's job has him working out of a home office. We moved to be closer to family.

Battle Hymn of the Republican violates the Seperation of Church and State, so you can't pick that one. :(

Sorry, I wish we could allow it but the Constitution blocks it. I realize it might have been used at the time, but the people were stupid then, nowadays it can't be taught in public schools because of the 1st amendment.

I went to an Army Artillery graduation and the Chaplain PRAYED over the graduating class.

OH NOES!11!! TEH HORROR! I'll bet mother earth was shook to her very core by the inhumanity of it! The founding Fathers would be shocked to learn that the Army STILL prays over it's recruits just at the FF prayed in their meetings.

I went to an Army Artillery graduation and the Chaplain PRAYED over the graduating class.

OH NOES!11!! TEH HORROR! I'll bet mother earth was shook to her very core by the inhumanity of it! The founding Fathers would be shocked to learn that the Army STILL prays over it's recruits just at the FF prayed in their meetings.

Ok, I caught you, you are FUNDAMENTALIST!!

The Supreme Court will OVERTURN your little Racist song. I don't want it taught in History. I have a right to not believe in your morality!

Ok, I caught you, you are FUNDAMENTALIST!!

The Supreme Court will OVERTURN your little Racist song. I don't want it taught in History. I have a right to not believe in your morality!

I fail to see how the Supreme court can overturn a song.

Yes, I beleive in the fundamentals of Christianity.

From memory, so there are probably errors:

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored
He has leased the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword
Our God is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watchfires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read his righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
Our God is marching on.

I have read His fiery gospel writ in burnish'd rows of steel
As ye shall with my (can't remember, started with a c) so with you my grace shall deal
Let the hero born of women crush the serpent with his heel
Our God is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before his judgment seat
Oh, be swift my soul to answer Him, be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

In the land across the lillies Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me
As He died to make men holy let us die to make men free
Our God is marching on.

All of which goes to show just how much I like the song.

*Sheds a tear*


I love that song. Whenever it comes on the radio I roll down my windows...and...play it loud. I know, I'm violating the seperation of religion/open air doctrine.

I love that song. Whenever it comes on the radio

It comes on the radio? What stations are you listening to?

It comes on the radio? What stations are you listening to?

Here in Tejas in the DFW Area, sometimes on 94.9 Christian KLTY, maybe maybe maybe on 89.7 Power FM (Christian Rock station, I love it) and often on 88.3 The Word (Christian Preaching station, good to listen to when sad/depressed. Always uplifting).

*Sheds a tear*


I love that song. Whenever it comes on the radio I roll down my windows...and...play it loud. I know, I'm violating the seperation of religion/open air doctrine.

If I hear that song, I will file a lawsuit.

First, people might think that it's ok for the government to have religion, AND IT'S NOT. Since the Founding it wasn't allowed, how that song go through the cracks is beyond me. Abe Lincoln was probably a fundamentalist.

We need to get God out of the public square. God is oppressive to woman, African_Americans, homosexuals, non-Chrsitians. :( It makes me scared that I won't be able to leave the house if Christianity gets stronger. Look at how things have changed since Goerge Bush became president. For example, I have to obsess over contraception because if a pregnancy happens, I'm not sure abortion will be available.

Here in Tejas in the DFW Area, sometimes on 94.9 Christian KLTY, maybe maybe maybe on 89.7 Power FM (Christian Rock station, I love it) and often on 88.3 The Word (Christian Preaching station, good to listen to when sad/depressed. Always uplifting).

Ok, that makes sense. I know there's a Christian station here, but I have no idea what it is. Now that I think about it I don't really know any of the stations here. I always listen to CD's in the car and Internet radio when I'm home.

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If I hear that song, I will file a lawsuit.

First, people might think that it's ok for the government to have religion, AND IT'S NOT. Since the Founding it wasn't allowed, how that song go through the cracks is beyond me. Abe Lincoln was probably a fundamentalist.

We need to get God out of the public square. God is oppressive to woman, African_Americans, homosexuals, non-Chrsitians. :( It makes me scared that I won't be able to leave the house if Christianity gets stronger. Look at how things have changed since Goerge Bush became president. For example, I have to obsess over contraception because if a pregnancy happens, I'm not sure abortion will be available.

I think there are more pressing issues you need to worry about than Christianity, namely sanity.

And when the chaplain prayed, there wasn't a head that wasn't bowed.

Look above, I hosted it for you, that way you can go ahead and go into fits over God being in the public life.

Ok, that makes sense. I know there's a Christian station here, but I have no idea what it is. Now that I think about it I don't really know any of the stations here. I always listen to CD's in the car and Internet radio when I'm home.

www.christianrock.net is AWESOME to listen to from home. I have a sweet system here in my crib that's tied to speakers across the house via wireless network. I can even play it outside if I put the speakers out.

WWW.CHRISTIANHARDROCK.NET Good stuff too-I'm a BIG fan of Demonhunter, stavesacre, etc.

www.christianrap.net Kj52. Needs no explanation. He's converted countless people on his tours across the US.

And when the chaplain prayed, there wasn't a head that wasn't bowed.

To be honest, I'm willing to bet a number of people only bowed their heads to be polite. That's the only reason I ever bowed my head during the benedictions when I was active. There's also the ingrained private's instict of "the nail that sticks out gets hammered".

Don't think for a minute that an overwhelming majority of the military is religious. A simple majority like 60% possibly, but not much higher, if at all.

edit: I appreciate the effort of linking to those Christian music sites, but I'm not religious. I'll just continue to listen to my French radio stations :p

"The Battle Hymn of the Republic." None of the others come close.
I concur!

To be honest, I'm willing to bet a number of people only bowed their heads to be polite. That's the only reason I ever bowed my head during the benedictions when I was active. There's also the ingrained private's instict of "the nail that sticks out gets hammered".

Don't think for a minute that an overwhelming majority of the military is religious. A simple majority like 60% possibly, but not much higher, if at all.

I'm not saying 100% of those recruits were born again Christians, it's that even the dirtiest mouth PFC would bow his head out of respect.

And of course, then there is the thought that the guy is praying for your safety and wellbeing. That's a thought

I'm not saying 100% of those recruits were born again Christians, it's that even the dirtiest mouth PFC would bow his head out of respect.

And of course, then there is the thought that the guy is praying for your safety and wellbeing. That's a thought

Everyone, religious or not respects the chaplain. He's got one of the harder jobs in the unit, and if the unit's in a combat zone he's the only guy without a weapon. Not my idea of a fun time.

And yes, although I'm not religious I did appreciate the fact that the chaplain cared enough about everyone's wellbeing to pray for us. I'm generally quite cynical about such things, as I'd normally assume he was doing it because it was his job. However, every chaplain I had the good fortune to talk with was an honestly compassionate and caring person, regardless of your religious affiliation. Our chaplain when I was in Iraq was a Catholic, but he was just as welcoming and compassionate to the Protestants in the unit, and even the pair of Muslims we had. A very good man.

edit: And one thing I really liked about our chaplain was that he didn't prosetylize. He would counsel people, but if they weren't Christian he wouldn't push Christianity on them.

If I hear that song, I will file a lawsuit.

If you hear it where? If its on a radio station, you have no case at all. Im sure you would be alot more offended by the things that "actual" Christian radio stations play, not that you have any right to tell them they cant.

Since the Founding it wasn't allowed, how that song got through the cracks is beyond me.

It didnt "slip through the cracks", it was nationally (though, mainly northern:D ) recognized, along with thousands of other quotes, documents, and songs. Just because the founders didnt believe in theocracy doest mean they pretended not to have a religion, or pretended anyone else didnt.

Abe Lincoln was probably a fundamentalist.

Quotes like these make me sorry I never sigged the time you said something like "North Korea is a positive example of what every country could be with a progressive movement"

Back on Topic

Best Lyrics: Battle Hymn of The Republic
Best Tune: Bonnie Blue flag -This song pratically doesnt need lyrics when played right, its almost as if the notes themselves express a ressurected hope.

Of special note: Those that enjoyed the civil war PBS series. The famous sad violin(sp?) tune is called "Ashokan Farewell".

I think there are more pressing issues you need to worry about than Christianity, namely sanity.

And when the chaplain prayed, there wasn't a head that wasn't bowed.

Look above, I hosted it for you, that way you can go ahead and go into fits over God being in the public life.

On top of that, they pray when Congress goes into session for the day as well as say the Pledge of Allegience with "under God". :)

Yes, we'll rally round the flag, boys, we'll rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom,
We will rally from the hillside, we'll gather from the plain,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

We are springing to the call of our brothers gone before,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!
And we'll fill our vacant ranks with a million free men more,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

We will welcome to our numbers the loyal, true and brave,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!
And although they may be poor, not a man shall be a slave,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

So we're springing to the call from the East and from the West,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!
And we'll hurl the rebel crew from the land we love best,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

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On top of that, they pray when Congress goes into session for the day as well as say the Pledge of Allegience with "under God". :)

OH TEH HORR0RS111!!!!

:eek:

:p

God....still in Congress, 225 years later....

Yes, we'll rally round the flag, boys, we'll rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom,
We will rally from the hillside, we'll gather from the plain,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

We are springing to the call of our brothers gone before,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!
And we'll fill our vacant ranks with a million free men more,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

We will welcome to our numbers the loyal, true and brave,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!
And although they may be poor, not a man shall be a slave,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

So we're springing to the call from the East and from the West,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!
And we'll hurl the rebel crew from the land we love best,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

The Union forever! Hurrah, boys, hurrah!
Down with the traitors, up with the stars;
While we rally round the flag, boys, rally once again,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/parton/2/bcry.html#


Tsk tsk, you yanks. :p

Tsk tsk, you yanks. :p

The tune was so popular that the South had their own version so there :p

If I hear that song, I will file a lawsuit.

First, people might think that it's ok for the government to have religion, AND IT'S NOT. Since the Founding it wasn't allowed, how that song go through the cracks is beyond me. Abe Lincoln was probably a fundamentalist.

We need to get God out of the public square. God is oppressive to woman, African_Americans, homosexuals, non-Chrsitians. :( It makes me scared that I won't be able to leave the house if Christianity gets stronger. Look at how things have changed since Goerge Bush became president. For example, I have to obsess over contraception because if a pregnancy happens, I'm not sure abortion will be available.
Are you for real (aka stupid)? Or are you a troll?

Amen. I have part of that memorized.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord;
He is pressing out the grapes of wrath *blank*

other verse-

Jesus Died to make men holy;
Let us die to make men free
Our god goes marching on...

;)


Erm...He is tramping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored

Erm...He is tramping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored

I know, I was qouting it from memory and it's been a while.


Are you for real (aka stupid)? Or are you a troll?


Stupid troll

The tune was so popular that the South had their own version so there :p

Yep. Better Reckanize!

Oh bullpucky. Also I would like to see a source about it not being taught in classrooms anymore.
I've done a vocal jazz version of it at a public school (12/8 ballad) and my current university (gospel shuffle). It's a versatile tune. And hey, guess what? Nobody complained at either place. I'm beginning to agree with Soheran. C & T is a Bill O-lie-ly fan masquerading as a rampaging lliberal in order to stir anti-liberal sentiment. Childish, but mildly clever.

If I hear that song, I will file a lawsuit.

First, people might think that it's ok for the government to have religion, AND IT'S NOT. Since the Founding it wasn't allowed, how that song go through the cracks is beyond me. Abe Lincoln was probably a fundamentalist.

We need to get God out of the public square. God is oppressive to woman, African_Americans, homosexuals, non-Chrsitians. :( It makes me scared that I won't be able to leave the house if Christianity gets stronger. Look at how things have changed since Goerge Bush became president. For example, I have to obsess over contraception because if a pregnancy happens, I'm not sure abortion will be available.
Awright, knock it off. I don't believe you for a second.

I tend to like the more somber Civil War pieces.

TWO BROTHERS:

Two brothers on their way
One wore blue and one wore grey
Two brothers on their way
One wore blue and one wore grey

One wore blue and one wore grey
As they marched along their way
The fife and drum began to play
All on a beautiful mornin'.

The mood that this simple lyric sets as it describes a tragic separation of families across battle lines never fails to move me.