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Alright, I have seen this discussed on other forums, and the "How many 5 year olds could you take" thread reminded me of it.

So I present to you...

8 Humans VS. 1 Adult Grizzly

RULES:
1. The Humans can not use any tools or weapons, this includes both those premade and fabricated on the spot.
2. The Humans can be customized to any shape and dimension that is possible biologically.
3. The Humans can have as much training as they want in anything they want to make the task easier.
4. As far as altering their enviornment goes, this is a bit of grey area. For example it can be debated whether or not they can dig a bit provided they do it with their own hands.
5. The combat withh occur in a typical forest.
6. The bear will be a tad more aggressive than a regular bear, just to make combat more likely.
7. Uh.. I am sure there are a lot more rules I could lay down... but I dont want this to be too narrow. The main rule is really that the humans cant use weapons or tools.


So, what do you guys think. I already have my opinion but I will reserve it for at least a little.

Edit: Also, if you think the people will win, how would they do it?

the Grizzly would tear them apart. What could the humans do besides kick it in the crotch a bunch of times and bludgeon it with their feeble fists? Who knows if kicking a bear in the crotch would even do anything?!

Alright, I have seen this discussed on other forums, and the "How many 5 year olds could you take" thread reminded me of it.

So I present to you...

8 Humans VS. 1 Adult Grizzly

RULES:
1. The Humans can not use any tools or weapons, this includes both those premade and fabricated on the spot.
2. The Humans can be customized to any shape and dimension that is possible biologically.
3. The Humans can have as much training as they want in anything they want to make the task easier.
4. As far as altering their enviornment goes, this is a bit of grey area. For example it can be debated whether or not they can dig a bit provided they do it with their own hands.
5. The combat withh occur in a typical forest.
6. The bear will be a tad more aggressive than a regular bear, just to make combat more likely.
7. Uh.. I am sure there are a lot more rules I could lay down... but I dont want this to be too narrow. The main rule is really that the humans cant use weapons or tools.


So, what do you guys think. I already have my opinion but I will reserve it for at least a little.

bear. Their hide is strong enough to protect their internal organs from kicks/punches and their neck too thick to be broken. I don't think a man, without some form of weapon, can do enough damage to a bear with his....erm....bare hands to harm it.

3. The Humans can have as much training as they want in anything they want to make the task easier.

I think with this point, the humans would win. If they could train hand-to-hand combat for as long as they wished they'd stand a good chance. Especially if they had ninja training.

Wait, wait, wait. What about eight Stephen Segals? or eight Chuck Norrises? Well with the beard and body hair, I think the bear would nurture the Chucks as its own. But either those or four of each would be able to take down a Grizzly, I'm thinking that's the only way.

Way to cheat. Humans don't survive by muscle, they survive by brains. We make tools, and then whup major ass with those tools.

Way to cheat. Humans don't survive by muscle, they survive by brains. We make tools, and then whup major ass with those tools.

Very very true, but that would be too easy. :p

I think with this point, the humans would win. If they could train hand-to-hand combat for as long as they wished they'd stand a good chance. Especially if they had ninja training.

How do you train to take down a 9 foot, 1000 pound animal?

I dont think a human being CAN be strong enough to hurt a damned bear.

Well, maybe 8 Governators in his prime.

Well, maybe 8 Governators in his prime.

do you have any idea how fast a pissed of grizzly bear can move?

Now, if we're talking Chuck Norris, you only need one of him, and he's already killed the bear by traveling back in time and killing its mother before it was born.

Bear would tear them apart, no question. This isn't even comparable to an adult vs. a swarm of 5 year olds. Other than poking the eyes out of the bear with sticks from the forest, what could the humans possibly do?

Bear wins.

Very very true, but that would be too easy. :p
It's easy enough for the bear. He's doing what he does best, crush heads with his paws. The people, on the other hand, are doing something people are just plain bad at.

It's easy enough for the bear. He's doing what he does best, crush heads with his paws. The people, on the other hand, are doing something people are just plain bad at.

Humans have always been great at thinking outside the box to overcome seemingly impossible challenges. I think this is just such a case.

Humans have always been great at thinking outside the box to overcome seemingly impossible challenges. I think this is just such a case.
Thinking outside the box usually means using tools.

Humans win, IF:

At least one of the humans has sense,
AND
That smart human isn't the first one attacked by the bear.

If the above conditions are satisfied, then it just takes one to remember that it doesn't take a stick to poke out (or severely injure) the bear's eyes, and jam his/her fingers or thumbs deep enough into the sockets to disable the bear.

Then, once the bear is disabled as outlined above, some good old animalistic biting (by the humans) until an artery is severed finishes the job. A leg artery would probably be the easiest for a human to bite down to. One person bites through, while the others hold the bear's head and limbs so it can't reach around and do anything about it. The pain going on in the bear's eyes would also prevent it from being very effective at stopping the attack.

If the humans have advance warning of the impending bear/human fight, they would have all this (or some other suitable strategy) planned in advance, making it much easier.

Thinking outside the box usually means using tools.

I cant help but feel like some guy who is going, "Neener neener, I know something you don't!" but I can seen plans that are pretty amazing that do not involve tools. I am just reluctant to state said plans so early in the thread, just so it can evolve more naturally. I still feel like a snob saying that though. :(

If one of the humans was a midget would it be against the rules to use him as a weapon?

If one of the humans was a midget would it be against the rules to use him as a weapon?

Hmm, I think you could use him as a weapon. As long as he was whole, however, no taking his bones and making weapons or the like.

Hmm, I think you could use him as a weapon. As long as he was whole, however, no taking his bones and making weapons or the like.
So you're saying no Gary Coleman.:mad: Thanks a lot. I always wanted to find a way to use him as a weapon.

So you're saying no Gary Coleman.:mad: Thanks a lot. I always wanted to find a way to use him as a weapon.

No, you can use Gary, or any midget for that matter. Just as long as you dont make any tools from his soon to be battered body.

No form of training could allow eight men to take a full grow, healthy, Grizzly. The muscle mass in a bear just defies that which is achievable by man. A solid blow from a gizzly is enough to kill a full grown man, not to mention biting :eek: . If its a a Polar bear or a Kodiak then 20 men probably wouldnt succeed in even wounding it. If its a black bear, just take its lunch money and laugh as it runs home crying.

:p Just dig a trench and put something that would collapse on top of it. Then leave a trail of food to the whole. Then somehow figure out a way to keep the bear in the trench. Maybe throw a beehive at them. :p

Let us make this a little more balanced, huh. The men can not do what they do best, so let us ban the bear from doing what it does best.

Rule: The bear can only attack the humans using tools that it has made.

Now the question is who will win under these circumstances?

Unfortunately it is still the bear as it will take longer for the bear to starve to death than it will for the humans.

:p Just dig a trench and put something that would collapse on top of it. Then leave a trail of food to the whole. Then somehow figure out a way to keep the bear in the trench. Maybe throw a beehive at them. :p

do you have any idea how fast a pissed of grizzly bear can move?

Now, if we're talking Chuck Norris, you only need one of him, and he's already killed the bear by traveling back in time and killing its mother before it was born.
fucking chuck norris is over fucking rated
give it a break
no one can kill a grizzly bear with no tools
even a gun can be lucky
my dad amost didnt take down a grizz with his 7mm rem mag rifel
the bear took 2 direct shots b4 going off in the bush and we dotn even know if it died
os some over rated washed up person like chuck norris wouldnt be able to do it

The first man attacks in a kamakaze charge, being killed in one blow, 6 of the rimaining men destract the bear while the last, a midget sneaks behind the bear and gourges out it's eyeballs with his fingers, the bear, now blind, will attempt to kill the midget who will drop to the ground and run. the remaining 4 men *assuming two more were killed while distracting the bear* Will simply distract the poor thing till it collapses of exhaustion, climbing trees to rest.:)

2. The Humans can be customized to any shape and dimension that is possible biologically.

It is biologically possible that Bruce Lee could have been born as Octuplets...therefore, I will take eight Bruce Lees.

We'll see who wins...I put my money on the humans. :)

How do you train to take down a 9 foot, 1000 pound animal?

I dont think a human being CAN be strong enough to hurt a damned bear.
No, even bears have weak points. A strong karate chop to the throat can crush the larynx, and a powerful enough toe kick or punch (pointed, of course) might even be able to crush the jugular vein or carotid artery. In either of those cases, the bear would eventually choke to death on its own blood.

Failing that, it is altogether possible to squash the bear's eyes so that it cannot see. Granted, it still has hearing and its powerful sense of smell, but eight people are enough to confuse it easily.

Bear, hands down.

I think with this point, the humans would win. If they could train hand-to-hand combat for as long as they wished they'd stand a good chance. Especially if they had ninja training.

Or they could just train in killing bears with your bare hands with seven others. Sounds like a good class to take!

fucking chuck norris is over fucking rated
give it a break
no one can kill a grizzly bear with no tools
even a gun can be lucky
my dad amost didnt take down a grizz with his 7mm rem mag rifel
the bear took 2 direct shots b4 going off in the bush and we dotn even know if it died
os some over rated washed up person like chuck norris wouldnt be able to do it

Fine, Chuck Norris, Jet Li, and Jack Bauer. That should pretty much cover all the bases. Oh, and Davy Crockett. He wrestled bears (or was that Boone? Ack, can't remember).

Humans win, if the humans are at peak physichal condition, they can incompacitate the bear by punching his eyes out leaving the bear blind and clumsly. They can then trip it and try to suffocate it or some shit.

There would be many casualties no doubt. But the humans would eventualy win.

Humans win, if the humans are at peak physichal condition, they can incompacitate the bear by punching his eyes out leaving the bear blind and clumsly. They can then trip it and try to suffocate it or some shit.

There would be many casualties no doubt. But the humans would eventualy win.
I am human, hear me roar, in numbers too big to ignore! (Specifically 8)

Let us make this a little more balanced, huh. The men can not do what they do best, so let us ban the bear from doing what it does best.

Rule: The bear can only attack the humans using tools that it has made.

Now the question is who will win under these circumstances?

Unfortunately it is still the bear as it will take longer for the bear to starve to death than it will for the humans.

Not if some of the humans eat the others.

Also, if the humans are well-versed in the physiology of bears, then I'd say they could win.

Fergi America']Humans win, IF:

At least one of the humans has sense,
AND
That smart human isn't the first one attacked by the bear.

If the above conditions are satisfied, then it just takes one to remember that it doesn't take a stick to poke out (or severely injure) the bear's eyes, and jam his/her fingers or thumbs deep enough into the sockets to disable the bear.

Then, once the bear is disabled as outlined above, some good old animalistic biting (by the humans) until an artery is severed finishes the job. A leg artery would probably be the easiest for a human to bite down to. One person bites through, while the others hold the bear's head and limbs so it can't reach around and do anything about it. The pain going on in the bear's eyes would also prevent it from being very effective at stopping the attack.

If the humans have advance warning of the impending bear/human fight, they would have all this (or some other suitable strategy) planned in advance, making it much easier.

You seriously underestimate a bear's other senses if you think that a blind bear is a helpless bear. For that matter a dead 1000 pound bear could merely fall over on you and crush/smother you.

No for eight men to beat a bear without tools or weapons requires more brain than bravery or brawn. I would try to beat the bear by outliving it with my longer average lifespan and superior cowardice. If I had to kill a bear without tools or weapons then I would use poison and bait.

On the California coast prior to the arrival of the Spanish explorers and missionaries the Indians had bows and arrows and blades. They also had an infestation of Grizzly bears. The bears were not much impressed. A lot more people were killed and eaten by grizzly bears than there were grizzly bears killed and eaten by people. This only changed after firearms arrived with the Spaniards.

Huzzah for the Bear!

Screw that, I'll have 8 Phantoms!

The Ghost who Walks, he'll totally own the bear. You only need one of him, and he doen't even have any superpowers.

A grizzly bear could break a lions neck with one swipe.

Just one.

Unarmed, without weapons, no amount of martial arts training is going to do shit.

Humans just dont have the kind of muscle to do a bear enough damage.

For all of you who are going on about "going for the bears eyes"....

Thats retarded.

1. The bear has more reach than you..it will kill you before you even get close enough to touch it.
2. The bear doesnt need its eyes to sense you, it can smell you before you get close enough to see it.
3. the bear could kill you just by accidently falling on you....let alone if it were actively trying to kill you.
4. Grizzlies rage.

Rage.

Grizzly bears are notorious for becoming enraged when hurt, or very angry.
Its said that a grizzly can keep fighting, even after it has sustained damage that will prove lethal.
Even IF 8 unarmed men COULD do enough damage to kill such a huge animal, the thing could go ape-shit, and into a killing frenzy.

Considering how effortlessly grizzles could kill a human...theres no competition.

However, give the men weapons....even sharp sticks, and thier odds of survival increase dramatically.

Rule: The bear can only attack the humans using tools that it has made.

That's brilliant! That had me laughing pretty damn hard.

Sorry I couldn't keep up with this last night, my internet went down for some reason.

I personally believe that the bear will win most of the time, however, I think the humans have a decent chance with this plan.

Human make up:
4 very strong people, about as strong as humans can be.
4 very fat people 600-700 pounds maybe more

Plan:
Step 1- Located a cliff in the forest, or a large climable tree
Step 2- Have the strong men assist each of the fat men to incredible heights in the tree one by one
Step 3- Once all fat men are safe up in the tree have one strong man attract the bear at the base of the tree/cliff.
Step 4- Once the bear comes up to the base of the tree and begins to maul the one strong man the fat men leap at short intervals from the tree on to the bear.

If all goes well the bear should die or be at least heavily damaged and a managable task for the remained three strong men.