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well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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Mmmmm...I would like to think that we're not at that stage...yet. But with Captain Cukoo in charge of the nation there's no telling...

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*fires his I.G.N.O.R.E. Cannon*

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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I'll never understand what drives people to put gun smilies in their first posts. I think it happens in at least 75% of first posts.

*fires his I.G.N.O.R.E. Cannon*
I belive those are for RPs

re in stateing

Most cleverest use of that word ever.

I'll never understand what drives people to put gun smilies in their first posts. I think it happens in at least 75% of first posts.
Oh, but he's done it right and even used both of'em. Only way to top that is to use the finger and gunge in addition to that.

And commit total political suicide for their congressional candidates? No way in hell.

I'll never understand what drives people to put gun smilies in their first posts. I think it happens in at least 75% of first posts.
Not in my first posts. I hate smilies with a passion, and I believe I've only ever put up the gun smilies two or three times, and that was probably to mock someone who used them in a smily siege.

Oh, but he's done it right and even used both of'em. Only way to top that is to use the finger and gunge in addition to that.

My question is why do they do it? Is it some sort of instinctual thing, or is it part of the forums rules that I missed?

My question is why do they do it? Is it some sort of instinctual thing, or is it part of the forums rules that I missed?
We need some scientist to find this out. It's important, dammit!

The gun smilies move. Many people may have never encountered moving smilies before.

The gun smilies move. Many people may have never encountered moving smilies before.

:fluffle:s move too :(

:fluffle:s move too :(

Yes, however the guns smilies are also non-yellow, another unusual factor.

The conjunction of moving and non-yellow smilies is, :upyours: :mp5: :sniper: :headbang: :gundge:, which should explain a lot.

Yes, however the guns smilies are also non-yellow, another unusual factor.

The conjunction of moving and non-yellow smilies is, :upyours: :mp5: :sniper: :headbang: :gundge:, which should explain a lot.

Mmm. This forum was my first encounter with non-yellow and moving smilies too, lol.

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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Why do you want the thoughts of ants... or am I missing something here?

The draft=Poo

There. I said it.

The draft=Poo There. I said it.

BANNED!

not gonna happen right now

Well, world, I think the USA might be reinstating the draft. Any thoughts?

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BANNED!
O Noes! I's banned!

O Noes! I's banned!

Srsly, ur banned.

Srsly, ur banned.
Prove it!

Prove it!
As everyone knows, chewbacca is from...

It's not happening. There just isn't any reason to bother with it right now. Maybe if we got into another WW, but not for the trivial conflicts in the Mid-East.

And commit total political suicide for their congressional candidates? No way in hell.

No need to worry about the draft, only because there is no need for major military action into the Middle Eastern countries. Also, wasnt there some Anti-Draft Law? Didnt we learn in 'Nam that unwilling soldiers make pretty bad ones? Besides, theres no way the public will allow any of the crap to happen again. All those hippies with thier protesting, would we really want to see that again? Political Suicide indeed, Andaluciae, I shake your hand.

No need to worry about the draft, only because there is no need for major military action into the Middle Eastern countries. Also, wasnt there some Anti-Draft Law? Didnt we learn in 'Nam that unwilling soldiers make pretty bad ones? Besides, theres no way the public will allow any of the crap to happen again. All those hippies with thier protesting, would we really want to see that again? Political Suicide indeed, Andaluciae, I shake your hand.
There isn't an anti-draft law, there just isn't a current draft. All males are required to register with the army at the age of 18, and maintain current information untill they are 35. And I wouldn't say it will never happen again...except this time, I would not be at all surprised to see girls required to register too.

AGNTSA.

C'mon, Bush won't start a draft. For one, we have too many sheeple. Two, 70% of the graduating (or flunking) HS class can't meet the requirements for enlistment. Three, you can't make wolves out of sheep.

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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Does the phrase "political suicide" ring a bell?

Not happening.

No; professional armies are more effective.

AGNTSA.

C'mon, Bush won't start a draft. For one, we have too many sheeple. Two, 70% of the graduating (or flunking) HS class can't meet the requirements for enlistment. Three, you can't make wolves out of sheep.


Exactly. the US wont reinstate the draft because people will not want go.

Exactly. the US wont reinstate the draft because people will not want go.

No, it's not that people won't go...look at WW2. People were drafted, people went, fought, and died. Most people nowadays are too pussified.

Exactly. the US wont reinstate the draft because people will not want go.
Actually it's more about people not meeting the requirements to get into the army. The army doesn't take retards any more. Sorry Forest.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20060310.jpg

I, for one, welcome our new draft-board overlords.

I, for one, welcome our new draft-board overlords.

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Actually it's more about people not meeting the requirements to get into the army. The army doesn't take retards any more. Sorry Forest.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT20060310.jpg

Only 30% of exiting HS seniors can pass the muster to go into the military.

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It's an old internet meme.

No need to worry about the draft, only because there is no need for major military action into the Middle Eastern countries. Also, wasnt there some Anti-Draft Law?
If you are male and over the age of 18 you have been assigned a number. This number is your Selective Service Number, and you will have a small paper card. It is currently used for identification and for those who desire a government job, they need one. But, the Selective Service Act is the mechanism by which the United States would conscript soldiers in the event of a national emergency or General War.

Didnt we learn in 'Nam that unwilling soldiers make pretty bad ones? Besides, theres no way the public will allow any of the crap to happen again. All those hippies with thier protesting, would we really want to see that again? Political Suicide indeed, Andaluciae, I shake your hand.
Quite.

It's an old internet meme.

I thought it was a reference to an episode of Futurama. But then, since I stopped watching TV while Futurama was still on it still seems "current" to me.

the US wont reinstate the draft because people will not want go.

Partly wrong. The people of the US don't want a draft for Iraq because it's a war of choice, and increasingly unpopular.

No, it's not that people won't go...look at WW2. People were drafted, people went, fought, and died. Most people nowadays are too pussified.

Nope. Physically unfit for service yes, but not too pussified. See above. WWII was seen as necessary. Iraq is not. If a necessary war came along, and the numbers were needed, the US people would step up to the plate.

Actually it's more about people not meeting the requirements to get into the army. The army doesn't take retards any more. Sorry Forest.

There was a thread on this a while back, discussing the Defense Department studies that found 75 percent of the 32 million people of prime recruiting age in the US are ineligible for military service, due to drug use, criminal history, lack of physical fitness, mental and physical health problems, etc.

I can't honestly believe that you would ask such a question. As many before have stated it would be political suicide of a kind unseen in American politics since Watergate, not even the George and Dick team is that stupid.

I thought it was a reference to an episode of Futurama. But then, since I stopped watching TV while Futurama was still on it still seems "current" to me.

'cording to Wiki it's The Simpsons. That said, Slashdot made it big (much like... basically every other internet meme.

'cording to Wiki it's The Simpsons. That said, Slashdot made it big (much like... basically every other internet meme.

Oh right, that's when Homer went up in the shuttle and broke the ant farm. Damn my terrible memory!

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts
Only if whatever politician made such a proposal were fond of political hari kari.

Actually it's more about people not meeting the requirements to get into the army. The army doesn't take retards any more. Sorry Forest.
Huh? Do I even know you??

Huh? Do I even know you??

I thought you two were like peas and carrots.

I thought you two were like peas and carrots.
Whatever.

Oh right, that's when Homer went up in the shuttle and broke the ant farm. Damn my terrible memory!

So THAT'S Where the Ant thoughts came from!

Huh? Do I even know you??

I assume he's refering to Gump, not Horn....

I assume he's refering to Gump, not Horn....
I wondered about that, but since I'm the only "Forrest" on here ... nevermind. :)

Partly wrong. The people of the US don't want a draft for Iraq because it's a war of choice, and increasingly unpopular.



Nope. Physically unfit for service yes, but not too pussified. See above. WWII was seen as necessary. Iraq is not. If a necessary war came along, and the numbers were needed, the US people would step up to the plate.



There was a thread on this a while back, discussing the Defense Department studies that found 75 percent of the 32 million people of prime recruiting age in the US are ineligible for military service, due to drug use, criminal history, lack of physical fitness, mental and physical health problems, etc.
25% of 32 million = 8 million people, surely that's enough anyway. If you don't want to get drafted? Steal a bucket of chicken while high!

Eh, it's all immaterial, reinstituting the draft in the modern U.S. would bepolitical suicide, we'll pull out of Iraq before a draft is started

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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Well world, I think that the USA is not going to be reinstating the draft. Course, I don't know what thoughts ants have on the situtation...:D

Yeah, the goverment must not care that much about the war or else they wouldn't be so damn picky about their soldiers.

Drugs; who cares?! They're probably going to die anyway. Least while thier drugged they can catch enemy troop's attention while the competant ones sneak around.

Physichal/Mental problems; That's a copout. Everyone can do something.

Criminal record; Well, they're use to infiltrating bases, (which is like breaking into homes) stealing important documents, (like your credit card) and slaughtering people. So wtf.. atleast make use of criminals if you're going to keep thier asses alive..

This whole thing is a big left-wing social conspiracy. Keep the criminals and the handicap people alive, expect the strong and talented to sacrifice themself. Madness..

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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Why do you think that? Was it something you read? A link would help everyone start this debate with at least some basic knowledge in common.

Your spelling is atrocious. At the risk of being called a grammar nazi, I think the article which starts a new thread is one of the times you should take a little extra effort.

Now, to the subject.
No. Not going to happen any time soon. Conscription creates a lower-quality army, who are more likely to be killed, and more likely to disobey orders (eg go on raping sprees.) Neither of those things is what the U.S. needs right now.

Most cleverest use of that word ever.

cleverest... good one :p

Why do you think that? Was it something you read? A link would help everyone start this debate with at least some basic knowledge in common.

Your spelling is atrocious. At the risk of being called a grammar nazi, I think the article which starts a new thread is one of the times you should take a little extra effort.

Now, to the subject.
No. Not going to happen any time soon. Conscription creates a lower-quality army, who are more likely to be killed, and more likely to disobey orders (eg go on raping sprees.) Neither of those things is what the U.S. needs right now.

I agree with the Nobel one.

People aren't going to fight for a country with any form of pride or passion and actually WIN if they've been forced to be there.

Could be an interesting illegal immigrant campaign though. Intercept them, tell them to fight for the country they want to live in and they get free entry :)

I have a feeling I might get slated for that one... meh

There isn't an anti-draft law, there just isn't a current draft. All males are required to register with the army at the age of 18, and maintain current information untill they are 35. And I wouldn't say it will never happen again...except this time, I would not be at all surprised to see girls required to register too.

I registered online at 18 and haven't done a thing about it since. If I got drafted I would go but at the same time I won't bother helping them find me ;)

Not that it matters, they don't send siblings into combat and my brother is already active...

As for girls in the draft, maybe in my lifetime, but not until the end. As the feminist movement gains strenght it becomes clearer and clearer that women in fact DO NOT want equality but instead superority... :)

I agree with the Nobel one.

People aren't going to fight for a country with any form of pride or passion and actually WIN if they've been forced to be there.

Could be an interesting illegal immigrant campaign though. Intercept them, tell them to fight for the country they want to live in and they get free entry :)

I have a feeling I might get slated for that one... meh


in the civil war, the irish brigade was one of the hardest fighting union units (alongside the iron briagde and the bucktails), and they were largely recruited on the docks of NY fresh off the boats

I can't honestly believe that you would ask such a question. As many before have stated it would be political suicide of a kind unseen in American politics since Watergate, not even the George and Dick team is that stupid.
Oh come on now... give them some credit ;)

They have to be good at something

I thought you two were like peas and carrots.
subtle, and you got 'whatevered'

need a hug?...It'll make the pain go away :D

in the civil war, the irish brigade was one of the hardest fighting union units (alongside the iron briagde and the bucktails), and they were largely recruited on the docks of NY fresh off the boats

Yes, because it provided a decent paying job and an opportunity to fight for the beliefs they considered important. Additionally, they came in legally--at least the vast majority--and they therefore had a vested interest in serving the Union.

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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Yes Glad I'm not American! No drafiting for me!

Yes Glad I'm not American! No drafiting for me!
any country can introduce the draft

subtle, and you got 'whatevered'

need a hug?...It'll make the pain go away :D

Thanks. :fluffle:


Pearls before swine.

Thanks. :fluffle:


Pearls before swine.

:fluffle:

any country can introduce the draft
They sure can, but when your country is nuetral (or supposed to be but really isn't) its unlikely. Of course the EU could bring one in, but again I think I'll be too old if it ever happens.

They sure can, but when your country is nuetral (or supposed to be but really isn't) its unlikely. Of course the EU could bring one in, but again I think I'll be too old if it ever happens.
I have to rebuttle for this :)

.. but never say never

:) I have to rebuttle for this :)

.. but never say never

:) I plan on being in government in a few years anyway! Politicans aren't drafted (are they:eek: )

:)

:) I plan on being in government in a few years anyway! Politicans aren't drafted (are they:eek: )
No but they're often shafted.....

any country can introduce the draft

in fact, many have a mandatory service period

Could be an interesting illegal immigrant campaign though. Intercept them, tell them to fight for the country they want to live in and they get free entry :)

I have a feeling I might get slated for that one... meh

You do realise that service in the US armed forces is, and has long been, one fairly popular route to US citizenship - primarily because service members get fast tracked, especially if they have served in combat.

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/MilitaryBrochurev7.htm
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/aacitizen1.htm

Yes Glad I'm not American! No drafiting for me!

Which country are you from?

any country can introduce the draft

Yes, indeed. However, the trend is moving away from conscription, for various reasons, except in a few special cases where it will most likely continue for historical and cultural reasons (German, Israel, Switzerland).

[quote=Isiseye]They sure can, but when your country is nuetral (or supposed to be but really isn't) its unlikely. Of course the EU could bring one in, but again I think I'll be too old if it ever happens.

Like, ummm, that classic Neutral, Switzerland?

Well world, I think that the USA is not going to be reinstating the draft. Course, I don't know what thoughts ants have on the situtation...:D
Maybe they could draft ants?
Hijack the Queens command frequency and take control of the ants.

Just think of the infiltration possibilities! And considering how much ants can carry relative to their weight, some selective breeding and genetic engineering should produce ants large enough to carry explosives for surgical strikes.

Hmm, and since the ant's body has three segments, you could even engineer them to be red, white and blue (exept the special forces of course).

well world i think the USA might be re in stateing the draft ant thoughts

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That's unpossible! :)



Honestly, without a link to back up your statement, I have no choice but to conclude that you're talking out of your posterior.

That's unpossible! :)

Honestly, without a link to back up your statement, I have no choice but to conclude that you're talking out of your posterior.


As has been pretty much every chicken little running around saying "teh draft is coming, teh draft is coming!!!!!!"

Maybe they could draft ants?
Hijack the Queens command frequency and take control of the ants.

Just think of the infiltration possibilities! And considering how much ants can carry relative to their weight, some selective breeding and genetic engineering should produce ants large enough to carry explosives for surgical strikes.

Hmm, and since the ant's body has three segments, you could even engineer them to be red, white and blue (exept the special forces of course).

Hey now, you just might be on to something! I mean, come on, the possibilities are endless! We could even do a little hush-hush scientific testing and create "Ant-killer Resistant Ants." Of course, there might be repurcussions in the domestic sector when houses on the home front are invaded by AKRAs designed specifically for search and destroy...

EDIT: I really do like the Red-White-blue idea. Made me chuckle. :D

Hey now, you just might be on to something! I mean, come on, the possibilities are endless! We could even do a little hush-hush scientific testing and create "Ant-killer Resistant Ants." Of course, there might be repurcussions in the domestic sector when houses on the home front are invaded by AKRAs designed specifically for search and destroy...
Hmm, true that.
Maybe if they are also engineered to be more intelligent so they can swear an oath not to harm americans?
On the other hand, making them more intelligent is a danger in itself.

Or, just use the Queen's frequency to control them so they don't wander into american homes.

What? We have draft on tap here? That's awesome!

What? We have draft on tap here? That's awesome!

:::draws a couple of beers, hands one over:::

Here ya go, Andy.

:::draws a couple of beers, hands one over:::

Here ya go, Andy.

NO!!! Don't tap the DRAFT! Use imported beers! From Cans!

You do realise that service in the US armed forces is, and has long been, one fairly popular route to US citizenship - primarily because service members get fast tracked, especially if they have served in combat.

http://www.uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/MilitaryBrochurev7.htm
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/aacitizen1.htm



Which country are you from?

[QUOTE=Mstreeted]any country can introduce the draft

Yes, indeed. However, the trend is moving away from conscription, for various reasons, except in a few special cases where it will most likely continue for historical and cultural reasons (German, Israel, Switzerland).



Like, ummm, that classic Neutral, Switzerland?

Of course I know that, I was being facicious

Dont you recognise a sense of humor when it bits you on the @ss?

*chomp*

NO!!! Don't tap the DRAFT! Use imported beers!

Here's a Dos Equis...

Here's a Dos Equis...

Whew, much better. I was afraid of a national crisis for a moment.

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Just out of curiousity, was the mistake on that sign intentional?

Just out of curiousity, was the mistake on that sign intentional?

LOL GOOD catch!

Of course I know that, I was being facicious

Dont you recognise a sense of humor when it bits you on the @ss?

*chomp*

On this forum, where people post ridiculous ideas in all seriousness and have to have the simpelest things explained to them repeatedly (which the often still don't get)? No, if you're going to try and be funny, give an indication.

:::draws a couple of beers, hands one over:::

Here ya go, Andy.
Yuuuuummmmmmm....sooooo gooooooooooood...

And if they only knew I was drinking at work :D

A draft is highly unlikely, unless a war erupted suddenly with North Korea and or Iran while we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan. So no need to worry just yet.

If it's allowed to happen, you people deserve it.

First of all A DRAFT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON.....


Secondly, we are all lucky, most countries, it is law that you have to serve in the military.

First of all A DRAFT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON.....


Secondly, we are all lucky, most countries, it is law that you have to serve in the military.
Thank god we don’t that would have completely fucked up my education. Much more productive as a citizen as is.

There's one representative who seems to introduce a bill each year that deals with instituting a draft or mandatory military service of some sort. He's done it pretty much every year since he was first elected eons ago. His name is Charlie Rangel (D-NY); one of the most liberal members of the House.

Here are links to his two latest tries:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:55:./temp/~bdm2mC::|/bss/d109query.html|

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d109:50:./temp/~bdm2mC::|/bss/d109query.html|

You will notice he only received one cosponsor - this was on the 2005 bill and the cosponsor was Fortney Pete Stark (D-CA).

I haven't seen any move by any republican or conservative to institute anything resembling a draft in the past several years.

If you want to know what's going on in the U.S. Congress, all you need is:

http://thomas.loc.gov/

A draft would be one of the three things that would cause me to leave the US immediately and renounce my citizenship.

A draft would be one of the three things that would cause me to leave the US immediately and renounce my citizenship.

I believe that there should be mandatory service at age 18 to age 22 in the US.

You all go to the same basic training, but at the end, you get to choose whether you want to do military service, or civilian service (building roads in national parks, feeding homeless, cleaning up bad neighborhoods, running a methadone clinic).

I would have a job for everyone, including the handicapped.

Why the hell is this still alive? It was a first post full of gun smilies. Just kill it.

I believe that there should be mandatory service at age 18 to age 22 in the US.

You all go to the same basic training, but at the end, you get to choose whether you want to do military service, or civilian service (building roads in national parks, feeding homeless, cleaning up bad neighborhoods, running a methadone clinic).

I would have a job for everyone, including the handicapped.
Personally I feel allowing students to further education would be more beneficial then wasting them for a few years.

Personally I feel allowing students to further education would be more beneficial then wasting them for a few years.

There are a lot of people I've met at university who are obviously not mature enough to go to school, let alone leave home.

They in particular need this sort of thing.

Ok, if you're actually bright in school, and can prove it (let's say by your first year college performance where you show an ability to not drink your way out of school), we'll defer you.

There are a lot of people I've met at university who are obviously not mature enough to go to school, let alone leave home.

They in particular need this sort of thing.

Ok, if you're actually bright in school, and can prove it (let's say by your first year college performance where you show an ability to not drink your way out of school), we'll defer you.
Well I walked away with two BS degrees and two masters in a hair under 6 years … I applied myself

In fact now I do government contract personal consulting because of my access to early schooling (I am 23 now)

My freshman performance was alright but not sterling (I can’t concentrate on homework) once I got into my major though I held a 3.9 in my major but a lower overall GPA.I am glad I had a year or two to get to the point that I loved

Why the hell is this still alive? It was a first post full of gun smilies. Just kill it.

Exactly.
Exactly, precisely. I was suckered too. I offered the OP grammar-nazi advice, then noticed they were gone already.
One post, and it led to this.

1. We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
2. It shouldn't be possible for a first post to be a thread starter. Shame on Jolt.
3. The thread starter is probably right here laughing at us. Shame on you, Free from.
4. Yep, I'm paranoid. It works sometimes -- enough for me.
5. Petitioning to kill the thread. Now.

I believe that there should be mandatory service at age 18 to age 22 in the US.

You all go to the same basic training, but at the end, you get to choose whether you want to do military service, or civilian service (building roads in national parks, feeding homeless, cleaning up bad neighborhoods, running a methadone clinic).

I would have a job for everyone, including the handicapped.

I cant help but totally agree. I dont think anyody should be exempt, no matter social position or disabilities. there are jobs that anyone could do. I would however make it 2 years for civilian work instead or 4 years of higher education after a year of training and service.. if you fail out of college or get below a certain GPA then back you go to civ service till your mature enough to do schooling and pay attention..

I think its a bad idea to have mandatory military service in our counrty,. First of all, our military has a good amount of highly trained troops in it, plus, if you join on your own, then you are going to be more motivated to fight.