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Good Music

Slaughterhouse five
18-07-2006, 06:27
is good music an art or is it a science.

if you were to study all the songs that made it big over the past few years. do you think you would maybe be able to find a common trait that makes the music good. a trait that maybe you could enter into any song and make it be loved by millions instantly?
Jello Biafra
18-07-2006, 06:29
is good music an art or is it a science.

if you were to study all the songs that made it big over the past few years. do you think you would maybe be able to find a common trait that makes the music good. a trait that maybe you could enter into any song and make it be loved by millions instantly?I would say that popular music has sort of a chain of common traits, but since it's so disposable it's impossible to say whether or not a particular pop song would be loved by millions instantly.
Anti-Social Darwinism
18-07-2006, 06:29
Good music is both art and science. You can't have good music without an understanding of how music works - music is sound and sound has a science.
But you can't have good music without the emotional input that informs art. The two are inseparable.
Posi
18-07-2006, 06:33
is good music an art or is it a science.

if you were to study all the songs that made it big over the past few years. do you think you would maybe be able to find a common trait that makes the music good. a trait that maybe you could enter into any song and make it be loved by millions instantly?
One group actually looked into that. They managed to map the songs to a 3D grid. I forgot how they did it, but most pop songs were clustered into big groups while lesser know bands tended to be at the outskirts of the blobs.
Boonytopia
18-07-2006, 10:02
is good music an art or is it a science.

if you were to study all the songs that made it big over the past few years. do you think you would maybe be able to find a common trait that makes the music good. a trait that maybe you could enter into any song and make it be loved by millions instantly?

You might be able to discover what makes it popular, but you shouldn't confuse it with good music.
Kinda Sensible people
18-07-2006, 10:09
One group actually looked into that. They managed to map the songs to a 3D grid. I forgot how they did it, but most pop songs were clustered into big groups while lesser know bands tended to be at the outskirts of the blobs.

I don't suppose you could point me to that, by any chance?

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To the OP:

Composition is art, preformance is science. Preformance is the subtle science of correct motions, proper discipline, and hours of practice. Composition is all about creating something new.

The problem is that composition has become a science, and we contine to produce the same music with new titles and different synonyms. Mainstream labels and popularity do that to music.
Dissonant Cognition
18-07-2006, 10:15
I don't suppose you could point me to that, by any chance?


http://research.sun.com/spotlight/2006/2006-06-28_search_inside_music.html (?)
Kinda Sensible people
18-07-2006, 10:22
http://research.sun.com/spotlight/2006/2006-06-28_search_inside_music.html (?)

Thanks.
Dryks Legacy
18-07-2006, 10:44
You might be able to discover what makes it popular, but you shouldn't confuse it with good music.

So very true.

I would say that the amount of art helps with how good it is, and how much science (especially behavioural science) would mainly influence popularity.
Mstreeted
18-07-2006, 11:01
is good music an art or is it a science.

if you were to study all the songs that made it big over the past few years. do you think you would maybe be able to find a common trait that makes the music good. a trait that maybe you could enter into any song and make it be loved by millions instantly?
both + perception

what you think is good music, I may not and vice versa
Not bad
18-07-2006, 11:19
http://research.sun.com/spotlight/2006/2006-06-28_search_inside_music.html (?)

I wonder how Bach's fugues or Beethovens sonatas or Symphonies might plot out in that 3D graph?
ScotchnSoda
18-07-2006, 12:21
popular music these days isn't popular because its good, its popular because celebrities get paid to say they like it.

Good music stands the test of time. Personally I'm not big into classical but there is no denying that Beetoven and Mozart where damn good composers. Closer to my time, what i consider 'oldies' (stones, tom petty, floyd etc) is music I think will always be around. Its simple and true and goes great with drugs :p