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I just saw this on CNN TV.. rigth after the theatrical Bush-Blair "open-mic" exchange.

this is an unconfirmed repport..
as my NEWS search engines cannot confim this.. so far..

So it does not carry the OcceanNEWS©2006 certification. ;)

so the ship wont be attacked, or just a way to get a large amount of people out faster?

That's not news. News would be the Greeks leasing an American ship to get Turkish citizens off of Cyprus.

Carnival Cruises probably doesn't go to the Eastern Med anymore.

I just saw this on CNN TV.. rigth after the theatrical Bush-Blair "open-mic" exchange.

this is an unconfirmed repport..
as my NEWS search engines cannot confim this.. so far..

So it does not carry the OcceanNEWS©2006 certification. ;)

Guess what? The story is accurate. We are. Not to mention a US Destroyer is also being used. Now if Hezbollah decides to attack, then Hezbollah would really get screwed over for we do not tolerate our people getting attacked.

Guess what? The story is accurate. We are. Not to mention a US Destroyer is also being used. Now if Hezbollah decides to attack, then Hezbollah would really get screwed over for we do not tolerate our people getting attacked.
Please. Put the sabre away. The US wouldn't do shit.

Please. Put the sabre away. The US wouldn't do shit.

There are a few marines who wouldn't mind going in and kicking some ass.

Please. Put the sabre away. The US wouldn't do shit.
I would hope that we'd at least fire a few cruise missiles (with w-80 warheads) at Lebanon if our people were attacked.

I would hope that we'd at least fire a few cruise missiles (with w-80 warheads) at Lebanon if our people were attacked.
How's about firing a few at Israel if your people get attacked?

How's about firing a few at Israel if your people get attacked?
Israel only once attacked a US ship. Since then we've become allies. They wouldn't attack one of our ships again. Lebanon's Hezbollah people, however, see us as enemies. If one of our ships gets hit it's going to be the Lebanese who hit it and I would hope we vaporize a few thousand Lebanese in retribution.

There are a few marines who wouldn't mind going in and kicking some ass.
If I recall the last time the Marines were in Lebanon.....

I would hope that we'd at least fire a few cruise missiles (with w-80 warheads) at Lebanon if our people were attacked

Why does this sentiment never extend to the killing of US citizens by the other side, may I ask? Accidental or no.

If one of our ships gets hit it's going to be the Lebanese who hit it and I would hope we vaporize a few thousand Lebanese in retribution.

Oh so, at worst case a dozen or so soldiers are worth a few thousand innocent civilians?

Carnival Cruises probably doesn't go to the Eastern Med anymore.
If you send a Carnival Cruise ship, you condemn the evacuees to death by fire. Seriously, what ship in their fleet hasn't caught fire?

Well we all know what happened to a ship with American flags on it last time it was in the region...

USS Liberty anyone?

Well we all know what happened to a ship with American flags on it last time it was in the region...

USS Liberty anyone?

And if Hezbollah wants to get uppity and attack it, they'll suffer more attacks and not just from Israel.

And if Hezbollah wants to get uppity and attack it, they'll suffer more attacks and not just from Israel.

Actually Israel attacked the Liberty. I was implying it may happen again.

Oh so, at worst case a dozen or so soldiers are worth a few thousand innocent civilians?
Yes.

Well we all know what happened to a ship with American flags on it last time it was in the region...

USS Liberty anyone?
More like USS Cole. The Liberty was 40 years ago and was a case of mistaken identity by pilots in a warzone.

The Israelis will allow the evacuation, but I bet Hezbollah will fire more C802 missiles. They struck an Egyptian freighter by accident a few days ago. I hope the US sends an Aegis to defend the passenger ships. Israel doesn't have the SAM system the USN does to protect the passenger ships when they move in.

If one of our ships gets hit it's going to be the Lebanese who hit it and I would hope we vaporize a few thousand Lebanese in retribution.
Even if you're vaporizing Lebanese civillians in retribution?

Actually Israel attacked the Liberty. I was implying it may happen again.

Israel wouldn't attack a neutral ship as this is a chartered GREEK ship. I do not think Israel wants to risk relations by attacking it. Nor do they want to risk relations by attacking the USS Gonzalez.

If they did that, then I myself would be forced to condemn Israel for that attack.

so the ship wont be attacked?I guess so.

More like USS Cole. The Liberty was 40 years ago and was a case of mistaken identity by pilots in a warzone.

The Israelis will allow the evacuation, but I bet Hezbollah will fire more C802 missiles. They struck an Egyptian freighter by accident a few days ago. I hope the US sends an Aegis to defend the passenger ships. Israel doesn't have the SAM system the USN does to protect the passenger ships when they move in.

The Destroyer Gonzalez is escorting the Greek Cruise ship.

More like USS Cole. The Liberty was 40 years ago and was a case of mistaken identity by pilots in a warzone.

Try again.
http://www.ussliberty.org/

Try again.
http://www.ussliberty.org/
The US Navy Board of Inquiry seems to disagree. I might remind you that the Navy board was unbiased as it was before the US and Israel were allied. They ddi'nt become allies until shortly before the Yom Kippur War in 1973. All you posted was a biased website.

Israel wouldn't attack a neutral ship as this is a chartered GREEK ship. I do not think Israel wants to risk relations by attacking it. Nor do they want to risk relations by attacking the USS Gonzalez.

If they did that, then I myself would be forced to condemn Israel for that attack.

No I was saying...ugh...NEVERMIND.

More like USS Cole. The Liberty was 40 years ago and was a case of mistaken identity by pilots in a warzone.
What makes you think such a mistake wouldn't happen again?

Would you still be baying for the blood of the perpetrators, or simply put up your hands, shrug your shoulders and say "It was an accident"?

Even if you're vaporizing Lebanese civillians in retribution?
What are you saying?

The US Navy Board of Inquiry seems to disagree.

http://ussliberty.org/helmstext.htm

I had no role in the board of inquiry that followed, or the board's finding that there could be no doubt that the Israeli's knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty. I have yet to understand why it was felt necessary to attack this ship or who ordered the attack

Strike two.

The Destroyer Gonzalez is escorting the Greek Cruise ship.
Good, she's a Burke Flight I. She has 90 mk-41 VLS cells for SM-2s and 2 20 mm CIWS Phalanx guns for defense. She should have no problem with the C-802s that Hezbollah is firing. I know they would love to try to bag a US Destroyer.

http://ussliberty.org/helmstext.htm



Strike two.
Try to find me a non-biased site. Your site is a BS website that is often linked on websites such as the Aryan Nation's website.

Try to find me a non-biased site. Your site is a BS website that is often linked on websites such as the Aryan Nation's website.

Thank god for ad hominem otherwise you wouldnt have been able to respond!

Just because Aryan sites link to it dont mean shit. Aryans would be glad to link to any site that goes against Israel. It doesnt mean the site is wrong.

The site I provided contains a plethora of links, including links to the United States Naval Institute. They can all provide evidence showing Israel knew what they were doing.

They can all provide evidence showing Israel knew what they were doing.

Now prove it.

Try to find me a non-biased site. Your site is a BS website that is often linked on websites such as the Aryan Nation's website.USSliberty.org is not a Nazi site.. and neither is the BBC.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/dead_in_the_water.shtml

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/john_hrankowski_interview.shtml

BBC: Why do you maintain that it was a deliberate attack rather than a case of mistaken identity?

John Hrankowski: Accidents usually happen for a few minutes. This lasted for two and half-hours and it's been covered up for 35 years. I can tell you from catching the shrapnel and fighting the fires that this was no accident. It was a well co-ordinated attack.

Try to find me a non-biased site. Your site is a BS website that is often linked on websites such as the Aryan Nation's website.
http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm
http://www.usni.org/proceedings/Articles03/PROwalsh06.htm

There's plenty on Wiki from all sides if you want to gander.

What are you saying?
That perhaps killing innocent civillians who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time isn't the best way to do things?

Now prove it.

Ive shown you the evidence. Saying "now prove it" is not a very good defense, try proving your own point. Or you could just try and discredit me by calling me anti-semitic. Take your pick.

That perhaps killing innocent civillians who happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time isn't the best way to do things?
Maybe not, but it would sure make me feel better.

Maybe not, but it would sure make me feel better.
Feel better?

"You need a war to make you feel better?

May I suggest.... sit ups?"
:D

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com/
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm
http://www.usni.org/proceedings/Articles03/PROwalsh06.htm

There's plenty on Wiki from all sides if you want to gander.

Thank you. I'll take a closer look at this :)

Oh so, at worst case a dozen or so soldiers are worth a few thousand innocent civilians?
Yes.
The mindset of the terrorists in Iraq, in a nutshell. :rolleyes:

I laugh when people say "we are so much better than them". :D

Feel better?

"You need a war to make you feel better?

May I suggest.... sit ups?"
:D
War is so much more entertaining.

Feel better?

"You need a war to make you feel better?
Crises of masculinity have been known to affect entire nations.

The mindset of the terrorists in Iraq, in a nutshell. :rolleyes:

I laugh when people say "we are so much better than them". :D
Well I'm not advocating killing my own civilians, only Lebanese civilians. That makes all the difference.

Maybe not, but it would sure make me feel better.
It wouldn't make the families of those civillians feel any better. It's also unlikely to make the families of the americans killed in the initial hypothetical attack feel any better.

Well I'm not advocating killing my own civilians, only Lebanese civilians. That makes all the difference.
No, it does not. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Actually, have a week off. Advocating murder is so totally against the rules.

It wouldn't make the families of those civillians feel any better. It's also unlikely to make the families of the americans killed in the initial hypothetical attack feel any better.
Who cares about all of them? It's all about me.

Maybe not, but it would sure make me feel better.try auto-sex.. it helps..

and in your case it could even save lives.. (if you were a member of the Military or something like that)

No, it does not. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Actually, have a week off. Advocating murder is so totally against the rules.
TG...I dont think this is advocating murder...atleast traditionally..what he said was no different than a cry for "If they attack an American ship..I hope we bomb Lebanon to teach them a lesson, that will make me feel better".

I honestly dont see the problem in saying that, and even if you disagree with it, it IS the mindset of a large majority of the American people.

Its also no different for what we do in retalition to 9/11. Its an official policy. Its not like he said I want the American military to go in and call the dune coons just to make me feel better.

....Its obvious you dont agree with him, nor me...but just listen to what I have to say.

Please. Put the sabre away. The US wouldn't do shit.
You're joking, right? There ar aproximately 25,000 US citizens in lebanon and they are going to be evacuating as many as want to leave and you think that if someone were to bomb the ship the US would do nothing? You're high. Put down the glue and step away from the bottle. ;)

....Its obvious you dont agree with him, nor me...but just listen to what I have to say.
I have. Your opinion does not change the policy, or its application. This is a pretty clear-cut rule violation.

I have. Your opinion does not change the policy, or its application. This is a pretty clear-cut rule violation.

ever stop to consider that it could be *gasp* sarcastic?

ever stop to consider that it could be *gasp* sarcastic?
There has been a ruling on that. Intended humour has no bearing on the treatment of the offence.

.. if someone were to bomb the ship the US would do nothing?US History<< Depend who bombs the ship.. If its Israel.. the US Gov will say "I am sure it was an accident"..

There has been a ruling on that. Intended humour has no bearing on the treatment of the offence.

And who made this ruling? You alone? I already know you don't know humor when it hits ya in the face but still, it was still sarcastic in nature and sarcasm should not be punished.

And who made this ruling? You alone? I already know you don't know humor when it hits ya in the face but still, it was still sarcastic in nature and sarcasm should not be punished.
A couple of the GMs, actually, some months ago.

A couple of the GMs, actually, some months ago.

I still think its a wrong decision to forum ban him for week over sarcasm but that is my opinion.

... it was still sarcastic in nature and sarcasm should not be punished.I do not see any sarcasm tags or even the rolling-eyes thing..
Either way.. this kind of posts belong in Moderation.

You may continue the discussion here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492324). This is off-topic.

I do not see any sarcasm tags or even the rolling-eyes thing..
Either way.. this kind of posts belong in Moderation.

Just because there are none of that doesn't mean it wasn't sarcasm. Not everyone who posts sarcasm remarks tags it or does the eye roll.

US History<< Depend who bombs the ship.. If its Israel.. the US Gov will say "I am sure it was an accident"..
It won't be Isreal. Whether the Liberty was a mistake or not, there is no Naval battle going on except in that Hezbolla is trying to launch missles from shore at Isreali ships. The Isrealis will no exactly when, where and what is showing up to pick up Americans and Europeans and will do nothing to them except maybe to help protect them. They get ALL of their military aid from the US and the US is the only country that is supporting them unconditionally. If a missile hits that ship it will come from Lebanon and be launched by Hezbolla and if that happens there will be a military response, probably not just from the US either. Remember all of the European countries and the US are evacuating.

Just because there are none of that doesn't mean it wasn't sarcasm. Not everyone who posts sarcasm remarks tags it or does the eye roll.
Well, not everyone who decides to go for a stroll across a minefield uses a metal detector. :p

Just because there are none of that doesn't mean it wasn't sarcasm. Not everyone who posts sarcasm remarks tags it or does the eye roll.>> moderation.

It won't be Isreal. Whether the Liberty was a mistake or not, there is no Naval battle going on except in that Hezbolla is trying to launch missles from shore at Isreali ships. The Isrealis will no exactly when, where and what is showing up to pick up Americans and Europeans and will do nothing to them except maybe to help protect them. They get ALL of their military aid from the US and the US is the only country that is supporting them unconditionally. If a missile hits that ship it will come from Lebanon and be launched by Hezbolla and if that happens there will be a military response, probably not just from the US either. Remember all of the European countries and the US are evacuating.

Yep and other nations are also taking off other people's citizens too. An attack like that on one of those ships is going to piss off a hell of a lot of people.

advocating mass murder of civileans?

the mods may judge that even with tags your post is too dark to let it pass.

Someone fires a missile at my ship flying my nations colors, I don't care who dies provided the area where that missile was shot at gets leveled.

Someone fires a missile at my ship flying my nations colors, I don't care who dies provided the area where that missile was shot at gets leveled.
Sometimes, I imagine you as being a James Bond villain.

Someone fires a missile at my ship flying my nations colors, I don't care who dies provided the area where that missile was shot at gets leveled.even if that area is Tel aviv?

even if that area is Tel aviv?

Since Israel has not fired on any evac ship nor evac chopper or plane, we can safely assume that they are allowing the evacuations to continue. I doubt they'll fire on any evac ship of any country.

There has been a ruling on that. Intended humour has no bearing on the treatment of the offence.
Let me please suggest something that works on another board I visit. THere was a major problem of people not realizing a sarcastic post when they saw one. The solution was to put all sarcastic comments in teal. It actually makes some funny posts.

Example:
The Cubs will win the World Series.

Since....is that a Yes or a No ?

is that a Yes or a No ?
It's obviously a yes as anyone with a brain would know that it won't be from Tel Aviv.

It's obviously a yes.. But what if Israel says it was an accident.. or they say it was not them (but a para-military group).. Would you still flatten Tel-aviv.. killing all the israeli civileans in that city?

But what if Israel says it was an accident.. or they say it was not them (but a para-military group).. Would you still flatten Tel-aviv.. killing all the israeli civileans in that city?

Notice I said destroy the entire area. I did not say destroy an entire city.

Notice I said destroy the entire area. I did not say destroy an entire city.an "entire area" in Tel-aviv holds 500-5000 civileans.

an "entire area" in Tel-aviv holds 500-5000 civileans.

And if you noticed, they have not fired on ANY SHIPS WHATSOEVER during this conflict. I guess you are over looking that fact because you are a class A bigot.

And if you noticed, they have not fired on ANY SHIPS WHATSOEVER during this conflict. I guess you are over looking that fact because you are a class A bigot.you are the one who want to flatten "entire areas".. indiscrimately killing civileans.

you need help.

you are the one who want to flatten "entire areas".. indiscrimately killing civileans.

you need help.

For calling for revenge if a ship flying my nation's flag gets hit?

For calling for revenge if a ship flying my nation's flag gets hit?for you are ready to kill hundreds/thousands of civileans.. in order to get your "revenge".. and on top of that, its race/country based.

You are ready to kill hundreds/thousand of Arab civileans if they hit one ship, even if they say it was mistake..

But when I ask you "what it was an Israli hand"?.. you are not even able to give me an straigh answer.

for you are ready to kill hundreds/thousands of civileans.. in order to get your "revenge".. and on top of that, its race/country based.

Since Hezbollah has already hit an Israeli Warship and an Egyptian civilian ship, kinda lends credence that they will be the fools to attack.

You are ready to kill hundreds/thousand of Arab civileans if they hit one ship, even if they say it was mistake..

A terrorist admitting to a mistake? *dies of laughter*

But when I ask you "what it was an Israli hand"?.. you are not even able to give me an straigh answer.

That's because you are to stupid to respond to with a straight answer.

That's because you are to stupid to respond to with a straight answer.Corneliu, I dont like being called stupid.

That's because you are to stupid to respond to with a straight answer.BTW
IDF did give an answer in your name.. maybe because he saw you having a hard time giving an straigh answer.

Anyways like I said before..
Do not answer if you do not want to.. Its your free speech (your credibility)

A terrorist admitting to a mistake? *dies of laughter*


It has, and does occur.


And if you noticed, they have not fired on ANY SHIPS WHATSOEVER during this conflict. I guess you are over looking that fact because you are a class A bigot.

You really are quite good at dodging the question at hand, I give you that.

The simple question is: If Israel attacked a US ship (accidentally or not), would you advocate the same ''time to open cap o' whoop-ass'' mentality for the IDF as you would for Hezb'allah?

Yes? Or No?

Simple question Corny.

Better yet, the US IS CHARGING for the service of protecting their own citizens. Gee thanks bush, fyad.

Can someone post a link about charging for this please since it is on zero websites.

Can someone post a link about charging for this please since it is on zero websites.

The Department of State reminds American citizens that the U.S. government does not provide no-cost transportation but does have the authority to provide repatriation loans to those in financial need. For the portion of your trip directly handled by the U.S. Government we will ask you to sign a promissory note and we will bill you at a later date. In a subsequent message, when we have specific details about the transporation arrangments, we will inform you about the costs you will incur. We will also work with commercial aircraft to ensure that they have adequate flights to help you depart Cyprus and connect to your final destination.

http://beirut.usembassy.gov/lebanon/Lebanon_Situation_Update.html

From the horse's mouth. You looked real hard there Corneliu.

Well we all know what happened to a ship with American flags on it last time it was in the region...

USS Liberty anyone?


The attack on the USS Liberty was an accident, a friendly fire incident if you will. It happened way before all the new IFF equipment and identification stuff there is now. It was not an intentional attack on a US ship. The US ship in question was in a war zone, and was nothing more then mistaken identity.

The Department of State reminds American citizens that the U.S. government does not provide no-cost transportation but does have the authority to provide repatriation loans to those in financial need. For the portion of your trip directly handled by the U.S. Government we will ask you to sign a promissory note and we will bill you at a later date. In a subsequent message, when we have specific details about the transporation arrangments, we will inform you about the costs you will incur. We will also work with commercial aircraft to ensure that they have adequate flights to help you depart Cyprus and connect to your final destination.

http://beirut.usembassy.gov/lebanon/Lebanon_Situation_Update.html

Thanks for the link.

It has, and does occur.



You really are quite good at dodging the question at hand, I give you that.

The simple question is: If Israel attacked a US ship (accidentally or not), would you advocate the same ''time to open cap o' whoop-ass'' mentality for the IDF as you would for Hezb'allah?

Yes? Or No?

Simple question Corny.


There are two answers to this question.
1) If the attack was accidental= NO
2) If the attack was intentional=YES
But if attacked by terrorist it would not be accidentally.

There are two answers to this question.
1) If the attack was accidental= NO
2) If the attack was intentional=YES
But if attacked by terrorist it would not be accidentally.

I'm sorry? What makes the difference between a terrorist group saying "Oops! Oh shit! My bad, my bad! Thought that ship was something else! Sorry, twas an accident!"

and the IDF saying the same?

I'm sorry? What makes the difference between a terrorist group saying "Oops! Oh shit! My bad, my bad! Thought that ship was something else! Sorry, twas an accident!"

and the IDF saying the same?

Because the terrorists want to attack and kill US people (military or civilans). Israle on the other hand does not want to, they need US support on there current action, and an attack on a US ship would end such support. The islomofashist want to kill US military or civilans, and have a track record of doing so.

Because the terrorists want to attack and kill US people (military or civilans). Israle on the other hand does not want to, they need US support on there current action, and an attack on a US ship would end such support. The islomofashist want to kill US military or civilans, and have a track record of doing so.

Why would the terrorists want to attack and kill US people, they could have done so in the past quite easily (how many US civilians are/were in Lebanon? How many were killed by Hezb'allah?)

Accidents happen on both sides. If Hezb'allah accidentally launched a explosives laden drone at a US warship, I would expect the same US response that the US gave the Israelis after the Liberty.

Why would the terrorists want to attack and kill US people, they could have done so in the past quite easily (how many US civilians are/were in Lebanon? How many were killed by Hezb'allah?)

Accidents happen on both sides. If Hezb'allah accidentally launched a explosives laden drone at a US warship, I would expect the same US response that the US gave the Israelis after the Liberty.

If you firmly believe that then I have a beach for sail in Miami.

If you firmly believe that then I have a beach for sail in Miami.
What? Terrorists can't make mistakes? They're faultless?

Grow up.

If the IDF attacked a US ship, you'd merely shrug your shoulders and say "It was an accident" regardless. If Hezb'allah did, you'd cry for their heads.

Hypocrite.

Why would the terrorists want to attack and kill US people, they could have done so in the past quite easily (how many US civilians are/were in Lebanon? How many were killed by Hezb'allah?)

Accidents happen on both sides. If Hezb'allah accidentally launched a explosives laden drone at a US warship, I would expect the same US response that the US gave the Israelis after the Liberty.

What world do you live in????? The only thing these islomofasists want more then killing Jews is killing Americans. Hezb'allah accidentally launch a weapon at a US ship, that’s funny, they would not make such a mistake any attack they would make would be intentional. They would know the ship was a US warship, but my bet would be they would attack the evacuation ship; they would get to kill more people that way. There is a very good chance that any weapon launched at a US ship would be shot down before it would get close enough to do any real damage. You think that a US warship would go there in anything less then in a state of 100% combat readiness. You at general quarters set, material condition zebra set and all weapons manned and ready, with “weapons free orders”???

What? Terrorists can't make mistakes? They're faultless?

Grow up.

If the IDF attacked a US ship, you'd merely shrug your shoulders and say "It was an accident" regardless. If Hezb'allah did, you'd cry for their heads.

Hypocrite.

The US public would not stand for it, if the IDF intentionally attacked a US warship, there would be consequences, and the public would demand it.

What? Terrorists can't make mistakes? They're faultless?

Grow up.

If the IDF attacked a US ship, you'd merely shrug your shoulders and say "It was an accident" regardless. If Hezb'allah did, you'd cry for their heads.

Hypocrite.

1) I didn't say it was an accident and I even thanked the person for the links which I read. IDF said it was an Accident.

and

2) Terrorists wouldn't mind killing a few americans without remorse. An attack against any ship with people getting the hell out of the area would more than likely come from Hezbollah and not from the IDF.

The US public would not stand for it, if the IDF intentionally attacked a US warship, there would be consequences, and the public would demand it.

Including me.

1) I didn't say it was an accident and I even thanked the person for the links which I read. IDF said it was an Accident.

and

2) Terrorists wouldn't mind killing a few americans without remorse. An attack against any ship with people getting the hell out of the area would more than likely come from Hezbollah and not from the IDF.
You're not following the hypothetical. If a terrorist group had "accidently" fired upon the USS liberty ala the IDF, we would have bombed them into the dirt.

You're not following the hypothetical. If a terrorist group had "accidently" fired upon the USS liberty ala the IDF, we would have bombed them into the dirt.

Any action taken by terrorists won't be an accident.

What world do you live in????? The only thing these islomofasists want more then killing Jews is killing Americans.
How many Americans were killed by Hezb'allah prior to this situation?
How many Americans reside in Lebanon?


Why would a terrorist group whose intention is to attack Americans wait until a heavily armed and heavily aggressive military force arrives, to attack?

Use your fucking brain.

They would have hit the soft targets (ie the American civilians already residing in Lebanon) if their goal was to kill Americans.

They didn't.

1) I didn't say it was an accident and I even thanked the person for the links which I read. IDF said it was an Accident.

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

I said "If", pertaining to a possible future event. Not past- future.


Any action taken by terrorists won't be an accident.
Terrorists have made mistakes in the past, they will commit accidents in the future. That is certain.

How the victim reads the event is uncertain.

And you still haven't answered the question:

If Israel attacked a US ship (accidentally or not), would you advocate the same ''time to open cap o' whoop-ass'' mentality for the IDF as you would for Hezb'allah?

Yes? Or No?

How many Americans were killed by Hezb'allah prior to this situation?

How about over 250 US Marines, 12 Us military advisors attached to the UN, what about the embassy bombings in the early 80's I believe that somewhere in the range of 12 were killed then, after the US military left and the US advisors to the UN left they turned there attention to Israel.

How many Americans reside in Lebanon?

About 25,000


Why would a terrorist group whose intention is to attack Americans wait until a heavily armed and heavily aggressive military force arrives, to attack?

Use your fucking brain.

Because there focus was on Israel
Dumb @ss

They would have hit the soft targets (ie the American civilians already residing in Lebanon) if their goal was to kill Americans.

They didn't.

Again they were more interested in the Jewish state.



You need to work on your reading comprehension.

I said "If", pertaining to a possible future event. Not past- future.


Terrorists have made mistakes in the past, they will commit accidents in the future. That is certain.

How the victim reads the event is uncertain.

And you still haven't answered the question:

If Israel attacked a US ship (accidentally or not), would you advocate the same ''time to open cap o' whoop-ass'' mentality for the IDF as you would for Hezb'allah?

Yes? Or No?

Ok I will answer it again incase you were unable to comprehend it last time.

If it was an accident (friendly fire) no, but there would be hard questions for them to answer, with the technology today such a mistake would be hard to explain

If it was intentional, then retaliate in kind against the IDF.

Is that clear enough for you.

Ok I will answer it again incase you were unable to comprehend it last time.

If it was an accident (friendly fire) no, but there would be hard questions for them to answer, with the technology today such a mistake would be hard to explain

If it was intentional, then retaliate in kind against the IDF.

Is that clear enough for you.

I'm sorry. I didn't realise Corneliu had sprouted a second head.

How many Americans were killed by Hezb'allah prior to this situation?
How many Americans reside in Lebanon?


Why would a terrorist group whose intention is to attack Americans wait until a heavily armed and heavily aggressive military force arrives, to attack?


To answer your first question, 243

I don't know the answer of your 2nd, but there are 25,000 there (mainly students IIRC.)

They attacked marine barracks so why not attack a US Navy ship?

Perhaps it is you who should "use your fucking brain."

That's not news. News would be the Greeks leasing an American ship to get Turkish citizens off of Cyprus.
LMAO! Or a Lebanese ship licensed by the Israelis to get Tamil terrorists out of Indonesia. :p

To answer your first question, 243

I don't know the answer of your 2nd, but there are 25,000 there (mainly students IIRC.)

They attacked marine barracks so why not attack a US Navy ship?
I'm not talking about the Marine truck bombing. That was in the early 80's.

Given the current events, hell even since the withdrawal, how many US civilians have been killed by Hezb'allah in Lebanon?

If their goal was The only thing these islomofasists want more then killing Jews is killing Americans

you'd think they'd be killing the 25,000 US residents in Lebanon every day for the past decade or so, wouldn't you?


Oh wait..... maybe that's not what they want. *slaps forehead*
Duh.

Maybe they prefer killing IDF troops inside Lebanon, and random Israelis with Kaytusha rocktes in Israel proper.

But if attacked by terrorist it would not be accidentally.Any action taken by terrorists won't be an accident.Interesting, I guess the Hezbollah missiles are flawless.
100% accuracy.

couple of days ago.. a Hezbollah missile struck an Egypcian vessel.. Hezbollah said it was not the intented target.. but you say that is impossible. :rolleyes:

Neocon mentality:
Israel never lies and.. Hezbolla missiles have 100% accuracy .

you'd think they'd be killing the 25,000 US residents in Lebanon every day for the past decade or so, wouldn't you?


Oh wait..... maybe that's not what they want. *slaps forehead*
Duh.

Maybe they prefer killing IDF troops inside Lebanon, and random Israelis with Kaytusha rocktes in Israel proper.[/QUOTE]

Maybe if you tried to think about it for a bit (if you know how to think) you would realize that killing and attacking the jewish state was more in the intrest of there masters in syeria (sp) and not US civilans, they get more press attacking the jews. They do hate the jews more the the americans.:eek:

Interesting, I guess the Hezbollah missiles are flawless.
100% accuracy.

couple of days ago.. a Hezbollah missile struck an Egypcian vessel.. Hezbollah said it was not the intented target.. but you say that is impossible. :rolleyes:

Neocon mentality:
Israel never lies and.. Hezbolla missiles have 100% accuracy .


And Hezbollah does not lie???? How can you say for sure they did not intend to hit the Egypcian ship to try to draw others into the fray????
Does Israel lie??? You bet, but so does every government of the face of the earth....

They do hate the jews more the the americans.:eek:
Which contradicts what you said earlier:

The only thing these islomofasists want more then killing Jews is killing Americans

you'd think they'd be killing the 25,000 US residents in Lebanon every day for the past decade or so, wouldn't you?


Oh wait..... maybe that's not what they want. *slaps forehead*
Duh.

Maybe they prefer killing IDF troops inside Lebanon, and random Israelis with Kaytusha rocktes in Israel proper....hezbollah does prefer to kill Israeli troops.

They do hate the jews more the the americans.:eek:
You know...Americans can be Jewish...:eek: :p

Which contradicts what you said earlier:

No it does not..... They were and as of now are more interested in killing jews the Americans, but that could change anytime, depending on there mood and goals, if they want to widen this they will hit americans, if they don't want to widen the current conflict they will keep hitting Israel.

You know...Americans can be Jewish...:eek: :p


What wounderfull insite...I never thought that an american could also be jewish........LOL:D

What wounderfull insite...I never thought that an american could also be jewish........LOL:D
Yup...I'm an American Jew with stick-out-in-the-middle-east-blond-hair who stands about 6'3, 6'4....So you could imagine the reaction I get when I'm in the Middle East.:D

No, it does not. :rolleyes:

EDIT: Actually, have a week off. Advocating murder is so totally against the rules.

TG's perverting the rules, what a surprise!

TG's tactics:
1. Bait response
2. Pervert Response into rule violation.

He did not advocate murder. He did not violate any rule, except crossing your own ideology... Which has obviously become a rule around here. Perhapse its time you gave yourself a week off.

TG's perverting the rules, what a surprise!

TG's tactics:
1. Bait response
2. Pervert Response into rule violation.

He did not advocate murder. He did not violate any rule, except crossing your own ideology... Which has obviously become a rule around here. Perhapse its time you gave yourself a week off.

I couldn't agree more.

Well, there's not many options for any government. You either go get some ships and move people to Cyprus or bus them into Syria.

25,000 people is a lot of people to move.

Well, there's not many options for any government. You either go get some ships and move people to Cyprus or bus them into Syria.

25,000 people is a lot of people to move.

Also remember that not all of them are leaving. In fact, the US is estimating that they'll have 8000 moved out by the end of the weekend thanks to the warships and chartered ships they are using.

In fact, rumor on the vine has it that our evac efforts are the envy of other evac efforts.

Also remember that not all of them are leaving. In fact, the US is estimating that they'll have 8000 moved out by the end of the weekend thanks to the warships and chartered ships they are using.

In fact, rumor on the vine has it that our evac efforts are the envy of other evac efforts.

No surprise considering the USA occupies the state East of Israel (if you skip Jordan), you'd be far more prepared.

No surprise considering the USA occupies the state East of Israel, you'd be far more prepared.

Except that everyone is going west and not east.

Except that everyone is going west and not east.

I don't blame them either.

I don't blame them either.

Also, people are being evaced to Turkey now because Cyprus can't handle the flow of people. I do know that some canadians got off there and a chartered ship (I don't believe it is the Orient Queen but another one) is going to debark refugees there too.

Also, people are being evaced to Turkey now because Cyprus can't handle the flow of people. I do know that some canadians got off there and a chartered ship (I don't believe it is the Orient Queen but another one) is going to debark refugees there too.

Turkey does have the infrastructure to handle this. Nations are going be chartering every single passenger ship in the area for a while.

Turkey does have the infrastructure to handle this. Nations are going be chartering every single passenger ship in the area for a while.

Yep probably. At this rate, the US will have all of the evacuation done within a few days. Canada as evac 700 of their own people. Do not know the numbers for others but every available ship it seems from Passanger ships to warships are being used in evacuating foreigners.

Except that everyone is going west and not east.If you mean the refugees, then you're wrong.

If you mean the refugees, then you're wrong.

Syria are probably picking up these people, but then they are the Eastern neighbour.

If you mean the refugees, then you're wrong.

Most everyone is fleeing westward and not towards syria. Yes there are some fleeing towards Syria but the majority of them are fleeing westward on ships bound for cyprus and turkey.

Most everyone is fleeing westward and not towards syria. Yes there are some fleeing towards Syria but the majority of them are fleeing westward on ships bound for cyprus and turkey.That wouldn't be the same as "everyone" is leaving westwards. There's currently several Luftwaffe airplanes flying Germans out of Damascus. Likewise, the Lebanese that don't have dual citizenship have no option but to stay or flee to Syria, which a lot of them are doing. Most people are fleeing westwards because they don't want to be hit by an Israeli missile on their way to Syria.