Why the hell did the Nazis use up all the good architecture?
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 07:42
I mean, what am I meant to use? They even got one of the best symbols! All I'm left with is the Iron Cross. :(
I mean, what am I meant to use? They even got one of the best symbols! All I'm left with is the Iron Cross. :(
Use the Ankh Luke, use the Ankh!
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 07:56
Use the Ankh Luke, use the Ankh!
That's not even German.
Unlike the Swastika, right?
Unlike the Swastika, right?
The Swastika is a cool looking symbol. It really is too bad what it stands for.:(
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:04
Unlike the Swastika, right?
It did stand for Thor's lightning, that's GermanIC...
That's not even German.
It's not archeticture either. You at least mentioned architecture in the title.
Nazis too.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this thread anyway?
Find German symbology and/or architecture to represent yourself somehow?
It did stand for Thor's lightning, that's GermanIC...
I thought Thor had thunder and Odin had lightning?
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:09
It's not archeticture either. You at least mentioned architecture in the title.
Nazis too.
What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this thread anyway?
Find German symbology and/or architecture to represent yourself somehow?
I'm whinging. Evil people get the best stuff... :(
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:10
I thought Thor had thunder and Odin had lightning?
I think Thor had both...
I'm whinging. Evil people get the best stuff... :(
http://chiwowwow.biz/blog/images/BMW%20logo.jpg
Ulvaland
17-07-2006, 08:12
the Swastika is an ancient symbol, and quite spread through the world, but not just through the Nazi's though. It's an quite common symbol on India for example, and there it has nothing to do with the nazicult.
Mstreeted
17-07-2006, 08:14
meh
swastika isn't german, it's an adaptation of a hindu symbol of good luck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Etymology_and_alternative_names
Peisandros
17-07-2006, 08:15
Blah. Do we really need another thread that just ends up being a boring argument over the Swastika?
Mstreeted
17-07-2006, 08:16
Blah. Do we really need another thread that just ends up being a boring argument over the Swastika?
they all digress eventually... the nature of the beasts
Neo Undelia
17-07-2006, 08:16
I'm whinging. Evil people get the best stuff... :(
You mean like the Death Star?
http://www.autowonder.com/wp-content/MercedesBenzLogo.jpeg
http://www.numeca.de/referenzen/images/logos_ind/logo_ind_KSB.jpg
Peisandros
17-07-2006, 08:20
they all digress eventually... the nature of the beasts
:rolleyes:
Boring.
http://home-1.tiscali.nl/~rlion/logbrau.jpg
Neu Leonstein
17-07-2006, 08:23
Hehe, I wish he'd realise that due to Germany's long past, there is an infinite number of symbols to choose from...
Three for you to use (I won't tell you where they're from, you'll have to find out yourself):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/De_konstanz_coat.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/De_schwaebischhall_coat.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/De_calw_coat.png
Gretavass
17-07-2006, 08:26
I thought Thor had thunder and Odin had lightning?
If you want to get into Norse mythology, Odin was the All-father, master of the universer, sorta like Zeus. But Thor is Thunder, Lightning, an storms
Anglo Germany
17-07-2006, 08:28
Another thing the Nazis (and Specifically Hitler) ruined was the toothbrush Moustache, and efficient, organised 'can-do' looking piece of facial furniture and effectivly your not allowed it anymore, such a waste...
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:31
meh
swastika isn't german, it's an adaptation of a hindu symbol of good luck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#Etymology_and_alternative_names
It was also used to symbolise Thor's hammer.
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:34
Hehe, I wish he'd realise that due to Germany's long past, there is an infinite number of symbols to choose from...
Three for you to use (I won't tell you where they're from, you'll have to find out yourself):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a1/De_konstanz_coat.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/De_schwaebischhall_coat.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/De_calw_coat.png
They're just coats of arms!
I'm partial to the three-armed swastika, but I'm sure it's been used.
Torture solutions INC
17-07-2006, 08:35
The nerv or seele symbols. *is fanboy*
Neu Leonstein
17-07-2006, 08:35
It was also used to symbolise Thor's hammer.
Which is of course wrong because there is a symbol in the Elder Futhark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurisaz) already, which looks nothing like it.
But before you go ahead and use that, be advised that several high-profile Neonazi Skinhead Groups are using it and have thus claimed this one as well.
Neu Leonstein
17-07-2006, 08:37
They're just coats of arms!
So what do you want then? :confused:
I thought you were just looking for something to put on your flag or something.
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:39
Which is of course wrong because there is a symbol in the Elder Futhark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurisaz) already, which looks nothing like it.
But before you go ahead and use that, be advised that several high-profile Neonazi Skinhead Groups are using it and have thus claimed this one as well.
Might have been Thor's lightning. One of those.
I'm pretty sure that the swastika was somewhere in Norse symbology.
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:39
So what do you want then? :confused:
I thought you were just looking for something to put on your flag or something.
A symbol. Like the swastika or hammer & sickle.
Neu Leonstein
17-07-2006, 08:45
I'm pretty sure that the swastika was somewhere in Norse symbology.
You need to read "Mein Kamm" by Ephraim Kishon. One of the best books ever, and it will probably give you a better insight into the Nazi mind than anything else.
Don't assume the Nazis had any idea about German or Norse mythology. They used stuff because they thought it looked cool.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
The motif seems to have first been used in Neolithic Eurasia. The swastika is used in religious and civil ceremonies in India. Most Indian temples, entrance of houses, weddings, festivals and celebrations are decorated with swastikas. The symbol was introduced to Southeast Asia by Hindu kings and remains an integral part of Balinese Hinduism to this day, and it is a common sight in Indonesia. The symbol has an ancient history in Europe, appearing on artifacts from pre-Christian European cultures. It was also adopted independently by several Native American cultures.
In the Western world, the symbol experienced a resurgence following the archaeological work in the late nineteenth century of Heinrich Schliemann, who discovered the symbol in the site of ancient Troy and associated it with the ancient migrations of Proto-Indo-Europeans ("Aryan" people). He connected it with similar shapes found on ancient pots in Germany, and theorised that the swastika was a "significant religious symbol of our remote ancestors," linking ancient German, Greek and Vedic culture.[1] [2] By the early 20th century it was widely used worldwide and was regarded as a symbol of good luck and auspiciousness.
The work of Schliemann soon became intertwined with the völkisch movements, for which the swastika was a symbol of "Aryan" identity, a concept that came to be equated by theorists like Alfred Rosenberg with a Nordic master race originating in northern Europe. Since its adoption by the Nazi Party of Adolf Hitler, the swastika has been associated with fascism, racism (white supremacy), World War II, and the Holocaust in much of the West. The swastika remains a core symbol of Neo-Nazi groups, and is also regularly used by activist groups to signify the supposed Nazi-like behaviour of organizations and individuals they oppose.
A symbol. Like the swastika or hammer & sickle.
Representing what?
Greater Alemannia
17-07-2006, 08:50
Don't assume the Nazis had any idea about German or Norse mythology. They used stuff because they thought it looked cool.
Oh, I know. I'm just saying that I recall it being part of Norse symbology, somewhere...
Representing what?
Me. Me and my... "empire."
Neu Leonstein
17-07-2006, 08:56
Me. Me and my... "empire."
Right.
Well, firstly, neither the Swastika nor Hammer & Sickle represent people or empires, they represent ideologies. Since democracy and liberalism doesn't necessarily need a central symbol people can focus their feelings on, they don't really have one (although anarcho-capitalism has at least two, the Libertatis Æquilibritas and the Ama-Gi).
Secondly, what you really seem to want is a Coat of Arms. That's what empires, communities and even families have. I have given you three from Baden-Württemberg. Alamannia usually has the colour combination of yellow and black.
Thirdly, if you still want a symbol, but you don't really have anything it's supposed to represent, you can make one up. Just be careful not to imitate symbols that mean something else.
Fourthly, you forgot why you started this thread, haven't you? ;)
I mean, what am I meant to use? They even got one of the best symbols! All I'm left with is the Iron Cross. :(
i am at a loss as to what "good archtecture" they are supposed to have "used up".
the rectiliniarity of bauhouse, well there might be other good things, but that rectiliniarity is crap.
you know when everything was nature and people and cities were rare and few, then the rectangle, golden and otherwise had some virtue of novelty, but that is truely ancient history.
when i think of GOOD architecture i think of roger dean and antonio gaudi, and i don't see where the hooligans with the swastikas used anything like those kinds of organic concepts at all.
so i can't see how they are supposed to have "used them up".
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