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In Amerika we are being told about how barbaric and backwards the Iranians are. Here (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) you can see some pictures of how Iran truly is it is not the backwards wasteland that is portrayed in the Amerikan media.

Congratulations, you have proven they have some nice landscape.

We however, focus on what the people are doing rather than what it looks like.

Congratulations, you have proven they have some nice landscape.

We however, focus on what the people are doing rather than what it looks like.

What are the people doing?

Nice country, crazy leader.

Nice country, crazy leader.

The same can be said for Amerika.

The same can be said for Amerika.

Nah, our leader is just stupid. I like the buildings though. and you don't have to like our leader, country, or whatever, but can you at least spell America right?

Where is "Amerika"? I've never heard of it.

I never heard someone say Iran doesn't have cities.

Nah, our leader is just stupid. I like the buildings though. and you don't have to like our leader, country, or whatever, but can you at least spell America right?

How is the patriot act, wire tapping citzens and supporting torture of prisoners not evil? Amerika
looks better to me like the way an empire should spell it name.

How is the patriot act, wire tapping citzens and supporting torture of prisoners not evil? Amerika
looks better to me like the way an empire should spell it name.

Yea yea, you're trying to drag me into a flame war, you know you say bad stuff about my country, and I turn around say bad stuff about yours, yea, whatever.

*walks away*

Where is "Amerika"? I've never heard of it.

I never heard someone say Iran doesn't have cities.

You haven't heard anyone call Iran 3rd world hellhole? If you listen to the Amerikan media you would think it was like Somalia.

You haven't heard anyone call Iran 3rd world hellhole? If you listen to the Amerikan media you would think it was like Somalia.

Actually I never heard anyone call Iran a "hell hole".

Yea yea, you're trying to drag me into a flame war, you know you say bad stuff about my country, and I turn around say bad stuff about yours, yea, whatever.

*walks away*

I am not talking about the country I am telling factual things about the government. If I am wrong could you tell me where I went wrong.

Actually I never heard anyone call Iran a "hell hole".

The strawman said it.

Actually I never heard anyone call Iran a "hell hole".
I have actually called it that. I was trying to make a point in an argument I had once.

The strawman said it.

Yea, now if he said Iraq, then he might have something. But Iran, eh never heard it being called a Hell Hole.

I have actually called it that. I was trying to make a point in an argument I had once.

Well I think he was referring to the US media.

Actually I never heard anyone call Iran a "hell hole".

Really that is what you would think it is when the media talking heads say we should blow it off the face of the earth (http://mediamatters.org/items/200603100008).

Really that is what you would think it is when the media talking heads say we should blow it off the face of the earth (http://mediamatters.org/items/200603100008).

Umm ok, just so you'll know, No one here in America takes O' Reily seriously. That also goes for the entire cast of The 700 Club, Fred Phelps, John Kerry, Al Gore, basically any right wing Christian fanatic or Left Wing Liberal Whack jobs.

Hey, iran has some polished cities! Surely any country with polished cities can't be evil?

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Oh.

I'll stop calling iran backwards when they stop executing rape victims.

Well I think he was referring to the US media.
Im sure Fox news has called it that at least once or twice, it is afterall fox news.

Im sure Fox news has called it that at least once or twice, it is afterall fox news.

Yea, he did link to O' Reily, but no one takes him seriously.

isn't iran oil rich like most arab nations?

Umm ok, just so you'll know, No one here in America takes O' Reily seriously. That also goes for the entire cast of The 700 Club, Fred Phelps, John Kerry, Al Gore, basically any right wing Christian fanatic or Left Wing Liberal Whack jobs.

Fox news, the 700 club and other christian coalition people are George Bushes base.

I'll stop calling iran backwards when they stop executing rape victims.

And we have a winner. Game over.

Fox news, the 700 club and other christian coalition people are George Bushes base.

Yea, and if you'd paid attention to Bush's approval ratings, you'll realize that the majority of American's don't like Bush either.

Hey, iran has some polished cities! Surely any country with polished cities can't be evil?

MODEDIT: Swastika image removed.

Oh.

I'll stop calling iran backwards when they stop executing rape victims.

No they are not nearly as civilized as Amerika's allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

How is the patriot act, wire tapping citzens and supporting torture of prisoners not evil? Amerika
looks better to me like the way an empire should spell it name.
Do we need to mention Iran's countless human rights violations? Every major country has a soiled record, saying one leader is evil while another is not comes down to personal opinion, and little else. "Amerika" is only correct spelling if you are writing in German, the only correct English form is America.


You haven't heard anyone call Iran 3rd world hellhole?
No. Iran is actually around the 20th most economically powerful nation in the world. It has an ancient cultural heritage, and major industrialized cities. Nothing wrong with any of that.


If you listen to the Amerikan media you would think it was like Somalia.
Good thing I don't listen to the "Amerikan" media then. I suggest you switch over to a nationally credible source, or there's always the BBC.


Really that is what you would think it is when the media talking heads say we should blow it off the face of the earth.
Bwahaha! That's your problem right there. You are mistaking an ass with a mouth for a reliable indication of US public opinion. :p

No they are not nearly as civilized as Amerika's allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

They're just as bad. Sometimes worse. But Imperial Japan couldn't justify their shit with "Hey, but look what the Nazis did!"

Sorry for another WWII refence, but they really are the best.

boohoo. Some mistreated prisoners in an American-run Iraqi prison. Since sh!t went down at Abu Graib that must mean that stoning adulteresses, forcing women to wear head coverings, beheading homosexuals, and persecuting people of the Bahai faith in Iran is humane.

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And I do believe that those responsible were punished by the law.

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boohoo. Some mistreated prisoners in an American-run Iraqi prison. Since sh!t went down at Abu Graib that must mean that stoning adulteresses, forcing women to wear head coverings, beheading homosexuals, and persecuting people of the Bahai faith in Iran is humane.

I actually think the hijab is the least of their problems.

I can't believe I'm even responding to this. Do we really want to turn this into a "linking war" to see who can turn up the dirtiest articles on the other's country?

Iran: Police Attack Women’s Day Celebration (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2006/03/09/iran12832.htm)

And I do believe that those responsible were punished by the law.

They were.

They were.

I hate when people keep bring up something that's been dealt with. What do they fucking expect us to do, go back in time and prevent it from happening?

Do we need to mention Iran's countless human rights violations? Every major country has a soiled record, saying one leader is evil while another is not comes down to personal opinion, and little else. "Amerika" is only correct spelling if you are writing in German, the only correct English form is America.p
I am not saying Irans government does not do evil
things. I made this post and put the pictures on their so people could see that Iranians are similar to us. The Amerikan media and government are now preparing us for war. With idiots like O'reily saying we should blow them of the face of the earth. A lot of people in Amerika agree with O'reily and you know it.

And I do believe that those responsible were punished by the law.

Yes the High ranking officers were punished "Oh wait" as I recall only the enlisted piss ons were punished what justice Amerika has.

I hate when people keep bring up something that's been dealt with. What do they fucking expect us to do, go back in time and prevent it from happening?

Eh, it became ammo. Just like the USA saying that they saved the French from the Nazi, that sorta thing.

Yes the High ranking officers were punished "Oh wait" as I recall only the enlisted piss ons were punished what justice Amerika has.

Here is a list of people punished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_prisoner_abuse#Convictions_and_courts-martial

boohoo. Some mistreated prisoners in an American-run Iraqi prison. Since sh!t went down at Abu Graib that must mean that stoning adulteresses, forcing women to wear head coverings, beheading homosexuals, and persecuting people of the Bahai faith in Iran is humane.

Typical Amerikan response no it does not mean that torturing woman is good. But if you are sexually humilating and torturing people it means you should shut the fuck up about morality because you are just as evil.

The Amerikan media and government are now preparing us for war. With idiots like O'reily saying we should blow them of the face of the earth. A lot of people in Amerika agree with O'reily and you know it.
War, eh? I wonder what all that talk from Bush was, you know, about "giving diplomacy time to act" and whatnot.
Anyone who thinks that Bill O'Reily is an accurate portrayal of America, its people or media, has never spent time in America. I know some people who watch/listen to little else but Fox News, and they even turn off the t.v. when his show is on. His statements have been shown to be inflammatory, inaccurate, and just plain stupid on numerous occaisons, and of course, that's probably why he keeps a job. :p


But if you are sexually humilating and torturing people it means you should shut the fuck up about morality because you are just as evil.
Glad to see you agree about all countries. Now maybe this thread can sink down... down into the depths where it belongs, and die, and let it never resurface again.

Typical Amerikan response no it does not mean that torturing woman is good. But if you are sexually humilating and torturing people it means you should shut the fuck up about morality because you are just as evil.
Uh, excuse me. I never tortured anyone, buddy.
Now, I’m the last one to defend the actions of the US government, but to call an entire country evil, any country, to say a country’s citizens should have no say in a discussion about morality because of what some redneck mercenaries did is just irrational.

I’ll say whatever the fuck I want about anybody’s morality whenever the fuck I want to whether you like it or not.

But if you are sexually humilating and torturing people it means you should shut the fuck up about morality because you are just as evil.

Only if it is done on the same scale. Abu Graib was an abberation. Beheading homosexuals, forcing women to wear head coverings under threat of imprisonment, and persecuting the Bahai are the norm in Iran. Homosexuals are not beheaded in the USA. Women are not imprisoned for not dressing modestly. People of minority faiths are not forbidden from practising their minority faiths. Furthermore, a "Supreme Council of the Christian Revolution" does not forbid people who are not sufficiently religious wackjobs from running for President of the United States.

War, eh? I wonder what all that talk from Bush was, you know, about "giving diplomacy time to act" and whatnot.
Anyone who thinks that Bill O'Reily is an accurate portrayal of America, its people or media, has never spent time in America. I know some people who watch/listen to little else but Fox News, and they even turn off the t.v. when his show is on. His statements have been shown to be inflammatory, inaccurate, and just plain stupid on numerous occaisons, and of course, that's probably why he keeps a job. :p
Glad to see you are some what rational and do not want the total annilation of Iran:)

Uh, excuse me. I never tortured anyone, buddy.
Now, I’m the last one to defend the actions of the US government, but to call an entire country evil, any country, to say a country’s citizens should have no say in a discussion about morality because of what some redneck mercenaries did is just irrational.

I’ll say whatever the fuck I want about anybody’s morality whenever the fuck I want to whether you like it or not.

Sorry I did not mean all Amerikans just idiots defending abu ghraib my apologies.

Glad to see you are some what rational and do not want the total annilation of Iran:)

and guess what, the majority of American's also don't want total annilation of Iran! *gasp*

If you had a look at the images, you noticed that (at least in Teheran) the headscarf is already moving back quite a bit. And they are not punished for this. Which shows that Iran is by far not the most orthodox Muslim country around. I have plenty of friends who travelled through Iran an all of them confirmed that generally the PEOPLE of Iran anything but hating the West. That woman openly chatted to guys in buses, invited them to places, etc. I think, this is what the images are supposed to show. It's not the Taliban.

Sorry I did not mean all Amerikans just idiots defending abu ghraib my apologies.
A little advice, n00b, don't ever single out a group of people by nationality, race or even ocupation on this forum. There's a certain mod that doesn't take kindly to that.

Only if it is done on the same scale. Abu Graib was an abberation. Beheading homosexuals, forcing women to wear head coverings under threat of imprisonment, and persecuting the Bahai are the norm in Iran. Homosexuals are not beheaded in the USA. Women are not imprisoned for not dressing modestly. People of minority faiths are not forbidden from practising their minority faiths. Furthermore, a "Supreme Council of the Christian Revolution" does not forbid people who are not sufficiently religious wackjobs from running for President of the United States.
Could you explain your scale of evil. So sexual humilation and torture are ok. But the stuff you said is evil could you explain why some are evil and the others are not.

Could you explain your scale of evil. So sexual humilation and torture are ok. But the stuff you said is evil could you explain why some are evil and the others are not.

No one has EVER said what happened at Abu Ghraib was ok.

A little advice, n00b, don't ever single out a group of people by nationality, race or even ocupation on this forum. There's a certain mod that doesn't take kindly to that.

You know I did not single out an entire nationality. I was refering to the dumbass defending abu ghraib. Now if you think abu ghraib is all right then you are just as sick as him.

Ah, let's get back Amerikans who stereotype Iran as a backwards pitstop to the next watering hole in the desert by stereotyping all Americans as arrogant, ignorant fools who know nothing about the world outside their country and are easily brainwashed by the T.V.!

Really though, Iran has some lovely cities and it would be a shame to see them reduced to ruin and have their people dying every day when they really just want to go about daily life unharmed. Too bad psychopaths lead the United States and Iran.

Ah, let's get back Amerikans who stereotype Iran as a backwards pitstop to the next watering hole in the desert by stereotyping all Americans as arrogant, ignorant fools who know nothing about the world outside their country and are easily brainwashed by the T.V.!

Really though, Iran has some lovely cities and it would be a shame to see them reduced to ruin and have their people dying every day when they really just want to go about daily life unharmed. Too bad psychopaths lead the United States and Iran.

I totally agree with you.

What are the people doing?
It's not the people, it's their government. And, while I think you have made some very good points, you must remember that some things in the Middle East at the moment are not qute so great. In Iran, Iraq, and several many Islamic nations, women are seen and treated as inferior, for example.

Purplelover your a dumbass. Your one of those stupid ass hippy commies anti-americans, exactly the type of dumbasses who think that Emricas an imperialistic evil nation. Do you think that iran is the good guys in the current conflict going on? Do you think N. Koreas moves are justified? :upyours:

Could you explain your scale of evil. So sexual humilation and torture are ok. But the stuff you said is evil could you explain why some are evil and the others are not.

I didn't say sexual humiliation and torture are okay.

I give at least some of the blame for the regime to the iranian people, though. It was their goddamn revolution.

Ah, let's get back Amerikans who stereotype Iran as a backwards pitstop to the next watering hole in the desert by stereotyping all Americans as arrogant, ignorant fools who know nothing about the world outside their country and are easily brainwashed by the T.V.!
The sad fact of the matter is that all too often this is the case. A recent survey showed that 7/10 average americans couldn't find Iraq, or even Louisiana, on a map! Also, many seem to have decided that theirs is the only language on earth. More and more people are beginning to think that, when (if by some chance they happen to) they visit another country, everyone really speaks english, but is just pertending not to. God forbid you should learn three words of french, cantonease, or whatever.

It's not the people, it's their government. And, while I think you have made some very good points, you must remember that some things in the Middle East at the moment are not qute so great. In Iran, Iraq, and several many Islamic nations, women are seen and treated as inferior, for example.

I am not defending the Iranian government I know they are evil like all governments in the world my point is the people will be the one hurt most if war starts. I understand women are treated unjustly in the middle east but should we bomb them for that? Will that help the women or anyone else for that matter.

Purplelover your a dumbass. Your one of those stupid ass hippy commies anti-americans, exactly the type of dumbasses who think that Emricas an imperialistic evil nation. Do you think that iran is the good guys in the current conflict going on? Do you think N. Koreas moves are justified? :upyours:

Look, if you can't formulate a decent argument other than a rant, the you help prove his point.

And I don't believe he has a valid point in the first place. Amerika sucks so much I won't even bother to spell it correctly. Everyone in the governments retarded. I'm going to pull all my references from such liberal sites as antiwar.com. So Al-Gore, what's your opinion on Korea, eh?

I am not defending the Iranian government I know they are evil like all governments in the world my point is the people will be the one hurt most if war starts. I understand women are treated unjustly in the middle east but should we bomb them for that? Will that help the women or anyone else for that matter.
No, I'm not advocating an attack at all. But still, I think that the UN should step up to the plate and do somthing other than a tap on the wrist. And ALL governments are evil? I don't see that.

Indeed, the reign of the Ayatollah is backwards indeed, but the Iranian people as a whole should not be labeled in such a way. They are a proud people, you know. Over the course of the millenia, the borders of Iran stayed the same, and there used to be great strength in Iran, such as with the Persian Empire, Ottoman Empire, etc.

In any case, I do wonder why people keep saying 'Amerika'. Heh, kind of reminds me of 'Amerika Bomber' a failed Nazi German project to bomb the US.

Purplelover your a dumbass. Your one of those stupid ass hippy commies anti-americans, exactly the type of dumbasses who think that Emricas an imperialistic evil nation. Do you think that iran is the good guys in the current conflict going on? Do you think N. Koreas moves are justified? :upyours:

Peace just mellow out man. Why does what I think make you so angry if I am wrong I am wrong I have no power in the world why do opinions make people so mad. I can not stop or start a war I do not understand why people get all emotional over words and what people think. Maybe you had a bad child hood and I am sorry for that. This is just words on a screen how do they have the power to make you so mad?

I believe that Korea should be searched for nuclear weapons, but that it should be done peacfully. Especially since there is the possibility that they DO have the weapons they claim to. Last thing we want no is a nuclear WWIII

I give at least some of the blame for the regime to the iranian people, though. It was their goddamn revolution.

Even the ones who were not alive at the time how are they to blame?

Purplelover, I hate to be a diplomat in these sort of situations, since it often blows up in said peacemaker's face, but some people are passionate about ideas. We are human after all, and passion is in our nature.

Gretavass, even Kimmie Jong isn't idiotic enough to use those weapons of his. France alone could easily level North Korea in an hour or so, not to mention the combined nuclear might of NATO.

Besides, North Korea depends on food supplies from other countries, and launching a nuclear attack would do far more than alienate them.

The sad fact of the matter is that all too often this is the case. A recent survey showed that 7/10 average americans couldn't find Iraq, or even Louisiana, on a map! Also, many seem to have decided that theirs is the only language on earth. More and more people are beginning to think that, when (if by some chance they happen to) they visit another country, everyone really speaks english, but is just pertending not to. God forbid you should learn three words of french, cantonease, or whatever.

Maybe they should include me in their hunt for idiots next time and they might be shocked to find someone who knows that Iran isn't located where Australia is. I grow tired of being classified as some ignorant, misinformed fool or a liberal pansy who should get out of the United States and live in Iran; it is too hot there damn it. =P

And I don't believe he has a valid point in the first place. Amerika sucks so much I won't even bother to spell it correctly. Everyone in the governments retarded. I'm going to pull all my references from such liberal sites as antiwar.com. So Al-Gore, what's your opinion on Korea, eh

So you are saying that the pictures are false just because they are on antiwar.com? North Korea (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=200578) is an awful place to live totally differant than Iran.

They are indeed backwards -
http://www.ekurd.net/temppix/thisisislam/thisisislam.htm
(abit hard to watch, beware)

They are indeed backwards -
http://www.ekurd.net/temppix/thisisislam/thisisislam.htm
(abit hard to watch, beware)

That is indeed backwards and cruel I can not defend that. But how will bombing Iran make it any better?

I am saying that to claim "WOW LOOK THEY GOT FANCY BUILDINGS! THEY MUST BE GOOD PEOPLE"
is just wrong
they execute teenagers for nothing
remove arms and legs of people with nearly no trial at all
women are nothing there
its a terrible country
And if they do develop nuclear weapons, and do sponser terrorism
we should bomb the crap out of them

I respect and honor Iran's lovely people and modern infrastructure. I still want to bomb the shit out of it, though.

Where is "Amerika"? I've never heard of it.I think it's a small town somewhere in the Netherlands; in the province of Brabant, I think.

Really that is what you would think it is when the media talking heads say we should blow it off the face of the earth (http://mediamatters.org/items/200603100008).


O'Reilly isn't the first person I'd turn to to discover what is sane.

I am saying that to claim "WOW LOOK THEY GOT FANCY BUILDINGS! THEY MUST BE GOOD PEOPLE"
is just wrong
they execute teenagers for nothing
minorities are nothing there
its a terrible country
They have nuclear weapons already
we should bomb the crap out of them
With just a couple of changes that could describe the US. You don't have a monopoly on moral 'rightness'. Or wrongness either.
Oh, and as I suspected, the kid getting his arm run over by a truck is a fake. Well, to be more accurate, it's a stunt, not a punishment. Here: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2005/10/the_week_in_isr.html

If nukes are so bad, why doesn't the US make a gesture and decommission, oh let's 90% of its arsenal?

I am saying that to claim "WOW LOOK THEY GOT FANCY BUILDINGS! THEY MUST BE GOOD PEOPLE"
is just wrong
they execute teenagers for nothing
remove arms and legs of people with nearly no trial at all
women are nothing there
its a terrible country
And if they do develop nuclear weapons, and do sponser terrorism
we should bomb the crap out of them

Who is they?

Maybe they should include me in their hunt for idiots next time and they might be shocked to find someone who knows that Iran isn't located where Australia is. I grow tired of being classified as some ignorant, misinformed fool or a liberal pansy who should get out of the United States and live in Iran; it is too hot there damn it. =P



No, the people who should get the hell out of my country and go live in Iran are the ones who think turning this country into a theocracy is a good idea.

I respect and honor Iran's lovely people and modern infrastructure. I still want to bomb the shit out of it, though.


Why stop there? We should bomb the shit out of every country in the world. :rolleyes:

Why stop there? We should bomb the shit out of every country in the world. :rolleyes:

That's crazy. Most of the world doesn't have oil... I mean terrorists.

Why stop there? We should bomb the shit out of every country in the world. :rolleyes:


See? Thats what I been saying. Just bomb the fuck outta all people. I mean, why not? It'll only end with basically everyone dead, and thats the goal I'm lookin' for here.

In Amerika we are being told about how barbaric and backwards the Iranians are. Here (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) you can see some pictures of how Iran truly is it is not the backwards wasteland that is portrayed in the Amerikan media.


Najs. Now, lets nuke it anyway.

Why stop there? We should bomb the shit out of every country in the world. :rolleyes:Every? Starting with your own? ;)

Every? Starting with your own? ;)

No, silly, then you blow up your own bombs. Bomb your country last. If the rest of the world doesn't do it for you, that is.

I am saying that to claim "WOW LOOK THEY GOT FANCY BUILDINGS! THEY MUST BE GOOD PEOPLE"
is just wrong
they execute teenagers for nothing
remove arms and legs of people with nearly no trial at all
women are nothing there
its a terrible country
And if they do develop nuclear weapons, and do sponser terrorism
we should bomb the crap out of them


Just don't judge the people of Iran by their oppressive government. I can honestly tell you that the Iranian populace is more likely to welcome the Americans with roses and open arms, than to fight them to the death, like you are witnessing in Iraq. They are some of the friendliest people that you'll ever meet. If GWB does decide to take military action, I really do hope that the US can keep better control over their soldiers. There is nothing worse to spark hatred in an otherwise friendly population, than when an invading force starts to kill and abuse civilians. Maybe it would help if the punishments fit the crime, but then that is just my opinion. During the old days in South Africa, if a soldier was caught doing half the stuff the soldiers in Iraq is accused of, he would be punished so severely that the rest of the soldiers would think ten times before pulling stunts like that.

Maybe it was the strict discipline that made NATO rate a South African infantryman's military usefulness and capabilities higher than an American one. :D

But those days are long over. The new SA defence force are barely qualified to be security guards at a mall, and is as likely to rape any woman they see as they are of breathing oxygen!

I digress.... :confused:

In Amerika we are being told about how barbaric and backwards the Iranians are. Here (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) you can see some pictures of how Iran truly is it is not the backwards wasteland that is portrayed in the Amerikan media.
There's a difference between 'is developing nuclear weapons' and 'is trapped in the Middle Ages'.

Holy fucking shit!

I'm not entirely sure, but I think I just saw an emo chick. Bomb the fuckers now! But seriously, nice country, shame about the leader.

EDIT: W00t! An Aimbot is me!

There's a difference between 'is developing nuclear weapons' and 'is trapped in the Middle Ages'.

Why can Amerika who has more nukes than anyone tell Iran they can not have nukes?

Why can Amerika who has more nukes than anyone tell Iran they can not have nukes?

You just answered your own question.

Why can Amerika who has more nukes than anyone tell Iran they can not have nukes?

Because might makes right, regardless of your moral stance or integrity. The same could be said if the situation was reversed, and I am sure it would have been. The king of the hill won't give up his position easily.

You just answered your own question.
I think he means what right do they have to say so... But you're right.
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Gretavass, even Kimmie Jong isn't idiotic enough to use those weapons of his. France alone could easily level North Korea in an hour or so, not to mention the combined nuclear might of NATO.

Besides, North Korea depends on food supplies from other countries, and launching a nuclear attack would do far more than alienate them.

I completely disagree. I think that if Jong feels that we're hostile and may attack him like we did Iraq, he's going to to try to take as many of us (the rest of the world) with him

Najs. Now, lets nuke it anyway.

It is this kind of thought that got us where we are now...

It is this kind of thought that got us where we are now...


We got here because they got nuclear aspirations.

Where we have to go from here is to the point that other nations understand that having nuclear aspirations mean that the Powers-That-Be end your existence.

small remark on something i read a few pages back: UN intervention

it is an option, and maybe a good one, however, the question you realy have to ask here is "where do you stop"

if the UN interferes at iran, it should storm guantanamo bay, china, north korea, and lots of other "modern" countries too

You cant demand that the UN respect your autonomy and sovereignity and demand they dont respect that of others.

Yes, N-Korea may have dangerous weapons. So far they dont seem overly inclined to use them, only threathen with them, so they have some national security. Just like Russia, USA... and Iran

Ofcourse, such an arms race is terrible and always ends in war, at least usualy. So, to show Iran and N-Korea they dont need those nuclear missiles, I suggest the USA and allies disarm any nuclear warhead they have. [edit] since russia is not an ally, I will include the suggestion that Russia and it's allies disarm too

It is, after all, hypocrisy to claim noone may develop nuclear warheads but keep a big supply ready and set to bully others into cooperation. Note that this is not limited to nuclear arms. I, personaly, cannot blaim any nation currently not on good standing with the USA that wants to ensure the USA won't attack them. They attacked 2 sovereign nations so far (this is not reality, but their opnion, do not attack me for it)


sidenote: if my spelling or grammar is not perfect, do not attack me on that. I'm not a native english speaker, besides, grammar and spelling are not the main components of my posts. These are the points I make and the arguments I give. If you choose to attack grammar and spelling instead, you only show that you can not attack the arguments, in my opinion. This not only goes for my posts, but for others too.

In my country, America is spelled Amerika. Now tell me why I am wrong and you are right, if that bothers you, and why it matters to your understanding of the word if it is spelled with a c or k

It is, after all, hypocrisy to claim noone may develop nuclear warheads but keep a big supply ready and set to bully others into cooperation. It would be hypocricy, if not for the non-proliferation treaty signed by among others Iran and North Korea (afaik), stating that they would not in fact devellop nuclear weapons. There's nothing hypocritical about keeping people to their word.

In Amerika we are being told about how barbaric and backwards the Iranians are. Here (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) you can see some pictures of how Iran truly is it is not the backwards wasteland that is portrayed in the Amerikan media.I dunno. I find the prospect that classical music is almost completely outlawed because it is too Western as barbaric, but that's just me...

It would be hypocricy, if not for the non-proliferation treaty signed by among others Iran and North Korea (afaik), stating that they would not in fact devellop nuclear weapons. There's nothing hypocritical about keeping people to their word.Iran isn't claiming to be producing nuclear weapons. The things they want to do will render them capable of doing so, but are still legal within the framework. The reason there is so much ruckus about it is because the international community has plenty of reasons not to believe the Iranian government that peaceful purposes are all it wants nuclear power for.

How is the patriot act, wire tapping citzens and supporting torture of prisoners not evil? Amerika
looks better to me like the way an empire should spell it name.

I´d rather go for a country who allows me to choose even a stupid leader than a Country rulled by religious leaders who imposes me a lunatic leader.
Basic and flagrant difference for those who seem to be distracted and missing the point: freedom of speech, democracy.
(to set the record clear, I am not an american)

Why can Amerika who has more nukes than anyone tell Iran they can not have nukes?
What does that have to do with my point? In case you missed it: my point is that the West doesn't claim Iran is technologically backward, as evidenced by claims of Iran developing nuclear weapons. Whether or not they should be allowed to develop these weapons is a tangential issue.

How is the patriot act, wire tapping citzens and supporting torture of prisoners not evil? Amerika
looks better to me like the way an empire should spell it name.I see. And what makes "Amerika" so much more imperial than "America"? Is it the allusion to the German spelling?

No one said the acutally country and most of its people were bad. They're not. Sure the country needs a widespread unbiast education system and maybe a new leader ( I propose myself if no one else is volunteering...imagine how much you could annoy Bush, endless hours of fun)

In Amerika we are being told about how barbaric and backwards the Iranians are. Here (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) you can see some pictures of how Iran truly is it is not the backwards wasteland that is portrayed in the Amerikan media.


No sane thoughtfull or educated person that lives in the US see's Iran as a backward nor barbaric country . YOU seem to be the one who gets that impression.

Iran is suffering from a hangover from its revolution..and as soon as they figure out who and what they want to be and who they want in power..then we will see the true Iran.

Right now they seem to be bent on becoming a destroyed war mongering threat to the area.,. By supprting terrorist to attack other countries ...publicly declaring that they will wipe another nation off the map...telling the rest of the world to go fuck themselves when they break a treaty on NUKES...and generally just letting that nut they call a president open his mouth.

One way or another iran can still become a backward hellhole and waste land..or they can become a true Islamic republic and a democracy and an example to the region .

First they need to chill...and get rid of the whacko .

What are the people doing?

Building nuclear weapons, building ICBMs, threatening Europe that if they don't take back the Jews, they'll wipe Israel off the face of the earth on their own.

Supplying over 100,000 rockets to Hezbollah, so their terrorist proxy can shoot at Israel, while they claim that it's only the work of oppressed Arabs. Financing suicide bombers, and paying their families money in exchange for having young Muhammed blow himself up in a crowded market killing women and children.

You know. Deliberately beginning enforced gasoline rationing in advance of the latest troubles, giving you some indication that they knew all of this was about to happen, and that they were ready for it to start.

Homosexuals can still be stoned to death, juvenile offenders can be savagely beaten, dissenters and minorities can be imprisoned, people can be beaten for listening to Western music and women can still be murdered for being raped in front of skyscrapers and highways just as easily as they can be in front of ancient Persian ruins or in the center of archaic villages.

Iran is a backward, impoverished, and repressive country. There's no arguing it.

Yay! Potemkin village syndrome!

What are the people doing?
executing gays, executing little girls who were raped for being promiscuous, imprisoning journalists, and other fun activities

its called a city, even the most backwards of countries today have a city that in some way resembles a city from the "west"

and it is almost a garuntee that you will find the golden arches in one of these cities

No they are not nearly as civilized as Amerika's allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Those are also barbaric nations.

OOOh, I'm all edgy and radical by spelling America with a K. The only thing more edgy and cool would be to spell it "Amerikkka" and use dollar signs instead of the letter S when writing U$A. Look how cool and revolutionary I am!

Those are also barbaric nations.
At least Pakistan is trying to make some improvements. They're failing miserably, but Musharraf is indeed trying. The corruption built into the Pakistani intelligence services, though, is extreme, and makes real steps forward nigh impossible.

This is probably the capital, which is why it looks so nice. Care to see some pics of the other 97% of Iran??? It would look like the first one. Parts of Baghdad are beautiful also, with expensive buildings, and public places. However, most of Iraq is a third world shithole...



PS,, the only reason the capitol looks nice is because the crazy leader wastes so much money on it, and doesnt give a shit about the rest of the population which lives outside of it.

OOOh, I'm all edgy and radical by spelling America with a K. The only thing more edgy and cool would be to spell it "Amerikkka" and use dollar signs instead of the letter S when writing U$A. Look how cool and revolutionary I am!
Actually, the origin of the dollar sign is that of a monogram for ther letters U & S.

At least Pakistan is trying to make some improvements. They're failing miserably, but Musharraf is indeed trying. The corruption built into the Pakistani intelligence services, though, is extreme, and makes real steps forward nigh impossible.
Too bad he doesn't have the wisdom and foresight to use his nuclear weapons against his own population. That would eliminate almost all of the radical religious element in his country. Sure it would kill almost all of the non-crazies, but that's a price I'm willing to pay.

LMAO that forum you posted to has to be the worst forum ever. they didnt even as so much try to argue. they just pretty much went along and said "iran is great, America is bad". guess thats why your a poster there

No they are not nearly as civilized as Amerika's allies like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
Saudi Arabia, civilized? Hardly. Human Rights in Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia)

Homosexuals can still be stoned to death, juvenile offenders can be savagely beaten, dissenters and minorities can be imprisoned, people can be beaten for listening to Western music and women can still be murdered for being raped in front of skyscrapers and highways just as easily as they can be in front of ancient Persian ruins or in the center of archaic villages.

Iran is a backward, impoverished, and repressive country. There's no arguing it.

Who is it on this forum that asks if it's possible to "moderately" stone someone to death?

Yes, Iran has some very nice buildings. Well maintained roads and what looks like a sizeable amount of infrastructure set up to make life easier for its people. However, Iran also has a religiously fanatical madman who denies the holocaust and refuses to cease production of nuclear weapons. A madman who supplies known terrorists with thousands of missiles with which to strike at civilian targets. I have no problem with the Iranian people, just as the average Iranian person would have no problem with me (or I would hope) However, I do have a problem with them having a ruler like that. Not to mention the atrocities they commit based on their laws (quite a few mentioned earlier, so I’m not going to bother)

Of course, at the same time I have no problem with the average Korean citizen, the standard Syrian or any Iraqi who was not currently or intending to kill me just because of where I’m from.

In those cases as well, it is the leadership which is proving to be the major problem.

Chances are, somebody will come back with "Bush and America are just as bad. Look at Abu graib *or however you spell it* and gitmo! Look at the Iraq war and all the civvies killed there!" Yea, A few soldiers did something stupid at a prison. We force fed terrorists at a camp so they could not starve themselves to death, we have used far more humane "torture" then most middle eastern nations could even conceive. Yes, its still torture but sometimes that’s the only thing that works. Of course, people would take a biased view on the Iraq war; they work with what the media gives them. This is the same media that imbeds cameramen with the terrorists, pays them and takes pictures of them trying to kill American troops so... Nah... They couldn’t be biased.

Next time you want to quote the 7/10 Americans cant find ^%& on a map... try going outside and asking actual people instead of just using some stat put up by some group. God only knows where they did their survey... for all we know it could have been in the apachalan mountains way up in the hills... (Not an insult to anybody who lives there, you live your life... I live mine) Or, look at it this way. Can you find Iraq on a map? Can your 3 closest friends find Iraq on a map? Go ask 6 of your other friends if they can too, chances are more then 2 of them will be able to. That ruins the curve right there.

But, at the same time, why don’t you go to Iraq and ask some poor Kurdish female child who has just began her education in a School WE built, after getting medicine from a hospital WE built what the capitol of Iowa or Ohio is. They may not know now, but at least they have a chance of an education, where they are not excluded because of their religion and where they don’t have to worry about having a loved one murdered by sad dam’s children just because they wanted her.

(Granted. She might have to worry about some sick US soldier... but he is being dealt with along with his friends who covered it up... See? We actually punish those soldiers and people who do things wrong. Amazing huh?)

But, as I started with, Iran does look nice. I would hate to have to see it blown up by Israel if they prove that Iran is supplying Hesbolah with weapons.

Who is it on this forum that asks if it's possible to "moderately" stone someone to death?

Me.

Zero Shari'a Tolerance.

We got here because they got nuclear aspirations.

Where we have to go from here is to the point that other nations understand that having nuclear aspirations mean that the Powers-That-Be end your existence.
Since when hasthe US become a god? And what happens if another country, North Korea, for example, feels threatend by our attack. Iran doesn't even have nukes yet. North Korea may, and probably does. Its Kim Jong we should be worried about, not the Ayatollah.

Since when hasthe US become a god? And what happens if another country, North Korea, for example, feels threatend by our attack. Iran doesn't even have nukes yet. North Korea may, and probably does. Its Kim Jong we should be worried about, not the Ayatollah.


Having a load of nukes + veto makes you a geopolitical God.

US - UK - France - Russia - PRC.

Other nations are statistics. Plain and simple.

In Amerika we are being told about how barbaric and backwards the Iranians are. Here (http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=32) you can see some pictures of how Iran truly is it is not the backwards wasteland that is portrayed in the Amerikan media.
sorry, never heard that about Iranians, or anyone from the MiddleEast.

Since when hasthe US become a god? And what happens if another country, North Korea, for example, feels threatend by our attack. Iran doesn't even have nukes yet. North Korea may, and probably does. Its Kim Jong we should be worried about, not the Ayatollah.
North Korea isn't a state sponsor of terrorism. Iran is the world's biggest state sponsor of terrorism and probably instigated the Hezbollah attack that resulted in the current Israel/lebanon war. If you think Lil' Kim is a bigger threat than Iran you're too high to be allowed to post here.

Yes, its still torture but sometimes that’s the only thing that works.

Yes, but you see, the US has a few little documents. you may have heard of them. The Constitution? The Bill of Rights? More specificaly the 8th ammendment, which reads, "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."





On a differant note, America, Amerika, or however you want to spell it, is not the name of our country! America includes Canada, Brazil, Peru, and about thirty more countries!

If you think Lil' Kim is a bigger threat than Iran you're too high to be allowed to post here.
Hey, i am perfectly entitled to my own opinion, as you are, without having to listen to abuse.

Hey, i am perfectly entitled to my own opinion, as you are, without having to listen to abuse.
Come on now, that's not abuse. I didn't insult your mother, I didn't claim that you have sex with barnyard animals, I didn't even call you an asshole or an idiot. You need to develop a thicker skin.

Having a load of nukes + veto makes you a geopolitical God.

US - UK - France - Russia - PRC.

Other nations are statistics. Plain and simple.
Touche, but that doesnt give them the right to abuse that power.

Touche, but that doesnt give them the right to abuse that power.


How can you stop 'em?

Above a certain level of Schreckligkeit, you define what 'right' actually means.

I'm not offended. I just dont enjoy trying to make a decent point and be told I'm smoking hashish.

How can you stop 'em?

Above a certain level of Schreckligkeit, you define what 'right' actually means.
Schreckligkeit? anyeway, my point is, as stupid as this sounds even in my head, it should be their responsibility.

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Yes. that would infer that if I did something wrong, My legs wouldnt get cut off for it. *cough*

Just as Terrorisim happens, Torture does as well. at least we have stepped away from the finger breaking, burning, branding tortures. Now we just make them eat 3 meals a day and occasionally be uncomfortable for a while.

The Rack or Iron Maiden got nothin on us now!

On a differant note, America, Amerika, or however you want to spell it, is not the name of our country! America includes Canada, Brazil, Peru, and about thirty more countries!

Federal Republic of Germany
United States of America

United States is the political entity, America is the name of the country.

America, North and South are the names of the Continents. the United States of America (indicating a group of united states on the continent america) or USA is the country.

Federal Republic of Germany
United States of America

United States is the political entity, America is the name of the country.

Well, it could be argued that Germany isn't also the name of two continents. Although you have a point: when people talk about America, everyone knows that they mean the USA.

Well, it could be argued that Germany isn't also the name of two continents. Although you have a point: when people talk about America, everyone knows that they mean the USA.

That's true. However the names of the continents are North and South America, not just America; I think it has to do with the fact that the US was the only independent nation in the New World at the time the name United States of America was chosen.

I'm not offended. I just dont enjoy trying to make a decent point and be told I'm smoking hashish.
Well I don't think it was a decent point and I expressed my opinion in my own special way.

Schreckligkeit? anyeway, my point is, as stupid as this sounds even in my head, it should be their responsibility.


They're making it their responsibility.
And when they do it, you don't like the outcome.

If nukes are so bad, why doesn't the US make a gesture and decommission, oh let's 90% of its arsenal?I believe that all countries should destroy all of their nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen--especially considering that our leader (and the leaders of many other nuclear powers) is a stubborn idiot and wants to keep nukes to have leverage over other countries. Decommissioning the majority of nuclear weapons would certainly be a step in the right direction--but is, once again, a step the U.S. isn't likely to take, because Bush is a powerhungry fucktard.
executing gays, executing little girls who were raped for being promiscuous, imprisoning journalists, and other fun activitiesNot any more than the American people are torturing prisoners and massacring Iraqi civilians. There's a huge difference between the people of any country and their government.

I believe that all countries should destroy all of their nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen--especially considering that our leader (and the leaders of many other nuclear powers) is a stubborn idiot and wants to keep nukes to have leverage over other countries. Decommissioning the majority of nuclear weapons would certainly be a step in the right direction--but is, once again, a step the U.S. isn't likely to take, because Bush is a powerhungry fucktard.

K, lets break this down. Part 1
I believe that all countries should destroy all of their nuclear weapons.

Noble idea, i'm guessing you would like people to destroy all the guns, tanks and bombs in the world too? perhaps.. all the knives and swords? pointy sticks? big rocks?

Unfortunately, that's not likely to happen--especially considering that our leader (and the leaders of many other nuclear powers) is a stubborn idiot and wants to keep nukes to have leverage over other countries.

Besides the pointless insult directed at somebody who will never read these boards and if he did, would probably care less.. Yes, thats the exact reason we DO keep these weapons. Imagine if you will that we did destroy all the nuclear weapons in the world. Looks all good right? Then somebody like Kim Jong decides to build one, in secret of course (not much of an imagination required there) Now, this psyco dictator has the world's only nuke and no countries can defend against it. That works out great for him. We need the nukes, they are the proverbial "big stick" do you honostly think israel would still be around if they didnt have nuclear weapons?

Decommissioning the majority of nuclear weapons would certainly be a step in the right direction-


Yes, this would be a great thing to do, but inspections would have to be done to make sure that everybody did it. of course we would all keep some hidden in bunkers. humans are untrustworthy like that. Hey, and then we could use all that nuc material to build more power plants.. if only the Dems would let us.

but is, once again, a step the U.S. isn't likely to take, because Bush is a powerhungry fucktard.

Once again, a pointless insult probably based around the image given to you by the mainstream media, your liberal teachers and the constant bashing in general society. Good job.

*edit* almost forgot..
Not any more than the American people are torturing prisoners and massacring Iraqi civilians. There's a huge difference between the people of any country and their government.


Let me just fill in a few things there for ya.. i think you missed some words and mistyped a few things

Not any more than A few unethical and now punished soldiers Were torturing prisoners and Helping Iraqi civilians while Terrorists set off bombs in public places killing women and children intentionally. There's a huge difference between the people of any country and their government, especially when its a non-democratic dictatorship
Back to the topic at hand.

Yes, Iran is nice. Very nice to look at and probably quite nice to visit (provided your not american or israli).
It reminds of me of Nazi Germany, where it was probably quite nice as well to be in if you were white, german, straight and not jewish. Looks do not mean anything nowdays. Case in point would be my mechanics house, They immagrated here from mexico years ago. From the Outside the house does not look so good. Parts everywhere, wood, metal.. literally everywhere. The inside? Mostly clean.. but its Nice there, they are a kind, helpful friendly family.

Outside- Not so nice
Inside where it counts - Supurb

Iran Outside - pretty good
Inside- Well. if your not of the chosen type.. not so good.

Iran is the world's biggest state sponsor of terrorism.actually.. that would be US. ;)

actually.. that would be US. ;)

They're not terrorists, they're "resistance fighters". ;)

Or, if you prefer, it's an "incursion" when our allies do it and a "terrorist attack" when our enemies do it.

Please, do me a favor and post a link of current terrorist groups the US government is sponsoring?

Please, do me a favor and post a link of current terrorist groups the US government is sponsoring?lest do it one at a time shall we?

I am going to start with this one (its the largest and very well known one):

www.cia.gov

I didnt say groups that sponsor terrorists. I said individual groups. Just saying - Cia.gov is a waste of time. Try again. I can do that too.. Here is a group that pays terrorists and takes their pictures. www.nytimes.com