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What would've happened had Al Gore kept the US Presidency? What type of world would we live in now had the US elections not been rigged? If there was a leader in the US who actually gave a damn about what happened in the environment, what would this planet be like now?

I have just seen Al Gore's movie- An Inconvenient Truth -and it sent an incredibly strong message. Not just about a political problem that the current US Administration seems to be ignoring, but one that we can all contribute to. Perhaps, if all of us NationStates members show our opinions to people, we can make a tiny difference. I doubt that, though!

I want to see all of your truthful opinions, even though you can be whoever you want to be in this game. I'll probably get a lot of flack here, but I think most people from Europe and the UK will agree with me. And those of you who live on the east and west coasts of the US.

If you want to goof off or be "yelling" (a little hard to do when typing) and swearing, I suggest you find somewhere else to do it, please.

What would've happened had Al Gore kept the US Presidency? What type of world would we live in now had the US elections not been rigged? If there was a leader in the US who actually gave a damn about what happened in the environment, what would this planet be like now?

Oh God... please...The elections were not rigged, The Democrats lost, get over it!


I have just seen Al Gore's movie- An Inconvenient Truth -and it sent an incredibly strong message. Not just about a political problem that the current US Administration seems to be ignoring, but one that we can all contribute to. Perhaps, if all of us NationStates members show our opinions to people, we can make a tiny difference. I doubt that, though!

Actually I've heard reports that scienctist are denoucing Al Gore movie for not actually using real and variable data. In another words, Al used funny science to foward his adgenda.


I want to see all of your truthful opinions, even though you can be whoever you want to be in this game. I'll probably get a lot of flack here, but I think most people from Europe and the UK will agree with me. And those of you who live on the east and west coasts of the US.

Hey, what about us in the middle?


If you want to goof off or be "yelling" (a little hard to do when typing) and swearing, I suggest you find somewhere else to do it, please.

Nah, not me.

Virtually everything would be the same.

Most of the things going on right now have occured independent from US policies; Iran and North Korea would still be defiant and the Middle East would still be unstable. Economically, energy prices would be as high as they are now and we would still be facing large trade and budget deficits along with high debt burdens. The unemployment rate would be at the same level, the job market and productivity growing at similar rates, and incomes would still be up while real wages are threatened by inflation.

Oh God... please...The elections were not rigged, The Democrats lost, get over it!

Those voting machines were rigged. There was something in the news about a voting machine that was set way over the actual amount of people who voted and plenty for Bush. If this wasn't done by Bush, then it was done by a fan!

Actually I've heard reports that scienctist are denoucing Al Gore movie for not actually using real and variable data. In another words, Al used funny science to foward his adgenda.

Some people just can't accept what will most likely happen. Hey- we'll find out soon enough, won't we?

Hey, what about us in the middle?

There's a poll for that.

Virtually everything would be the same.

Iraq?

Those voting machines were rigged. There was something in the news about a voting machine that was set way over the actual amount of people who voted and plenty for Bush. If this wasn't done by Bush, then it was done by a fan!

Well, if you can find an unbiased report that the election machines were rigged, I'll be more than happy to read it.

Iraq?

Virtually everything.

Most of the problems today would have occured independent of US involvement in Iraq; for example, the effect the war had on oil prices would have still occured because of declining production in Iraq stemming from decaying infrastructure and the sanctions.

Virtually everything would be the same.

Most of the things going on right now have occured independent from US policies; Iran and North Korea would still be defiant and the Middle East would still be unstable.

The US is an enormous part of the world economy. If we started doing something about this, then it would make a pretty good impact. But you are right about the Middle East, Iran, and North Korea. Since they've got a lot of problems of their own, they'd probably take a while to convince.

Economically, energy prices would be as high as they are now and we would still be facing large trade and budget deficits along with high debt burdens.

Ah- Al Gore wanted to begin converting energy sources and bringing in more hybrid cars! That does help us a bit, now doesn't it?

The unemployment rate would be at the same level, the job market and productivity growing at similar rates, and incomes would still be up while real wages are threatened by inflation.

Well Bush hasn't helped that at all, now has he?

Well, if you can find an unbiased report that the election machines were rigged, I'll be more than happy to read it.

It was on an unbiased news channel. If I can find you an article, I'll send it to you.

Virtually everything.

Most of the problems today would have occured independent of US involvement in Iraq; for example, the effect the war had on oil prices would have still occured because of declining production in Iraq stemming from decaying infrastructure and the sanctions.

What I said about separate fuel sources and hybrids.

Well, if you can find an unbiased report that the election machines were rigged, I'll be more than happy to read it.
It's not that the 2000 elections were rigged, but rather that there were systematic irregularities in voting patterns that indicated a stolen election. For example, roadblocks were put up in black neighborhoods that prevented their (largely Democratic) votes from being counted in the Florida election. Further, black males who had committed no crime were on the "felon" list and were prevented from voting. And those are just a subsection of a subsection...the 2000 election would unquestionably have been won by Al Gore had it been fair.

I'd have to say I like Bush better than Gore because Gore seems to be outright retarded whilst Bush is just American

so I guess America might be worse off under Gore but either way his new movie is filled with the usual crap that has been exaggerated to the extreme in a time when we no little to nothing about the subject and yet still failing in its mission because deep down not a soul cares about the world in a few hundred years time.

Kind of messed up your theory of Europeans agreeing with you eh most likely because in Europe the politicians use the environment as there device to install fear so it seems like we care more

The biggest inconvenient truth these days for me is that the Democrats want to dump someone who was their Vice Presidential candidate in 2000.

Give'em hell, Joe!

(I've voted for Lieberman for Senator three times now...)

What I said about seperate fuel sources and hybrids.

and Bush says were going to Mars same crap different target audience

It's not that the 2000 elections were rigged, but rather that there were systematic irregularities in voting patterns that indicated a stolen election. For example, roadblocks were put up in black neighborhoods that prevented their (largely Democratic) votes from being counted in the Florida election. Further, black males who had committed no crime were on the "felon" list and were prevented from voting. And those are just a subsection of a subsection...the 2000 election would unquestionably have been won by Al Gore had it been fair.

Have an unbiased source to back this up?

It's not that the 2000 elections were rigged, but rather that there were systematic irregularities in voting patterns that indicated a stolen election. For example, roadblocks were put up in black neighborhoods that prevented their (largely Democratic) votes from being counted in the Florida election. Further, black males who had committed no crime were on the "felon" list and were prevented from voting. And those are just a subsection of a subsection...the 2000 election would unquestionably have been won by Al Gore had it been fair.

Right you are!

The US is an enormous part of the world economy. If we started doing something about this, then it would make a pretty good impact. But you are right about the Middle East, Iran, and North Korea. Since they've got a lot of problems of their own, they'd probably take a while to convince.

But a lot of the effects of the world and US economy occur independent of the President or government. I think they would have still turned out similar.

Ah- Al Gore wanted to begin converting energy sources and bringing in more hybrid cars! That does help us a bit, now doesn't it?

Maybe if he had done so in the 1990's. Unfortunately, plunging oil/natural gas prices created a false sense of security in the Clinton Administration that has now proven to be a serious problem in the 21st century. At the same time, the Republican Congress handicapped such initiatives and the public was willfully ignorant of such issues due to cheap oil and natural gas.

Thankfully, many of the things he wanted are being done by private companies because rising oil and gas prices and falling costs have made them cost competitive. Were alternatives implemented earlier, we might have avoided the rise in prices as well as built the infrastructure; either way, we're making changes that are for the better.

Well Bush hasn't helped that at all, now has he?

Not much he can do. The economy's performance lies much more with the Federal Reserve and private businesses than the US Government. Ironically, stronger world economic and job growth have driven up demand for oil and other commodities which in turn erodes the purchasing power of consumers.

What would've happened had Al Gore kept the US Presidency? What type of world would we live in now had the US elections not been rigged? If there was a leader in the US who actually gave a damn about what happened in the environment, what would this planet be like now?

I have just seen Al Gore's movie- An Inconvenient Truth -and it sent an incredibly strong message. Not just about a political problem that the current US Administration seems to be ignoring, but one that we can all contribute to. Perhaps, if all of us NationStates members show our opinions to people, we can make a tiny difference. I doubt that, though!

I want to see all of your truthful opinions, even though you can be whoever you want to be in this game. I'll probably get a lot of flack here, but I think most people from Europe and the UK will agree with me. And those of you who live on the east and west coasts of the US.

If you want to goof off or be "yelling" (a little hard to do when typing) and swearing, I suggest you find somewhere else to do it, please.

I am always warry of politicised science. After all, look at what happened with Eugenics. In the US, it was all the vougue to go around preaching the greatness of Eugenics, until Hitler was exposed at places like Buchenwald and Auschwitz.

Also, I have yet to hear from someone whose job it is to study paleo-climates AND modern day climates explain why the Earth was heating up before we got here. After all, If the Earth was 30% hotter than today in the Pre-Cambrian period, then what caused it. We weren't even far enough eveolved to be lizards yet.

The thing is that Geoge is more along the lines of Theodore Roosevelt in terms of the enviroment. Conserve it, keep it beautiful, but do not be afraid of Urban Sprawl.

Besides, of all the evidence I have seen, from grap[hs that show sudden drops in CO2 levels while the temp kept right on chuggin upwards, to info on what Volcanoes produce (on average, more harmful materials in a single eruption then we send up in a decade) to the effects that even natural orbital shifts mean in the climate has mnade our miniscule contribution seem just that, miniscule, almost un note worthy.

Do I agree that we need to find different fuels? Yes. After all, what better way to rob our middle eastern enemies of their funds then remove the one thing we require. Also, it would mean that China had to deal with the Middle East, preventing them from helping spark WWIII by their invasion of Taiwan (Ask me about it if you want, the logic is sound, and scary).

The truth is, that their are two modes of orbit, eliptical and circular.

In an Eliptical orbit we get Ice Ages. In Circular Orbits we get Global Warming. Throw in the fact that we were in a mini Ice Age from 1350 - 1850, and that we are in a more circular orbit now then we were then, and you can see why Al Gore is an Idiot.

Oh, and about the election. If you can find evidence that it was actually rigged, please go ahead and bring it forawrd, but I am expecting MLA style source cites to support your assertions.

Have an unbiased source to back this up?

I think you're in love with that word. Anyway, you can look around on the internet for past articles all you want. I'm sure 75% of them will have those facts (not counting the ones by FOX News, heh heh).

Well, if you can find an unbiased report that the election machines were rigged, I'll be more than happy to read it.
Try harder.

I think you're in love with that word. Anyway, you can look around on the internet for past articles all you want. I'm sure 75% of them will have those facts (not counting the ones by FOX News, heh heh).

the idea is you back up your accusations with sources its not are job to go on a wild goose chase for you

I think you're in love with that word. Anyway, you can look around on the internet for past articles all you want. I'm sure 75% of them will have those facts (not counting the ones by FOX News, heh heh).

extraordinary cliams must have extraordinary evidence.

Let's apply Occam's Razor to this whole thing. Occam's Razor states that the simplist solution or answear is most often the correct one. So let's look at the theory to why Gore lost the 2000 debate

A.) The eletronic voting machines were rigged, blacks were held back from voting, etc.

B.) More people liked Bush than Gore, and thus more voted for him.

If we apply Occam's Razor to this debate, we would have to assume that B is the correct one.

extraordinary cliams must have extraordinary evidence.

Let's apply Occam's Razor to this whole thing. Occam's Razor states that the simplist solution or answear is most often the correct one. So let's look at the theory to why Gore lost the 2000 debate

A.) The eletronic voting machines were rigged, blacks were held back from voting, etc.

B.) More people liked Bush than Gore, and thus more voted for him.

If we apply Occam's Razor to this debate, we would have to assume that B is the correct one.
Occam's Razor worked great for stupid people too ... want to know why?

Occam's Razor worked great for stupid people too ... want to know why?

Most people don't understand Occam's Razor.

(Ironically, that statement used to explain why Occam works for stupid people is in itself a use of his Razor.)

extraordinary cliams must have extraordinary evidence.

Let's apply Occam's Razor to this whole thing. Occam's Razor states that the simplist solution or answear is most often the correct one. So let's look at the theory to why Gore lost the 2000 debate

A.) The eletronic voting machines were rigged, blacks were held back from voting, etc.

B.) More people liked Bush than Gore, and thus more voted for him.

If we apply Occam's Razor to this debate, we would have to assume that B is the correct one.

Assumptions are not answers. No one knows the exact answer. It seems a little suspicious that there were roadblocks in poor communities, though…

…and that the elections would come down to a state run by the guy’s brother.

I'm interested in what all of you think. I hope we've got a few more opinions when I come back tomorrow.

If we apply Occam's Razor to this debate, we would have to assume that B is the correct one.

Only if B gives us an answer that fits the facts.

Most people don't understand Occam's Razor.

(Ironically, that statement used to explain why Occam works for stupid people is in itself a use of his Razor.)
I luuuuuuuuv you. ;)

Assumptions are not answers. No one knows the exact answer. It seems a little suspicious that there were roadblocks in poor communities, though…

…and that the elections would come down to a state run by the guy’s brother.

once again, you say stuff like this, and show no evidence. Why can't you just accept the fact that Gore lost, plain and simple?

Wilgrove: insulated and ignorant. S'okay, let him be.

Global Warming: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us before we do any more damage than we already have.

Politics: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us before this does any more damage to us than it already has.

Wilgrove: insulated and ignorant. S'okay, let him be.Unless s/he votes. Not so insulated.

Global Warming: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us before we do any more damage than we already have.

Politics: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us before this does any more damage to us than it already has.Nicely worded.

Voting machines were rigged? SCOTUS stole the election for the Republicans? Please. The vote was not rigged, and if I hear one more person talk about how ALGORE won the popular vote I will lose my lunch. SCOTUS ruled on Federal Election law, which incidently was missapplied by the Florida Supreme Court, and correctly found in favor of Bush.
The popular vote - dang, does no-one take civics anymore? We have an electoral college which determines who will be president. The electoral college was established to ensure that ALL citizens vote was relevant. Is it any suprise that the densely populated states are blue? The greater the population density, the more government is percived to do for the citizenry, hence, votes for democrats which tend to favor larger government.
IF ALGORE were president we would have an executive branch which would favor increasing the size of the government......wait, we already have that - a grave disappointment.
IRAQ. Notwithstanding the "worlds" opinion - taking out Sadaam Hussein was the right thing to do, though we were a few years too late. Sadaam was not involved in terrorism? Where did Carlos the Jackel spend his retirement and die..........take one guess. Where did training camps exist that consisted of Boeing 747's to be used for hijacking training. Who was the only government to use WMD in the last 20 years...on its own people. Who agreed to PROVE to the world that it did not have WMDs?
(If you need some help, the answer to the above four questions is............naw, if you don't know you wouldn't believe the answer, but I'm guessing that the answer is the only word in the english language to not have a "u" after the letter "q")
Case closed.

Case closed.Not here. And not a lot of other places, either.
Nice first post though, nonetheless. Welcome to NS ... provided you aren't a puppet of sorts!

I think you're in love with that word. Anyway, you can look around on the internet for past articles all you want. I'm sure 75% of them will have those facts (not counting the ones by FOX News, heh heh).



the burden of proof is on you, it's not his job to prove your claims. You made them you prove them. Right now one would assume you have sqwat.

the burden of proof is on you, it's not his job to prove your claims. You made the you prove them. Right now one whould assume you have sqwat.
It should also be said that people who decide to get involved with threads of certain nature should also have some frame of reference/experience with which to compare/contrast and understand the discourse.
Making it not really his/her job to prove a lot of anything so much as to mention things that should already have been understood, given the nature of the thread. If need be, certainly some posters may bother by supplementing with links and references. But that's a bit pedantic at times.
Also the nature of some trollers is to belabour a point nauseatingly just to remain an irritation and distraction, which again makes it somewhat pedantic. The more complicated a thread nature, the more of some people need to try harder.

As for a stats quote, oh well - aren't about 75% of statistics made on the spot?

Well Bush hasn't helped that [unemployment rates, the economy, personal incomes] at all, now has he?

Um, actually, he has (except the unemployment rate):

US unemployment, December 2000 (just before Bush): 3.9%
US unemployment, highest point under Bush (June 2003): 6.3%
US unemployment, June 2006: 4.6%

Unemployment change under Bush: +0.7% (+2.4% to June 2003, -1.7% since)

Real US GDP, 2000 (last pre-Bush year): $9,817,000,000,000
Real US GDP, 2005: $11,134,800,000,000

GDP change under Bush: +$1,317,800,000,000--gained every year from 2001-2005, at a rate of about 3% per year (widely considered the US economy's "speed limit")

Real GDP per capita, 2000: $34,788
Real GDP per capita, 2005: $37,523

Per capita GDP change under Bush: +$2,735--gained every year from 2001-2005, at a rate of about 1.5% per year

When you take into account the inestimable economic fallout from 9/11, I'd say these numbers are pretty damn impressive.

By the way, Asp Meridian, you may have seen "An Inconvenient Truth," but barely anybody else has--the movie made just over a million nationwide for the weekend of 7/7 to 7/9, good enough for 13th place. It's made about $5 million since it opened--all around, a box office dud. Besides, manmade CO2 counts for 0.28% of the total greenhouse effect, in my opinion---see my other posts and http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html for the evidence. "An Inconvenient Truth" was a hyped-up letdown of a slideshow by a man who has turned what should be an environmental issue into a political one, and very few swallowed its evidence as gospel, like you did. Apparently, its message wasn't strong enough for the vast majority of concerned Americans.

What would've happened had Al Gore kept the US Presidency? What type of world would we live in now had the US elections not been rigged? If there was a leader in the US who actually gave a damn about what happened in the environment, what would this planet be like now?

I have just seen Al Gore's movie- An Inconvenient Truth -and it sent an incredibly strong message. Not just about a political problem that the current US Administration seems to be ignoring, but one that we can all contribute to. Perhaps, if all of us NationStates members show our opinions to people, we can make a tiny difference. I doubt that, though!

I want to see all of your truthful opinions, even though you can be whoever you want to be in this game.
One election isn't going to have any significant impact on the environment. Changing something that huge and that complex takes time, especially since you'll have to reverse centuries of wanton ignorance.

It's impossible to "keep" something you never had. The election wasn't "rigged," and Al Gore is a dweeb. :p

I think you're in love with that word. Anyway, you can look around on the internet for past articles all you want. I'm sure 75% of them will have those facts (not counting the ones by FOX News, heh heh).



And any source you present that says something he doesn't want to believe will be dismissed as "biased"

And any source you present that says something he doesn't want to believe will be dismissed as "biased"

Actually, if the source is unbiased (such as government source, the Election Board or Beru) I would accept it. But if it's from a widely known Democrat source, or from a Democrat blogger, yea it'll be counted as biased.

Actually, if the source is unbiased (such as government source, the Election Board or Beru) I would accept it. But if it's from a widely known Democrat source, or from a Democrat blogger, yea it'll be counted as biased.The problem IS the government source.
Try to keep up.
*shakes head*

1. Oh God... please...The elections were not rigged, The Democrats lost, get over it!

2. Actually I've heard reports that scienctist are denoucing Al Gore movie for not actually using real and variable data. In another words, Al used funny science to foward his adgenda.
1. Some people can't believe that anyone could possibly vote any way other than for their candidate.

2. And don't forget ... Mighty Al invented the Internet!

The problem IS the government source.
Try to keep up.
*shakes head*

No, the problem is, is that the Democrat party thinks that the general population is filled with brain dead idiots, and only The Democrat party knows what's best for this country. So, when your guy doesn't win, you can't accept the fact that maybe people don't like your party, so you try to come up with whatever bullshit reason to explain why your guy lost.

1. Some people can't believe that anyone could possibly vote any way other than for their candidate.

It's like the general population Isn't stupid, and CAN think for themselves! *gasp*, but then how will the Democrat decide what's best for us?! HOW?! :p

2. And don't forget ... Mighty Al invented the Internet!

Yea, but the porn sites perfected it.

Actually I've heard reports that scienctist are denoucing Al Gore movie for not actually using real and variable data. In another words, Al used funny science to foward his agenda.
Variable data is really more Rove and Cheney's territory. I suppose you probably mean VERIFIABLE, which is very different. At any rate, please support your claims in regards to the scientist thing.

On the other hand, maybe you're right. Maybe that part of the Antarctic ice shelf never melted... Maybe global temperature isn't going up at all and it's just a massive conspiracy of all the liberal left-wing scientists...

Seriously, anyone who tries to argue against global warming is an idiot and should never be let near anything resembling political power
Actually, if the source is unbiased (such as government source, the Election Board or Beru) I would accept it. But if it's from a widely known Democrat source, or from a Democrat blogger, yea it'll be counted as biased.
Even a biased source can be right. For example, I am biased against Nixon. If I claim that he was at fault in the Watergate scandal, am I wrong because I am biased?

Look at Florida. Bush's BROTHER was the governor. Katherine Harris had around 50,000 mainly black voters removed from the voting rolls, wrongly in most cases. They easily would have tipped the vote, had they not been DENIED THEIR RIGHT TO VOTE.

No, the problem is, is that the Democrat party thinks that the general population is filled with brain dead idiots, and only The Democrat party knows what's best for this country. So, when your guy doesn't win, you can't accept the fact that maybe people don't like your party, so you try to come up with whatever bullshit reason to explain why your guy lost.I'm not a democrat so fuck your stupid theory, bucko. Also - here's the cute part - you actually think you can say that the republicans AREN'T the "moral" party? You know - forcing their philosophy of lifestyle on the rest of the populace? Yep, you missed big.
Further, if you have a problem understanding what i'm telling you, feel free to review my post history. Come back when you've actually bothered learning something about it.

I'm not a democrat so fuck your stupid theory, bucko. Also - here's the cute part - you actually think you can say that the republicans AREN'T the "moral" party? You know - forcing their philosophy of lifestyle on the rest of the populace? Yep, you missed big.

Actually, I don't support the Republican either, I'm Libertarian

Further, if you have a problem understanding what i'm telling you, feel free to review my post history. Come back when you've actually bothered learning something about it.

Nah you're easy to understand.

1. It's like the general population Isn't stupid, and CAN think for themselves! *gasp*, but then how will the Democrat decide what's best for us?! HOW?! :p

2. Yea, but the porn sites perfected it.
1. Oh, they've already decided what's best for us, they just can't figure out how to convince the majority of the voters to put them in power so they can put it into practice. And of course, anyone who doesn't agree with their agenda just has to be stupid, even if it's a majority of the voters!

2. Hmm. Al Gore IS porn! :D

Actually, I don't support the Republican either, I'm Libertarian
Then stop sucking the repub teat, eh? You're making it THAT MUCH F*CKING WORSE for the rest of us.


Nah you're easy to understand.
I bet you do as well on dates, going on about how sure of yourself you are. You're the party that never stops, eh? ;)
Either way, you wouldn't have made so obvious a mistake if you'd bothered knowing my post history.

Variable data is really more Rove and Cheney's territory. I suppose you probably mean VERIFIABLE, which is very different. At any rate, please support your claims in regards to the scientist thing.

I would be more than happy to

http://www.bigpicweblog.com/exp/index.php/weblog/comments/hundreds_of_climate_expert_scientists_disprove_gores_pseudo_science/

These are just some of the men who disproves Gore's claims

http://www.envirotruth.org/myths.cfm

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=848

Just to let ya'll know, Al Gore didn't lose the Election becuase he lost Florida, he lost the election because he was unable to win his home state of Tennessee, with those extra 11 electoral votes, he would've won regardless of Florida.

Just to let ya'll know, Al Gore didn't lose the Election becuase he lost Florida, he lost the election because he was unable to win his home state of Tennessee, with those extra 11 electoral votes, he would've won regardless of Florida.

Which is kinda sad really, funny, but sad.

Yes, I don't like to think of the country as it would be under Al Gore. whats worse is the thought of Hilary Clinton, I mean she only has a shot because she is playing the "a woman has never been a president" and "my husband was president." A Huge percentage of people choosing who to vote for, especially for Joe Six Pack or Mary Soccer Mom is simply name recognition. Which Hilary has. I personally don't like either party. I don't like the American government as it is set up, nor do I like any other government in the world as it is set up right now, not that I know of, all of them are corrupted beyond recognition.

I'll probably get a lot of flack here, but I think most people from Europe and the UK will agree with me. And those of you who live on the east and west coasts of the US.

*grumble* I really wish people would remember that the Midwest isn't some monolithic block of Bush-lovers. Approximately 49% of voters in my state went for Gore in 2000 - not exactly a Republican landslide.

2. And don't forget ... Mighty Al invented the Internet!

Good lord, I would think that by now people could stop misquoting Gore and then giggling about how witty they are for doing so. He never claimed to have "invented the internet," as I suspect you know perfectly well.

Wilgrove: insulated and ignorant. S'okay, let him be.

Global Warming: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us before we do any more damage than we already have.

Politics: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us before this does any more damage to us than it already has.
Why care? What would be the point if we were gone already?! :|

Why care? What would be the point if we were gone already?! :|

...in which we see why people are bad at the whole "thinking of future generations" thing, or in fact the whole "caring about things that do not affect one directly" thing. *sigh*

In another words, Al used funny science to foward his adgenda.

Like religion*nods*

Good lord, I would think that by now people could stop misquoting Gore and then giggling about how witty they are for doing so. He never claimed to have "invented the internet," as I suspect you know perfectly well.
He comes across as a slow learner here - as evidenced by certain mod interventions of repetitious issues.
Sad, given his history, really.

I voted for Saddam....

...in which we see why people are bad at the whole "thinking of future generations" thing, or in fact the whole "caring about things that do not affect one directly" thing. *sigh*
WTF No....:headbang:

What "future generations?!"


"Global Warming: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us (i.e. the human race) before we do any more damage than we already have."
I would just like to know why someone, anyone sane would care about this, if it means we died out?

The World would have been a lot safer if Ralph Nader had been president.



*twitches*



Bwahahahaha!! YOu get it?!? Safety? Ralph Nader?!? AHHH HAHAHA ha...



...ha...



look, he was a consumer safety advocate for...



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Ah, forget it. :mad:

What would've happened had Al Gore kept the US Presidency? What type of world would we live in now had the US elections not been rigged? If there was a leader in the US who actually gave a damn about what happened in the environment, what would this planet be like now?

I have just seen Al Gore's movie- An Inconvenient Truth -and it sent an incredibly strong message. Not just about a political problem that the current US Administration seems to be ignoring, but one that we can all contribute to. Perhaps, if all of us NationStates members show our opinions to people, we can make a tiny difference. I doubt that, though!

I want to see all of your truthful opinions, even though you can be whoever you want to be in this game. I'll probably get a lot of flack here, but I think most people from Europe and the UK will agree with me. And those of you who live on the east and west coasts of the US.

If you want to goof off or be "yelling" (a little hard to do when typing) and swearing, I suggest you find somewhere else to do it, please.

I wasn't aware that he ever officially HAD the presidency to be able to keep it.

The World would have been a lot safer if Ralph Nader had been president.



*twitches*



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Ah, forget it. :mad:

Nice to see someone living up to their name ;)

I quite liked Al Gore. Was hoping he would win.

Nice to see someone living up to their name ;)

My name used to be 'Captain Severity' but nobody seemed to buy it. :)

My name used to be 'Captain Severity' but nobody seemed to buy it. :)
You're pretty much my idol.

My name used to be 'Captain Severity' but nobody seemed to buy it. :)

I know not of your past life

But here, have a fluffle :fluffle:

What would've happened had Al Gore kept the US Presidency? What type of world would we live in now had the US elections not been rigged? If there was a leader in the US who actually gave a damn about what happened in the environment, what would this planet be like now?
Wow. You just can't let it go. Conspiracy theory time! The elections were rigged. Little green men live on Mars. Magic carburetors and cars that run on water.

I have just seen Al Gore's movie- An Inconvenient Truth -and it sent an incredibly strong message. Not just about a political problem that the current US Administration seems to be ignoring, but one that we can all contribute to. Perhaps, if all of us NationStates members show our opinions to people, we can make a tiny difference. I doubt that, though!
And I saw the trailer for it.
"If you love your children...You have to see this film."
Oh! Won't someone think of the children?!

As for the hottest years on record: the hottest year on record in my home state was 1936, not 2005.

I want to see all of your truthful opinions, even though you can be whoever you want to be in this game. I'll probably get a lot of flack here, but I think most people from Europe and the UK will agree with me. And those of you who live on the east and west coasts of the US.
You know why I don't see this as a problem? Because I live inland and live on a hill. Floods won't touch me. I really never understood why so many flock to the coast and then whine when they get wet. I guess they see this as a threat to them, that the coastal dwellers think they'll end up underwater. Well I hate to burst a bubble because I like to see coffee sipping pseudo-philosophers suffer but according to the IPCC the maximum rise will be only 88 cm by 2100. Less than a Meter. So don't expect NY to go down anytime soon. Maybe in a 1000 years if nothing changes, but not today. Now NO is another story, but that's already under and has been for quite some time. That's the IPCC talking. They're whole shtick is preaching global warming so don't tell me they're underestimating.

Global Warming: We're fucked. I can only hope the world can cleanse itself of us before we do any more damage than we already have.
Here's an idea for ya: if you're so convinced the world is coming to an end becuase of what you're doing, sell/burn your house/possesions, move into the woods, and live in a dirt floored hut made out of cardboard and scrap metal like the other couple billion people living in relative and absolute poverty. If you think we're such a terror and need to die, lead by example.

Oh, and just so you know, Gore used more fuel flying around to promote this one movie than I ever will in my entire life. He broke two rules in his own book: telecommute and reduce air travel (pg. 313). Nice going, Al. I guess this just means there's rules for Gore and celebrities and then there're other rules for the rest of us.

Things would be slightly better if Gore had won. We wouldn't be in Iraq, we wouldn't be facing the same threat to civil liberties that we are, and there wouldn't be as much talk of a Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage. With that said, Gore and Bush really agree more than they disagree.

As far as the environment issue goes, Gore's environmentalism is sketchy. For instance, a lot of people lambast Bush for not signing the Kyoto Treaty, but Gore tried to torpedo it before it really got off the ground.

Let's apply Occam's Razor to this whole thing. Occam's Razor states that the simplist solution or answear is most often the correct one. So let's look at the theory to why Gore lost the 2000 debate

A.) The eletronic voting machines were rigged, blacks were held back from voting, etc.

B.) More people liked Bush than Gore, and thus more voted for him.

If we apply Occam's Razor to this debate, we would have to assume that B is the correct one.More people didn't vote for Bush than Gore, however more Electors did.

I am always warry of politicised science. After all, look at what happened with Eugenics. In the US, it was all the vougue to go around preaching the greatness of Eugenics, until Hitler was exposed at places like Buchenwald and Auschwitz.

Also, I have yet to hear from someone whose job it is to study paleo-climates AND modern day climates explain why the Earth was heating up before we got here. After all, If the Earth was 30% hotter than today in the Pre-Cambrian period, then what caused it. We weren't even far enough eveolved to be lizards yet.

The thing is that Geoge is more along the lines of Theodore Roosevelt in terms of the enviroment. Conserve it, keep it beautiful, but do not be afraid of Urban Sprawl.

Conserve it!? He's trying to tear up Alaska, for god's sake!

Besides, of all the evidence I have seen, from grap[hs that show sudden drops in CO2 levels while the temp kept right on chuggin upwards, to info on what Volcanoes produce (on average, more harmful materials in a single eruption then we send up in a decade) to the effects that even natural orbital shifts mean in the climate has mnade our miniscule contribution seem just that, miniscule, almost un note worthy.

Do I agree that we need to find different fuels? Yes. After all, what better way to rob our middle eastern enemies of their funds then remove the one thing we require. Also, it would mean that China had to deal with the Middle East, preventing them from helping spark WWIII by their invasion of Taiwan (Ask me about it if you want, the logic is sound, and scary).

True.

The truth is, that their are two modes of orbit, eliptical and circular.

In an Eliptical orbit we get Ice Ages. In Circular Orbits we get Global Warming. Throw in the fact that we were in a mini Ice Age from 1350 - 1850, and that we are in a more circular orbit now then we were then, and you can see why Al Gore is an Idiot.

Look, this stuff doesn't just happen in 50 years. If it happened in fifty years it was probably caused by humans. Give me an article about this, and maybe I'll believe you.

Oh, and about the election. If you can find evidence that it was actually rigged, please go ahead and bring it forawrd, but I am expecting MLA style source cites to support your assertions.

The evidence is being depleted, and this is a lost argument.

Look, why don't all you guys cut the shit and forget the election, since there's not even any point fighting about it anymore?

Anyway, this is mainly about Global Warming.

You know why I don't see this as a problem? Because I live inland and live on a hill. Floods won't touch me. I really never understood why so many flock to the coast and then whine when they get wet. I guess they see this as a threat to them, that the coastal dwellers think they'll end up underwater.

You disgust me. Maybe floods won't touch you, but if this Global Warming crap does take affect, you''ll be the first ones with the drought. It's supposed to become hot as hell out there, and your little hill will be one of the first places exposed to solar radiation. Fun!

Here's an idea for ya: if you're so convinced the world is coming to an end becuase of what you're doing, sell/burn your house/possesions, move into the woods, and live in a dirt floored hut made out of cardboard and scrap metal like the other couple billion people living in relative and absolute poverty. If you think we're such a terror and need to die, lead by example.

Oh, I wouldn't burn my stuff! That would add to the greenhouse gases! :rolleyes:

The Asp Meridian, if you wanted to debate these people, you should have done so in July. This thread has been dead for months.

Closed for gravedigging.