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Eventually a Bushevik will find this article and post it as "Yay! More Reasons We Should Exterminate Muslims!!" so I'm going to pre-emptively post a link to this article:

How to Avoid Honor Killing in Turkey? Honor Suicide (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/how-to-avoid-honor-killing-in-turkey/20060716085509990006?ncid=NWS00010000000001)

For those of you who can resist the urge to make a snide comment in general about the subject or in specific about the location of the tragedies, here's some points highlighted:

1) It's Turkey; not exactly the Islamic Fundamentalist Caliphate that your average Westerner would expect this kind of shit to happen in.

2) Clearly it's a cultural problem rooted in patriarchal domination where females are objectified and held to ridiculously higher standards of "purity" than males. The Taliban was the biggest and most visible example of it.

3) Before commenting about any "stupidity" on the part of the victims, keep in mind that A) This is a culture where family is valued above the individual and B) The victims were trapped and threatened with physical death even if they refused, not to mention the society is generally chauvinistic in outlook.

4) The Busheviks will of course say this is the fault of Islam and that no other religion was ever guilty of patriarchal chauvinism, even to nonfatal points.

Your, and many other people's obcession with bashing Bush and "Busheviks" is also still a plague.

Personally I prefer Japanese honor suicides.
Mainly for the reason that nobody does it anymore.

Your, and many other people's obcession with bashing Bush and "Busheviks" is also still a plague.
The widespread nature of it is more like the Renaissance than the plague to be honest.

Um...could we please address how this is absolutely disgusting?

What's more...that they still stigmatize a woman after being RAPED...sickening...

Eventually a Bushevik will find this article and post it as "Yay! More Reasons We Should Exterminate Muslims!!" so I'm going to pre-emptively post a link to this article:

4) The Busheviks will of course say this is the fault of Islam and that no other religion was ever guilty of patriarchal chauvinism, even to nonfatal points.
Come on Gauthier, very few Busheviks are out to kill Muslims in general. You seem to falsely view them as the anti-Muslim equivalent of the Nazi party.

Though this isn't particularly the fault of Islam, nor were similar rules in 17th century Europe the fault of Christianity. People tend to follow their culture much more than their religion.

Um...could we please address how this is absolutely disgusting?
Because their morals are different to the US', which makes it bad, because as we all know, despite having no culture of their own (other than gun culture and the cultures in the smallpox labs) the US is culturally superior to everywhere because it's a rich country.

Or am I just going a bit far?

Originally Posted by Gauthier
Eventually a Bushevik will find this article and post it as "Yay! More Reasons We Should Exterminate Muslims!!" so I'm going to pre-emptively post a link to this article:
Honour killings are well known throughout the Muslim world already. If you don't want Busheviks(?) to use this information then why provide them with it :confused: ?

Personally, I feel it is an abhorrent practice which ranks right up there with female circumsision in the list of things Islam has to take a good look at before calling itself a modern movement. I have no particular gripe with Islam. I'm just not a fan of religion in general.

Come on Gauthier, very few Busheviks are out to kill Muslims in general. You seem to falsely view them as the anti-Muslim equivalent of the Nazi party.

Deep Kimchi/Armed Bookworms/Sierra BTHP/WTFHe'llcallhimself strikes me as one of the bigger NSG Busheviks, and if you look up his posts he has declared unambiguously that killing Muslims in Iraq gave him orgasms and that every Middle Eastern Muslim should be sterilized into extinction.

He just happens to be one more forthcoming about their views.

Though this isn't particularly the fault of Islam, nor were similar rules in 17th century Europe the fault of Christianity. People tend to follow their culture much more than their religion.

Culture. That's the problem. But today's climate means religion and specifically Islam will be blamed for the fault of a backwards culture where men are men and women are either untouchable purity or filthy whores that ought to be killed.

Because their morals are different to the US', which makes it bad, because as we all know, despite having no culture of their own (other than gun culture and the cultures in the smallpox labs) the US is culturally superior to everywhere because it's a rich country.

Or am I just going a bit far?

I think ye are. I'm not saying this as an American. I think it is absolutely deplorable that ones family (a body that above all else is supposed to be the one group that love you unconditionally) would send frequent "suicide messages" and death threats because a girl happened to be attracted to a boy (which last time I checked was a natural thing).

I have many things to respect about Islam. But Islam, like alot of the world's religions, has its problems that must be addressed.

Because their morals are different to the US', which makes it bad, because as we all know, despite having no culture of their own (other than gun culture and the cultures in the smallpox labs) the US is culturally superior to everywhere because it's a rich country.

Or am I just going a bit far?


Its not their gun-culture thats the problem. Its the combination of a lack of cynicism, a large amount of patriotism, combined with too much religon.

Its not their gun-culture thats the problem. Its the combination of a lack of cynicism, a large amount of patriotism, combined with too much religon.

I can agree with you with #2 without a doubt.

#1...well...I know that I'M very cynical...

And religion really shouldn't be the problem. The problem comes in when it starts infiltrating the government.

Deep Kimchi/Armed Bookworms/Sierra BTHP/WTFHe'llcallhimself strikes me as one of the bigger NSG Busheviks, and if you look up his posts he has declared unambiguously that killing Muslims in Iraq gave him orgasms and that every Middle Eastern Muslim should be sterilized into extinction.

He just happens to be one more forthcoming about their views.
Deep Kimchi has endorsed genocide, but he doesn't represent them all. More still have said that they abhor killing innocent people.

Culture. That's the problem. But today's climate means religion and specifically Islam will be blamed for the fault of a backwards culture where men are men and women are either untouchable purity or filthy whores that ought to be killed.
Today's climate? What is that? I've seen you claim that it's a mainstream view in America to put all Muslims in death camps. I don't believe you there.

I can agree with you with #2 without a doubt.

#1...well...I know that I'M very cynical...
Yeah, and I want the British representatives at the UN to tell the US quite bluntly to go and fuck itself and after this for Britain to be ruled as a benevolent dictatorship (with someone good in power - not me, I'd be crap).

You and I are not exactly prime examples of our countrymen, are we?
And religion really shouldn't be the problem. The problem comes in when it starts infiltrating the government.
Which it's done in the US...

I can agree with you with #2 without a doubt.

#1...well...I know that I'M very cynical...

And religion really shouldn't be the problem. The problem comes in when it starts infiltrating the government.

Indeed. Though these are just the impressions of a hairy-arsed european. I concede that I could be entirely wrong and that it could like the bible belt - contaminated water - except on a larger scale.

PS the Honour killings are indeed a disgrace. However until their economy develops further, I can't imagine much change.

Today's climate? What is that? I've seen you claim that it's a mainstream view in America to put all Muslims in death camps. I don't believe you there.

The Post-9/11 Climate to be specific. Before then, Muslims really didn't blip as much on the American public's radar other than as Jihadist psychos everyone can feel good about being blown away on your run of the mill action flicks. Before 9/11, the thought of separating Muslims from the rest of humankind and/or exterminating them wasn't so mainstream.

Indeed. Though these are just the impressions of a hairy-arsed european. I concede that I could be entirely wrong and that it could like the bible belt - contaminated water - except on a larger scale.

PS the Honour killings are indeed a disgrace. However until their economy develops further, I can't imagine much change.

I only hope that it one day will, I don't see how a society that large can operate like that for very long.

Yeah, and I want the British representatives at the UN to tell the US quite bluntly to go and fuck itself and after this for Britain to be ruled as a benevolent dictatorship (with someone good in power - not me, I'd be crap).

You and I are not exactly prime examples of our countrymen, are we?

o_O

Comrade...we are just two people caught up in this amazing spin cycle that is the internet. We both want the same thing: peace, love, pornography...no one needs to go fuck themselves.

And I'd rather not live under a dictatorship thank ye kindly. A Neo-Hippy Commune society would be nice though...

And I'd rather not live under a dictatorship thank ye kindly. A Neo-Hippy Commune society would be nice though...

Britain under the rulership of Neil.

God save everyone, not just the Queen.

Comrade...we are just two people caught up in this amazing spin cycle that is the internet. We both want the same thing: peace, love, pornography...no one needs to go fuck themselves.

And I'd rather not live under a dictatorship thank ye kindly. A Neo-Hippy Commune society would be nice though...
Anarcho-communism wouldn't be universally popular, though. I like it, but I know many don't.

As opposed to a benevolent dictatorship, which would be truly great and popular also.

Britain under the rulership of Neil.

God save everyone, not just the Queen.

Made my day sir. Thank you very much.