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I find it interesting that Saudi Arabia is against Hezballah in this situation; were the conflict to boil over in to full blow war with Iran, I would not be surprised if Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest of the Gulf states either remained neutral or outright worked to undermine the Iranian government in its fight against Israel.

2006 Israel-VS-Hezbollah War..

there is the short term consequences (we can see them) and the long term consequences (less previsible)

--Best case scenario--

<< Short term
# Destruction and death "from abobe" bombs and missiles.(most outside Israel)
# multiple civileans killed. (most outside Israel)

<< Long term
# Hezbollah will be stronger
# Gov of Saudi Arabia is weaker.. popular attacks attack on the Dictatorship.
# pro insurgent sides in Iraq get more popular support
# Gov of Egypt is weaker.. many popular attacks on the Gov.
# Gov of Lebanon is weaker.. Gov will fall.
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--Worst case scenario-- (i dont think will happen)
the Persian Gulf countries and the US are drawn to the War..
Consequenses range from total chaos of the World economy (OIL).. to WW3.
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feel free to add your 2 cents. (place your bets gentlemen)

As you say, WWIII and Global Depression are worst case scenario. My guess is that these two won't happen unless someone gets really trigger-happy with their nuclear arsenals.

my 2 cents are as follows:

A cease-fire will be negotiated between the two nations. If none is forthcoming then Hezbollah is in deep dog poop along with those who support them.

Syria will stay out of this because the last time they entangled with Israel, they got their butts kicked back to Damascus. Iran is already in trouble and if they provoke a war in the region, they'll be just as deep in crap.

Syria (and Iran want to) stay out of this.
I agree with that.A cease-fire will be negotiated between the two nations. Israel want a cease fire? Do they know what they want? (some in the Israel leadership do not want a cease fire).
Hezbollah has mixed feelengs too.. some in their leadership have the "bring-it-on" attitudeIf none is forthcoming then Hezbollah is in deep dog poop. that is wishfull thinking... daydreaming.. Israel will not destroy Hezbollah.
Actually this War is making Hezbollah stronger.

I agree with that. Israel want a cease fire? Do they know what they want? (some in the Israel leadership do not want a cease fire).
Hezbollah has mixed feelengs too.. some in their leadership have the "bring-it-on" attitude that is wishfull thinking... daydreaming..


Israel has said quite clearly they will attack until they A. get their soldiers back and B. Hezbollah is disarmed.

The second both of those hapen, they would be quite willing to go back home.


Israel will not destroy Hezbollah.
Actually this War is making Hezbollah stronger.
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I dont know where you get that, but trust me, the war will not stop until Hezboillah is disarmed, and then they can have all the bluster in the world but without bombs, they arent going to get very far. And im sure the governments in the area (namely Israel, and Lebanon) will have a vested interest in keeping Iran from selling more missles to them.

I agree with that. Israel want a cease fire? Do they know what they want? (some in the Israel leadership do not want a cease fire).

You edited what I said. Now go back and respond to what I really said.

Hezbollah has mixed feelengs too.. some in their leadership have the "bring-it-on" attitude that is wishfull thinking... daydreaming..

And yet they are prepared to fight an all out war. Looks like Israel isn't buying it yet.

Israel will not destroy Hezbollah.
Actually this War is making Hezbollah stronger.

Oh? Looks like the majority of Lebanon are turning against Hezbollah as are several Mid-East Countries.

Israel has said quite clearly they will attack until they A. get their soldiers back and B. Hezbollah is disarmed.

The second both of those hapen, they would be quite willing to go back home.this thread ("gentlemen palce your bets") is not about "what the War parties(Hezbollah ot Isarael) say..

Its about what do your brain tell you is likely to happen..

Does you brain tells you to trust everything the Governement of ***** say? :confused:

remember: Governement "Lies" multiply tenfold in times of war

Oh? Looks like the majority of Lebanon are turning against Hezbollah as are several Mid-East Countries.looks like?
Pink eye shades?

looks like?
Pink eye shades?

Nope. Just the facts. Non-shia's are turning against Hezbollah.

Nope. Just the facts. Non-shia's are turning against Hezbollah.
Very true. The Sunnis (majority of Muslims) are not supporting Hezbollah. The Sunni nations are not coming to the aid of Hezbollah. Iran (shiite nation) is the one supporting them.

Nope. Just the facts. Non-shia's are turning against Hezbollah.Very true.:rolleyes:

and.. you got thes "facts" from... ???

Very true. The Sunnis (majority of Muslims) are not supporting Hezbollah. The Sunni nations are not coming to the aid of Hezbollah. Iran (shiite nation) is the one supporting them.

Well Iran and Syria are the only 2 nations I know of supporting Hezbollah. Now that the Airport is inoperable and the border bombed, I don't think there'll be that much support coming from either country for Israel is making it difficult to do business with them.

:rolleyes:
and.. you got thes "facts" from... ???

The news.

Oh? Looks like the majority of Lebanon are turning against Hezbollah as are several Mid-East Countries.

The Majority of Libanon? Yeah sure....


The only Middle-east countries that are against Hezbollah are the corrupt ones that are totally bought off by the USA, the other ones didn't say anything for a long time.

Thumbs up to Hizbollah, Syria and Iran for going against Israel, they are the only countries that support and help the Palestinian resistance against Israel.

Oh, and Israel is backed up by who? - It's a long list, I'd begin by saying the USA, the UK, lots of European nations and some unoffical "colonies" that belong to the USA

The news.so I guess you have some links.. where it says "majorty of lebanon".

Very true. The Sunnis (majority of Muslims) are not supporting Hezbollah. The Sunni nations are not coming to the aid of Hezbollah. Iran (shiite nation) is the one supporting them.
In that case I doubt the Sunni majority Iraqi Insurgants even give a damn about Hezbollah either, (Aside that maybe thanking them by distracting the US, but as far as supporting them I doubt it)

so I guess you have some links.. where it says "majorty of lebanon".
All the things I hear is that Lebanon is "Split" on the issue. But Lebanon doesn't love Hezbollah. Only a fool would think so.

All the things I hear is that Lebanon is "Split" on the issue.first, when you say "I hear".. i wonder what do you mean..

second: without being wrong.. You could sayd that from every country.. on almost every issue.. "they are split on the issue".

but most of the time It means you have no clue... so you simply say "I hear they are split on the issue"

Hezbollah's original raid was catastrophically stupid enough that it's an open question as to whether they will end up being stronger or weaker when this is over.

If Israel had simply attacked, it would be a different story; their past successes have already made them very popular in southern Lebanon, and continued resistance against Israel would indeed have strengthened them. But there exists the possibility that they will be blamed for this bloodshed, and be hurt by it.

.. But there exists the possibility that they will be blamed for this bloodshed, and be hurt by it.the possibility does exist (I cannot deny "possibility")

.. But do not bet your house on it.. the official LasVegas betting-line is less than 1% :p

the possibility does exist (I cannot deny "possibility")

.. But do not bet your house on it.. the official LasVegas Odds is less than 1% :p

I'm not betting anything on anything. It will be a while before the implications of this bloody mess are clear.

Hezbollah's original raid was catastrophically stupid enough that it's an open question as to whether they will end up being stronger or weaker when this is over.

If Israel had simply attacked, it would be a different story; their past successes have already made them very popular in southern Lebanon, and continued resistance against Israel would indeed have strengthened them. But there exists the possibility that they will be blamed for this bloodshed, and be hurt by it.

Hezbollah is already getting blamed for this crisis by non-shia groups of people.

first, when you say "I hear".. i wonder what do you mean..

second: without being wrong.. You could sayd that from every country.. on almost every issue.. "they are split on the issue".

but most of the time It means you have no clue... so you simply say "I hear they are split on the issue"

So you sit there and call me clueless? Shove it.
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Yeah see, I know how some people might be thinking this is just another wave of middle east violence, well its not. This one is big, its got some of the most sacred shit behind it regardless. It wont just be suicide bombings and airstrikes, It'll be ground invasions, mass graves, slaughter fests and a "war of extermination" and it will probably get worse, and bigger...

Is hizbolla dead yet ? If not expect more movie clips . News 24 hrs arround the clock .

i am kind of suprised not too many christian people are shouting about this war. a mark of the end times is a huge war in the holy land

So you sit there and call me clueless? no, I am not calling you clueless..
I am saying is that when someone uses that expression....

ahh never mind.
whateva

i am kind of suprised not too many christian people are shouting about this war. a mark of the end times is a huge war in the holy land

Why should we start shouting? We have been shouting about end times events. Right now though, none of the people named in Ezekial have done anything to prove our point correct.

Hezbollah is already getting blamed for this crisis by non-shia groups of people.

But Hezbollah doesn't have to care what they think. Their base of support is among the Shi'ites in southern Lebanon.

And with Israel devastating Beirut, there's a decent chance that Hezbollah's support among non-Shi'ites will increase.

But Hezbollah doesn't have to care what they think. Their base of support is among the Shi'ites in southern Lebanon.

And with Israel devastating Beirut, there's a decent chance that Hezbollah's support among non-Shi'ites will increase.

But its not. That's the point. Even those nations that hve a majority sunni population are against Hezbollah. No one is coming to Hezbollah's defense except Syria and Iran. No one else is getting involved and now the PM of Lebanon is thinking about using the Army to take back South Lebanon from Hezbollah.

But its not. That's the point. Even those nations that hve a majority sunni population are against Hezbollah. No one is coming to Hezbollah's defense except Syria and Iran.

That is to say, every regime with the support of US imperialism is against Hezbollah. I wonder why?

No one else is getting involved and now the PM of Lebanon is thinking about using the Army to take back South Lebanon from Hezbollah.

Which would anger a large portion of the Lebanese population and cause even greater violence.

That is to say, every regime with the support of US imperialism is against Hezbollah. I wonder why?

Continue to believe that conspiracy theory but most of the Middle East is kinda pissed off at a terror organization that is no longer needed to fight occupational forces since Israel is no long occupying Lebanon.

That is to say, anger a large portion of the Lebanese population and cause even greater violence.

Well if Lebanon does the right thing and asks for help in rooting out Hezbollah, they'll have artillery and air support in rooting out Hezbollah.

Continue to believe that conspiracy theory but most of the Middle East is kinda pissed off at a terror organization that is no longer needed to fight occupational forces since Israel is no long occupying Lebanon.

Most of the governments, sure.

Well if Lebanon does the right thing and asks for help in rooting out Hezbollah, they'll have artillery and air support in rooting out Hezbollah.

The "right thing"? The result would be either mass chaos or a vicious repressive regime dependent on US/Israeli support. It would kill Lebanese democracy, to the extent it exists at all.

The "right thing"? The result would be either mass chaos or a vicious repressive regime dependent on US/Israeli support. It would kill Lebanese democracy, to the extent it exists at all.

Oh bull crap.

Oh bull crap.

Oh, please. Just because Israel says that Hezbollah is a plant of Iran and Syria doesn't mean it is. It was formed in response to Israel's last invasion of Lebanon (see how successful these things usually are?), and successfully ended the eighteen-year occupation. It dominated the elections in southern Lebanon last year and controls a significant portion of the Lebanese parliament.

Destroying Hezbollah does not just mean destroying a militant group. It also means destroying a major political party. And if the Lebanese government tries to do it, it will only demonstrate their lack of respect for the democratic forms that were so exalted in the Western media.

Oh, please. Just because Israel says that Hezbollah is a plant of Iran and Syria doesn't mean it is.

Anyone who knows anything about the Middle East knows that Hezbollah is supported by Syria and Iran. It is apparent you know nothing about that.

It was formed in response to Israel's last invasion of Lebanon (see how successful these things usually are?), and successfully ended the eighteen-year occupation. It dominated the elections in southern Lebanon last year and controls a significant portion of the Lebanese parliament.

Then why are they still around? Why is the political faction still associated with the militant faction? Why is there a militant faction when Israel is no longer in Lebanon as you yourself just pointed out?

Destroying Hezbollah does not just mean destroying a militant group. It also means destroying a major political party. And if the Lebanese government tries to do it, it will only demonstrate their lack of respect for the democratic forms that were so exalted in the Western media.

They are obligated by a UNSC Resolution to DISARM HEZBOLLAH! And now we have yet another semi-war because another mid-east nation fails to comply with yet another UN Resolution.

Anyone who knows anything about the Middle East knows that Hezbollah is supported by Syria and Iran. It is apparent you know nothing about that.

Did I say it wasn't?

Then why are they still around? Why is the political faction still associated with the militant faction? Why is there a militant faction when Israel is no longer in Lebanon as you yourself just pointed out?

It's the same organization. They're still armed because they fear their neighbor to the south, for good reason. Which is not to say that they should still be armed - they shouldn't.

Did I say it wasn't?



It's the same organization. They're still armed because they fear their neighbor to the south, for good reason. Which is not to say that they should still be armed - they shouldn't.

No they shouldn't be armed and a UN security Council resolution even stated that Lebanon needs to disarm them and they havent. Hezbollah is no longer needed as the occupation is over.

Is hizbolla dead yet ? not gonna happen..
no matter what happens now.. Hezbollah is going to be stronger.
you are witnessing the emergence of a second AQ.

No they shouldn't be armed and a UN security Council resolution even stated that Lebanon needs to disarm them and they havent. Hezbollah is no longer needed as the occupation is over.
As long as Israel remains aggressive, the Lebanese pretty much need to have them around, though.

And you can wave UN Resolutions around, but almost nobody conforms to them, no matter where they are in the world.

not gonna happen..
no matter what happens now.. Hezbollah is going to be stronger.
Yes, it is.
you are witnessing the emergence of a second AQ.
That's a little reactionary. I don't think so.

As long as Israel remains aggressive, the Lebanese pretty much need to have them around, though.

If Lebanon begins disarming Hezbollah, the Israeli attacks will stop. They have already stated that numerous times.

And you can wave UN Resolutions around, but almost nobody conforms to them, no matter where they are in the world.

And that is why everyone knows that the UN is a glorified League of Nations. It cannot do much of anything except humanitarian aid just like the Red Cross.

Destroying Hezbollah does not just mean destroying a militant group. It also means destroying a major political party. And if the Lebanese government tries to do it, it will only demonstrate their lack of respect for the democratic forms that were so exalted in the Western media.

Hezbollah are about as democratic as Hammas. Its no more wrong to get them out of power than it would have been to somehow drive the Nazis from power earlier on. To say that just because they are voted in they are democratic is inacurate. A democratic party also has to follow the logical principles of democracy, such as all men are born equal, which is why all men have the vote.

If Lebanon begins disarming Hezbollah, the Israeli attacks will stop. They have already stated that numerous times.
I don't think that Israel is going to stop just yet, even in Hezbollah laid their arms down this very minute.
And that is why everyone knows that the UN is a glorified League of Nations. It cannot do much of anything except humanitarian aid just like the Red Cross.
The League of Nations had the unique advantage of not having the US veto-ing anything that's said about Israel, though.

I don't think that Israel is going to stop just yet, even in Hezbollah laid their arms down this very minute.

Shows how little you actually know.

The League of Nations had the unique advantage of not having the US veto-ing anything that's said about Israel, though.

They still did absolutely nothing. It was powerless just like the UN is powerless. To say that it wasn't only makes you ignorant.

Is hizbolla dead yet ? .nope..

No they shouldn't be armed and a UN security Council resolution even stated that Lebanon needs to disarm them and they havent. Hezbollah is no longer needed as the occupation is over.
An Israeli supporter touting a UN resolution. LOLERSKATZ!

Let Israel finish the job the started, if need be go all the way to Teheran (With US support, of course).

Let Israel finish the job the started, if need be go all the way to Teheran (With US support, of course).all the way to WWIII.. if needed be?

are you an end-times Christian??

all the way to WWIII.. if needed be?

are you an end-times Christian

World War III will not take place till the Red Horse of the Appocolypse is unleashed.

Let Israel finish the job the started, if need be go all the way to Teheran (With US support, of course).
THe US should stay out of it. Besides, Iran is weaker that Egypt was during either the 67 or 73 wars. Israel not only defeated Egypt during those wars, but it's allies too. Israel doesn't need out help.

THe US should stay out of it. Besides, Iran is weaker that Egypt was during either the 67 or 73 wars. Israel not only defeated Egypt during those wars, but it's allies too. Israel doesn't need out help.

Only for airspace permission.

Only for airspace permission.I tough Iraq was a Sovereign Country [/sarcasm] ..Iraq Gov is a Puppet

I tough Iraq was a Sovereign Country [/sarcasm] ..Iraq Gov is a Puppet

You fool, LEAVE OUT THE WHITE BIT. That would've been passable sarcasm without the white bit. :(

I tough Iraq was a Sovereign Country [/sarcasm] ..Iraq Gov is a Puppet
That's why they have gone through multiple election cycles.:rolleyes:

I tough Iraq was a Sovereign Country [/sarcasm] ..Iraq Gov is a Puppet

Did I say that the US had to do it? No I did not. Only thing Israel needs help with is Airspace Permission because it is actually Illegal for nations to fly their warplanes over someone else's airspace without their permission.

Israel needs help with is Airspace Permission because it is actually Illegal for nations to fly their warplanes over someone else's airspace without their permission.I agree with that part..
"its Illegal for Israel to fly over Iraq..Whitout Iraq's permission"

But Iraq is siding with hezbollah.

dp

Did I say that the US had to do it? No I did not. Only thing Israel needs help with is Airspace Permission because it is actually Illegal ....You did not say Israel needs US Airspace permission?

let me repost your post.. THe US should stay out of it. (...) doesn't need out help.Only for airspace permission.
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and now tell us.. just what do you mean.. with "US Airspace Permission"

Israel needs to fly over the US.. on their way to Iran??? ;) :D

I agree with that part..
"its Illegal for Israel to fly over Iraq..Whitout Iraq's permission"

But Iraq is siding with hezbollah.

You might want to double check that. They are not totally siding with Hezbollah. I know that the Shia's are! Most notably Moqtata al Sadr and his militia.

What have we heard from the Sunni community? Not much or I missed something.

And before you bring up the Iraqi PM remember that the press always distorts things to make statements worse than they really are.

You might want to double check that. They are not totally siding with Hezbollah.Close enough :D :D ;) :D

You did not say Israel needd US Airspace permission?

let me repost your post..
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and now tell us.. just what do you mean.. with "US Airspace Permission"
???

Did I say US Airspace? We are nowhere near Iraq nor are we in that region. They do not need to traverse our airspace. You are implying something that is indeed not there.

Close enough :D :D ;) :D

Moqtata al Sadr does not speak for Iraq.

***** does not speak for Iraq.the US gov does?

the US gov does?

Are you misinterpreting things on purpose? If you are, I wish you stop it because it really is getting annoying.

And no. We do not speak for Iraq.

And no. We do not speak for Iraq.So Israel cant Fly bombers over Iraq.. Doing so would be an act of War on Iraq.

Iraq in on Hezbollah side.

So Israel cant Fly bombers over Iraq.. Doing so would be an act of War on Iraq.

Actually, no it would not be an act of war unless someone does something stupid like actually bombing Iraq or Iraq shooting at Israeli planes. Territorial Airspace only extends so high.

Actually, no it would not be an act of war unless ....So foreign Bombers can Fly over your city at will ? :rolleyes:

Is that what your brain tells you?

Territorial Airspace only extends so high.
do tell us.. how high do Russian/Chinese/Iranian Warplanes may fly over Your City without permission??

So you sit there and call me clueless? Shove it.
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This is OD you're posting at, he's always like this, so don't get your panties in twist over him, ain't worth it.

do tell us.. how high do Russian/Chinese/Iranian Warplanes may fly over Your City without permission??
How high do they have to fly before they don't get shot down. That number will give you your answer.

do tell us.. how high do Russian/Chinese/Iranian Warplanes may fly over Your City without permission??

Pretty high. I will try to find the answer for you.

Pretty high. I will try to find the answer for you.ok

BTW.. all this remind me of.. some US spy plane.. it was hit by a chinese fighter. (this may help you on your research)

ok

BTW.. all this remind me of.. some US spy plane.. it was hit by a chinese fighter. (this may help you on your research)

I was wondering when you were going to bring that up. Guess what? That plane wasn't even over Chinese Airspace.

I was wondering when you were going to bring that up. Guess what? That plane wasn't even over Chinese Airspace.I was just trying to help your research..
Articles talking about that incident.. should give you an idea.

I am relaxing.. (coffe break) i am not in a figthing mood..

If I was.. I would "bring that up" at the proper time.. Not in advance.

2006 Israel-VS-Hezbollah War..

there is the short term consequences (we can see them) and the long term consequences (less previsible)

--Best case scenario--

<< Short term
# Destruction and death "from abobe" bombs and missiles.(most outside Israel)
# multiple civileans killed. (most outside Israel)

<< Long term
# Hezbollah will be stronger
# Gov of Saudi Arabia is weaker.. popular attacks attack on the Dictatorship.
# pro insurgent sides in Iraq get more popular support
# Gov of Egypt is weaker.. many popular attacks on the Gov.

Arab anger at their governments grow
Associated Press
4 minutes ago

CAIRO, Egypt - As their anger against Israel and America swells, protesters across the Middle East are also increasingly venting their frustration at their Arab rulers, especially in moderate countries whose governments have been reliable U.S. allies.
...
Even more worrisome for Arab leaders is the possibility violence may turn on them. On Saturday, al-Qaida announced that an Egyptian militant group had joined the terror network. While the group denied it, many fear that public anger could nonetheless boost militants around the region.

Demonstrators have denounced leaders of Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia for blaming Hezbollah — sometimes implicitly, sometimes overtly — for starting the fighting by snatching two Israeli soldiers in a July 12 cross-border raid.

Three straight days of protests broke out last week among the normally quiet Shiite minority in Saudi Arabia, where demonstrations are rare, though protesters were cautious not to criticize the ruling family. Hundreds of Shiites waved posters of Nasrallah, chanting "Oh Nasrallah; oh beloved one; destroy, destroy Tel Aviv."

Cairo has seen nearly daily demonstrations against Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak for what protesters see as his failure to support Hezbollah. On Sunday, demonstrators held up a poster of Mubarak with a Star of David on his forehead, labeling him "the enemy of the Egyptian people."

Last week, more than 1,000 protesters rallied in downtown Cairo, burning Israeli and American flags. "Arab majesties, excellencies and highnesses, we spit on you," one banner read.

Similar protests have erupted in Jordan and Kuwait, where anti-U.S. demonstrations are rare.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060807/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_summer_of_discontent_1;_ylt=AqIT.OUZVMmlIHHC4Gz_KR4UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUC Ul

-- breaking NEWS -- Sun Aug 13, 4:53 AM ET

at Last! Hope for the Two Captured Israeli Soldiers

Israel willing to discuss prisoner swap
JERUSALEM -Sun Aug 13 -Israel is willing to discuss a possible release of Hizbollah prisoners in exchange for freeing two Israeli soldiers abducted by Lebanese guerrillas last month, the Haaretz newspaper reported on Sunday.

The report was published on the newspaper's Web site as the Israeli cabinet met to approve a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for a cessation of the month-long conflict which is expected to go into effect on Monday.

Spokesmen for the Israeli government could not immediately be reached for comment.

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-- breaking NEWS -- Sun Aug 13, 4:53 AM ET

Finally, Hope for the Two Captured Israeli Soldiers

Israel willing to discuss prisoner swap
JERUSALEM -Sun Aug 13 -Israel is willing to discuss a possible release of Hizbollah prisoners in exchange for freeing two Israeli soldiers abducted by Lebanese guerrillas last month, the Haaretz newspaper reported on Sunday.

The report was published on the newspaper's Web site as the Israeli cabinet met to approve a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for a cessation of the month-long conflict which is expected to go into effect on Monday.

Spokesmen for the Israeli government could not immediately be reached for comment.

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so basically, the only thing that changed from the refusal to negotiate in the first place, is more UN decision (which can lead to the end of hizbulla in the optimistic case, but probably not), and many casualities and destruction in both sides.
ironical, isn't it?

A lot of people (including me) had said this would happen...

Hundreds of deaths on both sides, enormous destruction in Lebenon and in lesser extent Israel, hatred in the Muslem world against Israel, Israel has lost a lot of support in the world...

and in the end they do what they could have done on day one.

Perfect example how useless wars are.

so basically, the only thing that changed from the refusal to negotiate in the first place, is more UN decision (which can lead to the end of hizbulla in the optimistic case, but probably not), and many casualities and destruction in both sides.
ironical, isn't it?IMO.. The main thing here is.. (at least for the Families of the two captured) their survival chances are looking 100 times better.

It was really easy for Hezbollah to say "one of the Soldiers has been killed in Beiruth.. inside a Hezbollah bunker.. by Israeli Warplane bombs"

But yes.. It is indeed Ironical.

Yallah ya Nasrallah

-- breaking NEWS -- Sun Aug 13, 4:53 AM ET

at Last! Hope for the Two Captured Israeli Soldiers

Israel willing to discuss prisoner swap
JERUSALEM -Sun Aug 13 -Israel is willing to discuss a possible release of Hizbollah prisoners in exchange for freeing two Israeli soldiers abducted by Lebanese guerrillas last month, the Haaretz newspaper reported on Sunday.

The report was published on the newspaper's Web site as the Israeli cabinet met to approve a U.N. Security Council resolution calling for a cessation of the month-long conflict which is expected to go into effect on Monday.

Spokesmen for the Israeli government could not immediately be reached for comment.

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Expect more IDF soldiers to be kidnapped in the future.

A lot of people (including me) had said this would happen....
humm..
this is going to need its own thread.. and I shall give you guys some credit.. because I was a non-beleiver (I though the 2 were going to be killed.. or already dead)

So Israel's gonna negotiate with Hizbollah for the release of their soldiers, sorta like they did successfully with no loss to life several years ago? Funny, how there was talk of a military build up within Israel and then after this abduction the Israeli policy on dealing with Hizbollah changes. Oh well, nothing funny here.

So Israel's gonna negotiate with Hizbollah for the release of their soldiers, sorta like they did successfully with no loss to life several years ago? Funny, how there was talk of a military build up within Israel and then after this abduction the Israeli policy on dealing with Hizbollah changes. Oh well, nothing funny here.nothing funny indeed.

War is hell.
War is a monster.. a real life monster.. and it actually eats children.

So Israel's gonna negotiate with Hizbollah for the release of their soldiers, sorta like they did successfully with no loss to life several years ago? Funny, how there was talk of a military build up within Israel and then after this abduction the Israeli policy on dealing with Hizbollah changes. Oh well, nothing funny here.
Are you talking about the time Israel traded 492 terrorists for three dead bodies and one businessman? Yeah, that was really successful, considering that most of those 492 are now shooting rockets at Israel.