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I posted this on another forum and they liked it, so I'm going to try it here.

North Korea
I believe that money talks, and I do believe that China suports North Korea, North Korea is a client state. China gets most of it's money and business from the trade it has with USA. I think if we are to curb this problem we need to do several things.

1. Put the trade on the table, tell China that if it doesn't start tighting the leash on NK, we will start messing with the trade. It's a mega bluff I know, but sometimes bluff wins.

2. Unfortuntely, the only things people like Kim Jong Il understands is force, or the threats of force. While Japan does not like Nuclear weapons, we do have base there. I say we point our guns in Japan and South Korea towards North Korea. Of course, this assumes that Kim is sane, he is not.

3. Use the F-117 Nighthawk and the B-2 Stealth Bombers to take out all North Korea's Nuclear testing centers, missile silos, and anything else that they can use against us. The Nighthawk and B-2s are stealth, so North Korea won't be able to pick them up on radar until it's too late.

4. Make sure our missile defense system is up to date and running. Take a US Navy ship out to the Hawaiian Island, and have them launch a fake missile. The missile will carry no payload and will not explode on the ground. This will test our missile defense sytem to see if we can intercept a missile launch from North Korea. If the test fails, do everything and anything possible to correct the problem.

5. Have NORAD be on 24/7 alert, espically on the west coast, and Alaska.

6. Have everyone on the west coast and Alaska pratice fall out drills.

The Middle East

Full pull out, no more support for Israel or any other country over there and let them deal with their own problems.

it sounds ok, but doesnt work like that in reality. at least not anymore.

people have to tip toe arouned subjects and many politicians are career politicians and have to worry about their career rather then doing what needs to be done. many politicians will just delay matters untill it is a huge problem then some poor guy will have to fianlly do something about it and while they are doing what needs to be done they have also destroyed their career in politics

i think the united states should isolate itself. we should still support Israel. but thats about it. have the UN move out and tighten our border control to the extreme.

Trade sanctions would probably be pretty ineffective, but getting China to cut off funding might score a hit on NK, which has a government so poor that it must counterfeit money to fund embassies. Any military escalation would only increase the chances of North Korea leveling Seoul, which could be done without even deploying troops.

Your North Korea ideas fail, but I agree with your Middle east one.

NK: 1. The Chinease are not dumb. A three year old would see that bluff, so will they.
2. Kim is not sane. threatening him with force might cause him to do something foolish... like ordering the artilery pointed as Seoul to fire...
3. Same as above. You attack N.K, they're just gonna go apeshit. You cannot attack them without loosing half of South Korea in large artilery craters.
4 & 6 are up to the American goverment to decide whether to do.
5 is a good idea in principle, but keeping an organisation at high alert blunts there effective edge, which is pribably nbot a good plan.

Your North Korea ideas fail, but I agree with your Middle east one.

NK: 1. The Chinease are not dumb. A three year old would see that bluff, so will they.
2. Kim is not sane. threatening him with force might cause him to do something foolish... like ordering the artilery pointed as Seoul to fire...
3. Same as above. You attack N.K, they're just gonna go apeshit. You cannot attack them without loosing half of South Korea in large artilery craters.
4 & 6 are up to the American goverment to decide whether to do.
5 is a good idea in principle, but keeping an organisation at high alert blunts there effective edge, which is pribably nbot a good plan.

1. Yea, but they realize what this will do. If we do act on it, then US based companies will have to pull out of China, uemployement rates goes up over there, as well as they lose alot of money. It'll affect America too, prices of product will go up, as well as inflation, but I think China will be hit harder than USA.

2. It should be stressed that if he does attack Seoul, then he should expect retaliation. MAD may not work in this situation, but it's worth a try. At least it's better than doing nothing!

3. Yea, but the wonderful thing about Stealth technology, they won't know who or what hit them until it's too late. This bomb campagin will be a tightly run one too, The F-117 and B-2 bombs are laser guided, which means that there's less chance of a stray bomb hitting innocent civillians. If we just hit the important infrastructure, along with the arms pointed towards them, North Korea may be more willing to corperate with us. Like I said, people like Kim only understand force.

4 & 6. If the American government wants to protect the citizens and get re-elected in the next election, they would do it.

5. Yea, but it's better than being caught with our pants down. See, 5, and 4 works together. If NORAD intercepts a missile even before it approaches the Hawaiian island, then the commands can tell the Missile Defense team to get ready to shoot it down. NORAD and the Missile Defense Team must work together.

Glad to see you support my Middle East plan. :)

1. Yea, but they realize what this will do. If we do act on it, then US based companies will have to pull out of China, uemployement rates goes up over there, as well as they lose alot of money. It'll affect America too, prices of product will go up, as well as inflation, but I think China will be hit harder than USA.

2. It should be stressed that if he does attack Seoul, then he should expect retaliation. MAD may not work in this situation, but it's worth a try. At least it's better than doing nothing!

3. Yea, but the wonderful thing about Stealth technology, they won't know who or what hit them until it's too late. This bomb campagin will be a tightly run one too, The F-117 and B-2 bombs are laser guided, which means that there's less chance of a stray bomb hitting innocent civillians. If we just hit the important infrastructure, along with the arms pointed towards them, North Korea may be more willing to corperate with us. Like I said, people like Kim only understand force.

4 & 6. If the American government wants to protect the citizens and get re-elected in the next election, they would do it.

5. Yea, but it's better than being caught with our pants down. See, 5, and 4 works together. If NORAD intercepts a missile even before it approaches the Hawaiian island, then the commands can tell the Missile Defense team to get ready to shoot it down. NORAD and the Missile Defense Team must work together.

Glad to see you support my Middle East plan. :)

Even if they don't see the planes on radar, I don't think you can count on them not noticing the explosions. Unless you're going to hit all that artillery pointed at SK simultaneously...

1. Yea, but they realize what this will do. If we do act on it, then US based companies will have to pull out of China, uemployement rates goes up over there, as well as they lose alot of money. It'll affect America too, prices of product will go up, as well as inflation, but I think China will be hit harder than USA.

2. It should be stressed that if he does attack Seoul, then he should expect retaliation. MAD may not work in this situation, but it's worth a try. At least it's better than doing nothing!

3. Yea, but the wonderful thing about Stealth technology, they won't know who or what hit them until it's too late. This bomb campagin will be a tightly run one too, The F-117 and B-2 bombs are laser guided, which means that there's less chance of a stray bomb hitting innocent civillians. If we just hit the important infrastructure, along with the arms pointed towards them, North Korea may be more willing to corperate with us. Like I said, people like Kim only understand force.

4 & 6. If the American government wants to protect the citizens and get re-elected in the next election, they would do it.

5. Yea, but it's better than being caught with our pants down. See, 5, and 4 works together. If NORAD intercepts a missile even before it approaches the Hawaiian island, then the commands can tell the Missile Defense team to get ready to shoot it down. NORAD and the Missile Defense Team must work together.

Glad to see you support my Middle East plan. :)


1) Seeing as how the private sector is just that, Private, I'm seriously doubting they would pull out of China which would be a huge blow to the economy(Though you are right, it would hit the Chinese worse than us, it would still hit us hard.) Unless China does something to directly provoke us, this will not happen, the world reaction alone if we did this out of the blue just because China is buddy buddy with NK would be extremely harsh, in a time when America already isn't looked on to favourably.

2) Do your realize just how militarized the DMZ is? And just how many artillery and rocket pieces are aimed at SK? Military reports estime the civilian SK(and JUST the civilian SK) death toll to topp 100,000 int he first hour of a conflict with NK. Literraly thousands of artillery and rocket pieces are well within range of Seoul among other population centers and military installations.

If NK is attacked, NK WILL respond, a response that will kill thousands.

3) First of all Stealth tech does not mean you can not be seen, just that it is harder to see you so there is no gaurantee the NK's won't detect the bombers however unlikely it is.

Either way, as I stated above, hitting NK will provoke a very violent response, and as far as "aiming" all teh guns in SK and Japan at NK, where do you think they're aimed at already?

4) As much as you would want to, you can not just make the missile system work, its going to take time and lots of R&D before we have an effective shield, anyways, its already being worked on so this part is irrevelant.

5)Someone else already stated the problem with this, though in a crisis situation(Like in the case a strike was planned on NK as you mentionedin your plan) then I would hope NORAD would be on alert.

6) Which would insure widespread panic, which is very bad. And would warn the NK's that something is up...