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Rather gods of any kind, I saw a documentary on the Munich Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre) last night that truely horrified me.

That is why I don't beleive in god(s):(

Yea, but that's really the act of humans, not God(s).

Not believing in God because humans are stupid suggests to me that the latter is true, not the former.

Rather gods of any kind, I saw a documentary on the Munich Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre) last night that truely horrified me.

That is why I don't beleive in god(s):(


What does the Munich incident have to do with any god? In Munich some Palestinians were only paying back some of the cruelty imposed on entire Palestine by the intruding Jews. Zionism has someting to to with the onedimensional Jewish view on god and their alleged covenant with a god, but not the Munich incident. You seem to forget what Israel had done just prior to 1972. And "Wrath of God" and the Israeli impudence to name their revenge thus should be the reason why you don''t anylonger believe in god, especially the Jewish god. The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves and hurt Israel in every way they can.

The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves and hurt Israel in every way they can.

..and the rest of us have the right to laugh at them as they fail again and again and again.. :p

I still can't get over how much the whole hostage situation was bungled by Germany, you'd think the last thing they'd have wanted would be 'Jews Killed in Germany' running across world headlines again

Yea, but that's really the act of humans, not God(s).
How could God(s) let it happen though?

Really? That's the reason why you don't believe? I don't believe because of the fairy tale stories that usually follow. Man walks on water, muliplies fish, etc. Human events should be the last thing as to why you don't believe.

How could God(s) let it happen though?
Because god likes free will. Dur.

Although by saying this, the fundies are admitting one of the following: either their god is not omnipotent (since an omnipotent od would not be confined by logic, it could make the universe both evil-free and still retain humanity's free will) or not all-loving (since if the god is omnipotent, it must not be all-loving to allow sin to exist).

Because god likes free will. Dur.

Although by saying this, the fundies are admitting one of the following: either their god is not omnipotent (since an omnipotent od would not be confined by logic, it could make the universe both evil-free and still retain humanity's free will) or not all-loving (since if the god is omnipotent, it must not be all-loving to allow sin to exist).

I never get an answer to that part.

Sides, who needs a reason to not believe something?

What does the Munich incident have to do with any god? In Munich some Palestinians were only paying back some of the cruelty imposed on entire Palestine by the intruding Jews. Zionism has someting to to with the onedimensional Jewish view on god and their alleged covenant with a god, but not the Munich incident. You seem to forget what Israel had done just prior to 1972. And "Wrath of God" and the Israeli impudence to name their revenge thus should be the reason why you don''t anylonger believe in god, especially the Jewish god. The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves and hurt Israel in every way they can.

Cruelty? And what cruelty might this be? Intuding Jews? You're a rascist pig. So what are you even referring to Israel having done prior to 1972? By the way, terorists are not defending themselves by hurting others.

To EAST OF EDEN IS NOD, there is no Jewish G-d. There is G-d. He is the same G-d worshipped by Christianity, Islam, and, yes, the Palestinians.

I never get an answer to that part.

Sides, who needs a reason to not believe something?

Well when it comes to things that I've experienced, I generally do need a reason to believe they don't exist. For example:

"HotRod, that giant pink frog wasn't really there, you were just hallucinating because of the pharmaceutical cocktail you ingested."

"HotRod, you don't really exist, you're just a product of my overactive imagination."

"HotRod, that lion in the zoo was just a cardboard cutout because all the real lions are extinct."

And Congressional Dimwit, ADD isn't real; it's just the product of an overactive imagination and- ooh, shiny! Um... other things. :rolleyes:

Well when it comes to things that I've experienced, I generally do need a reason to believe they don't exist. For example:

"HotRod, that giant pink frog wasn't really there, you were just hallucinating because of the pharmaceutical cocktail you ingested."

"HotRod, you don't really exist, you're just a product of my overactive imagination."

"HotRod, that lion in the zoo was just a cardboard cutout because all the real lions are extinct."

True, when there's other reasons that need to be countered I suppose...

And Congressional Dimwit, ADD isn't real; it's just the product of an overactive imagination and- ooh, shiny! Um... other things. :rolleyes:

...You're Congressional Dimwits...

Well when it comes to things that I've experienced, I generally do need a reason to believe they don't exist. For example:

"HotRod, that giant pink frog wasn't really there, you were just hallucinating because of the pharmaceutical cocktail you ingested."

Hold on, you mean that green bubbly stuff wasn't merlot?

How could God(s) let it happen though?

Apathy?

...You're Congressional Dimwits...

As opposed to congressional geniouses? They don't exist.

Why do you ask?

Apathy?

I voted for apathy once. On a write-in.

Apathy?

A Real Response:

If there wasn't bad, we wouldn't know what good is. I think we need disaster to learn from. (Though, personally, I would much rather go without it.)

A Real Response:

If there wasn't bad, we wouldn't know what good is. I think we need disaster to learn from. (Though, personally, I would much rather go without it.)

Well how would you know it's worse to not know good?

Well how would you know it's worse to not know good?

Because you won't treasure it. You'll take it completely for granted, it'll become normal to you, and you will be upset by problems that, under former circumstances, would have seemed like heaven. For example, if you always eat high quality food, you won't notice the quality anymore unless it's truely spectacular or isn't as good as you're used to. I'll write a much better example in a sec.

Well how would you know it's worse to not know good?

When life is on the lower end of mediocre, it's flatly going to suck, but when you slip into your own private Hell, when you come back out, those former circumstances (that you previously disliked) will seem like heaven. You'll enjoy life. I'm happier now that I ever was before I got depression (and came back out), because now I can see how nice things truely are. It's like school. Most kids hate it (and would much rather not go) until they end up with home schooling, have to stay with their parents twenty-four hours a day, and rarely ever leave the house. Then, when they get back to school, while there will still be aspects they dislike, they will realise that it's not that bad, and it's certainly much better than the alternative. That's why I say that you can't feel what's good until after you've felt what's bad.

When life is on the lower end of mediocre, it's flatly going to suck, but when you slip into your own private Hell, when you come back out, those former circumstances (that you previously disliked) will seem like heaven. You'll enjoy life. I'm happier now that I ever was before I got depression (and came back out), because now I can see how nice things truely are. It's like school. Most kids hate it (and would much rather not go) until they end up with home schooling, have to stay with their parents twenty-four hours a day, and rarely ever leave the house. Then, when they get back to school, while there will still be aspects they dislike, they will realise that it's not that bad, and it's certainly much better than the alternative. That's why I say that you can't feel what's good until after you've felt what's bad.

Yeeeah...but, is feeling neither good nor bad necesarily worse?

A Real Response:

If there wasn't bad, we wouldn't know what good is. I think we need disaster to learn from. (Though, personally, I would much rather go without it.)


Have you thought about that sentence?

Isnt it like saying, "Without constant reminders of how awful life can be, we get to see how good it really is?"

Despite the fact that really awful shit keeps happening?

Despite the fact that it never gets any better?

Despite the fact, that the only pleasure to be had is in fleeting moments, and abstract concepts, and even then, not to be enjoyed by all?

What kind of God would make this some sort of sick test?
What for?
Are we like Job, where we are needlessly tortured our whole lives for some ridiculous point of arguement?
Isnt that like slowly plucking off the wings of an insect, to see how long it will die?
Thats the kind of thing serial killers do as children, not the supposed actions of a kind and benevolent "God".

Or maybe...

There isnt any rhyme or reason for why good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people, becuase there isnt any one mind, or person controlling everything.
Maybe, ..just maybe, Tsunamis devastate coastlines occasionally, as they have for centuries, and hurricanes wipe out communties as they always have, and the only real "Heaven" is the one you create for yourself and others, and that judging others behaviours based on some sillly old book of parables, and looking ahead to an afterlife that doesnt exist, is wasting what precious few years you have on this, or any other world.

Yeeeah...but, is feeling neither good nor bad necesarily worse?

What I'm saying is that feeling neither will eventually lead you to feeling bad, until you feel worse, then better, and can see how good things were all along. It's kind of convoluted (and I'm not very good at explaining things). However, that's just my experience (though, it seems rather common). It is, of course, up to you to come up with your own conclusion.

Have you thought about that sentence?

Isnt it like saying, "Without constant reminders of how awful life can be, we get to see how good it really is?"

Despite the fact that really awful shit keeps happening?

Despite the fact that it never gets any better?

Despite the fact, that the only pleasure to be had is in fleeting moments, and abstract concepts, and even then, not to be enjoyed by all?

What kind of God would make this some sort of sick test?
What for?
Are we like Job, where we are needlessly tortured our whole lives for some ridiculous point of arguement?
Isnt that like slowly plucking off the wings of an insect, to see how long it will die?
Thats the kind of thing serial killers do as children, not the supposed actions of a kind and benevolent "God".

Or maybe...

There isnt any rhyme or reason for why good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people, becuase there isnt any one mind, or person controlling everything.
Maybe, ..just maybe, Tsunamis devastate coastlines occasionally, as they have for centuries, and hurricanes wipe out communties as they always have, and the only real "Heaven" is the one you create for yourself and others, and that judging others behaviours based on some sillly old book of parables, and looking ahead to an afterlife that doesnt exist, is wasting what precious few years you have on this, or any other world.

I think you'd be interested in dieism. Both Jefferon and Lincoln were dieists. It means, beleiving G-d created the world, and then, essentially, left the rest up to us. Sort of to sit back and watch it go.

Nonetheless, you sound depressed (the real kind). Are you? If so, you should take antidepressants. (Trust me, they make life wonderful.) If you don't know, you should honestly check yourself for it (that way you can get life not to suck so badly). Do you have trouble sleeping (insomnia)? Do you have a bad memory or an unusually short attention span? Does enjoyment last pretty much only as long as the enjoyable thing is actually happening (that's if you enjoy things at all)? Do you always feel busy, even when you'r not doing much? Do you think death would be a good thing? Do you feel attached to anyone (including family)? Do you find things (or people) are frequently irritating? Are you always or frequently bored? If so, see a doctor/psychologist/psychiatrist. Seriously. Since I got antidepressants, I've been that happiest I have ever been in my entire life. I reccommend it for you too.

Yea, but that's really the act of humans, not God(s).
An act of faith, to be exact.

Some ideologies elevated certain people to the status of gods, and achieved the same results. The conclusion to be drawn is that worship of any entity is undesirable.

An act of faith, to be exact.

Some ideologies elevated certain people to the status of gods, and achieved the same results. The conclusion to be drawn is that worship of any entity is undesirable.

What ideologies are you talking about that have to do with Munich.

What ideologies are you talking about that have to do with Munich.
Nothing to do with Munich.

I was replying to a more general post in general terms.

I think you'd be interested in dieism. Both Jefferon and Lincoln were dieists. It means, beleiving G-d created the world, and then, essentially, left the rest up to us. Sort of to sit back and watch it go.

I know what it means, thanks for the explanation.



Nonetheless, you sound depressed (the real kind). Are you?

If you must know, why yes.
I am, or have been for years on end now.




If so, you should take antidepressants. (Trust me, they make life wonderful.)

No, they mask symptoms with a heavy dose of seratonin, and then prevent the brain from soaking it back up.
Seratonin re-uptake inhibitors, thats what your garden variety of anti-depressants are.

More importantly, they are a crutch, to be used by people who lack the courage to change the situations wich fuel thier depressive tendancies.
Also the side-effects from these medicines can be worse than the affliction.
I know this, becuase Ive been on all the popular medicines prescibed.

These days, I take nothing, and have never been in more control over my own mental state, than I am now.






Seriously. Since I got antidepressants, I've been that happiest I have ever been in my entire life. I reccommend it for you too.

I have no doubt you are getting benefits from being medicated, perhaps needlessly.
Its a shame so many doctors throw pills at patients, intstead of actually treating the illness.

As for my scary words earlier, if it sounds depressing, thats too bad.
Life sucks...get used to it.
The question is, how will you deal with it?

In your case, youve decided to medicate yourself physically, and perhaps spiritually as well.
Youve taken whatever medicinal or spiritual placebo you need, and carry on pretending nothings wrong.

To insinuate that disaster is necessary to enjoy good....thats assinine.

blind fath is wot keeps the mind of masses from free thinking ans is a good way to start wars so therfor should be stoped the whole story of is there a god is to control all the people all the time like the BDSMERS say free your mind you ass will folow :headbang: