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Well, I just check the CNN website, and Hezbollah is ready for open war. Let's quickly recap the world events that's been going on. We have North Korea develping missiles that would carry a Nuclear payload, we have Iran developing their own Nuclear weapon program. We have the US in Iraq, and Afghanistan. We have Israel bombing the crap out of Lebonan, of course to stop the terrorist Hezbollah. Syria and Iran are involved in that as well. Russia and China are backing North Korea, they may not say it out in the open, but comon, NK is a client state of China, so yea. So, what do I think we should do, when the global climate is turned up from simmering to near boil? I say we kiss our collective ass goodbye! The ONLY way this will end, is Israel and North Korea is wiped off the map. Of course if they are, then China, Russia, Japan, USA, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and basically every major country in the world will get involved in what is basically World War III.

Calm down. It will all settle down in a few months. Go have a nice martini and try to think about more pleasant things.

July hasen't been a very good month so far. :(

way i see it, if were all gunna die, that we should have a good time

Ooh now they're ready for open war. About two days too late.

"We're ready for open war!" .. "Oh shit they just blew up our headquarters!".

I think Gir from Invader Zim puts it quite nicely.

http://www.siberkat.com/thewavszim2/yaydoomg.wav

Thank you Gir.

I think Gir from Invader Zim puts it quite nicely.

http://www.siberkat.com/thewavszim2/yaydoomg.wav

Thank you Gir.

w00t!

I think Gir from Invader Zim puts it quite nicely.

http://www.siberkat.com/thewavszim2/yaydoomg.wav

Thank you Gir.
That wav file doesn't seem to work on my computer.

That wav file doesn't seem to work on my computer.

It basically has him saying "Yay We're doomed!"

Well, I just check the CNN website, and Hezbollah is ready for open war. Let's quickly recap the world events that's been going on. We have North Korea develping missiles that would carry a Nuclear payload, we have Iran developing their own Nuclear weapon program. We have the US in Iraq, and Afghanistan. We have Israel bombing the crap out of Lebonan, of course to stop the terrorist Hezbollah. Syria and Iran are involved in that as well. Russia and China are backing North Korea, they may not say it out in the open, but comon, NK is a client state of China, so yea. So, what do I think we should do, when the global climate is turned up from simmering to near boil? I say we kiss our collective ass goodbye! The ONLY way this will end, is Israel and North Korea is wiped off the map. Of course if they are, then China, Russia, Japan, USA, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and basically every major country in the world will get involved in what is basically World War III.

We're all fucked in the future one way or another, whether it be by cancer, liver disease, a giant astroid slamming into the earth, or an apocolyptic world war. Look at it this way, if we have a war at least the light show will be pretty...

FullMetalJacket']We're all fucked in the future one way or another, whether it be by cancer, liver disease, a giant astroid slamming into the earth, or an apocolyptic world war. Look at it this way, if we have a war at least the light show will be pretty...

Yea, until you realize that one of the rockets seems to be...*kaboom*

Israel did something like this in 1996; it ultimately cooled down and negotiations prevailed. I wouldn't worry about this for the simple fact that there is too much to lose from a large scale war for the major powers to get involved.

I think this calls for....

The End of the World (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php)

Israel did something like this in 1996; it ultimately cooled down and negotiations prevailed. I wouldn't worry about this for the simple fact that there is too much to lose from a large scale war for the major powers to get involved.

Yea, but we can't always count on events unfolding like they did in the past.

FullMetalJacket']We're all fucked in the future one way or another, whether it be by cancer, liver disease, a giant astroid slamming into the earth, or an apocolyptic world war. Look at it this way, if we have a war at least the light show will be pretty...
if you live long enough to watch the lightshow, it'll blind you. you will be cursed to a sightless existence, in which I, the one-eyed man in the land of the blind, will be king.

actually i'll just be faking the one-eyed bit for the sake of poetry

I think the real question is "Who will the big players side with?"

The Chinese and the Russians are not backing North Korea per se but they are definately not gonna want the Japanese and the Americans provoking a war in their back yards. It all depends on who makes the first move. If the Koreans launch a missile at Japan then the Chinese and Russians will most likely side with the UN against the aggressors. Likewise if America launches a pre-emptive strike on NK then China and Russia will back the Koreans.

As for the Israeli situation, I can't help but think that the Israelis are using their kidnapped soldiers as an excuse for war. The fact is, It doesn't take an army to find 2 soldiers. They are the aggressors in this, even though Hezbollah made the first move.

It all boils down to a power game between East and West. The US can't be made to seem weak but at the same time they can't afford to be the ones to provoke a war in East Asia.

All us civilians can do is sit back and wait. There is not point in worrying about it, if there is a Nuclear war it'll be over before we can panic. Don't worry about it

Well, I just check the CNN website, and Hezbollah is ready for open war. Let's quickly recap the world events that's been going on. We have North Korea develping missiles that would carry a Nuclear payload, we have Iran developing their own Nuclear weapon program. We have the US in Iraq, and Afghanistan. We have Israel bombing the crap out of Lebonan, of course to stop the terrorist Hezbollah. Syria and Iran are involved in that as well. Russia and China are backing North Korea, they may not say it out in the open, but comon, NK is a client state of China, so yea. So, what do I think we should do, when the global climate is turned up from simmering to near boil? I say we kiss our collective ass goodbye! The ONLY way this will end, is Israel and North Korea is wiped off the map. Of course if they are, then China, Russia, Japan, USA, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and basically every major country in the world will get involved in what is basically World War III.
I offer you a very nice and especially quiet cottage by one the purest lakes in Europe. In our very quiet and neutral country of Finland. Just 999$ a week.

Yea, but we can't always count on events unfolding like they did in the past.

Remember the cliche "those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"...and that's exactly what they're doing. In 1996, we had similar situations in Iran and North Korea, oil and natural gas prices were rising, the economy was slowing and instability was plaguing the developing world. It didn't come to war then and it won't now; there's just too much to lose by doing so.

Unfortunately, the peace process has been set back immeasurably and it will take a decade to rebuild it...just like we had to after the 1996 crisis.

I offer you a very nice and especially quiet cottage by one the purest lakes in Europe. In our very quiet and neutral country of Finland. Just 999$ a week.

I'll give you our models, and US Miss America Pagent winner, as well as Chuck Norris, and $1 million to buy the cottage.

Frankly, I hope for a full-scale global conflict. I'm tired of all the undue complacency on one side, and I'm tired of the "nuke 'em all! :sniper: " sentiment on the other. I'm not saying I support a nuclear war, but a little bloodletting is helpful from time to time...if nothing else, because it reminds people why peace should be their goal.

Besides, I live a good 50 miles from the biggest city in my State, which is still so small that, if it's come up as a nuclear target, the fallout from every other city in the nation will probably have already killed me.

I think Gir from Invader Zim puts it quite nicely.

http://www.siberkat.com/thewavszim2/yaydoomg.wav

Thank you Gir.

That may have to go as my shutdown noise for windows. Or startup. I'm torn.

Remember the cliche "those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"...and that's exactly what they're doing. In 1996, we had similar situations in Iran and North Korea, oil and natural gas prices were rising, the economy was slowing and instability was plaguing the developing world. It didn't come to war then and it won't now; there's just too much to lose by doing so.

Unfortunately, the peace process has been set back immeasurably and it will take a decade to rebuild it...just like we had to after the 1996 crisis.

Yea, but in NK, it appears we have a Cold War type situation, where it would seems like MAD would come into play. However, the leaders of NK and Iran are not sane by any stretch of the imagination, and MAD won't work with them.

That may have to go as my shutdown noise for windows. Or startup. I'm torn.

I would go with shutdown.

I would go with shutdown.
and put "Thank you for pressing the self-destruct button" as your startup. see how many people notice.

and put "Thank you for pressing the self-destruct button" as your startup. see how many people notice.

Yep!

I'll give you our models, and US Miss America Pagent winner, as well as Chuck Norris, and $1 million to buy the cottage.
Chuck Norris? That's more than enough for me!!!
Bring him to me and I give you the keys.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=finland,+miikkulanniementie&ie=UTF8&ll=61.929824,29.389286&spn=0.053554,0.118275&t=k&om=1

Yea, but in NK, it appears we have a Cold War type situation, where it would seems like MAD would come into play. However, the leaders of NK and Iran are not sane by any stretch of the imagination, and MAD won't work with them.
not only are they not sane, they're mad!

everyone's thinking it, i'm just saying it...

Well it's one two three
What are we fightin' for?
Dunno and I dont give a damn
They got nukes in Iran
And its five six seven
Open up the pearly gates
Aint no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die

DON'T TOUCH THAT! It's the History Eraser Button, you fool!

Yea, but in NK, it appears we have a Cold War type situation, where it would seems like MAD would come into play. However, the leaders of NK and Iran are not sane by any stretch of the imagination, and MAD won't work with them.

Well, NK has been that way for 50 years. Although their economy is in terrible shape, they still have major trade relations with China and Russia that would be jeopardized by a nuclear or conventional war. Those three nations are more interested in trade and using NK as a loyal buffer rather than a war that would cost them immensely.

Iran's been nuts for years; however, they're facing total economic collapse and growing internal dissent that will present a major distraction to the government. Also, they simply don't have the resources to fight a war; they are dependent on foreign imports of fuel and their military is in poor shape. Even if they get a nuke, they'll still be unable to do much with it because they are still constrained by their allies and the concernss of the regional powers like Saudi Arabia and Egypt.

Hezbollah wants open war? don't they know that the Arabs have lost each and every war they have fought with Israel? Fine...let them wage open war. I'm sure Lebanon would love to back up Israel in defeating these idiots.

Yea, but in NK, it appears we have a Cold War type situation, where it would seems like MAD would come into play. However, the leaders of NK and Iran are not sane by any stretch of the imagination, and MAD won't work with them.

Mutual Assured Destrution might work on the remaining one after it is tried on the first. Especially since it isnt exactly mutual..

Im just saying...

Hezbollah wants open war? don't they know that the Arabs have lost each and every war they have fought with Israel? Fine...let them wage open war. I'm sure Lebanon would love to back up Israel in defeating these idiots.

Why would they back Israel? Israel is destorying their airports, ports, and homes. I wouldn't support a country that destoryed my country's infrastructure and my home.

Mutual Assured Destrution might work on the remaining one after it is tried on the first. Especially since it isnt exactly mutual..

Im just saying...

Yea, I had an idea of putting Nukes in Japan and South Korea pointing towards North Korea, but one of my friend said that the only reason MAD worked with Russia is because Russian leaders understood that if one nuke flies, they all fly. This time we're not sure if Kim and the leader of Iran understands this.

I think this calls for....

The End of the World (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php)

Not to nitpick, but why does China have a Japanese flag?

Japan bought them?

I think this calls for....

The End of the World (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end.php)

I love that but why do the chinese have the japanese flag?! And Mars is laughing at us...Thats sad.

Why would they back Israel? Israel is destorying their airports, ports, and homes. I wouldn't support a country that destoryed my country's infrastructure and my home.

If some little guy sicked a giant dog on you, would you prefer to A) kill the guy with help from the dog, B) be the dog's chew toy while the guy casually tries to kill it, or C) kill both of them? Remember, you're playing the part of the Lebanese government in this situation...

Japan bought them?

Didn't Japan actually try to conquer China a long time ago? I rember learning that in my Asian History Class.

Yay!

Not to nitpick, but why does China have a Japanese flag?
Chinese, Japanese, they all look the same, right? [/dumb racist statement]

If some little guy sicked a giant dog on you, would you prefer to A) kill the guy with help from the dog, B) be the dog's chew toy while the guy casually tries to kill it, or C) kill both of them? Remember, you're playing the part of the Lebanese government in this situation...

Eh C.

Didn't Japan actually try to conquer China a long time ago? I rember learning that in my Asian History Class.
Yeah. Japan totally owned their asses prior to getting the crap knocked out of them in WWII.

Not to nitpick, but why does China have a Japanese flag?

Because that fillum is from the future

Because that fillum is from the future
http://forums.rebelalliance.ws/images/smiles/dancing_pickle.gif

Yeah. Japan totally owned their asses prior to getting the crap knocked out of them in WWII.

Yea, now I remember.

Why would they back Israel? Israel is destorying their airports, ports, and homes. I wouldn't support a country that destoryed my country's infrastructure and my home.

I guess you didn't hear the fact that sunnis, Christians, and other non-shia's are pretty pissed off at hezbollah for doing what they did that caused Israel to attack? Yea they aren't happy about Israel doing that but they are more upset with hebollah.

Eh C.

Exactly...which means war against Israel, preferably once theyir troops simmer down and are calm, due to their foreseen foes being gone...

At which point, Lebanon's leadership screams "Fire ze missiles!"

Exactly...which means war against Israel, preferably once theyir troops simmer down and are calm, due to their foreseen foes being gone...

At which point, Lebanon's leadership screams "Fire ze missiles!"

You know, I though about this today, what would the Middle East be like if Israel never came back into existance in the mid 20th century?

You know, I though about this today, what would the Middle East be like if Israel never came back into existance in the mid 20th century?
My personal opinion is that they wouldn't be much different than they are now.

You know, I though about this today, what would the Middle East be like if Israel never came back into existance in the mid 20th century?

If memory serves, wasn't it one of our Cold War "please don't go commie" states?

If it hadn't been there, I can only assume that the Cold War would've turned out at least slightly different.

My personal opinion is that they wouldn't be much different than they are now.
If they weren't beating on the Jews in the region, they'd pound the Kurds or the Christians, I bet. If Israel wasn't there, I bet the Sunnis and Shi'ites would be fighting each other.

The problem is that it seems everyone (or at least those with guns) in the Middle East feel that any form of compromise is a sign of weakness.

You know, I though about this today, what would the Middle East be like if Israel never came back into existance in the mid 20th century?

Probably still messed up. Mainly due to the Sunni-Shiite divide, the persistence of tribalism, and the fact that the Middle East was a battleground between East and West even without Israel.

The problem is that it seems everyone (or at least those with guns) in the Middle East feel that any form of compromise is a sign of weakness.

I've lived in the US my whole life...and I can tell you that this mode of thinking is hardly exclusive to that area.

If memory serves, wasn't it one of our Cold War "please don't go commie" states?

If it hadn't been there, I can only assume that the Cold War would've turned out at least slightly different.


Russia might have been able to get more friendly with Iran and Iraq, and could have potentially gotten a very powerful foothold in the oil market. This is taking it to the logical (or illogical) extremes, but if communists took power in the Middle East and were both loyal to Russia and were able to suppress internal dissent, the USSR might not have had the economic collapse it had, because of its holdings in the oil market. But this is just a wild guess on my part.

I've lived in the US my whole life...and I can tell you that this mode of thinking is hardly exclusive to that area.

But in the US they don't negotiate with car bombs or rockets. (Or at least in the parts of the states that I have lived in)

Probably still messed up. Mainly due to the Sunni-Shiite divide, the persistence of tribalism, and the fact that the Middle East was a battleground between East and West even without Israel.
Yeah and in my opinion, they're clinging to a falied culture and suffering for it while watching westernized cultures prosper and it's making them confused and angry. They're convinced that their culture is superior, so if it's failing to bring them prosperity and the "corrupt and soulless" culture of the west is prospering that must mean the western nations are somehow holding them back.

Russia might have been able to get more friendly with Iran and Iraq, and could have potentially gotten a very powerful foothold in the oil market. This is taking it to the logical (or illogical) extremes, but if communists took power in the Middle East and were both loyal to Russia and were able to suppress internal dissent, the USSR might not have had the economic collapse it had, because of its holdings in the oil market. But this is just a wild guess on my part.

Though, the US policy at the time was pretty much to throw money and support under the table at whoever was fighting against the communists, which could've led to even more brutal revolutions and dictatorships in the area.

The ONLY way this will end, is Israel and North Korea is wiped off the map.

Ender Wiggin would be very ashamed of you, for that matter I don't like you much myself either. I mean really, to start out with..."I just read on CNN" and then to conclude with "this will be World War III!!" (Roughly quoting of course) is just plain foolish. People like you make situations like this worse. Shut up and go find a contractor to build a bomb shelter while the rest of us let those smart enough figure out what to do and how to do it. It has been done in the past, but since CNN says so....who knows?

go find a contractor to build a bomb shelter while the rest of us let those smart enough figure out what to do and how to do it.

Much as I agree that the situation is blown far out of proportion, I think you have a bit of an inflated view of your own importance in such matters...unless you just happen to be a major world leader and a NationStates player.

thank god the media forgot bird flu

Though, the US policy at the time was pretty much to throw money and support under the table at whoever was fighting against the communists, which could've led to even more brutal revolutions and dictatorships in the area.

That wasn't uniquely US policy. What I imagine would happen in this situation would be a massive, ugly war with tons of US "advisors" on the ground, and eventually devolving into a hybrid of the Korean and Vietnam war.

Remember the cliche "those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"...and that's exactly what they're doing. In 1996, we had similar situations in Iran and North Korea, oil and natural gas prices were rising, the economy was slowing and instability was plaguing the developing world. It didn't come to war then and it won't now; there's just too much to lose by doing so.

Unfortunately, the peace process has been set back immeasurably and it will take a decade to rebuild it...just like we had to after the 1996 crisis.

The quote is accurate, but this isn't an exact repeat of 1996 either. The US didn't have as large of a contingent of troops in the area back then. If Iran were to take the opportunity to "Wipe Israel from the map" (which is a stated goal of the Iranian leadership), the powder keg will blow. It all depends on the insane thoughts going through the head of an insane leader...Good Times.

And to think, if WWI had ended correctly (and not laid the groundwork for WWII and the subsequent attempted genocide) the history between then and now would be totally different and presumably more peaceful. Or we'd all be dead due to MAD...

Much as I agree that the situation is blown far out of proportion, I think you have a bit of an inflated view of your own importance in such matters...unless you just happen to be a major world leader and a NationStates player.
"Because sometimes even national leaders want to just hang out."

Much as I agree that the situation is blown far out of proportion, I think you have a bit of an inflated view of your own importance in such matters...unless you just happen to be a major world leader and a NationStates player.

I think you're reading between the lines too much. I never claimed any sway one way or another. I'm just an NS'er annoyed with the idea of genocide. Rude and or sarcastic comments are included, but no suggestion of my own power. 'Sides if I were, you have to consider how often have things changed just because one person took action.

I think you're reading between the lines too much. I never claimed any sway one way or another. I'm just an NS'er annoyed with the idea of genocide. Rude and or sarcastic comments are included, but no suggestion of my own power. 'Sides if I were, you have to consider how often have things changed just because one person took action.
reading between the lines is what world leaders and NSers do best. well some world leaders. and some NSers (i just skip lines).

reading between the lines is what world leaders and NSers do best. well some world leaders. and some NSers (i just skip lines).

Yeah, it's not really Nermid's fault, I'm just annoyed to begin with. Genocide?? Really c'mon. Surely CNN doesn't have that much sway as to cause such catastrophic modes of reasoning, if so, well maybe we really are doomed.

I think you're reading between the lines too much. I never claimed any sway one way or another. I'm just an NS'er annoyed with the idea of genocide. Rude and or sarcastic comments are included, but no suggestion of my own power. 'Sides if I were, you have to consider how often have things changed just because one person took action.

How the hell did you get Genocide out of my post??