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Serie A sides Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina have been demoted to the second division for their involvement in Italy's match-fixing scandal.
AC Milan will stay in Serie A but will lose 15 points and will be kicked out of the Champions League.

Juventus were also stripped of their last two titles and had 30 points deducted meaning that they are almost certain to stay down for two seasons.


Yeow-zah!! :eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/5164194.stm

The FIGC (Italian football's governing body) must hand Uefa the lists of teams that will be involved in European competitions by 25 July, with Juventus, AC Milan and and Fiorentina out of the Champions League and Lazio thrown out of the Uefa Cup.

Inter, Roma, Chievo and Palermo, who finished third, fifth and seventh and eighth are all expected to be the teams taking part in next season's Champions League.

Let the biggest transfer market in footballs history be open for business :D

serves them right for cheating

Yeow-zah!! :eek:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/5164194.stm


Let the biggest transfer market in footballs history be open for business :D
Was just going to post this...

Think the fact that Berlusconi owns Milan helped them avoid relegation?

I hope Chelsea don't get too many players. Hopefully Buffon will go to Arsenal (there was a story on BBC Sport (I think) linking him with a move there). Cannavaro has already been linked with Real Madrid, and Thuram with Spurs. It's possible Arsenal may go for Trezeguet if they don't get Saviola.

Juve had thirty points deducted. I understand this to mean that they staret the 2006/7 season at -30 points. :D

Who wants a Nedved, going cheap!

Juve had thirty points deducted. I understand this to mean that they staret the 2006/7 season at -30 points. :D

Who wants a Nedved, going cheap!
I don't see why they didn't just relegate them to Serie C1 and not bother deducting anything. They'll finish mid-table next season and then get promoted the season after - so be back in Serie A in 08/09, just as they would be if relegated to C1.

And Nedved's past it. On the past it note, I'm not sure why Spurs want Thuram - remember how he struggled against Arsenal in the CL last season? He'll be facing attacks that fast week in, week out next season.

Juve had thirty points deducted. I understand this to mean that they staret the 2006/7 season at -30 points. :D

Who wants a Nedved, going cheap!

Sadly, nobody will.

As a M.United fan, the one team whose players I actually wanted have remained in Seria A. Football is very unfair.

This is only the best of news to millions of Inter fans in the world (including me). I only hope we can steal as many players as possible (Luca Toni will surely be coming to Inter now).

Sometimes the referees haven't been subtle when it came to helping Juve, their last game of the season (I think against Palermo) saw two certain penalties turned down when Palermo players were fouled, and it was just a coincidence that the match was a match Juve had to win? I think not.

Think the fact that Berlusconi owns Milan helped them avoid relegation?

I hope Chelsea don't get too many players.
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I think that Burlesque-Toni is too busy worrying about his own legal problems to have done much about ACM - so no - if anything it probably counted against them.

As to Chelsea, who would they want from these three clubs. As I understand it they are not actively looking to buy at the moment, apart from Abramovich (not Mourinho) wanting to buy Roberto Carlos??!? :confused:

As of now, Italian futbol has caught up to where Italian politics was ten years ago. Sehr gut!

Was just going to post this...
Heheheheheh.


Think the fact that Berlusconi owns Milan helped them avoid relegation?
I have my suspicions alright.


I hope Chelsea don't get too many players. Hopefully Buffon will go to Arsenal (there was a story on BBC Sport (I think) linking him with a move there). Cannavaro has already been linked with Real Madrid, and Thuram with Spurs. It's possible Arsenal may go for Trezeguet if they don't get Saviola.
Chelsea already got Ballack for free so I doubt they could fit many more in their side!
But in general this must be mouth watering for other European clubs.

I mean goddam! What a chance to pick up some of the worlds best for free! :eek:

I don't see why they didn't just relegate them to Serie C1 and not bother deducting anything. They'll finish mid-table next season and then get promoted the season after - so be back in Serie A in 08/09, just as they would be if relegated to C1.

And Nedved's past it. On the past it note, I'm not sure why Spurs want Thuram - remember how he struggled against Arsenal in the CL last season? He'll be facing attacks that fast week in, week out next season.

The financial loss of Juve in Seria C1 would force the club into liquidation. No prosecutor would have the bollocks to force the pre-eminent club in Italy into bankruptcy. However, having relegated them to seria B but deducted 30 points, it serves much the same effect but allows Juve a chance to recover.

I think that Burlesque-Toni is too busy worrying about his own legal problems to have done much about ACM - so no - if anything it probably counted against them.

As to Chelsea, who would they want from these three clubs. As I understand it they are not actively looking to buy at the moment, apart from Abramovich (not Mourinho) wanting to buy Roberto Carlos??!? :confused:
Berlusconi did have enough time to make a statement about it, saying something along the lines of 'Please don't relegate Milan, I'll lose a bundle of cash'. ;)

Chelsea might want a striker, seeing as Drogba isn't brilliant. Toni, Trezeguet or Ibrahimovic might attract their attention. There was also a rumour that they've registered their interest in Cannavaro.

Chelsea might want a striker, seeing as Drogba isn't brilliant. Toni, Trezeguet or Ibrahimovic might attract their attention. There was also a rumour that they've registered their interest in Cannavaro.

I can see them wanting a striker, but Cannavaro? They would have to pay his wages as well as those of Terry and Carvalho, for only two of them to play. Don't forget that they have a quality reserve in Huth (for now anyway). Seriously the positions that Chelsea need to improve are the full backs (no injury cover) and someone to work up front if they can't get Crespo going. Toni I could go with, but not Trezeguet. Ibrahimovich is too much like Drogba in the way he plays - one or the other I think.

I can see them wanting a striker, but Cannavaro? They would have to pay his wages as well as those of Terry and Carvalho, for only two of them to play. Don't forget that they have a quality reserve in Huth (for now anyway). Seriously the positions that Chelsea need to improve are the full backs (no injury cover) and someone to work up front if they can't get Crespo going. Toni I could go with, but not Trezeguet. Ibrahimovich is too much like Drogba in the way he plays - one or the other I think.
Well, you may be getting Ashley Cole. I can imagine Chelsea playing Terry and Cannavaro in defence, with Carvalho as backup. They can afford the wages quite easily. And Huth is likely to go, though he failed a medical at Middlesbrough. Gallas can play at either left or right back, and you've got Ferreira and Del Horno in right and left back respectively. If you get Cole or Roberto Carlos you have cover at left back (Del Horno) and cover at right back (Gallas).

Actually, Chelsea have brought in Shevchenko and Kalou already, so they don't need another forward (although Gudjohnsen went to Barca(?) and Carlton Cole has gone to West Ham).

Good!

Now hopefully the same kind of investigation can be undertaken in the Premiership as well.

Bye Bye Chelski, Manure, Liverpooh...

ahhh one can dream :)

/me being a Leeds fan and I don't care:)

Good!

Now hopefully the same kind of investigation can be undertaken in the Premiership as well.

Bye Bye Chelski, Manure, Liverpooh...

ahhh one can dream :)

/me being a Leeds fan and I don't care:)

Who the fuck are you then?

We bought your best player, and we bought your best player before that!

*hums ooh ahh*;)

Think the fact that Berlusconi owns Milan helped them avoid relegation?

Milan was called into question because they promised to give a ref/line judge a wig, as opposed to Juventus who chose officials for the Champions League.. so, they deserve a little less punishment, don't they?

Plus, their CEO/President of Serie A Adriano Galliani has been banned for a year.

Well, you may be getting Ashley Cole. I can imagine Chelsea playing Terry and Cannavaro in defence, with Carvalho as backup. They can afford the wages quite easily. And Huth is likely to go, though he failed a medical at Middlesbrough. Gallas can play at either left or right back, and you've got Ferreira and Del Horno in right and left back respectively. If you get Cole or Roberto Carlos you have cover at left back (Del Horno) and cover at right back (Gallas).

Actually, Chelsea have brought in Shevchenko and Kalou already, so they don't need another forward (although Gudjohnsen went to Barca(?) and Carlton Cole has gone to West Ham).

Apparently Del Horno is going to some Spanish club, so Chelsea will need both Ashely Cole and Roberto Carlos to have some cover on the left. If Chelsea are going to play 4-4-2 next season, then theyll need possibly 1 more striker to make sure they've got cover there too. Out of Trezeguet, Toni and Ibrahimovic I'd say that Chelsea would get the Swede, because Toni is almost certainly going to Inter and Ibrahimovic is the better out of him and Trezeguet.

Who the fuck are you then?

We bought your best player, and we bought your best player before that!

*hums ooh ahh*;)

I'm the fuck with a sense of humour which you are clearly lacking.

Dolt.

I'm the fuck with a sense of humour which you are clearly lacking.

Dolt.

Sorry. Manure arrogance showing.;)

If its any consolation, I did feel sorry for you when you lost to Watford.

Sorry. Manure arrogance showing.;)

If its any consolation, I did feel sorry for you when you lost to Watford.

The thought has crossed my mind :)

Its a nightmare though...you buy our best players like Cantana and look what we get in return...Lee bloody Sharp

I was not surprised we lost to Watford....they were up for it...their manager was REALLY up for it....we played like a bunch of girls.

/Oh to be at Manures training ground when Shrek and Ugly Bastard turn up!

All teams will appeal against the verdict, and a lot of worthless politicians here are screaming against the nasty judges. First of all, of course, mr. Berlusconi, who loves to hate judges.

It will take a lot of stamina for the appeal judges to resist the hordes of tifosi and confirm the relegations. You know, there's nothing like football to summon a rebellion here.

Yeah....gives my team (Middlesbrough) chance to by more dud Italians......Macorrone...£8.5 million...nuff said

Was just going to post this...

Think the fact that Berlusconi owns Milan helped them avoid relegation?

I hope Chelsea don't get too many players. Hopefully Buffon will go to Arsenal (there was a story on BBC Sport (I think) linking him with a move there). Cannavaro has already been linked with Real Madrid, and Thuram with Spurs. It's possible Arsenal may go for Trezeguet if they don't get Saviola.
I'd like to see the players suffer even if they had nothing to do with it.

Yeah....gives my team (Middlesbrough) chance to by more dud Italians......Macorrone...£8.5 million...nuff said
Wasn't he the dude who scored the goal that put you into the UEFA Cup final?

It will take a lot of stamina for the appeal judges to resist the hordes of tifosi and confirm the relegations. You know, there's nothing like football to summon a rebellion here.

To quote Morbo, the tifosi are 'belligerent and numerous.' (http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&ct=us/4-0&fp=44b804e0b25f0e83&ei=VB24RPeCCqqKHJ6sqK0O&url=http%3A//football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0%2C%2C-5951916%2C00.html&cid=0&sig2=09T0AGhUGiMsRuLf_2FPOA)

If that was just a spontaneous gathering, I shudder to think what the Ultras will come up with.

Either Juve is going to hang in there and finish mid-table next season, or with the loss of there players that will jump ship (can we say firesale) they will be relegated to Serie C1 and probally cease to exist. Thats what ya get when you cheat and brag about it. Serves them right.

calm down with talk of firesales, more players wil be loaned out for the season than sold. fiorentina dont have a massive wage bill and we have seen their fans remain ferociously loyal, nazio are shite anyway and juve have more than enough cash to pay the exisitng contracts. if players are reluctant to play in B, off they go on loan.

the panic selling will happen if any of them dont get up first time round.

there was no firesale when nazio and milan ended up in b in 1980 for the same scalliwaggery.

Exactly, players should play for their clubs not for themselves, if the team can't afford them for the season they can just loan them out.

the panic selling will happen if any of them dont get up first time round.


Problem for Juve is they enter wih a 30 point deduction, I don't see them going up at first shot

Yeah....gives my team (Middlesbrough) chance to by more dud Italians......Macorrone...£8.5 million...nuff said

I thought you guys had bought a good young player at the time, I'm suprised he has done so badly

One big Italian player fire-sale!
I'm sure the other Italian teams will be fighting over benefits of the misery of the trio.

calm down with talk of firesales, more players wil be loaned out for the season than sold. fiorentina dont have a massive wage bill and we have seen their fans remain ferociously loyal, nazio are shite anyway and juve have more than enough cash to pay the exisitng contracts. if players are reluctant to play in B, off they go on loan.

the panic selling will happen if any of them dont get up first time round.

there was no firesale when nazio and milan ended up in b in 1980 for the same scalliwaggery.
I see a few problems :

1) Wage cap in serie B. Juventus, Lazio and Fiorentina will only be allowed to spend 70% of their ticket income on player salaries. Since Fiorentina and Lazio spent in excess of 80% of their ticket income on player salaries this season, it's hard to imagine that their fans will flock in with more will to see them play against a Serie B side than a Serie A side... Juventus are re-building their stadium, and will be in a 27,000 seater... Unless the fans pack the stadium and buy tickets in excess of £1,600 per seat, then Juve will have to sell players.

2) Loaning isn't a real option. Both Juve, Fiorentina, Lazio and AC Milan are in the italian league and as such have particular rules on non-EU player transfers. This means that they would prefer to loan non-EU players to non-italian clubs so that they don't "lose" a non-EU place. But how many players in those clubs would accept to be loaned to second-ranked clubs? If Ibrahimovic and co are going somewhere, it's somewhere big! And such clubs wouldn't want a simple loan deal for a player of such talent. So Juve, Lazio and Fiorentina would be forced to loan players to foreign clubs... But with buying options for the loanee club. And that would invariably lead to the fragilisation of their squad. As for EU players, it's even harder. What italian club would accept to pay over 70% of a player's salary, and not have a buy-on option? In Italy, clubs would probably ask for a co-ownership option. But this means that after one season, had Juventus, Fiorentina and Lazio less money than their co-ownees, then they would "lose" the player, accordingly to the bid process. So loaning a player for one season is highly unprobable, since it would require the loanee club to pay massive amounts in salary fees, and still not have any assurance over the player's future... And that's not what the loanee club would want.

3) Lazio and Milan didn't exactly have firesales... But their teams were destroyed in 1980. Capello retired, Albertosi suspended for 2 seasons, Rivera retired, Giordano banned for 2 seasons, and many other players left the club without having become household names (others were suspended). So it was indeed more of a mass retirement and banning that happened in 1980... However, this time there are many players who are far from retirement age, and no players were banned. Also, the fiancial muscle and competitiveness of football has greatly evolved between the 1980 Totonero and the 2006 Calcionero. (And if I remember correctly, there was something like 10 players sold between the two clubs in the 1980 Totonero... That could be called a "firesale")

Anyway, Juve are stuffed. They'll in the Serie C next year unless they can win ALL their games and stay in. They might, but by then all the best players that had would want to be Serie A not Serie B or C1.

Anyway, Juve are stuffed. They'll in the Serie C next year unless they can win ALL their games and stay in. They might, but by then all the best players that had would want to be Serie A not Serie B or C1.
Judging from last season, when the fourth bottom team (four teams get relegated) managed 46 points, I'm guessing the target for Juve will be to reach 50 points. That would mean they'd have won 80 points in total, which, last season, would have seen them finish second.

There's 22 teams in Serie B, so each team plays 42 games. Juve could actually get promoted if they get around 100 points (so end up on 70), which would mean dropping 26 points in the course of the season. It really does all depend on the players they can keep.

Judging from last season, when the fourth bottom team (four teams get relegated) managed 46 points, I'm guessing the target for Juve will be to reach 50 points. That would mean they'd have won 80 points in total, which, last season, would have seen them finish second.

There's 22 teams in Serie B, so each team plays 42 games. Juve could actually get promoted if they get around 100 points (so end up on 70), which would mean dropping 26 points in the course of the season. It really does all depend on the players they can keep.

I can't see players like Buffon staying as other teams will be trying to get these players. Now if Juve start bribing refs to help them get into Serie A, hehe :p

I can't see players like Buffon staying as other teams will be trying to get these players. Now if Juve start bribing refs to help them get into Serie A, hehe :p
which end them in serie C or lower, after it will blow up.