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http://www.localnewswatch.com/jordanfalls/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=202567
LONDON - A British police force on Thursday defended a magazine article advising women intent on getting drunk to make sure they are wearing nice underpants.

An article in the debut issue advises women "intent on getting ratted" to ensure they are "wearing nice pants" in case they pass out.

Hey, that's good advice there. Especially if the police show up and see you laying in the gutter and want to take a peek.

Mom always did give the best advice.

Damn right!

Wouldn't want to inspect any lasses with crusty knickers on, now, would you?

I always wear granny panties when I'm gonna get hammered.

I always wear granny panties when I'm gonna get hammered.
And always wear the whole granny get-up, but that's a different story... urmm... yes...

*dashes away*

You have an issue there regarding girls and alcohol, no?

That's why I usually drink at home, that way I can end naked and torn, but in my own sofa, not in the floor of some stinky bar.

I genuinely can't believe some of the outfits woman wear. Yesterday morning I was sitting opposite a woman on the Tube who was wearing a skirt so short I could easily see her underwear, with her tits virtually hanging out of her top.

I'm in favour of attractive clothing as much as the next man, but there does come a point where it's impossible to stop various unpleasant words such as 'slut' from coming to mind.

You have an issue there regarding girls and alcohol, no?

That's why I usually drink at home, that way I can end naked and torn, but in my own sofa, not in the floor of some stinky bar.

I personally have no issue with girls and alcohol, as long as they aren't vomiting in my house or car.

You have an issue there regarding girls and alcohol, no?

That's why I usually drink at home, that way I can end naked and torn, but in my own sofa, not in the floor of some stinky bar.

A woman after my own heart. :D :fluffle:

I genuinely can't believe some of the outfits woman wear. Yesterday morning I was sitting opposite a woman on the Tube who was wearing a skirt so short I could easily see her underwear, with her tits virtually hanging out of her top.

I'm in favour of attractive clothing as much as the next man, but there does come a point where it's impossible to stop various unpleasant words such as 'slut' from coming to mind.
Indeed. Go out at night in York and despite the quite-cold weather, there are women wearing pretty much nowt.

As you say, there's a fine line between "a bit of alright" and "tart", even though it's a total slur, it's pretty hard not to bring it up to your mind, if not say it.

I genuinely can't believe some of the outfits woman wear. Yesterday morning I was sitting opposite a woman on the Tube who was wearing a skirt so short I could easily see her underwear, with her tits virtually hanging out of her top.

I'm in favour of attractive clothing as much as the next man, but there does come a point where it's impossible to stop various unpleasant words such as 'slut' from coming to mind.

I don't see the problem in a woman either looking like or being a "slut" if that's what she genuinely wants.

I don't see the problem in a woman either looking like or being a "slut" if that's what she genuinely wants.
Well, if that's the way she 'wants' to look then that's up to her, but it doesn't stop the rest of us thinking she's a tart.

I don't see the problem in a woman either looking like or being a "slut" if that's what she genuinely wants.
There's no problem with it, it's more that such women don't like being insulted with words like "tart" and "slut" and yet they dress in a sexually provocative manner, which appeals to men's most basic instincts, whilist trying to ask for some semblance of respect.

Which, with most men, is not going to happen.

There's no problem with it, it's more that such women don't like being insulted with words like "tart" and "slut" and yet they dress in a sexually provocative manner, which appeals to men's most basic instincts, whilist trying to ask for some semblance of respect.

Which, with most men, is not going to happen.

I'm not in the habit of calling them names. But if they look nice, and are dressing with their bits hanging out for all to see, I figure they want someone to look at the show.

I'm not in the habit of calling them names. But if they look nice, and are dressing with their bits hanging out for all to see, I figure they want someone to look at the show.
I don't think that 'bits hanging out for all to see' and 'look nice' are necessarily related at all.

Excellent advice. We should always wear clean undies. In the case of women, pretty knickers are much better than beige butterfly catchers.

I don't think that 'bits hanging out for all to see' and 'look nice' are necessarily related at all.

Indeed. There's something to be said for leaving some things to the imagination.

I don't think that 'bits hanging out for all to see' and 'look nice' are necessarily related at all.

That's true. Anyone (male or female) can have bad fashion sense and an appearance that would make Death run away.

I'm not in the habit of calling them names. But if they look nice, and are dressing with their bits hanging out for all to see, I figure they want someone to look at the show.
Aye, that's my position as well.

I don't call people names (except for people I know I don't like, and underdressed women don't fall into that catagory) and I try to be curteous to most, but it's quite hard not to think of various insulting names to call people sometimes.

http://www.localnewswatch.com/jordanfalls/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=202567


Hey, that's good advice there. Especially if the police show up and see you laying in the gutter and want to take a peek.

Mom always did give the best advice.
Yes, and do remember to wax for your rapist, won't you ladies?

Gag. That article is nauseating on so many levels.

Pffft, too short clothes are comfortable, they are not up to be sexy.

I manage to look better, and sexier, in a jacket and a executive skirt than in hot pants and a top. However, regarding the hot climate around here, sometimes the hot pants and the top are more than proper.

However, as noted in several threads before, to judge a woman by the way she dresses is...RIDICULOUS.

There's no problem with it, it's more that such women don't like being insulted with words like "tart" and "slut" and yet they dress in a sexually provocative manner, which appeals to men's most basic instincts, whilist trying to ask for some semblance of respect.

Which, with most men, is not going to happen.
Yes, because men are incapable of behaving respectfully toward attractive women, and a little bared ankle will be enough to reduce any man to a slavering beast.

Guys, seriously, are you TRYING to convince all women to renounce heterosexuality?

I manage to look better, and sexier, in a jacket and a executive skirt...

*drool*

(And you asked for this, bonita, but "considering" would be better than "regarding." [insert winking smiley here])

To the brits: What the hell is a tart?

Yes, because men are incapable of behaving respectfully toward attractive women, and a little bared ankle will be enough to reduce any man to a slavering beast.

Guys, seriously, are you TRYING to convince all women to renounce heterosexuality?
We're not talking about a little bared ankle. We're talking about belts for skirts and little more on the tops on woman who then complain that men are leering at them.

If you dress like a tart, it's your own fault if you're treated like a tart.

Yes, because men are incapable of behaving respectfully toward attractive women, and a little bared ankle will be enough to reduce any man to a slavering beast.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v348/BPMdotEXE/Random/O_RLY.jpg

:rolleyes:

Yes, and do remember to wax for your rapist, won't you ladies?

Gag. That article is nauseating on so many levels.

Hey, it's the police, right? You know, the government ALWAYS knows what's right...

To the brits: What the hell is a tart?

Oy...lemme try...

A "ho," perhaps? That a word you get?

We're not talking about a little bared ankle. We're talking about belts for skirts and little more on the tops on woman who then complain that men are leering at them.

So you are not capable of controling what you look at? Or, once you look at a woman dressed in a particular way, you are NOT CAPABLE of controlling what you say or how you act around her?

Something tells me that if somebody put a gun to your head, you would magically find yourself quite able to control these impulses. The pure fact is that you choose not to, and then you blame others for your weakness. That's just sad.

If you dress like a tart, it's your own fault if you're treated like a tart.If you treat a woman like a tart, it's your own fault you treated her that way. Quit being such a coward and own up to your choices.

So you are not capable of controling what you look at? Or, once you look at a woman dressed in a particular way, you are NOT CAPABLE of controlling what you say or how you act around her?

Something tells me that if somebody put a gun to your head, you would magically find yourself quite able to control these impulses. The pure fact is that you choose not to, and then you blame others for your weakness. That's just sad.
If you treat a woman like a tart, it's your own fault you treated her that way. Quit being such a coward and own up to your choices.
Oh, of course, it is my fault I notice woman who dress in that way. Why, most civilised people don't even notice tits hanging out! No one cultured would be in the slightest bit concerned about anything sexual! :rolleyes:

Clothes say a lot about someone. If a woman wants to go about with her tits hanging out, it's a fair assumption that she's someone with little self respect for her own body. You are defending an absurdity to say that woman should dress like that and not expect people to notice.

Indeed. There's something to be said for leaving some things to the imagination.
So you must like it when women wear hoodys then? :D

To the brits: What the hell is a tart?

This:

http://www.frenchpatisserie.com/gateaux/photos/bgcitron.jpg

Or this:

http://www.lemonmeringue.com/images/im_desserts/round_raspberry_tart.jpg


Or even this: tart = slapper, skank, ho, slut, etc.


Edit: Someone beat me to it. :(

To the brits: What the hell is a tart?
Mmmm...cherry... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tart)

No woman "should be treated like a tart", not even those who are indeed tarts. Trying to treat someone like a whore is despective. I find silly to see those women that dress provocatively and then get angry because men look at them.

If you are dressed to kill, it's natural that males die for it. BE AWARE THAT LOOKING TO NOT ENTITLE SPEAKING OR TOUCHING, ok? I do not get angry by men looking at me, but proposing to me in a gross way or trying to touch is a different matter.

http://www.crankycritic.com/archive00/posters/tart.jpg

So you must like it when women wear hoodys then? :D

I've just always despised those giant hoodies. :p

http://www.crankycritic.com/archive00/posters/tart.jpg

Erhmmm. thats exactly the way I am dressed as I write this post, well, with the buttons in place, and the skirt in the right place.

I guess I am THE TART, then.

Wondrous...How do I write that finger smilie?

Erhmmm. thats exactly the way I am dressed as I write this post, well, with the buttons in place, and the skirt in the right place.

I guess I am THE TART, then.

Wondrous...How do I write that finger smilie?


I'm about to faint...

Clothes say a lot about someone. If a woman wants to go about with her tits hanging out, it's a fair assumption that she's someone with little self respect for her own body. You are defending an absurdity to say that woman should dress like that and not expect people to notice.

''self respect for her own body''...? It sounds like you are saying women should be ashamed of their bodies. What exactly is wrong with a woman having her tits hanging out, as you put it. We shouldn't have to cover them up at all. I think modesty is a stupid, old-fashioned idea. I don't get what you find so shocking about seeing a human body?
:confused:

''self respect for her own body''...? It sounds like you are saying women should be ashamed of their bodies. What exactly is wrong with a woman having her tits hanging out, as you put it. We shouldn't have to cover them up at all. I think modesty is a stupid, old-fashioned idea. I don't get what you find so shocking about seeing a human body?
:confused:

You would think that most men had never seen naked breasts before.

Erhmmm. thats exactly the way I am dressed as I write this post, well, with the buttons in place, and the skirt in the right place.

I guess I am THE TART, then.

Wondrous...How do I write that finger smilie?
That picture isn't really a tart at all, it's quite modest really. Think more along the lines of skirt barely covering underwear and/or underwear hanging out the back, and a top so low cut that it leaves nothing to the imagination.

I'm about to faint...

By looking at my finger? That's pretty most the weirdest thing ever. I just hope the taxi drivers and bikers around here would be as sensitive as you, it would make traffic easier.

By looking at my finger? That's pretty most the weirdest thing ever. I just hope the taxi drivers and bikers around here would be as sensitive as you, it would make traffic easier.

No, just imagining you in that outfit... *drool* :p

''self respect for her own body''...? It sounds like you are saying women should be ashamed of their bodies. What exactly is wrong with a woman having her tits hanging out, as you put it. We shouldn't have to cover them up at all. I think modesty is a stupid, old-fashioned idea. I don't get what you find so shocking about seeing a human body?
:confused:
Who said anything about 'shocking'? I find nothing 'shocking' about breasts at all. Any woman who is dressing in a sexually provocative way and then complains that men are looking at them does not deserve much respect, however.

So you are not capable of controling what you look at? Or, once you look at a woman dressed in a particular way, you are NOT CAPABLE of controlling what you say or how you act around her?

I don't think anyone's really saying that. It's more that anyone who dresses in such a way as to publicly announce, "I like sex," would be silly to be surprised by the occasional, "So do I, and I'm interested in joining you for some."

You would think that most men had never seen naked breasts before.

Most men have. They usually do not remember it

they usually stop seeing them when they reach 1 year old and then never get another good look at them. I think that's why they have that obssesion over them. O.o

That picture isn't really a tart at all, it's quite modest really. Think more along the lines of skirt barely covering underwear and/or underwear hanging out the back, and a top so low cut that it leaves nothing to the imagination.

like this?

http://oraculations.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/TOTAL%20SLUT-766995.jpg

like this?

-Image snip-
She's still wearing far too much. :p

No, just imagining you in that outfit... *drool* :p


Pffft, that poster is almost a picture of me. Same haircut, hair color, skin complexion, height, weight, breast size. She looks prettier, although

like this?


Noone go out dressed like that, noone. When I go to the gym I go dressed with a top and lycra shorts. That makes me a tramp?

I'll workout in a trenchcoat from now on, that's what you want?

Pffft, that poster is almost a picture of me. Same haircut, hair color, skin complexion, height, weight, breast size. She looks prettier, although

I disagree with that last statement. ;)

Noone go out dressed like that, noone. When I go to the gym I go dressed with a top and lycra shorts. That makes me a tramp?

I'll workout in a trenchcoat from now on, that's what you want?
:rolleyes:

If you fail to see the difference between everyday sports clothes and someone leaving absolutely nothing to the imagination, then it's not something that can be explained to you.

:rolleyes:

If you fail to see the difference between everyday sports clothes and someone leaving absolutely nothing to the imagination, then it's not something that can be explained to you.
I'm sorry but I fail to see the difference. Why do you not respect women who like to show of their bodies? You don't know anything about these women at all. For all you know they could have respectable jobs, they could be kind and caring people. I don't care if I see a woman who is entirely naked on the streets. I give my respect to people for other reasons besides from how they dress.

:rolleyes:

If you fail to see the difference between everyday sports clothes and someone leaving absolutely nothing to the imagination, then it's not something that can be explained to you.

I can see the difference. What's your exact problem with woman clothing, in any case?

It's not so much the clothing as the attitude.

Here's an example:
http://carpron.com/multisite/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=14309

I can see the difference. What's your exact problem with woman clothing, in any case?
It's nothing to do with clothing. It is to do with an absence of clothing.

If someone is dressed like a Policewoman, it's a fair bet they are a Policewoman.
If someone is dressed like a businesswoman, it's a fair bet they are a businesswoman.
If someone is dressed for the gym, it's a fair bet they are going to the gym.
If someone is dressed like a prostitute, it's a fair bet they deserve little respect.

Much of this is just a matter of context - most women would not be seen dead walkinga round the highstreet in their undies, but on the beach they'll walk around in a thong bikini which is practically the same thing...unless you were wearing the crusty granny knickers of course...

Look, of course there's nothing wrong with the human body, but to constantly have it on display to a point of near nudity and exposure of erogenous zones desensitises us to our own sexuality. Men are MEANT to get turned on by women, and a large sector of us would be extremely dissappointed if they stopped being so. That isn't saying they should act on their thoughts or vocalise them to the woman, but they're there, get over it.

A lot of lesbians aren't much better than the men in this respect...

personally, I vote for nice clean jointed stainless steel knickers. Chainmail is so last season...

If someone is dressed like a prostitute, it's a fair bet they deserve little respect.
why would a prostitute deserve little respect?

It's nothing to do with clothing. It is to do with an absence of clothing.

If someone is dressed like a Policewoman, it's a fair bet they are a Policewoman.
If someone is dressed like a businesswoman, it's a fair bet they are a businesswoman.
If someone is dressed for the gym, it's a fair bet they are going to the gym.
If someone is dressed like a prostitute, it's a fair bet they deserve little respect.
Yeah, because we all know policewomen and businesswoman don't dress up and go clubbing on the weekend. On their days off they just sit around in their uniforms and suits. :rolleyes:

why would a prostitute deserve little respect?

...she deserves fair pay?

why would a prostitute deserve little respect?
I didn't say prostitutes deserve little respect, young friend, I said people who model their fashion on prostitutes deserve little respect.

Yeah, because we all know policewomen and businesswoman don't dress up and go clubbing on the weekend. On their days off they just sit around in their uniforms and suits. :rolleyes:
If they want to dress up like a tart when they go out, that's up to them. If they complain about sexual attention, however, because of the way they dress, then they are fools.

I'd also refer you back to my original post, which was talking about someone dressed this way on a Thursday morning, not at a club.

I didn't say prostitutes deserve little respect, young friend, I said people who model their fashion on prostitutes deserve little respect.
Doesn't that suggest that the prostitute deserves little respect, though?

Doesn't that suggest that the prostitute deserves little respect, though?
I have no idea about the circumstances and reasons for her prostitution. I have a very good idea about the circumstances of someone who choices to dress that way.

Doesn't that suggest that the prostitute deserves little respect, though?
Some do, but Philosopy finds protitutes who wear full length dresses to be very respectible.

It's nothing to do with clothing. It is to do with an absence of clothing.

If someone is dressed like a Policewoman, it's a fair bet they are a Policewoman.
If someone is dressed like a businesswoman, it's a fair bet they are a businesswoman.
If someone is dressed for the gym, it's a fair bet they are going to the gym.
If someone is dressed like a prostitute, it's a fair bet they deserve little respect.

Why prostitutes deserve little respect, or less respect than a policewoman or a businesswoman?

Can you describe me a prostitute uniform? How the hell they "dress"?

Were the police planning to give discounts to say laSenza for the purchase of clean undies?????

I have no idea about the circumstances and reasons for her prostitution. I have a very good idea about the circumstances of someone who choices to dress that way.
Do you? Maybe they can't afford proper clothes, and you're assuming that they choose to dress that way.

Do you? Maybe they can't afford proper clothes, and you're assuming that they choose to dress that way.
That made me chuckle.

That made me chuckle.
Yay for you.

Let me put it this way.

If I see an attractive woman on the streets, I'm going to look at her, (unless of course I'm with a girlfriend, in which case I would hope that I could control myself, and just look at my girlfriend instead, but that's another subject.)

If I see an attractive woman dressed in a manner I find provocative, I may look a little longer and a little more appreciatively.

I don't see that as disrespectful. If I walk up to someone and blatantly state at their breasts, that's disrespectful. However, I don't see that simply enjoying the view constitutes disrespect.

That make sense?

My last post before bed.
You can guess how profound and thoughtful this will be ...

Wear nice panties when you go out, because ...
If you wake up with none on, you KNOW you got laid!

Boom boom.

Let me put it this way.

If I see an attractive woman on the streets, I'm going to look at her, (unless of course I'm with a girlfriend, in which case I would hope that I could control myself, and just look at my girlfriend instead, but that's another subject.)

If I see an attractive woman dressed in a manner I find provocative, I may look a little longer and a little more appreciatively.

I don't see that as disrespectful. If I walk up to someone and blatantly state at their breasts, that's disrespectful. However, I don't see that simply enjoying the view constitutes disrespect.

That make sense?

Entirely. I agree with each and every part of that.

Entirely. I agree with each and every part of that.

So you wouldn't think or say disrespectful thoughts if you saw these people standing on the street corner...

http://meatpuppets.com/puppets/wp-content/photos06/whore.jpg

So you wouldn't think or say disrespectful thoughts if you saw these people standing on the street corner...

http://meatpuppets.com/puppets/wp-content/photos06/whore.jpg

No, perhaps I would think they look a bit ridiculous, but I wouldn't say it.

So you wouldn't think or say disrespectful thoughts if you saw these people standing on the street corner...

http://meatpuppets.com/puppets/wp-content/photos06/whore.jpg

Oh I might think something disrespectful, (namely 'they're ugly') but I wouldn't say it.

Pffft, too short clothes are comfortable, they are not up to be sexy.

I manage to look better, and sexier, in a jacket and a executive skirt than in hot pants and a top. However, regarding the hot climate around here, sometimes the hot pants and the top are more than proper.

However, as noted in several threads before, to judge a woman by the way she dresses is...RIDICULOUS.

I'm gonna sound like a heel as usual, but here it goes. Let's not be naive. I think this "don't judge a book by its cover" nonsense is a load of PC crap that's been taken too far. We make initial judgments based on appearance, and we contiunue to do so because those judgments are usually correct! Intelligent people simply realize that the judgments COULD be wrong, and don't act too drastically based on stereotypes until they get to know the person better.

To expect everyone to not judge you based on your clothing is to expect everyone to have an unrealistic level of intelligence and restraint. To me, either stay within certain boundaries, or stop acting shocked when drunk idiots make catcalls.

I went to high school and college, just like many of you. I'm a teacher now. From all three experiences, I can tell you that 90% of the time, you can usually make some pretty accurate judgments about someone from their choice of clothing. If they always wear nothing but black, it says something about their mindset -- they want attention. They want people to think they're different, and think it gives them extra value as a person -- they could be nice people, or jerks, but I can at least judge that they have a misguided (at least to me) desire to be "different". Is he wearing throwback jerseys (at about $80 a pop) every day in spite of coming from a single parent home? I hate to say it, but reality has shown me that those kids have about 80% of the time turned up in jail, busted for dealing drugs. Doesn't mean I say it to them, or treat them as such if I hadn't heard they were kicked out of school for being arrested.

And girls who wear low-cut tops and short shorts/skirts are screaming, "SCREW ME." More often than not, if they have any self-confidence at all, it is based on their looks, and how guys react to their looks. You choose clothes for a reason. Spin it all you want, but if someone does something attention-grabbing outside the norm, there usually is a reason.

Do you? Maybe they can't afford proper clothes, and you're assuming that they choose to dress that way.

Form-fitting clothes are not cheap. T-shirts and jeans are cheap. That doesn't really make much sense.

http://www.localnewswatch.com/jordanfalls/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=202567


Hey, that's good advice there. Especially if the police show up and see you laying in the gutter and want to take a peek.

Mom always did give the best advice.


Do I have to wear any panties at all?

That's why I had this..."Yes, but no with you" sticker in my car. Damnit.

However, I used the same criteria as Dolfinsafia when I was a teacher, and indeed it worked. Although not all girls in tops and shorts are screaming that, some just like sports and exercise, actually.

That's why I had this..."Yes, but no with you" sticker in my car. Damnit.

However, I used the same criteria as Dolfinsafia when I was a teacher, and indeed it worked. Although not all girls in tops and shorts are screaming that, some just like sports and exercise, actually.

Well, some may, yes. Usually, girls that can pull that look off are at least somewhat physically active. BUt usually, they're not wearing their workout clothes all day; they choose very carefully what they wear to school/class/out. These girls/women don't usually dress for convenience.

Well, some may, yes. Usually, girls that can pull that look off are at least somewhat physically active.

Unfortunately, that's not true. And it makes my eyes bleed...

Unfortunately, that's not true. And it makes my eyes bleed...

Note, he said girls that can pull off that look, not girls that try.

Note, he said girls that can pull off that look, not girls that try.

Trouble is, too many try. :p

Trouble is, too many try. :p

Amen, brother. Preach it ;)

(Ummm, you are a guy, right?) ;)

Nobody read the whole article? It was a spoof designed to grab women's attention on the cover of a safety pamphlet.

As for the argument at hand... in my opinion everyone deserves a certain base amount of respect as a human being, whether teacher or prostitute or mass rapist.
However, humans in general will treat you accordingly.

The same goes for the way you dress. No woman deserves to be called a whore for simply dressing in a lewd or provocative manner. However, for a woman to wear shorts/skirt and top so small that I can see their underwear, breasts, and occasionally genitals to complain about being gawked at is absurd. If I walked around with my cock hanging out but with a sock over it all day, would it be sensible to complain about people staring?

Another point is that to complain about something like that is a sign of ignorance to human nature in general, and to demand that all people change a non-harmful practice because it offends you is horribly selfish and damn laughable. I used to have pink spiked hair. I was walking down the street with a friend and we passed a group of people obviously out for dinner and a drink. As they walked by, my friend sneered "What the ---- are they looking at?". I laughed and thought "What the ---- do you think?"

Nobody read the whole article? It was a spoof designed to grab women's attention on the cover of a safety pamphlet.

As for the argument at hand... in my opinion everyone deserves a certain base amount of respect as a human being, whether teacher or prostitute or mass rapist.
However, humans in general will treat you accordingly.

The same goes for the way you dress. No woman deserves to be called a whore for simply dressing in a lewd or provocative manner. However, for a woman to wear shorts/skirt and top so small that I can see their underwear, breasts, and occasionally genitals to complain about being gawked at is absurd. If I walked around with my cock hanging out but with a sock over it all day, would it be sensible to complain about people staring?

Another point is that to complain about something like that is a sign of ignorance to human nature in general, and to demand that all people change a non-harmful practice because it offends you is horribly selfish and damn laughable. I used to have pink spiked hair. I was walking down the street with a friend and we passed a group of people obviously out for dinner and a drink. As they walked by, my friend sneered "What the ---- are they looking at?". I laughed and thought "What the ---- do you think?"

Good post. Couldn't agree with you more, on all points. Do whatever you want, just realize you can't have everything just the way you might like. Be willing to deal with the negative implications of your choices.

Will the panties really be that clean after you get raped and had semen shot all over them?