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Iran warns of 'fierce response'.
07:44 14/07/2006
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday an Israeli strike on Syria would be considered an attack on the whole Islamic world that would bring a "fierce response", state television reported.

"If the Zionist regime commits another stupid move and attacks Syria, this will be considered like attacking the whole Islamic world and this regime will receive a very fierce response," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying in a telephone conversation with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The president made the comments after Israel struck Beirut airport and military airbases and blockaded Lebanese ports in reprisals that have killed 55 civilians in Lebanon since Hezbollah gunmen captured two Israeli soldiers a day earlier.
© Copyright 2006 Haaretz.

my2cents: If he keeps this up.. President Ahmadjihad is going to be reelected.
:cool:

I sooooo hope Iran gets into this.

Historically, Arab nations have a shitty record of supporting each other as allies. Especially since the Six Days War in 1967.

Iran getting involved might finally get the Palestinian issue settled (they win or they lose), since Lebanon and Jordan are where more Palestinians actually LIVE.

A nice lost cause like a ground war vs. Israel would do wonders to forment a new Revolution in Iran.

*grin* I'm sure the rest of the islamic world is ever so anxious to have Iran as an ally.
Don't forget that the Arabs were kinda helping Iraq to use genocidal weapons against the Shia Heretics in Iran...

I sooooo hope Iran gets into this.
...
A nice lost cause like a ground war vs. Israel would do wonders to forment a new Revolution in Iran.

schadenfreude ... look it up if you don't know.

schadenfreude ... look it up if you don't know.


Gotta problem with the Ayatollahs being removed from power?

I've got a problem with "urging."
I've got a problem with "let's you and him fight."
I've got a problem with killing thousands of Iranians, hundreds of Israelis, because it might lead to the overthrow of the Ayatollahs.

Those guys lost a lot of faithful followers against Iraq. Didn't lead to the overthrow of either side. And a more futile war than Iran-Iraq '80-'88 it would be hard to find.

If you're in it for a chuckle, BogMarsh, why not post something funny to my thread "Most silly terrorists ever." ? Could be huge!

We need a good war. As long as it doesn't escalate into a WW.

I've got a problem with "urging."
I've got a problem with "let's you and him fight."
I've got a problem with killing thousands of Iranians, hundreds of Israelis, because it might lead to the overthrow of the Ayatollahs.

Those guys lost a lot of faithful followers against Iraq. Didn't lead to the overthrow of either side. And a more futile war than Iran-Iraq '80-'88 it would be hard to find.

If you're in it for a chuckle, BogMarsh, why not post something funny to my thread "Most silly terrorists ever." ? Could be huge!


I've got a problem with the continued pandering to so-called non-Aligned countries and/or 3rd wayers.

I've got a problem with pacifism: Jeremiah48:10.

I've got a serious problem with ANYONE who is not clearly and unabashedly on the side of Israel.

I've got a problem with the continued pandering to so-called non-Aligned countries and/or 3rd wayers.

I've got a problem with pacifism: Jeremiah48:10.

I've got a serious problem with ANYONE who is not clearly and unabashedly on the side of Israel.

But how do you really feel about the subject?

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I've got a serious problem with ANYONE who is not clearly and unabashedly on the side of Israel.

That's that then.
I don't argue with closed minds. It's futile.

We need a good war. As long as it doesn't escalate into a WW.
That is probably the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time

But how do you really feel about the subject?

That I have less concerns about the ability of the Bashi to influence a war in Lebanon then I would have had about the lads of the unlamented General Gualtieri.

That I think that there are some very serious racial, I repeat, racial - issues between the Arabs and the Iranians.

That I think that there are several Arab countries whose policy is more concernced with eliminating the herectics than with fighting the Infidel.

That is probably the most idiotic thing I have heard in a long time

You haven't read many of GA's posts before, have you?

That's that then.
I don't argue with closed minds. It's futile.

You don't argue with closed minds, for it is futile.

In that case, you'll perceive the futility of searching for diplomatic resolutions for the problems in the ME.

We need a good war. As long as it doesn't escalate into a WW.
We do need to realign the worlds order don't we.;)

We do need to realign the worlds order don't we.;)

The belief in the possibility of a limited war is one of the most enduring self-delusions of mankind.

Let's see - the last time Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon attacked Israel. 6 on 1, and guess who won.

Let's see - the last time Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon attacked Israel. 6 on 1, and guess who won.

The Victory is mine when the battle is the Lord!

I sooooo hope Iran gets into this.

Historically, Arab nations have a shitty record of supporting each other as allies. Especially since the Six Days War in 1967.

Iran getting involved might finally get the Palestinian issue settled (they win or they lose), since Lebanon and Jordan are where more Palestinians actually LIVE.

A nice lost cause like a ground war vs. Israel would do wonders to forment a new Revolution in Iran.

Iranians aren't Arabs.

theyre persians

theyre persians

Yep, Iranians are Islamic Persians, no longer those fire-worshippers but they still like setting things on fire. They haven't really changed either.

Yep, Iranians are Islamic Persians, no longer those fire-worshippers but they still like setting things on fire. They haven't really changed either.

They also hate Arabs ( for reasons I can understandm even if I don't share 'em. ) - which is ever so convenient in this context.

I thought Iranians were Aryan.

They also hate Arabs ( for reasons I can understandm even if I don't share 'em. ) - which is ever so convenient in this context.

Israel = Ancient Jewish State
Iran = Persia
Iraq = Babylon
Syria = Ancient Assyrians
Lebanon = Phoenicians (Canaanites)

Nothing has changed for a while

I thought Iranians were Aryan.

I dislike using "Aryan", it's so ambigious and I don't what it really means.

Israel = Ancient Jewish State
Iran = Persia
Iraq = Babylon
Syria = Ancient Assyrians
Lebanon = Phoenicians (Canaanites)

Nothing has changed for a while

Jeremiah chapters 47-50 ...

I've got a serious problem with ANYONE who is not clearly and unabashedly on the side of Israel.
And that's my problem with you.

I sooooo hope Iran gets into this.

Historically, Arab nations have a shitty record of supporting each other as allies. Especially since the Six Days War in 1967.

Iran getting involved might finally get the Palestinian issue settled (they win or they lose), since Lebanon and Jordan are where more Palestinians actually LIVE.

A nice lost cause like a ground war vs. Israel would do wonders to forment a new Revolution in Iran.

How would Iran be able to have a ground war with Isreal. THey can;t go through Iraq without engageing our 125+ thousnad army there, and if they tried by boats, The Israeli navy would sink their troop ships. THe only way Iran could engage Isreal is with missles or aircraft.

How would Iran be able to have a ground war with Isreal. THey can;t go through Iraq without engageing our 125+ thousnad army there, and if they tried by boats, The Israeli navy would sink their troop ships. THe only way Iran could engage Isreal is with missles or aircraft.
These low intensity conflicts really seem to sap us nationally. Call it a death by 1000 cuts. Let it brew up into a clash of armies that we can smash and we have a better time of it. Physically returning the Arabs to the 12th Century where they are culturally might help things in the long run.

If not, its still pretty satisfying to fuck 'em up. Done right, the Palestinians, Syrians, and Iranians might incur casualties in the millions. That would certainly take a generation to recover.

That's that then.
I don't argue with closed minds. It's futile.

THat is a pretty close minded statement on your part.

These low intensity conflicts really seem to sap us nationally. Call it a death by 1000 cuts. Let it brew up into a clash of armies that we can smash and we have a better time of it. Physically returning the Arabs to the 12th Century where they are culturally might help things in the long run.

If not, its still pretty satisfying to fuck 'em up. Done right, the Palestinians, Syrians, and Iranians might incur casualties in the millions. That would certainly take a generation to recover.

I generally hope that a massive middle eastern war does not occur. I do not wish the deaths of thousands to millions of people, nor do I wish the worlds economies to be hurt with the natural rise in oil prices that we all depend on. Also I hope Iran is smart enough to relize that she is surrounded by US troops in Afganistan and Iraq, and that any move against isreal in a serious war would lead to their destruction, at the cost of thousands of AMerican lives. We all lose.

Iran warns of 'fierce response'.
07:44 14/07/2006
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday an Israeli strike on Syria would be considered an attack on the whole Islamic world that would bring a "fierce response", state television reported.

"If the Zionist regime commits another stupid move and attacks Syria, this will be considered like attacking the whole Islamic world and this regime will receive a very fierce response," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying in a telephone conversation with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The president made the comments after Israel struck Beirut airport and military airbases and blockaded Lebanese ports in reprisals that have killed 55 civilians in Lebanon since Hezbollah gunmen captured two Israeli soldiers a day earlier.
© Copyright 2006 Haaretz.

my2cents: If he keeps this up.. President Ahmadjihad is going to be reelected.
:cool:


Thats one dog that needs to be curbed.

I generally hope that a massive middle eastern war does not occur. I do not wish the deaths of thousands to millions of people, nor do I wish the worlds economies to be hurt with the natural rise in oil prices that we all depend on. Also I hope Iran is smart enough to relize that she is surrounded by US troops in Afganistan and Iraq, and that any move against isreal in a serious war would lead to their destruction, at the cost of thousands of AMerican lives. We all lose.

They may not give the Western world any choice.

It is escalating now, and if they escalate, the oil supply will be restricted to the point where other Western nations (and this includes the EU) will be forced to go down there and kick their asses (both Israeli and Arab).

They may not give the Western world any choice.

It is escalating now, and if they escalate, the oil supply will be restricted to the point where other Western nations (and this includes the EU) will be forced to go down there and kick their asses (both Israeli and Arab).

The Western World will have a choice, but based on the model of Europe and America's ideology in the last 100 years, you are probably right. Of course if we can get the ethanol and other alternative fuel sources technology nearly perfected, I have the sneeky suspicision that the Western World will somehow forget about the middle East. Nations do not have friends, or even allies, All a nation has is it's own interest. I just hope the Israel vs Middle East, give us the 10-15 years that we need.

And that's my problem with you.


I know.

Did I mention my habit of meeting folks of the same party-persuasion halfway?

I know.

Did I mention my habit of meeting folks of the same party-persuasion halfway?

??? Did I mention my hatred of monkeys, i mean seriously they throw Poo at you in the zoo... ;)

??? Did I mention my hatred of monkeys, i mean seriously they throw Poo at you in the zoo... ;)

Yooto and I share very similar beliefs about political principles of a more mundane nature.
Getting to grips with Global Warming.
Embedding the UK firmly within Europe.

Stuff like that. When my own Allies indicate that they need a break, I see what I can do to accomodate 'em. That usually means meeting 'em halfway.
When it's folks who ain't my allies, I merely start thinking which bone in their neck to break.

Stuff like that. When my own Allies indicate that they need a break, I see what I can do to accomodate 'em. That usually means meeting 'em halfway.
When it's folks who ain't my allies, I merely start thinking which bone in their neck to break.


Your compassion is overwhelming :)

Your compassion is overwhelming :)

Thank God you were sarcastic.
I rather dislike being considered compassionate.

Thank God you were sarcastic.
I rather dislike being considered compassionate.

:) thaks for reckonizing the scarcasm. Too often on the internet everyone takes everything you type so seriously. Very sad.

:) thaks for reckonizing the scarcasm. Too often on the internet everyone takes everything you type so seriously. Very sad.


Yep. :D Life's a bit of a bore when you can't express rhetorically.


Meanwhile, I'd almost forget: issues like Global Warming trump thingies as arab nogoodisms. If we dont get a grip of our environment, none of us will be around to complain about it.

Yep. :D Life's a bit of a bore when you can't express rhetorically.


Meanwhile, I'd almost forget: issues like Global Warming trump thingies as arab nogoodisms. If we dont get a grip of our environment, none of us will be around to complain about it.

That is not nesssarily true. Yes Massive human casualties will occur from the sea coasts of the world flooding. YEs most of the big economic cities will be joining atlantis. But there is not enough frozen water in the polart ice caps to sink Nebraska. Will a lot of people die, prolly. Will even more be homeless. Sure. SInce we are a technology based world, will we need to relearn to farm yep. Will it cause the extinction of the human race. Doubtful

That is not nesssarily true. Yes Massive human casualties will occur from the sea coasts of the world flooding. YEs most of the big economic cities will be joining atlantis. But there is not enough frozen water in the polart ice caps to sink Nebraska. Will a lot of people die, prolly. Will even more be homeless. Sure. SInce we are a technology based world, will we need to relearn to farm yep. Will it cause the extinction of the human race. Doubtful


Let me rephrase that: those of us who will be around to biatch about it will have other identities than 'british' or 'arab' to worry about.
Boggians vz Marshians come to mind.

Iran warns of 'fierce response'.
07:44 14/07/2006
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday an Israeli strike on Syria would be considered an attack on the whole Islamic world that would bring a "fierce response", state television reported.

"If the Zionist regime commits another stupid move and attacks Syria, this will be considered like attacking the whole Islamic world and this regime will receive a very fierce response," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying in a telephone conversation with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The president made the comments after Israel struck Beirut airport and military airbases and blockaded Lebanese ports in reprisals that have killed 55 civilians in Lebanon since Hezbollah gunmen captured two Israeli soldiers a day earlier.
© Copyright 2006 Haaretz.

my2cents: If he keeps this up.. President Ahmadjihad is going to be reelected.
:cool:Iran and Syria are behind the Hezbollah provocations. This is Iran's attempt to draw attention away from his nuclear weapons program, isolate Israel politically and perhaps start a regional war where he can make good on his threat to wipe Israel off the map.

Iran and Syria have decided to sacrifice Lebanon in order to hurt Israel. It's nice to see such Muslim solidarity.

schadenfreude ... look it up if you don't know.
Schadenfreude is German for "Hey look, that Jew fell down"

Sarah's one of the very few female comedians who is actually funny.

Iran and Syria are behind the Hezbollah provocations. This is Iran's attempt to draw attention away from his nuclear weapons program, isolate Israel politically and perhaps start a regional war where he can make good on his threat to wipe Israel off the map.

Iran and Syria have decided to sacrifice Lebanon in order to hurt Israel. It's nice to see such Muslim solidarity.

Besides internation al reputation, especially with the European Powers, how is Israel being hurt by it's actions in Lebannon. Unless you count the nasty letters the UN is sending Isreal. I do not see any real consequences. Instead i just see Lebannon being blown into the stoneage, again.

A war is exactly the thing Iran needs to collapse its economy once and for all. That might finally trigger the revolution needed to oust the corrupt theocrats and place Iran on the path to modernization.

Of course, oil prices will soar but that wouldn't help Iran very much. Aside from the fact that oil infrastructure is a given military target, Iran doesn't produce enough refined products to meet its demand; they've got plenty of crude but not enough refineries to produce useful products from it. Were we to cripple its refining infrastructure, Iran's military might collapse without actually affecting its oil producing infrastructure.

If they want to do it, go ahead...but they should be reminded that it will only bring ruin to them.

A war is exactly the thing Iran needs to collapse its economy once and for all. That might finally trigger the revolution needed to oust the corrupt theocrats and place Iran on the path to modernization.

Of course, oil prices will soar but that wouldn't help Iran very much. Aside from the fact that oil infrastructure is a given military target, Iran doesn't produce enough refined products to meet its demand; they've got plenty of crude but not enough refineries to produce useful products from it. Were we to cripple its refining infrastructure, Iran's military might collapse without actually affecting its oil producing infrastructure.

If they want to do it, go ahead...but they should be reminded that it will only bring ruin to them.


What I'm pointing out is that even if we don't get involved, oil prices will soar.

We can't tolerate them "soaring" for long, or with no end in sight to the conflict. Both the US and the EU would be forced to be involved in stopping it all and subjugating the oil producing areas.

A war is exactly the thing Iran needs to collapse its economy once and for all. That might finally trigger the revolution needed to oust the corrupt theocrats and place Iran on the path to modernization.

Of course, oil prices will soar but that wouldn't help Iran very much. Aside from the fact that oil infrastructure is a given military target, Iran doesn't produce enough refined products to meet its demand; they've got plenty of crude but not enough refineries to produce useful products from it. Were we to cripple its refining infrastructure, Iran's military might collapse without actually affecting its oil producing infrastructure.

If they want to do it, go ahead...but they should be reminded that it will only bring ruin to them.

That is probably the only reason Iran has not "officailly" done anything yet

What I'm pointing out is that even if we don't get involved, oil prices will soar.

We can't tolerate them "soaring" for long, or with no end in sight to the conflict. Both the US and the EU would be forced to be involved in stopping it all and subjugating the oil producing areas.

To do that, will strain the resources of the US and EU. Even with their combined might it is difficult to subdue a land mass that large, especially with a culture very alien to our own. (please note I am not criticising Arab culture I am just saying it is very different from our own cultures)

That is probably the only reason Iran has not "officailly" done anything yet


I recommend reading The Complete Idiot's Guide to Iran.
They ( 'em Iranians) never do anything for less than 5 reasons.

Besides internation al reputation, especially with the European Powers, how is Israel being hurt by it's actions in Lebannon. Unless you count the nasty letters the UN is sending Isreal. I do not see any real consequences. Instead i just see Lebannon being blown into the stoneage, again.
International reputation is somewhat important. A bad international reputation may encourage other nations to fund and support your enemies and to encourage them to attack you. Also this situation raises the level of hate for Israel among it's neighbors and sets the stage for a conflict that may give a nuclear armed Iran an excuse to attack Israel sometime in the future.

That is probably the only reason Iran has not "officailly" done anything yet

You will notice that two weeks ago, Iran officially began gasoline rationing in their own country - reducing their internal demand by over 50 percent - when there was no real reason to do so.

Unless they were planning to be in a war where they knew they might run short on gasoline.

What I'm pointing out is that even if we don't get involved, oil prices will soar.

A lot of that is due to rising demand from India, the US, and China; the geopolitical stuff does add a premium (around $15/barrel), but that still leaves oil at around $53/barrel.

We can't tolerate them "soaring" for long, or with no end in sight to the conflict. Both the US and the EU would be forced to be involved in stopping it all and subjugating the oil producing areas.

We can reduce our demand for oil a lot; it makes much more sense to try and reduce demand for oil and cause the price to fall through the market mechanism than to try and force production up through invasion.

The world does not need 84 million barrels per day; were we to strip away the amount used for transportation (not shipping, just cars) we would reduce consumption by 65% or 54.6 million barrels per day. That would take a long time to happen but it can and will. However, oil simply isn't expensive enough for that to happen yet and it will need to rise a good deal further before demand destruction sets in.

he can make good on his threat to wipe Israel off the map.
he never accually said that, he was mistranslated

he never accually said that, he was mistranslated
Sure he was.

I've got a problem with the continued pandering to so-called non-Aligned countries and/or 3rd wayers.

Translation: I like fascist outlooks. Anyone who doesn't agree with me should die.


I've got a serious problem with ANYONE who is not clearly and unabashedly on the side of Israel.

Translation: If you aren't a goose stepping, flag saluting, unquestioning supporter of my favorites, you're a traitor.

Conclusion: Bogmarsh might live in a democracy, but he sure don't like it. He'd rather have a dictatorship.

How would Iran be able to have a ground war with Isreal. THey can;t go through Iraq without engageing our 125+ thousnad army there, and if they tried by boats, The Israeli navy would sink their troop ships. THe only way Iran could engage Isreal is with missles or aircraft.


Great point...Thank G-d the USA took Sadaam Hussein out of power. I can only imagine how much worse this situation would be if HE was still in power causing trouble in the region.

Great point...Thank G-d the USA took Sadaam Hussein out of power. I can only imagine how much worse this situation would be if HE was still in power causing trouble in the region.
With his rusting military and non-theocratic dictatorship, and an opposition to Iran.

With his rusting military and non-theocratic dictatorship, and an opposition to Iran.


It doesn't matter if it wasn't theocratic. Syrias government isn't theocratic and they shelter and aid terrorists, not to mention their military isn't much to talk about either. . The last time there was a major Middle East war, prior to 9/11, in the First Gulf War, Hussein rained scud missiles down on Israel.

It doesn't matter if it wasn't theocratic. Syrias government isn't theocratic and they shelter and aid terrorists, not to mention their military isn't much to talk about either. . The last time there was a major Middle East war, prior to 9/11, in the First Gulf War, Hussein rained scud missiles down on Israel.
Yeah. It was a wise strategy. If he could have gotten Israel to react then he could enlist the aid of his Arab neighbors to help him out. Saddam wasn't an idealist. He didn't give two shits about Israel and Palestine. He cared only about his own survival and prosperity. Just the kind of leader we need in Arab nations. Those types of leaders are easy to manipulate to our advantage.

Well I hope there is a war between Iran and Isreal. 'Cause Lost is over and TV is bloody boring at the moment. We need a good war to get more people watching TV boosts TV sales revenues (and it boosts advertising revenues too). :)
Haven't you heard? War is good for the economy, in other ways too - the military industry complex of both countries concerned will get a kick out of it.

I remember the Iraq war - couldn't keep myself away from the TV set. Nothing like a good international crisis to compensate for the mind numbing mundanity everyday life, well at least for me anyway.

It doesn't matter if it wasn't theocratic. Syrias government isn't theocratic and they shelter and aid terrorists, not to mention their military isn't much to talk about either.

Or the fact that he absolutely loathed the Iranians and vice versa?

You know, the whole 8 years war in which a million(ish) died.... that lil thing.

Um preeeeety sure millions didn't die. Thousands maybe, but not millions. Not even hundreds of thousands. Don't trust me though, google it.

Um preeeeety sure millions didn't die. Thousands maybe, but not millions. Not even hundreds of thousands. Don't trust me though, google it.
A million.

Iran warns of 'fierce response'.
07:44 14/07/2006
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday an Israeli strike on Syria would be considered an attack on the whole Islamic world that would bring a "fierce response", state television reported.

"If the Zionist regime commits another stupid move and attacks Syria, this will be considered like attacking the whole Islamic world and this regime will receive a very fierce response," Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying in a telephone conversation with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The president made the comments after Israel struck Beirut airport and military airbases and blockaded Lebanese ports in reprisals that have killed 55 civilians in Lebanon since Hezbollah gunmen captured two Israeli soldiers a day earlier.
© Copyright 2006 Haaretz.

my2cents: If he keeps this up.. President Ahmadjihad is going to be reelected.
:cool:

I hope Iran gets involved because then in the words of the great General Curtis LeMay, 'we are going to bomb them back into the stone age'.

My bad, Psycotic Mongooses

I hope Iran gets involved because then in the words of the great General Curtis LeMay, 'we are going to bomb them back into the stone age'.

Well is that really such a good thing? Hundreds of thousands of civillians would die, and an up and coming economy would be destroyed/disrupted too. Not to mention the whole oil thing (yknow, the Iranians are big suppliers of oil to China amoung other countries). I don't think America/Isreal could pull that off without some sort of detriment to themselves.

I hope Iran gets involved because then in the words of the great General Curtis LeMay, 'we are going to bomb them back into the stone age'.
There's an oxymoron if ever I've heard one.

There's an oxymoron if ever I've heard one.

I dunno. Curtis LeMay worked (in his time). Not sure if he would be applicable now.

I dunno. Curtis LeMay worked (in his time). Not sure if he would be applicable now.
This is the same fellow who advocated using nuclear weapons against Cuba and the Soviet Union, during some of the tensest periods of the Cold War.

Great is not a word I'd use to describe LeMay.

This is the same fellow who advocated using nuclear weapons against Cuba and the Soviet Union, during some of the tensest periods of the Cold War.

Great is not a word I'd use to describe LeMay.

If you're playing chicken, you have to appear crazy, and convince the other guy that you're completely nuts.

I would think that LeMay fit the bill perfectly.

If you're playing chicken, you have to appear crazy, and convince the other guy that you're completely nuts.

I would think that LeMay fit the bill perfectly.

Yeah, thats the attitude that you want in the midst of a potential nuclear war alright.

"LETS NUKE EM!"
"No Curtis. Put the toys back in their box please"
"Aww... :("

Yeah, thats the attitude that you want in the midst of a potential nuclear war alright.

"LETS NUKE EM!"
"No Curtis. Put the toys back in their box please"
"Aww... :("

As long as Positive Control works, you're fine.

My bad, Psycotic Mongooses
Well is that really such a good thing? Hundreds of thousands of civillians would die, and an up and coming economy would be destroyed/disrupted too. Not to mention the whole oil thing (yknow, the Iranians are big suppliers of oil to China amoung other countries). I don't think America/Isreal could pull that off without some sort of detriment to themselves.

Iran is a dangerous theocracy; we should be invading.

There's an oxymoron if ever I've heard one.

Curtis LeMay was one of the greatest Generals of the 20th Century and anybody who doubts that needs to read some real (not written by a wacko liberal who is trying to indoctrinate you) history.

Curtis LeMay was one of the greatest Generals of the 20th Century and anybody who doubts that needs to read some real (not written by a wacko liberal who is trying to indoctrinate you) history.
*stifles laughter*

Ok. Sure.

IS the NSA Library just a wacko liberal place then? :rolleyes:

he never accually said that, he was mistranslated
Yeah, and Bush is a Marxist.

Curtis LeMay was one of the greatest Generals of the 20th Century and anybody who doubts that needs to read some real (not written by a wacko liberal who is trying to indoctrinate you) history.
That's it young one, time out! Go sit in the corner.

Originally Posted by Markreich
I sooooo hope Iran gets into this.
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A nice lost cause like a ground war vs. Israel would do wonders to forment a new Revolution in Iran

schadenfreude ... look it up if you don't know.

Ahem. After those Iranian fuckwads (look it up if you don't know), one of which is now RUNNING Iran (President Ahmadinejad) took our EMBASSY staff hostage, I have zero good things to say about them.

My friends and I had a "The Ayatollah Khomeni is dead" party back in 1989.

So yes, I'd love some schadenfreude. In fact, I'd like the 50lb economy sack of it, please. :mp5:

How would Iran be able to have a ground war with Isreal. THey can;t go through Iraq without engageing our 125+ thousnad army there, and if they tried by boats, The Israeli navy would sink their troop ships. THe only way Iran could engage Isreal is with missles or aircraft.

They could quite easily go north of Iraq into eastern Turkey, slaughter all the Kurds they could find on the way, and walk right down through Syria.

And to go through northern Iraq at the same time would be no big deal: more Kurds to kill, and the Coalition forces are too busy to stop them anyway.

I would like Iran to get involved to, just because then america would get involved and Glass Iran and free there people.

*drops to knees to pray to unknown religious figure*
plz let iran start something w/isreal so that he can be shown his absolute stupidity by the american/isreali armies

Ahem. After those Iranian fuckwads (look it up if you don't know), one of which is now RUNNING Iran (President Ahmadinejad) took our EMBASSY staff hostage, I have zero good things to say about them.

My friends and I had a "The Ayatollah Khomeni is dead" party back in 1989.

So yes, I'd love some schadenfreude. In fact, I'd like the 50lb economy sack of it, please. :mp5:

And which dumbass country can be blamed for the revolution and subsequent hostility? Hmmm?

Clue: begins with 'U' and ends with 'nited States of America'.

And which dumbass country can be blamed for the revolution and subsequent hostility? Hmmm?

Clue: begins with 'U' and ends with 'nited States of America'.
no, the former ruler that wasted all of Iran's money on himself did that

And which dumbass country can be blamed for the revolution and subsequent hostility? Hmmm?

Clue: begins with 'U' and ends with 'nited States of America'.

I'd have to say Iran. The Shah was NOT a beloved ruler.

But to ransack an Embassy? Please. You giving that any defense at all is absurd: you would flout International Law.

We need a good war. As long as it doesn't escalate into a WW.
Why not? We need change.

You will notice that two weeks ago, Iran officially began gasoline rationing in their own country - reducing their internal demand by over 50 percent - when there was no real reason to do so.

I think Iran did that mainly because they offer subsidized gasoline to their people that has to be imported to meet demand; their budget allocates a certain amount of money for that purpose based upon a given price for the product, but the main problem is that Iran's budget doesn't have enough money to cover the higher cost of the imports and so has run dry.

Unless they were planning to be in a war where they knew they might run short on gasoline.

Possibly, but a surefire sign would be stockpiling of jet fuel, gasoline and diesel combined with rationing.

They're still vulnerable even with these measures because the oil infrastructure is so vulnerable to attack and their oil exports supply almost all of their economic growth and hard currency reserves; were Iran's exports to be cut off, they would still suffer because their government would not have the revenues necessary to fight and their economy would collapse in to hyperinflation as the government would need to print money in order to pay for the war.

I've got a problem with the continued pandering to so-called non-Aligned countries and/or 3rd wayers.

I've got a problem with pacifism: Jeremiah48:10.

I've got a serious problem with ANYONE who is not clearly and unabashedly on the side of Israel.
I didn't think you had a forceful side. Good for you.

If you're playing chicken, you have to appear crazy, and convince the other guy that you're completely nuts.maybe Bush plays chicken 24 hors a day.

Yeah, and Bush is a Marxist.you are ready for the happy place :D

...america would get involved and Glass Iran and free there people.new US antem lyrics: "deah will set you free.."