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I just saw this on Wikipedia current events. There are reports (http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/07/13/report-israel-says-haifa-attack-was-staged-by-iran/)that the rocket fired at Haifa was not a rocket, but a missile...an Iranian missile. I have the worst feeling that the 6th Arab-Isreali war is right over the horizon. Hell, perhaps they'll wipe eachother out, then we wouldn't have to deal with this crap anymore.

Please forgive me for the source, its the only one Wikipedia gives.

Hrm.. none of my traditional news sources confirm this.. I sure hope it's only a rumor..

Hrm.. none of my traditional news sources confirm this.. I sure hope it's only a rumor..

There was a FoxNews report on the website, so one would expect there to be one on their website.

But, alas, this is FoxNews.

There was a FoxNews report on the website, so one would expect there to be one on their website.

But, alas, this is FoxNews.


So? Iran threatened Israel if they attacked Syria I believe.



Fox News Is just as good a source as CNN....But I don't watch either that much.

I guess 4AM is when everything starts kicking up in the Middle East. It was about this time last night that Israel attacked the airport for the second time and it just broke on CNN's page that they are attacking the airport for a third time.

However, there is no mention of Iran on any websites that I can see... I've checked MSNBC, CNN, BBC News, and Al-jazeera. I don't think people wake up and report the news until 5AM because all the news stations have repeats from earlier on. I wish we could get CNN International here in the states because I bet they're up and reporting the latest.

Fox News Is just as good a source as CNN....But I don't watch either that much.

tell me you are joking? :p

Israel has an anti-missile system in place called "Arrow". Part of the Arrow system are some extremely powerful radars, designed to track incoming missiles and target them with the Arrow ABMs.

So you see, if a missile would have been launched from Iran, not only would it have had to cross Iraq (meaning it would probably have been noticed by the Americans), but it would certainly have been spotted by the Arrow-radars. And even if the ABM failed, and the missile got through, Israel would know where the thing came from and immediately respond accordingly.

So, no, that thing did not come from Iran.

I just saw this on Wikipedia current events. There are reports (http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/07/13/report-israel-says-haifa-attack-was-staged-by-iran/)that the rocket fired at Haifa was not a rocket, but a missile...an Iranian missile. I have the worst feeling that the 6th Arab-Isreali war is right over the horizon. Hell, perhaps they'll wipe eachother out, then we wouldn't have to deal with this crap anymore.

Please forgive me for the source, its the only one Wikipedia gives.
I heard it was from a space shuttle sent by the North Koreans to distract everyone from the arrival of the Space Pope.

Then again, I'm waiting on confirmation too.

tell me you are joking? :p
Tell me why the ignorant, in this case, you, get the benefit of the doubt on their ability to spot fake news? Fox is just as good as any other source for news. Probably better than CBS and the NYT because they don't make it up. You have obviously confused either entertainment, or commentary for news on the Fox channel.

On a different subject, the first call to prayer from the mosques is around daylight, isn't it? Maybe that's why all the activity starts at 4 AM. But I don't see any references to anything but Katyusha rockets.

I find it interesting that Saudi Arabia is against Hezballah in this situation; were the conflict to boil over in to full blow war with Iran, I would not be surprised if Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest of the Gulf states either remained neutral or outright worked to undermine the Iranian government in its fight against Israel.

The Gulf states and the secular Egyptian government are more terrified of a nuclear Iran than a victorious Israel, so they might end up backing the lesser of two evils and directly side with or remain sympathetic to Israel and the US in such a war.

I heard it was from a space shuttle sent by the North Koreans to distract everyone from the arrival of the Space Pope.

I knew we couldn't trust Crocodylus Pontifex...

Theee Space Pope!

I heard it was from a space shuttle sent by the North Koreans to distract everyone from the arrival of the Space Pope.

Then again, I'm waiting on confirmation too.
That Kim Jong-Il is a genius!

http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/FrameGrabs/3ACV15/Grabs/pic00354.jpg

Oh no it wasn't launched from Iran...
But it might have been MADE in Iran
http://www.iht.com/articles/2002/02/04/peres_ed3_.php (Since 2002)
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50427

But Israel thinks they're sending those soldiers to Iran??
http://www.wnbc.com/news/9504044/detail.html

Theee Space Pope!

Space Pope!

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tau/catalog/images/aunva.gif

I heard it was from a space shuttle sent by the North Koreans to distract everyone from the arrival of the Space Pope.

Then again, I'm waiting on confirmation too.

Everyone calm down. It was just me. I've had a little too much latte today (I'm lactose intolerant), and a massive ultrafart blew me into a suborbital trajectory that took me to downtown Haifa.

I saw a fox news report on this last night, so... fox news reported on it... there's a slight possibility it isn't crap.

false rumor. the missle is really iranian, but they didn't shot it. they give it for hizbulla to shot it for them.
the iranian support of hammas and hizbulla never was big secret. apperanetely now they share with them their weaponary.

Iran will support any Shia against Israel. Iran better can count on Israel turning it's current nuke plants into dust if Israel want to.

Space Pope!

http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/tau/catalog/images/aunva.gif


Is...that an Eldar?


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Fox is just as good as any other source for news.


Aaaand there it is.

There are reports that the rocket fired at Haifa was not a rocket, but a missile...an Iranian missile. I have the worst feeling that the 6th Arab-Isreali war is right over the horizon.

You do know that Iran isn't an Arab country, right? There's only a small Arab minority in Iran; something like 3% of the population.

Details bore me.

Groups of middle-east wackos are attacking eachother. Which group of wackos launched which attacks is really a triviality at this point. Let's just watch the explosions.

Mmkay ...

Iran has been selling weapons to Lebanon for years. It very well could have been an Iranian missle, but that doesn't mean it originated in Iran.

I know that Americans have a very itchy trigger finger when it comes to Iran, but please stop looking for any tiny excuse to nuke Iran. It's not doing you, or the world, any good.

Groups of middle-east wackos are attacking eachother. Which group of wackos launched which attacks is really a triviality at this point. Let's just watch the explosions.

I'm just waiting in nervous anticipation for the green city on CNN.

I heard it was from a space shuttle sent by the North Koreans to distract everyone from the arrival of the Space Pope.

Then again, I'm waiting on confirmation too.
I heard it was a story pulled straight out of The South Islands Arse!

I'm just waiting in nervous anticipation for the green city on CNN.

BOOM! :D

Is...that an Eldar?


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Aaaand there it is.
Maybe Dark Elder...
:eek:

I just saw this on Wikipedia current events. There are reports (http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/07/13/report-israel-says-haifa-attack-was-staged-by-iran/)that the rocket fired at Haifa was not a rocket, but a missile...an Iranian missile. I have the worst feeling that the 6th Arab-Isreali war is right over the horizon. Hell, perhaps they'll wipe eachother out, then we wouldn't have to deal with this crap anymore.

Please forgive me for the source, its the only one Wikipedia gives.

Not the only source. Its been reported on CNN, MSNBC (I think) and Fox News.

If true, then this will most definitely spark a war. I wouldn't say Arab war for Iran is not part of the Arab World.

Details bore me.


A true mark of an inferior intellect.

Those home-made missiles built by whoever won't have the range (or accuracy). You'd need proper missiles like ones from Iran.

A true mark of an inferior intellect.

I spent all my attribute points on indestructible testicles. :)

I spent all my attribute points on indestructible testicles. :)

Just wait till I cast my transmute to wood spell on it. Then we'll set it on fire to see if that will be the end of it.

I heard Iran said they would only attack Israel if they attacked Syria. I personally think that Israel is worried by the prospect of a Nuclear Iran and may be looking for justification to attack the enrichment facilities. If Israel bombed it for no reason, they would be the villains, but if they can spark a war then they can claim it was a legitimate target in a state of war.

Not the only source. Its been reported on CNN, MSNBC (I think) and Fox News.

If true, then this will most definitely spark a war. I wouldn't say Arab war for Iran is not part of the Arab World.
I don't think the fact that the missile was made in Iran will spark a war. If things worked like that then the US would be at war with itself since half the guns firing at us from Iraq and Afghanistan were supplied by the US 20 years ago. :rolleyes:

I don't think the fact that the missile was made in Iran will spark a war. If things worked like that then the US would be at war with itself since half the guns firing at us from Iraq and Afghanistan were supplied by the US 20 years ago. :rolleyes:

I guess you missed the part about the rumored 100 Iranian troops being there assisting in the missle launch on the Israeli warship? If that is true then yes, it could spark a war.

Please try to read all the thread before commenting. Not to mention the thread title. :rolleyes:

I guess you missed the part about the rumored 100 Iranian troops being there assisting in the missle launch on the Israeli warship? If that is true then yes, it could spark a war.

Please try to read all the thread before commenting. Not to mention the thread title. :rolleyes:I'd be interested as to what that war would look like. While I don't doubt the IDF's military prowess, I have my doubts as to whether they could project military force other than air power all the way to Iran.

Just wait till I cast my transmute to wood spell on it. Then we'll set it on fire to see if that will be the end of it.

:eek:

:(

Israel has an anti-missile system in place called "Arrow". Part of the Arrow system are some extremely powerful radars, designed to track incoming missiles and target them with the Arrow ABMs.

So you see, if a missile would have been launched from Iran, not only would it have had to cross Iraq (meaning it would probably have been noticed by the Americans), but it would certainly have been spotted by the Arrow-radars. And even if the ABM failed, and the missile got through, Israel would know where the thing came from and immediately respond accordingly.

So, no, that thing did not come from Iran.

U miss understand from what i have heard is was an Iranean missle, not fired from Iran.

I'm just waiting in nervous anticipation for the green city on CNN.

Green city :confused: Something went over my head.

I'd be interested as to what that war would look like. While I don't doubt the IDF's military prowess, I have my doubts as to whether they could project military force other than air power all the way to Iran.

I agree that I don't think they can do much except an air battle.

Green city :confused: Something went over my head.IR footage of a city (Baghdad in past history) being hit by airstrikes:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/innovation/images/ep4_essay2_right_17.jpg

I'd be interested as to what that war would look like. While I don't doubt the IDF's military prowess, I have my doubts as to whether they could project military force other than air power all the way to Iran.

Air power might be all they need if they want to send a message. Lybia got the message America sent by air in the 1980's.

IR footage of a city (Baghdad in past history) being hit by airstrikes:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/innovation/images/ep4_essay2_right_17.jpg

Ahh! Thank you. I was thinking the "green glow" from radiation after a nuclear hit.

Air power might be all they need if they want to send a message. Lybia got the message America sent by air in the 1980's.Indeed, however America has the power to threaten more than just air attacks. Israel would be stretched severely thin if they managed to get troops to Iran. That would make the message a bit more hollow, and I doubt the Iranian leadership would be all that receptive anyway.

Is...that an Eldar?


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Aaaand there it is.

It's a Tau. New race (well, released on 02 IIRC)

tell me you are joking? :p
it's true, outside of the opinionated stuff, the news reporting is the same as CNN, MSNBC and other outlets.

I spent all my attribute points on indestructible testicles. :)
ahh... that explains it.

remind me to show you Hentai Kamen!

tell me you are joking? :p
Suiko doesn't joke.

I find it interesting that Saudi Arabia is against Hezballah in this situation; were the conflict to boil over in to full blow war with Iran, I would not be surprised if Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the rest of the Gulf states either remained neutral or outright worked to undermine the Iranian government in its fight against Israel.

The Gulf states and the secular Egyptian government are more terrified of a nuclear Iran than a victorious Israel, so they might end up backing the lesser of two evils and directly side with or remain sympathetic to Israel and the US in such a war.
That makes sense. Egypt hasn't had much of a problem with Israel since the Sadat-Begin days. Why not support a nation you've had a constructive peace with for three decades? On top of that, haven't there been terrorist attacks at Sinai resorts in the last two years? That's not in Egypt's best interest either politically or economically.

Tell me why the ignorant, in this case, you, get the benefit of the doubt on their ability to spot fake news? Fox is just as good as any other source for news. Probably better than CBS and the NYT because they don't make it up. You have obviously confused either entertainment, or commentary for news on the Fox channel.

YOU SAY SO, therefore it MUST be TRUE!

:rolleyes:

I guess you missed the part about the rumored 100 Iranian troops being there assisting in the missle launch on the Israeli warship? If that is true then yes, it could spark a war.

Please try to read all the thread before commenting. Not to mention the thread title. :rolleyes:
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That makes sense. Egypt hasn't had much of a problem with Israel since the Sadat-Begin days. Why not support a nation you've had a constructive peace with for three decades? On top of that, haven't there been terrorist attacks at Sinai resorts in the last two years? That's not in Egypt's best interest either politically or economically.

Not to mention 12 of their sailors who were aboard a ship that Hezbollah sunk with a missile.

Breaking News: Israel:: 12 Egyptian Sailors Were Aboard Ship Sunk by Hezbollah (curtesy of Fox News)

it's true, outside of the opinionated stuff, the news reporting is the same as CNN, MSNBC and other outlets.Indeed. Most American news channels are sorry excuses for infotainment when compared to other Western media.

That makes sense. Egypt hasn't had much of a problem with Israel since the Sadat-Begin days. Why not support a nation you've had a constructive peace with for three decades? On top of that, haven't there been terrorist attacks at Sinai resorts in the last two years? That's not in Egypt's best interest either politically or economically.

That's correct; Israel and Egypt have worked to build economic ties between the two nations and to increase their level of diplomatic cooperation on regional issues. Both states are secular and see nations like Iran as a threat to regional and world stability; Egypt in particular is concerned because any Iranian war with Israel will wreak havoc on their cross-border trade/tourism and as a result their entire economy. The terror attacks in 2005 and earlier also place Egypt in opposition to Iran/Hezballah.

Given that Egypt and Saudi Arabia (the most powerful states in the Middle East), along with the Gulf states, Jordan, and Iraq all condemn Hezballah for starting the crisis it's not likely that they will be able to keep up their fight against Israel. The fear these same states feel about a nuclear Iran also guarantee that they would be likely to either side with Israel directly or support them indirectly through economic means; they may not like Israel, but organizations like Hezballah and pariahs like Iran pose a huge threat to their economic and political influence and so have to be contained for the sake of preserving the interests of the Middle Eastern states.

Israel simply hasn't been a threat to the Gulf states, Egypt, or Saudi Arabia for decades; they have a lot more to gain from cooperation with Israel than they do siding with Iran or Hezballah.

Indeed. Most American news channels are sorry excuses for infotainment when compared to other Western media.
sorry, it's the same all over, in every country.

sorry, it's the same all over, in every country.I disagree. So do most American friends of mine that have seen the difference between CNN and CNN international. American national news programs are pretty bad compared to European equivalents I have seen.

I disagree. So do most American friends of mine that have seen the difference between CNN and CNN international. American national news programs are pretty bad compared to European equivalents I have seen.
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American National News are bad at Infotainment than European equivalents?

every nation engages in Infotainment of some sort, when a story is presented, in what order, and how.

Egypt, or Saudi Arabia for decades; they have a lot more to gain.Actually ..if you think (really hard) about it.. The dictatoships/fraud-dem of Saudi-Arabia and Egypt have a lot to lose.. with the ongoing Israel-Hezbollah War.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491971

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American National News are bad at Infotainment than European equivalents?

every nation engages in Infotainment of some sort, when a story is presented, in what order, and how.That's not what I mean, to my knowledge, there's no alternative to the infotainment. Horrible news is present in all countries. I'm glad I live in one that provides quality news programs as well.

Israel has an anti-missile system in place called "Arrow". Part of the Arrow system are some extremely powerful radars, designed to track incoming missiles and target them with the Arrow ABMs.

So you see, if a missile would have been launched from Iran, not only would it have had to cross Iraq (meaning it would probably have been noticed by the Americans), but it would certainly have been spotted by the Arrow-radars. And even if the ABM failed, and the missile got through, Israel would know where the thing came from and immediately respond accordingly.

So, no, that thing did not come from Iran.
Actually, what happened is that there are parts of the IRG(Iranian revolutionary guard) in lebanon who launched a couple of short range missles at israeli boats. One hit an israeli ship:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060715/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_attacked_ship

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2195553

Apparently the second hit an egyptian vessel:

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-07-15T000355Z_01_L14834994_RTRUKOC_0_UK-MIDEAST-SHIP-MISSILE.xml

Ballistic missles were not involved.

Actually, what happened is that there are parts of the IRG(Iranian revolutionary guard) in lebanon who launched a couple of short range missles at israeli boats.
Hmmm, that puts a new twist on things. I wonder whether it's true, because that is a pretty direct act of war by Iran against Israel, I'd wager.

But if Israel hasn't responded, maybe they're either not sure, or they don't wanna take on Iran and really blow this out of all proportions.

Hmmm, that puts a new twist on things. I wonder whether it's true, because that is a pretty direct act of war by Iran against Israel, I'd wager.

But if Israel hasn't responded, maybe they're either not sure, or they don't wanna take on Iran and really blow this out of all proportions.

As far as I know, its only a unconfirmed rumor. Probably why no action has been taken yet.