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Comment: what else is new Don quixote?

U.S. stands alone in defending Israel
WASHINGTON - In Germany on Thursday, President Bush strongly supported Israel's right to defend itself, blaming Syria for harboring terror groups active in both Lebanon and Gaza.

"Syria needs to be held to account,” Bush says. “Syria is housing the militant wing of Hamas. Hezbollah has got an active presence in Syria."

But all day, the U.S. was alone in defending Israel. At the U.N., the U.S. exercised the sole veto against a resolution condemning Israel's Gaza incursion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13848003/

Ugh.

I'm not sure where this is heading, but I do know this..I do not like it..this is some thin ice that W is skating on..

Same old crap, the US is simply a puppet to Israel

This thread is false and wrong.

Ocean, you need to shut up and get your facts straight.
It would seem, so far...that Germany, Denmark, America, Australia, Canada and Saudi Arabia are siding with Israel...and possibly Japan and Greece.
I LOVE Angela Merkel...,"The attacks did not start from the Israeli side, but from Hezbollah's side."

Lets take a look, shall we?
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International reaction
Arab League: The Arab League says they have “fears of widening of tension and possible Israeli strike against Syria,“ “It’s up to the resistance — both the Lebanese and the Palestinian — to decide what they are doing and why are they fighting.”[46]
Australia: Prime Minister John Howard has stated that he is "appalled at the loss of life on both sides". However, he blamed the conflict on Hezbollah's breaches of UN resolutions and international law. [47]
Belgium: Minister of foreign affairs Karel de Gucht said that Israel has the right to defend itself, but has now responded with excessive violence. There has also already been a demonstration in Brussels against Israel's military actions.[48] The VRT television news called the Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel acts of defense.[49]
Bosnia and Herzegovina: President Sulejman Tihic displayed outrage at a press conference on Thursday evening, condemning the Israeli attacks as "disproportionate", "unjustified", and "outright disgusting", with "the use of explicit force on civilians" and "buildings essential to economic stability" within Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.
Canada: Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said “Israel has the right to defend itself,” as well as “I think Israel's response under the circumstances has been measured.” Regarding resolution to the conflict he has stated “It's essential that Hezbollah and Hamas release their Israeli prisoners and any countries in that area that have influence on these organizations should encourage an end to violence and recognize and encourage the recognition of Israel's right to exist.” [50]
Denmark: The Danish foreign minister Per Stig Møller said that the Lebanese government has to take responsibility to prevent further terror attacks from Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Israel has also the right to act in self defence, but are also obligated to not exaggerate with the power of the attack. [51]
Egypt: Foreign Minister Aboul Gheit stated "Targeting civilians under the pretext of fighting terrorism is unacceptable and unjustified. Israeli practices violate international law. We condemn any military action that targets civilians. We consider it a terrorist act, regardless of who the civilians are or its source." [52]
European Union: Finland, which holds the European Union's rotating presidency, has issued the follwing statement: "The European Union is greatly concerned about the disproportionate use of force by Israel in Lebanon in response to attacks by Hezbollah on Israel. The presidency deplores the loss of civilian lives and the destruction of civilian infrastructure. The imposition of an air and sea blockade on Lebanon cannot be justified." [53]
France: Foreign minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said the Israeli offensive on Lebanon is a "disproportionate act of war with negative consequences" which could "plunge Lebanon back into the worst years of the war with the flight of thousands of Lebanese who ... were in the process of rebuilding their country.” “I am very concerned about the latest developments on the Israel-Lebanon border… I condemn the rocket strikes this (Wednesday) morning on the town of Qiryat Shemona. I also condemn the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and I ask for their immediate and unconditional release… I call on all parties to show restraint and not engage in a cycle of violence in which civilian populations would be the first victims.“ [54][55]
Germany: Chancellor Angela Merkel says "We call on the powers in the region to seek to bring about a de-escalation of the situation. We cannot confuse cause and effect. The starting point is the capture of the Israeli soldiers. It is important that the government in Lebanon, which is on a peaceful path, should be strengthened, but it must be made clear that the capture [of the soldiers] cannot be tolerated. The attacks did not start from the Israeli side, but from Hezbollah's side." [52]
Greece: Spokesman Evangelos Antonaros urged Hezbollah to release the captured Israeli soldiers. "Greece expresses its serious concern and is intensely troubled," the spokesman said, "It is vital, to stop the (situation) worsening, Hezbollah must immediately release the soldiers taken hostage," "At the same time, Greece calls on the government of Israel to avoid the use of excessive and pointless force which cannot provide a solution to the problem." [56]
Iran: Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi condemned Israel's response stating, "The Zionist regime is desperate because of the resistance put up by regional Muslim nations and is now resorting to blind tactics against the innocent people of Lebanon with full US backing."[57]Iran also adds that an Israeli attack aganist Syria would be considered an attack aganist the entire Islamic world and it would bring about a "fierce response." [58]
Italy: The Italian foreign minister Massimo D'Alema said "We have the impression that the (Israeli) reaction is out of proportion and dangerous for the consequences it could have, I think that this, apart from some nuances, is the way the whole international community sees the situation." He then added "We are working for moves by the EU and the G8 in the next few hours to stop the spiral of violence" making reference to the G8 meeting planned for the weekend in St Petersburg. He also condemned the Hezbollah assault on Israeli soldiers as "unacceptable" adding that Rome had asked for the release of the soldiers being held hostage. [59]
Japan: Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi urged restraint and stated “I understand the anger of the Israelis, but I hope you will not seek an eye for an eye and keep in mind the importance of peace.” [60]
Jordan: A statement from the Jordanian Government said "Jordan stands against whoever exposes the Palestinian people and their cause, Lebanon and its sovereignty to unexpected dangers. Israel's use of force against unarmed civilians and the outcome in terms of the human loss and destruction of civil institutions." [52]
Norway: The Norwegian foreign minister Jonas Gahr Støre called Israel's reaction "totally unacceptable" and referred to it as "a dangerous escalation," while also condeming Hezbollah's attack on and the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers. [61]
Palestinian territories: The Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas spoke of a possible war in the region.[62]
Russia: Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said “This is a disproportionate response to what has happened and if both sides are going to drive each other into a tight corner then I think that all this will develop in a very dramatic and tragic way” "We firmly reaffirm support for Lebanon's sovereignty and territorial integrity" he told reporters. [63]
Saudi Arabia: A Saudi official quoted by the Saudi Press Agency accused Hezbollah guerrillas - without naming them - of "uncalculated adventures" that precipitated the latest Middle East crisis. "The kingdom sees that it is time for those elements to alone shoulder the full responsibility for this irresponsible behavior and that the burden of ending the crisis falls on them alone."[64]
United Nations: The top UN official in Lebanon said “Hezbollah’s action escalates the already tense situation along the Blue Line and is an act of very dangerous proportions,” in a statement. Kofi Annan referred to the Hezbollah attack as having occurred in southern Lebanon. He also demands Hezbollah free the two captured Israeli soldiers. He also has sent a 3 man party to the Middle East to urge countries to show restraint. [46][19][65]. On July 13 US vetoed Security Council resolution calling for the immediate and unconditional release of the Israeli soldier abducted by Palestinian armed groups from Gaza and for a halt to what it called a “disproportionate” military reaction by Israel. [66]
United States: Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs David Welch condemns what he calls a “dangerous escalation” and calls for the release of the Israeli soldiers.[2] The United States has blamed Syria and Iran for the capture of two Israeli soldiers. “We must hold the governments of Syria and Iran accountable for their continued support to Hezbollah and threaten them with possible agression. So long as these governments are failing to live up to their responsibilities, no one should question the right of the government of Israel to act in self-defense against terrorists operating from Lebanon,” United States Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said that the Lebanese government should uphold its responsibility under a U.N. resolution to make sure its territory isn’t being used for Hezbollah or other groups.[67][18] President George W. Bush says [68] that Israel has the right to defend themselves, “The soldiers need to be returned,” he said. “It’s really sad where people are willing to take innocent life in order to stop that progress (for peace). As a matter of fact, it’s pathetic.” He also said "The democracy of Lebanon is an important part of laying a foundation of peace in that region," and "The concern is that any activities by Israel to protect herself will weaken the (LRE) government."

Same old crap, the US is simply a puppet to Israel
I'm not sure where this is heading, but I do know this..I do not like it..this is some thin ice that W is skating on..
You guys, read my post..this thread is wrong. Ocean is trying to lobby people against Bush but hes using false information.

The final vote was in favour of the resolution, the USA simply vetoed and over turned the result.

The final vote was in favour of the resolution, the USA simply vetoed and over turned the result.
Dont be a tool...just read over my post and read the respones of the nations I listed as the good guys. You may learn something.

You guys, read my post..this thread is wrong. Ocean is trying to lobby people against Bush but hes using false information.
Maybe. But that does not change the fact that at least some of us feel that Israel's reaction was somewhat..excessive (*cough*speaking for myself*cough*)..If they really wanted to save those hostages, then a spec ops mission would have been a far better idea..This whole things reeks slightly of a set up, to me at least..
Dont be a tool...just read over my post and read the respones of the nations I listed as the good guys. You may learn something.
Interesting..Seems to be missing my rl nation on it (Iceland)..Did we issue any statement about this, or?

Maybe. But that does not change the fact that at least some of us feel that Israel's reaction was somewhat..excessive (*cough*speaking for myself*cough*)..If they really wanted to save those hostages, then a spec ops mission would have been a far better idea..This whole things reeks slightly of a set up, to me at least..
Thats fine and not what I'm arguing. Oceans thread is false...it clearly shows that America, Canada, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia and Denmark support Israel and blame Lebanon.....also possibly Japan and Greece.

Bush is hardly alone in this.

You guys, read my post..this thread is wrong. Ocean is trying to lobby people against Bush but hes using false information.

What false information, the final result was in favour of the resolution, once again the USA vetoes a resolution which goes against israels interests.

What false information, the final result was in favour of the resolution, once again the USA vetoes a resolution which goes against israels interests.
What are you, a parot?

Read the reactions and statements from the countries....and dont reply until you do.

Ocean, you need to shut up can you make-me shut up?
No?

I didnt think so.This thread is false and wrong.You mean to say that YahooNEWS and NBC-NEWS are not so "Fair-and-balanced"?

interesting.

.get your facts straight... I did.. I double checked my sources, did you?

What are you, a parot?

Read the reactions and statements from the countries....and dont reply until you do.

Just because some nations support bush, it doesnt mean the resolution went through. Just listen.

The final vote resulted in an approval of the Resolution.
Then, the USA vetoed it.
Do u got it
I dont give a crap if bush is alone or not
the final result was over turned, once again, by the USA

can you make-me shut up?
No?

I didnt think so.You mean to say that YahooNEWS and NBC-NEWS are not so "Fair-and-balanced"?

interesting.

.I did I double checked my sources, did you?
Dont try to talk your way out of this...look at what I posted. It clearly shows that not only is America taking Israels side but Germany, Denmark, Australia, Canada, Saudi Arabia and possibly Greece and Japan are also. I know you want to use every opportunity to bash Bush...but try to atleast do it without lying and using false imformation.

Just because some nations support bush, it doesnt mean the resolution went through. Just listen.

The final vote resulted in an approval of the Resolution.
Then, the USA vetoed it.
Do u got it
I dont give a crap if bush is alone or not
the final result was over turned, once again, by the USA

And I'm glad it turned get over turned...but saying that Bush is the loned defender against Israel is not only stupid but false.

The Atlantian islands, the latest resolution was in relation to the Gaza situation, not the lebanese situation.
Get YOUR facts right.

Dont try to talk your way out of this...the Isreali actions are so wrong... I dont even need to talk.. all I need to do is post the links from the NEWS sites..

If I am ever writing small comments.. its just to comply with the NSGforum rules.
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U.S. vetoes U.N. condemnation of Israel
UNITED NATIONS — The United States blocked an Arab-backed resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first U.N. Security Council veto in nearly two years.

The draft, sponsored by Qatar on behalf of other Arab nations, accused Israel of a "disproportionate use of force" that endangered Palestinian civilians, and demanded Israel withdraw its troops from Gaza.

The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, while Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia abstained.

The U.S. has periodically used its veto to block resolutions critical of Israel. The last council veto, in October 2004, was cast when the United States blocked a resolution condemning another Israeli operation in Gaza.
© 2006 The Associated Press
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4045650.html
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my2cents: this largely proves Asadia's point.

The Atlantian islands You've been served.

Boy I can't wait til all these middle-east assholes kill eachother off. We should give more of them nukes. Short-range, of course. ;)

Boy I can't wait til all these middle-east assholes kill eachother off. We should give more of them nukes. Short-range, of course.

Cant wait till the USA is killed off. :upyours:

Boy I can't wait til all these middle-east assholes kill eachother off. We should give more of them nukes. Short-range, of course. ;)
Bad idea. The nukes may be short ranged, but the effects of setting many of them off won't be.
Not to mention you won't even know what the words "high oil price" means till you see a good 1/3rd of the world's supply gone..After all you did imply the whole of the middle east.

Comment: what else is new Don quixote?

U.S. stands alone in defending Israel
WASHINGTON - In Germany on Thursday, President Bush strongly supported Israel's right to defend itself, blaming Syria for harboring terror groups active in both Lebanon and Gaza.

"Syria needs to be held to account,” Bush says. “Syria is housing the militant wing of Hamas. Hezbollah has got an active presence in Syria."

But all day, the U.S. was alone in defending Israel. At the U.N., the U.S. exercised the sole veto against a resolution condemning Israel's Gaza incursion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13848003/
Just goes to show that what the left has been saying all these years is correct: the majority is not always right. :)

IMHO, Isreal is reacting excessively against Lebenon/Hesbala/Hamas/Syria/wherever else they've attacked this week because they're trying to scare the shit out of Iran who's developing nuclear material and who's leader has a number of speaches saying that they'll "Wipe Isreal off the map".

Isreal of course may have nukes of their own... or they may not... You never know with Mossad, they're a tricky bunch.

Also, look at some of the Hamas tactics. Before the new Palistinian-government was elected, Isreal unilaterally moved out of Gaza. Hamas declared a "Great victory for the palistinians". Then a Hesbala cell attacks an Isreali army station killing several and taking a prisoner... Dragging him into GAZA!

Hamas wants Isreal wiped clean too... it's all about anti-semitism.

Cant wait till the USA is killed off. :upyours:

Maybe in 1500 years when we've been fighting our neighbors for as long as they have. :)

It's good knowing that we support our strategic allies in their time of need.. I doubt many of our "allies" would do the same for us.

Maybe in 1500 years when we've been fighting our neighbors for as long as they have. :)
Or maybe in 15 years due to internal strife. Who can say? Let the Wheel turn, baby. Turn.

It's good knowing that we support our strategic allies in their time of need.. I doubt many of our "allies" would do the same for us.
:rolleyes:

Not if you're going to pout like a child about it, no.

:rolleyes:

Not if you're going to pout like a child about it, no.

I wasn't referring to a specific instance. I would hardly consider any engagement we're currently involved in as a "time of need." We don't exactly have missiles landing within our borders. ;)

Boy I can't wait til all these middle-east assholes kill eachother off. We should give more of them nukes. Short-range, of course. ;)
I'm so tired of this shit that I wish that too.

Just goes to show that what the left has been saying all these years is correct: the majority is not always right. :)
Do you have any idea what was demanded on the draft?

e.g.
"The new draft added language expressing "grave concern" about the firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel and condemning "all acts of violence, terror and destruction" including the recent abduction and killing of an Israeli civilian in the West Bank.

It called on the Palestinian Authority to "take immediate and sustained action to bring an end to violence, including the firing of rockets on Israeli territory."

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/737604.html

It's good knowing that we support our strategic allies in their time of need...Like we supported Pinochet, Shah, Marcos, etc etc..

Maybe. But that does not change the fact that at least some of us feel that Israel's reaction was somewhat..excessive (*cough*speaking for myself*cough*)
No ones denying that, if you look at The Atlantian islands posts on the other countries, EVERYONE is saying that Israel is going too far with their attacks, but they are agreeing that Israel had a good reason for it. They just want Israel to tone it down and stop bombing everything that moves.

the Isreali actions are so wrong... I dont even need to talk.. all I need to do is post the links from the NEWS sites..

If I am ever writing small comments.. its just to comply with the NSGforum rules.
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U.S. vetoes U.N. condemnation of Israel
UNITED NATIONS — The United States blocked an Arab-backed resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first U.N. Security Council veto in nearly two years.

The draft, sponsored by Qatar on behalf of other Arab nations, accused Israel of a "disproportionate use of force" that endangered Palestinian civilians, and demanded Israel withdraw its troops from Gaza.

The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, while Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia abstained.

The U.S. has periodically used its veto to block resolutions critical of Israel. The last council veto, in October 2004, was cast when the United States blocked a resolution condemning another Israeli operation in Gaza.
© 2006 The Associated Press
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4045650.html
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my2cents: this largely proves Asadia's point.
If the PRC and Russia are allowed to use their veto to block resolutions against Iran and North Korea, I don't see why anything is wrong with the US using their veto to block resolutions against Israel.

Like we supported Pinochet, Shah, Marcos, etc etc..
Primarily because we didn't have a good understanding of the situation and our judgement was clouded by our fear of what would happen if we withdrew our support. We subscribed to a worst-case-scenario view of the world, and that's what we got.

..our judgement was clouded...was ?

was ?
In those specifiic incidents, a tremendous fear of the Soviet Union put a filter over the eyes of the US government. Red and Blue became the only colors we could see. Imperfect perception led to mistakes.

The classic example is Ho Chi Minh, who, despite the fact that his primary motivations were to drive foreign influence out of Vietnam, be it Soviet or otherwise was viewed as a Soviet stooge, when he was really your garden variety anti-colonial nationalist. Who, I might add, played the competing communist powers off of each other quite nicely. He had mad 5k1llz!

If the PRC and Russia are allowed to use their veto to block resolutions against Iran and North Korea, I don't see why anything is wrong with the US using their veto to block resolutions against Israel.

....since 1972 or so.

The great thing about the Chinese and Russians though, is you don't get people talking about them as the 'light of the Western world'. And theres none of this democracy and 'Freedom' shite either. They do what they do, as a barefaced pack of bastards. The US won't come clean though.

If the PRC and Russia are allowed to use their veto to block resolutions against Iran and North Korea, I don't see why anything is wrong with the US using their veto to block resolutions against Israel.
Well, they are allowed. Most of us just think that it isn't the right thing to do.

... our judgement was clouded ...was?
and no longer is?

It's a case of seeing the world as black and white, while not seeing the many shades of grey in between..A fundamentally flawed view..(and not unique to the US, either)

....since 1972 or so.

The great thing about the Chinese and Russians though, is you don't get people talking about them as the 'light of the Western world'. And theres none of this democracy and 'Freedom' shite either. They do what they do, as a barefaced pack of bastards. The US won't come clean though.
Of course, I would argue that there is a sizable amount of difference between Israel and Iran and North Korea. And, with the admonition that the PRC and Russia are barefaced packs of bastards, then, doesn't their opposition to Israel reflect that as well?

was?
and no longer is?
Not in the same way. The filter has changed, and it allows for more discrimination betwen different ideologies, but certain ideologies are all mushed together.

Of course, I would argue that there is a sizable amount of difference between Israel and Iran and North Korea. And, with the admonition that the PRC and Russia are barefaced packs of bastards, then, doesn't their opposition to Israel reflect that as well?

Not unless you want US support of Israel to be a reflection of its support of Pinochet and Pol Pot....

Not in the same way. The filter has changed, and it allows for more discrimination betwen different ideologies, but certain ideologies are all mushed together.... US population judgement was clouded by the US media...

and still is clouded by the US media... "what-else-is-new?"

Like we supported Pinochet, Shah, Marcos, etc etc..

And? I'm failing to see the problem in that.:confused:

No ones denying that, if you look at The Atlantian islands posts on the other countries, EVERYONE is saying that Israel is going too far with their attacks, but they are agreeing that Israel had a good reason for it. They just want Israel to tone it down and stop bombing everything that moves.

Well...not everyone. America, Australia, Canada, Germany and Saudi Arabia didnt say that. Neither did India.

Comment: what else is new Don quixote?

U.S. stands alone in defending Israel
WASHINGTON - In Germany on Thursday, President Bush strongly supported Israel's right to defend itself, blaming Syria for harboring terror groups active in both Lebanon and Gaza.

"Syria needs to be held to account,” Bush says. “Syria is housing the militant wing of Hamas. Hezbollah has got an active presence in Syria."

But all day, the U.S. was alone in defending Israel. At the U.N., the U.S. exercised the sole veto against a resolution condemning Israel's Gaza incursion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13848003/

Considering we should be holding Iran to account and not Syria, I agree with Bush and applaud the veto. I guess it goes to show that the US is the only one willing to fight when they know they are in the right.

This thread is false and wrong.

Ocean, you need to shut up and get your facts straight.

Well said :)

What false information, the final result was in favour of the resolution, once again the USA vetoes a resolution which goes against israels interests.

Oh Grow up. The resolution said nothing about Hamas and their little antics. It was a one-sided resolution and that was why it was vetoed. Get your facts straight.

the Isreali actions are so wrong... I dont even need to talk.. all I need to do is post the links from the NEWS sites..

If I am ever writing small comments.. its just to comply with the NSGforum rules.

We already know you hate israel so anything you do have to say will be seen in that light.

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U.S. vetoes U.N. condemnation of Israel
UNITED NATIONS — The United States blocked an Arab-backed resolution Thursday that would have demanded Israel halt its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, the first U.N. Security Council veto in nearly two years.

First off, it was arab sponsered. We all know their feelings against Israel.

The draft, sponsored by Qatar on behalf of other Arab nations, accused Israel of a "disproportionate use of force" that endangered Palestinian civilians, and demanded Israel withdraw its troops from Gaza.

I guess they forgot that it was Hamas that started the whole affair.

The United States was alone in voting against the resolution. Ten of the 15 Security Council nations voted in favor, while Britain, Denmark, Peru and Slovakia abstained.

Good for the US to veto a one-sided resolution.

The U.S. has periodically used its veto to block resolutions critical of Israel. The last council veto, in October 2004, was cast when the United States blocked a resolution condemning another Israeli operation in Gaza.
© 2006 The Associated Press
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4045650.html
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my2cents: this largely proves Asadia's point.

Again, blocking yet another one-sided resolution. I find it disgusting that these morons at the UN continously ignore the otherside of the equation.

Cant wait till the USA is killed off. :upyours:

That confirms that you are a troll of someone who doesn't have any facts whatsoever.

If the PRC and Russia are allowed to use their veto to block resolutions against Iran and North Korea, I don't see why anything is wrong with the US using their veto to block resolutions against Israel.

Damn commies never did figure out what the right thing was. Of course it just proves the point why the United Nations is worthless.

I think that either everyone should get veto power or noone should

the fact that the US is the only country that ever vetos any resolutions against Israel is quite worrying. Does the rest of the world just hate Israel without cause or is Israel stepping over the line too often? We can see that most countries do condemn attacks on Israel and feel that they are justified in retaliation for wrongs against them, so it would seem true that the majority of other countries pushing for this resolution do not hate Israel and are not trying to weaken them.

The veto is one of the main reasons the UN is so worthless.

That confirms that you are a troll of someone who doesn't have any facts whatsoever.
In his defense it was in responce to a comment that was at the very least borderline trolling, in itself. The poster said something to the effect that he wished the middle east nuked itself into oblivion..

Again, blocking yet another one-sided resolution. I find it disgusting that these morons at the UN continously ignore the otherside of the equation.

How was blocking a motion asking for the illegal settlement building to cease 'one-sided'' when only one side is doing it, and its an illegal act regardless of the occupation? Theres been quite a few like that, that have nothing to do with who attacked who first.

How was blocking a motion asking for the illegal settlement building to cease 'one-sided'' when only one side is doing it, and its an illegal act regardless of the occupation? Theres been quite a few like that, that have nothing to do with who attacked who first.

Since when do terrorists have rights in the UN?

Since when do terrorists have rights in the UN?

Actually everybody has rights of some description.

What has that got to do with what I asked? Were there no terrorism, or military action of any kind, the settlements would be illegal. Therefore why has the US vetoed resolutions concering them?

Oh Grow up. The resolution said nothing about Hamas and their little antics. It was a one-sided resolution and that was why it was vetoed. Get your facts straight.
Yeah, it said nothing of Hamas...
“Condemning also the firing of rockets from Gaza into Israel and the abduction of an Israeli soldier by Palestinian armed groups from Gaza, and the recent abduction and killing of an Israeli civilian in the West Bank,

“Condemning all acts of violence, terror and destruction,

“1. Calls for the immediate and unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldier;

Actually everybody has rights of some description.

What has that got to do with what I asked? Were there no terrorism, or military action of any kind, the settlements would be illegal. Therefore why has the US vetoed resolutions concering them?
Uh, actually no, fuck that. The only rights terrorists have are the right to give up, or the right to die.

Uh, actually no, fuck that. The only rights terrorists have are the right to give up, or the right to die.

So they have one right even according to you. Well thats just lovely.

And that has nothing to do with the question that was asked either. But don't let that get in the way of your attempt to elicit a reaction with your 'manly war talk'.

So they have one right even according to you. Well thats just lovely.

And that has nothing to do with the question that was asked either. But don't let that get in the way of your attempt to elicit a reaction with your 'manly war talk'.
I wont.

I said it before and I'll say it again: The UN needs to put a lot of restrictions on the use of the veto. As things stand, a third of the UNSC, five out of fifteen, hold vetoes. Can you imagine if a third of the Congress or Parliament or Knesset or whatever your country's legislature is had vetoes over proposed legislation? Nothing would ever get passed.

Now, the veto might have been a good idea back in the days the UN was first founded, where threatening one of the five permanent members (who also had ZOMG NUKES!!!) would lead to WWIII, but now it's being abused to protect nations allied with the US (or Russia, the US isn't the only guilty party here) from the consequences of their actions.

But now it's being used to veto the release of an Israeli soldier just because the US doesn't like the idea of confronting Israel over their policy toward the Arabs.

The US's abuse of its veto is a threat to the legitimacy of the UNSC. Who in the Arab world will listen to an impotent organization effectively owned by John Bolton?

I'll float a few solutions, and see which ones you like.

1. Remove the need for "great power unanimity" (the UN word for veto).

2. If this sounds too politically difficult to get through, restrict the number of vetoes that can be cast in a certain time-frame, say 5 or 10 years. Negative votes cast in excess of that limit would count only as ordinary negative votes.

3. Give Israel a veto. Then Israel can cast its own veto and the US won't catch international opprobrium for it. Of course, we'd give Iran a veto, too. Gotta keep these things balanced. :) (On a serious note, I'm not a big fan of Israel, but I do think that allowing Israel to serve on the UNSC as a non-permanent member is a good idea, even if it has to be extra-geographically assigned to the Eastern European regional grouping rather than the Middle Eastern one.)

4. When the League of Nations didn't work, it was torn down and rebuilt from the ground up as the United Nations. Maybe it's time to replace the UN.

... US population judgement was clouded by the US media...

and still is clouded by the US media... "what-else-is-new?"
Most certainly not. The US judgement is clouded by bureaucratic groupthink at times, but most certainly not by the media. At the same time the population took a view of ignorance on these policies, and listened to the bureacrats in the government, even though media outlets did show what was happening in these countries.

Not unless you want US support of Israel to be a reflection of its support of Pinochet and Pol Pot....
As far as I can tell, the US opposed Pol Pot and supported his rivals. The PRC supported the Khmer Rouge, not the US.

As far as I can tell, the US opposed Pol Pot and supported his rivals. The PRC supported the Khmer Rouge, not the US.
Not so much opposed as ignored, because he was the enemy of the enemies of the US (the USSR and Vietnam)

Not unless you want US support of Israel to be a reflection of its support of Pinochet and Pol Pot....
Whats wrong about that?

What's wrong about that?

http://en.wikipedia.orgg/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet

"On September 11, 1973, the military, led by Pinochet, stormed the presidential palace and seized power from President Allende, who was found dead soon after. A junta headed by Pinochet was established, which immediately suspended the constitution, dissolved Congress, imposed strict censorship, proscribed the leftist parties that had constituted Allende's Popular Unity coalition, and halted all political activity. In addition, it embarked on a campaign of terror against opponents and perceived leftists in the country. As a result, approximately 3,000 Chilean residents are known to have been executed, or "disappeared", more than 27,000[2] were incarcerated and in a great many cases tortured, according to the Valech Report. Many were exiled and received abroad, in particular in Argentina, as political refugees; but they were followed in their exile by the DINA secret police, in the frame of Operation Condor which linked South-American dictatorships together against political opponents."

Why don't you tell me what's wrong with suspending the law, imposing censorship, demolishing political freedom, torture, murder, and forced disappearances?

http://en.wikipedia.orgg/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet

"On September 11, 1973, the military, led by Pinochet, stormed the presidential palace and seized power from President Allende, who was found dead soon after. A junta headed by Pinochet was established, which immediately suspended the constitution, dissolved Congress, imposed strict censorship, proscribed the leftist parties that had constituted Allende's Popular Unity coalition, and halted all political activity. In addition, it embarked on a campaign of terror against opponents and perceived leftists in the country. As a result, approximately 3,000 Chilean residents are known to have been executed, or "disappeared", more than 27,000[2] were incarcerated and in a great many cases tortured, according to the Valech Report. Many were exiled and received abroad, in particular in Argentina, as political refugees; but they were followed in their exile by the DINA secret police, in the frame of Operation Condor which linked South-American dictatorships together against political opponents."

Why don't you tell me what's wrong with suspending the law, imposing censorship, demolishing political freedom, torture, murder, and forced disappearances?
In all honesty...if my country had fallen to the level Chile had while Socialist President Allende was in power..where people couldnt eat cuz the money was worth nothing..I would do the same. Its not like he did those things in a first world country, no he did that in a poor country with a crashed economy, and he did it to bring the country back up, which he did...Chile is now the best country in South America because of him. Reagan and Thatcher both supported him (I'm pretty sure).

Boo! I bet you'd have said the same about Hitler if he was a Chilean.

Boo! I bet you'd have said the same about Hitler if he was a Chilean.
No. Hitler and Pinochet are not comparable.

You guys, read my post..this thread is wrong. Ocean is trying to lobby people against Bush but hes using false information.



Why let the truth get in the way of a good smear - typical of the Anti-American left. They don't give a damn about the truth.

As far as I can tell, the US opposed Pol Pot and supported his rivals. The PRC supported the Khmer Rouge, not the US.


Amazing how far some are willing to go to re-write history. :rolleyes:


Pol Pot was a darling of the left, not of the United States. Just ask Noam Chomsky who defends him to this day.

Comment: what else is new Don quixote?

U.S. stands alone in defending Israel
WASHINGTON - In Germany on Thursday, President Bush strongly supported Israel's right to defend itself, blaming Syria for harboring terror groups active in both Lebanon and Gaza.

"Syria needs to be held to account,” Bush says. “Syria is housing the militant wing of Hamas. Hezbollah has got an active presence in Syria."

But all day, the U.S. was alone in defending Israel. At the U.N., the U.S. exercised the sole veto against a resolution condemning Israel's Gaza incursion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13848003/



Well US diplomacy should be an oxymoron . BUT in this case WTF ? they are so right. Why wouldnt you defend a country being attacked from outside its borders by terrorist lobbing missiles and kidnapping soldiers ?

The countries not defending Israel ? What does that say about them ?

Not so much opposed as ignored, because he was the enemy of the enemies of the US (the USSR and Vietnam)
Either that or shortly after Vietnam, the country would not have been able to marshall the public support for another war in southeast asia, and as such, we chose to ignore the situation. In fact, we continued to provide Sinahouk with a limited amount of supplies.

The countries not defending Israel ? What does that say about them ?that they are Nazi/Hitlers/Holocaust-deniers/antisemites? :rolleyes: (You are pathetic)

BTW I do not defend Israel.. so you can call me all that if you wish.. I do not give a shiite.

that they are Nazi/Hitlers/Holocaust-deniers/antisemites? :rolleyes: (You are pathetic)

BTW I do not defend Israel.. so you can call me all that if you wish.. I do not give a shiite.
Your anti-semetic and beleive in the zionist conspiracy.

I think Israel is in the right here. Every time somebody from Hamas or some other group calls for peace a suicide bomber pops into an Israeli coffee shop and blows up 20 people. Wewt.

Your anti-semetic and beleive in the zionist conspiracy.Now that you got that off your chest.. Do you feel better now?
:D :D :p :D

Why let the truth get in the way of a good smear - typical of the Anti-American left. They don't give a damn about the truth.
aaaaaaaaaaargh
it's not about what the leaders of the countries have said about it. It's about the fact that USA vetoed the draft. How difficult can it be?

aaaaaaaaaaargh
It's about the fact that USA vetoed the draft. How difficult can it be?they dont get it.. 70% of their brain is in a coma.

and the other 30% is playing a loop of FOX/CNN front-Line "reports"

Now that you got that off your chest.. Do you feel better now?
:D :D :p :D
No. I want to take you to Israel then take you to the arab lands and show you which is better, personally and which people/country accepts you and which people/country hate you and wouldnt mind seeing you dead.

The Us ia a puppet to Isreal you say?
lol, the united states is no puppet? Isreal has the right to defend itself, why cant the US support it? And why shouldnt they?

No. I want to take you to Israel then take you to the arab lands and show you which is better, personally and which people/country accepts you and which people/country hate you and wouldnt mind seeing you dead.The Army recruiters offered me a very fat $$$ bonus to "visit" war zones.. and I told those pimps to get lost..

What do you have to offer?

hint* once you offered 72 naked virgins in your private island.. and that was just not enough..

The Us ia a puppet to Isreal you say?
lol, the united states is no puppet? Isreal has the right to defend itself, why cant the US support it? And why shouldnt they?the name is Israel. (why am I wasting time even talking with this one :confused: )

The Army recruiters offered me a very fat $$$ bonus to "visit" war zones.. and I told those pimps to get lost..

What do have to offer?

hint* once you offered 72 naked virgins in your private island.. and that was just not enough..

I went to Israel last Christmas and it wanst a war zone. Maybe when the fighting cools down you should go. Go there then try to go to Saudi Arabia...OH WAIT!....or try to go to Syria....I'm sure they'd love you there.

Seriously I gurantee that would change your whole opinion on this middle east conflict.

....and they were BLONDE virgins, bitch.:D

....and they were BLONDE virgins, bitch.:Dmaybe some of them are not real... Blondes
;)

As far as I can tell, the US opposed Pol Pot and supported his rivals. The PRC supported the Khmer Rouge, not the US.

Between 1979 and the early 90's the Khmer Rouge received about 20 million USD a year in aid as part of the anti-vietnamese coaltion, plus visits from military advisors. America also persuaded Thailand to let them set up camps near the border. And there was support for them by the US at the UN.

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9804/13/china.pol.pot/


No. I want to take you to Israel then take you to the arab lands and show you which is better, personally and which people/country accepts you and which people/country hate you and wouldnt mind seeing you dead..

Yes, the mental trauma of your school outing. We heard it before. If you listen carefully you will hear the sound of a nano-violin playing just for you.

You still didn't answer the question about the US veto of reolutions concerning the settlements.

What are you, a parot?

Read the reactions and statements from the countries....and dont reply until you do.You are missing the point, though. We are aware the US is not alone in supporting Israel, however, the point made by some people here, is that the US vetoed a resolution supported by the majority of the United Nations.

No. Hitler and Pinochet are not comparable.

The reason you gave for supporting Pinochet functions as an excuse to support Hitler as well. You seem to be defending the US's support for a mad dictator here. Nobody here thinks Pinochet has done anything good for Chile.

Both the US and Israel and supporters thereof seem to be too caught up in who is right and wrong. Probably true of the other side too.

We need to stop thinking of it like we have to make everythign right and kill all the bad guys - bad as they may be.

What we want is a few leaders and politicians who will make some hard calls based on what will not result in another stupid exchange of missiles that achieve nothing except making the other side pissed off and costing a lot of money.

He had mad 5k1llz!

To which the United states claimed "He's using haxxors! OMG! Ban him!"

can you make-me shut up?
No?

I didnt think so.

no but we can ignore you ;)

It's good knowing that we support our strategic allies in their time of need.. I doubt many of our "allies" would do the same for us.

good point, obviously not many other countries are as loyal as the US, this coming from a Brit

Both the US and Israel and supporters thereof seem to be too caught up in who is right and wrong. Probably true of the other side too.

We need to stop thinking of it like we have to make everythign right and kill all the bad guys - bad as they may be.

What we want is a few leaders and politicians who will make some hard calls based on what will not result in another stupid exchange of missiles that achieve nothing except making the other side pissed off and costing a lot of money.
we don't want to kill all the bad guys. just crash their terror organization and don't let them kill us.

we don't want to kill all the bad guys. just crash their terror organization and don't let them kill us.

If I’m wandering around in a forest and I meet a bear (and I don’t like bears) I have 3 options
1) kill it
2) poke it with a stick
3) go home

1 and 3 work, 2 doesn't provide any solution at all until I eventually resort to 1 or 3.

You keep poking your enemy with a stick - you bomb some air field or shoot a missile at some house, it is all pin pricks in the big scheme of things. All they achieve is to make the enemy get more insane and more annoyed.

You need to either go all out for 1 and putting a bullet:mp5: in anyone who looks at you funny and preventing gathering of more than 3 people in any one place (beat their population into submission) OR 3 - don’t be quite that easy to get upset and let he situation cool down.:fluffle:

I prefer 3 but even if you want 1 it is better to just jump to it than to do 2 and then 1.

If I’m wandering around in a forest and I meet a bear (and I don’t like bears) I have 3 options
1) kill it
2) poke it with a stick
3) go home

1 and 3 work, 2 doesn't provide any solution at all until I eventually resort to 1 or 3.

You keep poking your enemy with a stick - you bomb some air field or shoot a missile at some house, it is all pin pricks in the big scheme of things. All they achieve is to make the enemy get more insane and more annoyed.

You need to either go all out for 1 and putting a bullet:mp5: in anyone who looks at you funny and preventing gathering of more than 3 people in any one place (beat their population into submission) OR 3 - don’t be quite that easy to get upset and let he situation cool down.:fluffle:

I prefer 3 but even if you want 1 it is better to just jump to it than to do 2 and then 1.
I think that the bear would go away if I poked it with a stick.

I think Israel is in the right here. Every time somebody from Hamas or some other group calls for peace a suicide bomber pops into an Israeli coffee shop and blows up 20 people. Wewt.
Yeah, but as you noted, the government authority (Hamas at the moment) is condemning these attacks. The state of Palestine (or "The occupied territories" for you smart-arses in the crowd) was against such attacks until their beach was shelled and some civilians died because of it.

Whether it was a misfire or not, the blaming of Palestine was completely inappropriate and this ended a ceasefire which had lasted between Israel and almost anti-Israel.

Now people are responding airstrikes with suicide bombings, and the Israelis for some reason don't understand, and launch yet more airstrikes, which leads to yet more suicide bombings.

It's a viscious cycle, and I think that Israel is in the wrong. The Palestinian government doesn't have control of what individual suicide bombers do, so it can't really change the situation, but on the other hand, the Israeli air force is under the control of their government, and hence they are the ones who have any influence on the situation.

Olmert is being extremely irresponsible, and the actions against Lebanon and Palestine are not going to help get the Israeli soldiers back, they'll do the opposite.

If I’m wandering around in a forest and I meet a bear (and I don’t like bears) I have 3 options
1) kill it
2) poke it with a stick
3) go home

1 and 3 work, 2 doesn't provide any solution at all until I eventually resort to 1 or 3.

You keep poking your enemy with a stick - you bomb some air field or shoot a missile at some house, it is all pin pricks in the big scheme of things. All they achieve is to make the enemy get more insane and more annoyed.

You need to either go all out for 1 and putting a bullet:mp5: in anyone who looks at you funny and preventing gathering of more than 3 people in any one place (beat their population into submission) OR 3 - don’t be quite that easy to get upset and let he situation cool down.:fluffle:

I prefer 3 but even if you want 1 it is better to just jump to it than to do 2 and then 1.
more like dozens of hungry mad dogs.
than you get 3 options:
1)kill them all
2)harm their alpha males and make them run away
3)run away.

1- it better not to do as other options stands (and it is against some laws).
3- will make them run after you until they will kill you.
2- minimal possible harm with maximal good effect. groups of wolfs usually relied on their leaders, and won't attack you if they had no such.

btw, I don't think that animal stories will help us while we deal with humans which think differently, and even opposing the thinking way of almost all the animals on earth.

we don't want to kill all the bad guys. just crash their terror organization and don't let them kill us.

Uh-huh. Like the bad guys at the Beirut International Airport? Oops, none over there.

Israel's answer to any problem: A sledgehammer

Yeah, but as you noted, the government authority (Hamas at the moment) is condemning these attacks. The state of Palestine (or "The occupied territories" for you smart-arses in the crowd) was against such attacks until their beach was shelled and some civilians died because of it.just as arrafat "condemn" the terror, while secretly tell the terrorists to continue and give them money and weaponary. hammas keep launch missles on israel all that time, only it called himself in different names.

Whether it was a misfire or not, the blaming of Palestine was completely inappropriate and this ended a ceasefire which had lasted between Israel and almost anti-Israel.some of their religious leaders said "if your enemy is stronger, make cease fire. than you may get more weapons and be stronger. when it will happend, stop the ceasefire and kill him."
this is one of the tactics Muhamad and his supporters use in the past, and some want to use it in the present days.
Now people are responding airstrikes with suicide bombings, and the Israelis for some reason don't understand, and launch yet more airstrikes, which leads to yet more suicide bombings.suicide bombers were much before the kiddnaps and much before what happen on that beach. if that wasn't happend they would use other excuse.

It's a viscious cycle, and I think that Israel is in the wrong. The Palestinian government doesn't have control of what individual suicide bombers do, so it can't really change the situation, but on the other hand, the Israeli air force is under the control of their government, and hence they are the ones who have any influence on the situation.if they can't control their terrorists, we had right to act against the terror. do you propose we will let them kill us and do nothing to stop them?

Olmert is being extremely irresponsible, and the actions against Lebanon and Palestine are not going to help get the Israeli soldiers back, they'll do the opposite.what would help? negotiation? we did that for some dozens times. thousands of terrorists got free for few israelis, and than they continue with terror attacks and tries to kiddnapp more soldiers. it isn't the solution.

Uh-huh. Like the bad guys at the Beirut International Airport? Oops, none over there.

Israel's answer to any problem: A sledgehammer
the airport which used by the terrorists for supplies and reinforcement, and would used to move the kiddnap soldiers to iran? legitimate goal.

Though I rarely refer to it, the fact is that Israel contains within it the largest number of Jews in the world. It strikes me as amazing therefore, given Jewish intellectual achievement, that such a nation can be so fucking stupid.

Maybe its the heat.........

we don't want to kill all the bad guys. just crash their terror organization and don't let them kill us.

I see Israel as a terror organization, they're the ones who started the killing.
Israel is a wrong country in a wrong time and a wrong place anyway.

just crash their terror organization and don't let them kill us.
Are calling the U.S.A here? -- Don't worry, "their terror organization" will keep lobbing rockets at you.

I've got to hand it to the Hezbollah for standing up to the Israeli army. you can't hide behind your huge guns and bulldozers forever.

I see Israel as a terror organization, they're the ones who started the killing.
Israel is a wrong country in a wrong time and a wrong place anyway.


Are calling the U.S.A here? -- Don't worry, "their terror organization" will keep lobbing rockets at you.

I've got to hand it to the Hezbollah for standing up to the Israeli army. you can't hide behind your huge guns and bulldozers forever.
ha ha, "the one who start the killing"? was it when they kill and kidnapp our soldiers? or the terror attacks after we pullout from lebanon and the strip in the first place? or the second intifada they start after refusing to our peace proposal? or all the wars they start before? or the independece war after the british mandate end? or the arab rebilions?
what exactly you know about the middle east?

all your other post is so anti-zionist and biased, I won't even argue about it.

Though I rarely refer to it, the fact is that Israel contains within it the largest number of Jews in the world. It strikes me as amazing therefore, given Jewish intellectual achievement, that such a nation can be so fucking stupid.

Maybe its the heat.........
politics. bring out the bad from everybody.
anyway, you ignore every good thing we do, and you probably never really was in israel, so you really biased.

Uh-huh. Like the bad guys at the Beirut International Airport? Oops, none over there.

Israel's answer to any problem: A sledgehammer

Beirut International Airport was used to bring in those friggin rockets that have been fired into Israel. Ooops.

Though I rarely refer to it, the fact is that Israel contains within it the largest number of Jews in the world. It strikes me as amazing therefore, given Jewish intellectual achievement, that such a nation can be so fucking stupid.

Maybe its the heat.........

I thought US had the largest Jewish Population.

I see Israel as a terror organization, they're the ones who started the killing.

Oh Bullcrap.

Israel is a wrong country in a wrong time and a wrong place anyway.

According to whom?

Are calling the U.S.A here? -- Don't worry, "their terror organization" will keep lobbing rockets at you.

do you realize, that'll just spark a bigger response from Israel....say a ground invasion?

I've got to hand it to the Hezbollah for standing up to the Israeli army. you can't hide behind your huge guns and bulldozers forever.

So you approve of terrorists?

politics. bring out the bad from everybody.
anyway, you ignore every good thing we do, and you probably never really was in israel, so you really biased.

Too hot. I get cheap seats to Egypt & Cyprus (amongst other places - work related) but its too much for me. I'd be sent back in a bucket.


Beirut International Airport was used to bring in those friggin rockets that have been fired into Israel. Ooops..

Great stuff. What kind where they, who did they buy them off, how many and when did they arrive? In your own time......

Great stuff. What kind where they, who did they buy them off, how many and when did they arrive? In your own time......

Rockets from Iran which are flown into Damascus which are then flown into Lebanon and offloaded to be used against Israel.

Because of this, it makes the airport a legit target because by hitting it, you deny the terrorists from using it as well. Its like hitting an enemy airfield to deny its use by your enemy.

If Hezbollah wants a war, they're going to get their share of it and they will not like it one bit.

Rockets from Iran which are flown into Damascus which are then flown into Lebanon and offloaded to be used against Israel.

Because of this, it makes the airport a legit target because by hitting it, you deny the terrorists from using it as well. Its like hitting an enemy airfield to deny its use by your enemy.

If Hezbollah wants a war, they're going to get their share of it and they will not like it one bit.

And who is this according to?

And who is this according to?
Corneliu's Not Necessarily the News Network, of course.

Israel is a wrong country in a wrong time and a wrong place.very well written

If you're talking about the international airport in Lebanon, that's a civilian facility. The Lebanese Air Force doesn't have any fixed-wing aircraft, anyway, so all that does is ruin the civilian infrastructure.

Besides, I can't see flying anything to Hezbollah that close to Israeli airspace. A low-flying chopper, maybe, but those can land anywhere, so it's not Hezbollah that suffers, it's the Lebanese economy that depends on international tourism that suffers.

The Israeli military wants that soldier back? They assemble a special forces team and go into Gaza, try to keep it low-key.

They want to retaliate against a Hezbollah rocket attack? Send in a couple of helicopter gunships and blast their camp to bits.

They know the international community hates them for this kind of excessive action, which is why the UNSC voted 1 nay to 14 ayes not to condemn them.

If you're talking about the international airport in Lebanon, that's a civilian facility. The Lebanese Air Force doesn't have any fixed-wing aircraft, anyway, so all that does is ruin the civilian infrastructure.

Besides, I can't see flying anything to Hezbollah that close to Israeli airspace. A low-flying chopper, maybe, but those can land anywhere, so it's not Hezbollah that suffers, it's the Lebanese economy that depends on international tourism that suffers.

The Israeli military wants that soldier back? They assemble a special forces team and go into Gaza, try to keep it low-key.

They want to retaliate against a Hezbollah rocket attack? Send in a couple of helicopter gunships and blast their camp to bits.

They know the international community hates them for this kind of excessive action, which is why the UNSC voted 1 nay to 14 ayes not to condemn them.
psst. 1 nay against 10 ayes (not 14)

If you're talking about the international airport in Lebanon, that's a civilian facility. The Lebanese Air Force doesn't have any fixed-wing aircraft, anyway, so all that does is ruin the civilian infrastructure.

Besides, I can't see flying anything to Hezbollah that close to Israeli airspace. A low-flying chopper, maybe, but those can land anywhere, so it's not Hezbollah that suffers, it's the Lebanese economy that depends on international tourism that suffers.

The Israeli military wants that soldier back? They assemble a special forces team and go into Gaza, try to keep it low-key.

They want to retaliate against a Hezbollah rocket attack? Send in a couple of helicopter gunships and blast their camp to bits.

They know the international community hates them for this kind of excessive action, which is why the UNSC voted 1 nay to 14 ayes not to condemn them.

Correction! It was 10-1 with 4 abstentions for the Gaza resolution.

Now on to other things. 1) The Airport has been used by hezbollah to bring in rockets to attack Israel with. Under I.L. that makes a legal target.

2) They pulled out of Gaza and Hamas launches an attack from Gaza. Remember that this was AFTER the Gaza pull out. And it was an attack so therefor, Israel went back in. Hamas is to blame for that problem just like Hezbollah is to blame for what is going on now in Lebanon.

They know the international community hates them for this kind of excessive action, which is why the UNSC voted 1 nay to 14 ayes not to condemn them.

Actually, 10 Ayes, 4 Abstains, 1 Nay/Veto.