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I just got a call from a good friend and co-worker who can't come in to work today because her boyfriend and father of her infant son just beat the crap out of her! It's taking all of myself control not to go find this #@%!& and show him what it would be like to get beat down by a woman, but I know that two wrongs don't make a right. I'm fuming.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her? I don't get it. What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists? I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?




:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Do you need a hug? There's not much else I can say, because sadly, I've seen this sort of thing all the time. Not the actual beating, but in dealing with foster kids...

It makes me ill.

Do you need a hug? There's not much else I can say, because sadly, I've seen this sort of thing all the time. Not the actual beating, but in dealing with foster kids...

It makes me ill.

Hey you. A hug would be great, but it's too bad your arms are so short. I don't know. It is irritating me even more so that I can't do anything about it. I don't really know how bad it is or what I could do for her. I'm just stuck here at work feeling helpless.

That's totally retarded. He really needs to go to jail for that.

Maybe he did it for the fun of it all.

If your life sucks then some may feel they have to take it out on someone else.

I just got a call from a good friend and co-worker who can't come in to work today because her boyfriend and father of her infant son just beat the crap out of her! It's taking all of myself control not to go find this #@%!& and show him what it would be like to get beat down by a woman, but I know that two wrongs don't make a right. I'm fuming.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her? I don't get it. What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists? I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?
It's usually either an attempt to control, or the mark of a very weak personality, one that has few or no coping mechanisms. But you're right ... it's never, ever acceptable. I thank God that my daughters found decent men who treat them with respect and love. If one of my sons-in-law ever resorted to hitting one of my daughters, the entire family would be down on they azz.

Maybe he did it for the fun of it all.

Just for shits and giggles? You're so very insightful and helpful.

Any man who thinks it's fun to beat women is pathetic.

You can do something. Call the police. Spousal abuse isn't something that should go unreported. They'll help this guy find the help he needs to resolve his anger issues. If no one says anything, the guy is going to keep doing it. Silence is construed as approval.

I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?



I'm sure your co-worker did NOTHING to deserve so for your/her situation let me just say I'm sorry. I hope she gets away from him.
But that said I think that it is just as wrong for a man to hit a woman as a woman to hit a man. I realise for the most part men are stronger which I guess is why it's worse but if a woman slaps a man he has every right to hit her back it self defense... or at least as much right for a woman to fight back to a guy.
And now my mom is talking and there is too much noise for me to focus so my train of thought just derailed. I try again later.

You can do something. Call the police. Spousal abuse isn't something that should go unreported. They'll help this guy find the help he needs to resolve his anger issues. If no one says anything, the guy is going to keep doing it. Silence is construed as approval.

Possibly help for his anger. He may simply be one of those pure assholes where prison is where they should go. Can't hurt the woman if behind bars.

It's usually either an attempt to control, or the mark of a very weak personality, one that has few or no coping mechanisms. But you're right ... it's never, ever acceptable. I thank God that my daughters found decent men who treat them with respect and love. If one of my sons-in-law ever resorted to hitting one of my daughters, the entire family would be down on they azz.

Eut! :D

I know. My family is the same way.

You can do something. Call the police. Spousal abuse isn't something that should go unreported. They'll help this guy find the help he needs to resolve his anger issues. If no one says anything, the guy is going to keep doing it. Silence is construed as approval.

When I got off the phone with here, she was saying that the police were at her door. I got the impression that he was long gone, but I hope they find him and lock him up. I also hope that she has the sense to get out of that situation.

When I got off the phone with here, she was saying that the police were at her door. I got the impression that he was long gone, but I hope they find him and lock him up. I also hope that she has the sense to get out of that situation.

Would it be possible for her to stay with a friend?

Would it be possible for her to stay with a friend?

She knows she can come stay with me, but she said she was going to her mother's for now. I just really hope she doesn't go back to him after this.

You know what Im outraged at?

the fact that men always take the blame, but abuse against men can happen, and does

You know what Im outraged at?

the fact that men always take the blame, but abuse against men can happen, and does

You know what I'm outraged at?

Pointless thread hijacking. :rolleyes:

You know what Im outraged at?

the fact that men always take the blame, but abuse against men can happen, and does


And men can report it as well. Women can be thrown in jail for hitting men, too.

It just seems to me that more often than not, men are physically stronger than women and can do a lot more damage than a woman can. It's still not right either way.

Next time, shoot the bastard. Not only will this solve the problem, but it also improves the gene pool.

Guys: If beating your woman make you feel like a man, then you are not.

Sorry to hear about the situation, and if you ever need a shotgun, you can borrow mine.

You know what I'm outraged at?

Pointless thread hijacking. :rolleyes:
You know what I'm outraged at?

the fact that some people cannot connect one post to another

my post was about men being beaten by women, the OP's post was that of a woman being beaten by a man.

conectors- beating, men, women, wrong

You know what I'm outraged at?

the fact that some people cannot connect one post to another

my post was about men being beaten by women, the OP's post was that of a woman being beaten by a man.

conectors- beating, men, women, wrong

Yea, but men don't want to admit that they were beaten by a woman, I know I wouldn't.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her?

When is it ever OK to hit anyone?

Never.

This guy may deserve physical retribution, but that would be stooping to his level.

The criminal justice system should be able to deal with him quite handily.

When is it ever OK to hit anyone?

Self defense?

Other than that, yea, it's never ok.

Yea, but men don't want to admit that they were beaten by a woman, I know I wouldn't.
I suspect I wouldn't either. Any woman who can kick my ass deserves to be able to try it again. :D

When is it ever OK to hit anyone? Never.
Wrong-o, sport-o!

Man beating woman ... kick the shit of out him.

Man beating child ... kick the shit out of him.

Pedophile molesting child ... kill the son-of-a-bitch.

Someone with a gun trying to rob a store or an individual ... shoot the SOB.

Sorry, but I think some things are just beyond the pale. It's one of the reasons I have a concealed carry permit.

Wrong-o, sport-o!

Man beating woman ... kick the shit of out him.

Man beating child ... kick the shit out of him.

Pedophile molesting child ... kill the son-of-a-bitch.

Yes, because that wouldn't be stooping to their level.

Best to show you are the better person by not violently reacting and letting the criminal justice system deal with them. It's there for a reason.

Someone with a gun trying to rob a store or an individual ... shoot the SOB.

You see, that's a different situation. Sometimes the only way you can stop it is to make them unable to do it. Most times the best way is to send them to rot in prison like the dogs they are.

Sorry, but I think some things are just beyond the pale. It's one of the reasons I have a concealed carry permit.

A man beating his wife deserves to be shot? No.

A man beating anyone deserves prison for a lengthy sentence? Yes.

This guy may deserve physical retribution, but that would be stooping to his level.

I disagree. It's one of the flaws of the liberal mindset (which I am very much a part of). Violent members of the society disregard the liberal norms, because the retaliation for their wrong doing is either inexistant (oh, what can I do about it...) or neglectable (slap on the fingers by the police...). I say, gang up on him and beat the shit out of him. We did it before with a guy who reacted neither to intellectual reminders nor police. It took a couple of times, but eventually did the job. A man who beats a woman is often not really on the highest intellectual level. The only language he understand is that of power and force (i.e.: I am stronger than you and if you don't stop hitting your girl, I'll beat the crap out of you.)

She needs to report this guy to the police. What you described is assault and battery. That's a criminal offense (a felony, no less). Try to convince her. Remind her that, while she was victimized by this, she is not a victim! Remind her that she is strong enough that she can stand up to this guy and tell the police. Give her the confidence she needs, and she can do anything. Even if she won't call the police, at least try to ensure that she breaks it off with this guy, changes the locks, and won't receive his phone calls. Keeping away from him, will keep her away from the temptation to go back with him. Violence is terribly bad for the mind of a child (it enters the subconsious too and wreaks havock on them for decades). If nothing else, it sounds like it would help her. It would probably be a good idea to get on the phone with her right now and convince her that this guy is junk and to stay strong so she can stand up to him and never see him again. I know people in abusive relationships, and I've seen what it did to their son (who used to be the happiest, sweetest little kid in the world). It destroyed him. The last time I saw him, he was irritable, angry, incredibly distrusting, and terrified of almost anything. He used to be the bravest kid I'd ever met. He is one of my favorite people, and it kills me what it's done to him. Whatever it takes, you have to help her out with this. If need be, call the police yourself. Don't let it keep happening.

Yes, because that wouldn't be stooping to their level.

Best to show you are the better person by not violently reacting and letting the criminal justice system deal with them. It's there for a reason.

You see, that's a different situation. Sometimes the only way you can stop it is to make them unable to do it. Most times the best way is to send them to rot in prison like the dogs they are.

A man beating his wife deserves to be shot? No.

A man beating anyone deserves prison for a lengthy sentence? Yes.
Mostly PC brain-washing. :rolleyes:

Perhaps it will clarify things for you if you think: "Person in danger of immediate bodily harm or death, but not from a deadly weapon? Stomp they azz." "Person in danger of immediate bodily harm or death from a deadly weapon? Shoot first, ask questions later."

The legal guidelines are quite similar in most states, plus the admonintion to "use no more than the degree of force to subdue your opponent."

I never said a man beating his wife deserves to be shot. He deserves to have someone his own size and strength beat him down until he stops it.

So the best way to punish beating the shit out of someone is to beat the shit out of someone?

Does this mean someone can beat the shit out of you? After all, you're guilty of exactly the same crime as the person you beat up.

There is a criminal justice system for a reason. Vigilante justice has no place in a modern society.

This guy may deserve physical retribution, but that would be stooping to his level.

I disagree. It's one of the flaws of the liberal mindset (which I am very much a part of). Violent members of the society disregard the liberal norms, because the retaliation for their wrong doing is either inexistant (oh, what can I do about it...) or neglectable (slap on the fingers by the police...). I say, gang up on him and beat the shit out of him. We did it before with a guy who reacted neither to intellectual reminders nor police. It took a couple of times, but eventually did the job. A man who beats a woman is often not really on the highest intellectual level. The only language he understand is that of power and force (i.e.: I am stronger than you and if you don't stop hitting your girl, I'll beat the crap out of you.)

Attack of the vigilante liberal mob?

Twice?

On one guy?

*raises eyebrow*

Sorry to hear about the situation, and if you ever need a shotgun, you can borrow mine.

Heh. Thanks for the offer, but I already have one. As well as two machetes, more knives than I can bother to count, a butcher knife, a pellet gun... access to crossbows and another arsenal that I won't even begin to describe, except to mention that it took four people loaded like guerillas three trips to to the vehicle when we were trying to prevent my father from disposing of a certain matter.

The problem is not having it, rather trying to forget that I have it.

So the best way to punish beating the shit out of someone is to beat the shit out of someone?

Does this mean someone can beat the shit out of you? After all, you're guilty of exactly the same crime as the person you beat up.

There is a criminal justice system for a reason. Vigilante justice has no place in a modern society.
Riiiight. More PCBS. If you check the stats on states that have concealed carry laws, you'll discover that violent crime takes a nose-dive shortly after they're passed. Why? Because criminals realize that civilians aren't held to the same standards as police.

As to "the best way to punish beating the shit out of someone is to beat the shit out of someone," the idea is to make them stop. Did you read where I talked about "necessary force?" First you tell him to stop, then you kick his ass if he doesn't, until he DOES stop.

And this same principle can be extended to international relations: when asking "pretty please" doesn't make a nation stop terrorizing their neighbors, you kick their ass until they DO stop.

Simple, but highly effective. :)

Mostly PC brain-washing. :rolleyes:

No, it's support for the criminal justice system that exists for a reason. I'm not a "PC" person. I just believe in the values of justice.

The legal guidelines are quite similar in most states, plus the admonintion to "use no more than the degree of force to subdue your opponent."

I don't give a fuck about your states. The US is a deeply flawed society, so I won't be getting lessons from you. I thought you would have noticed by now that I'm not from your corrupt, decadent, country.

I never said a man beating his wife deserves to be shot. He deserves to have someone his own size and strength beat him down until he stops it.

And I say doing so makes you no better than him.

Riiiight. More PCBS. If you check the stats on states that have concealed carry laws, you'll discover that violent crime takes a nose-dive shortly after they're passed. Why? Because criminals realize that civilians aren't held to the same standards as police.

Again, I don't give a fuck what your states do. I live in a civilised society that goes, mostly, by the rule of law, and the principles of justice and a fair court system. And we have the lowest crime rate in the world. Funny that.

I wasn't aware that believing in justice, fairness, and taking the high ground was PCBS.

Maybe for uncooth fools such as yourself.

As to "the best way to punish beating the shit out of someone is to beat the shit out of someone," the idea is to make them stop. Did you read where I talked about "necessary force?" First you tell him to stop, then you kick his ass if he doesn't, until he DOES stop.

Because using violence is a great way to teach someone that violence is wrong. Great logic, Einstein.

And this same principle can be extended to international relations: when asking "pretty please" doesn't make a nation stop terrorizing their neighbors, you kick their ass until they DO stop.

International relations has nothing to do with putting a wife-beater in prison.

Heh. Thanks for the offer, but I already have one. As well as two machetes, more knives than I can bother to count, a butcher knife, a pellet gun... access to crossbows and another arsenal that I won't even begin to describe, except to mention that it took four people loaded like guerillas three trips to to the vehicle when we were trying to prevent my father from disposing of a certain matter.

The problem is not having it, rather trying to forget that I have it.
LOL! Kewl!

I have my own lil "arsenal," but nothing even close to the one you describe. When the ballon goes up, I'm moving to your place! :D

LOL! Kewl!

I have my own lil "arsenal," but nothing even close to the one you describe. When the ballon goes up, I'm moving to your place! :D

You're more than welcome. Let's just say my dad was a "collector" of sorts.

Again, I don't give a fuck what your states do. I live in a civilised society that goes, mostly, by the rule of law, and the principles of justice and a fair court system. And we have the lowest crime rate in the world. Funny that.

I wasn't aware that believing in justice, fairness, and taking the high ground was PCBS.

Maybe for uncooth fools such as yourself.

Because using violence is a great way to teach someone that violence is wrong. Great logic, Einstein.

International relations has nothing to do with putting a wife-beater in prison.
Thanks for the flames, doood. :rolleyes:

Frankly, I neither give a shit about "teaching someone that violence is wrong," nor what you think about me. Nor do I give a shit about "taking the high ground." When a weaker person is in danger of immediate bodily harm from someone stronger, and I have the means to make the stronger stop, I will make them stop ... period.

You wanna "rehabilitate" violent criminals, be my guest ... you're certainly welcome to try. Just don't expect me to stand idly by while someone with greater strength beats the shit out of someone weaker. Kapisch?

Again, I don't give a fuck what your states do. I live in a civilised society that goes, mostly, by the rule of law, and the principles of justice and a fair court system. And we have the lowest crime rate in the world. Funny that.



IRA all dead now then?

Thanks for the flames, doood. :rolleyes:

Frankly, I neither give a shit about "teaching someone that violence is wrong," nor what you think about me. Nor do I give a shit about "taking the high ground." When a weaker person is in danger of immediate bodily harm from someone stronger, and I have the means to make the stronger stop, I will make them stop ... period.

And the best way to make them stop doing it is to have them arrested, put on trial, and thrown in jail, where they can't have the opportunity to carry on.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you about stopping them. But just with a different method. If someone is known to have beat any other person, for any reason, they should be thrown in jail. Simple as. Beating them won't solve the problem, it only perpetuates a circle of violence.

You wanna "rehabilitate" violent criminals, be my guest ... you're certainly welcome to try. Just don't expect me to stand idly by while someone with greater strength beats the shit out of someone weaker. Kapisch?

Where did I say anything about rehabilitating? Stop putting words in my mouth, old fool.

IRA all dead now then?

I would doubt it, why?

I would doubt it, why?

Well Belfast hasnt always been the gem in the World's Crown of law abiding non violent ways of solving problems has it?

Well Belfast hasnt always been the gem in the World's Crown of law abiding non violent ways of solving problems has it?

Well, it's doing just fine now, thanks, with the world's lowest crime rate.

Germany hasn't always been the gem in the World's Crown of racial tolerance, but it's doing just fine now.

The past doesn't really count in those regards.

Well, it's doing just fine now, thanks, with the world's lowest crime rate.

Germany hasn't always been the gem in the World's Crown of racial tolerance, but it's doing just fine now.

The past doesn't really count in those regards.


It isnt exactly the same distant past as in Germany though is it?

And the best way to make them stop doing it is to have them arrested, put on trial, and thrown in jail, where they can't have the opportunity to carry on.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you about stopping them. But just with a different method. If someone is known to have beat any other person, for any reason, they should be thrown in jail. Simple as. Beating them won't solve the problem, it only perpetuates a circle of violence.

Unfortunately a big problem with that concept is that sooner or later the offender will get out of jail. Usually the time served is not that long. Also, as has been known to happen, the first thing the offender might do is hunt down his wife or partner and kill her. I don't think that jail time actually solves the problem or stops it from happening again.

Someone with a gun trying to rob a store or an individual ... shoot the SOB.


I don't think that material goods are a reason to end a persons life whether you were trying to protect them or trying to steal them.

To the OP: Send my sympathies to your friend. If the man is any use at all bringing up the kid, she might consider trying to rehabilitate him (relationship counselling, anger management) ... but "OMG I'm so sorry, I don't know what got into me" doesn't cut it.

Get rid of him before he starts beating the kid. Don't talk to him, don't let him back in the house. My 2c.

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?

Obviously, he is not a man but a pure asshole. :mad:

It isnt exactly the same distant past as in Germany though is it?

No, but it's long enough ago that the new generation of people coming through generally won't tolerate it. And, in turn, older generations have followed suit.

We now regularly have the incredible spectacle of Sinn Fein/IRA calling for people to hand themselves over to the criminal justice system. That wouldn't have happened 5 or 10 years ago. But things have changed drastically, more than you could imagine unless you'd seen it with your own eyes.

We've gone from the depths of the troubles to one of the world's lowest crime rates in 20 years, for example.

Unfortunately a big problem with that concept is that sooner or later the offender will get out of jail. Usually the time served is not that long. Also, as has been known to happen, the first thing the offender might do is hunt down his wife or partner and kill her. I don't think that jail time actually solves the problem or stops it from happening again.

That's why they should be put away for long enough that they are physically incapable of doing it again. And forcibly moved far away when they are released. Just my opinions.

That's why they should be put away for long enough that they are physically incapable of doing it again. And forcibly moved far away when they are released. Just my opinions.


Keeping them imprisoned for long periods of time just costs too much money, don't you know? We've got better things to spend our tax dollars on, like um... I'll get back to you on that. Plus, I think that moving them out of reach violates the criminal's personal rights or something.

No, but it's long enough ago that the new generation of people coming through generally won't tolerate it. And, in turn, older generations have followed suit.

We now regularly have the incredible spectacle of Sinn Fein/IRA calling for people to hand themselves over to the criminal justice system. That wouldn't have happened 5 or 10 years ago. But things have changed drastically, more than you could imagine unless you'd seen it with your own eyes.

We've gone from the depths of the troubles to one of the world's lowest crime rates in 20 years, for example.

The thing is though that unlike Germany's Nazis the IRA still exists and are not only tolerated they are even applauded by you. Most of the rest of your views on the issues of wife beaters I agree with, we will have to disagree on how self righteous you ought to be about Northern Ireland's safety and committment to non-violence and rule of law.

Keeping them imprisoned for long periods of time just costs too much money, don't you know? We've got better things to spend our tax dollars on, like um... I'll get back to you on that. Plus, I think that moving them out of reach violates the criminal's personal rights or something.

Screw their personal rights. When they truly threaten others, posing an actual believable threat, their rights aren't the top of the list in consideration.

The thing is though that unlike Germany's Nazis the IRA still exists

Barely. They are effectively disbanded. And don't pretend that there aren't neo-nazis in Germany.

and are not only tolerated they are even applauded by you.

Eh? I despise the IRA more than I despise nearly anything else in the world.

Most of the rest of your views on the issues of wife beaters I agree with, we will have to disagree on how self righteous you ought to be about Northern Ireland's safety and committment to non-violence and rule of law.

I feel I can be pretty 'self-righteous'. The Northern Irish justice system finally seems to be working, and very well.

OK we shall continue this. As you wish

Barely. They are effectively disbanded. And don't pretend that there aren't neo-nazis in Germany.

Neo nazis exist in Germany. Himmler for example does not. You still have the old same IRA in place. And Sinn Fein. Weakened yes. Gone no


Eh? I despise the IRA more than I despise nearly anything else in the world.

This sounded like congratulations more than condemnation to me

"We now regularly have the incredible spectacle of Sinn Fein/IRA calling for people to hand themselves over to the criminal justice system"

I feel I can be pretty 'self-righteous'.

Duh

*hands over a base all bat*

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman...

The minute she's decided to take a swing at me, just like I would a man. I don't give a shit what's between your legs when you're about to attack me.

What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists? I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

Insecurity, or self-defense. Self-defence is acceptable, but to proove you're bigger and tougher, that's for little kids, movie bad guys and animals, not civilized people.

Neo nazis exist in Germany. Himmler for example does not. You still have the old same IRA in place. And Sinn Fein. Weakened yes. Gone no

True, but they now use completely different tactics. I don't trust them much, but just because they used to favour armed action doesn't mean it's not entirely possible that they've abandoned that idea. People's opinions and methods change.

This sounded like congratulations more than condemnation to me

"We now regularly have the incredible spectacle of Sinn Fein/IRA calling for people to hand themselves over to the criminal justice system"

I don't see how that could be seen as congratulations. "Incredible" was used to describe how unlikely it would have been even a few years ago...using the true sense of it being in-credible, not incredible meaning good.

When is it ever OK to hit anyone?

Never.

I whole-heartedly concur.

Screw their personal rights. When they truly threaten others, posing an actual believable threat, their rights aren't the top of the list in consideration.


Be careful. Implying that criminals' personal rights don't matter is very close approving any action taken against them, even by vigilantes.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her?
it's never okay to hit anyone, not even your kids. ;)



What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists?
he believes his anger and violence are justified by her actions, he is sick in the head.

I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?
my mom always said "if you are going to hit your man, expect to get hit back" it's not a fair double standard that women can physically abuse men and they aren't supposed to do anything about it.

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?
lack of self control and not being responsible for his own feelings.


Sorry about your friend, but she needs to get out of the situation ASAP, this will get worse and her kid doesn't need to be around it (even if she doesn't like herself enough to leave, she has to do it for the kid)

Be careful. Implying that criminals' personal rights don't matter is very close approving any action taken against them, even by vigilantes.

Well, some personal rights anyway. Not all, and only when they pose a clear physical threat to another person. Then their rights of freedom of association etc. don't matter.

Well, some personal rights anyway. Not all, and only when they pose a clear physical threat to another person. Then their rights of freedom of association etc. don't matter.

Yep. There is a HUGE difference between someone who has beaten someone else and hasnt been caught yet and someone currently beating another person or is about to do so.

I just got a call from a good friend and co-worker who can't come in to work today because her boyfriend and father of her infant son just beat the crap out of her! It's taking all of myself control not to go find this #@%!& and show him what it would be like to get beat down by a woman, but I know that two wrongs don't make a right. I'm fuming.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her? I don't get it. What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists? I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?




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If you were to shoot him and kill him I would testify that you and I were at Louie's Pizza Shop on E. Treemont Ave at the time of the incident.

If you were to shoot him and kill him I would testify that you and I were at Louie's Pizza Shop on E. Treemont Ave at the time of the incident.

I like you. :D

Truth be told, I'd be less likely to shoot him and more likely to castrate him. Although, to be even more honest, my most realistic course of action would be to keep her away from him -probably at my place. If he tried to come near her again, I would let him come into my home, then shoot him in self-defense.

I just got a call from a good friend and co-worker who can't come in to work today because her boyfriend and father of her infant son just beat the crap out of her! It's taking all of myself control not to go find this #@%!& and show him what it would be like to get beat down by a woman, but I know that two wrongs don't make a right. I'm fuming.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her? I don't get it. What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists? I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?




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Sometimes two wrongs make a right. Whereabouts did this happen?

Though many people would think that I think women can't fight (which I don't), I will never hit a woman no matter what she does to me. Unless it was my sister, and only then its just a playful punch on her arm since she's my sister.

But otherwise, no matter what a woman says or does to me (assuming it will leave me in a living condition - physically), I will not hit her. I might go on a rampage and destroy everything around her, but not her.

Wrong-o, sport-o!

Man beating woman ... kick the shit of out him.

Man beating child ... kick the shit out of him.

Pedophile molesting child ... kill the son-of-a-bitch.

Someone with a gun trying to rob a store or an individual ... shoot the SOB.

Sorry, but I think some things are just beyond the pale. It's one of the reasons I have a concealed carry permit.

More importantly, an otherwise decent person acting like an asshole can learn a very important lesson in manners by a swift righteous beating that mere jail time and court appearances can't teach.

its never acceptable to hit or threaten to hit your partner.

if things escalate to where you're gritting your teeth and clenching fists, its time to get out of the house, get some fresh air and cool off. When it gets to taht stage, you're an inch away from loosing self control, so you have to get away and clear your head. As soon as you put your hands on someone, you've lost control, trust, respect, etc-for each other and yourself.

Its a disgrace you'll have to live with, even if you arent charged or punished for it.

Sometimes two wrongs make a right. Whereabouts did this happen?


See my location?

Unfortunately a big problem with that concept is that sooner or later the offender will get out of jail. Usually the time served is not that long. Also, as has been known to happen, the first thing the offender might do is hunt down his wife or partner and kill her. I don't think that jail time actually solves the problem or stops it from happening again.

Also, one of the biggest problems with the criminal justice system(for certain behaviors) is that it teaches the wrong lesson: It teaches people to avoid getting caught. Obviously, most people figure out that the best way to avoid getting caught again is not to do it again. But that's the wrong lesson, really. The lesson to be learned is that might does not make right. It's amazing how often and quickly the unmighty learn that lesson.

See my location?

That's a bit far. :( Still in Reno, I'm sure there are people who can help in behavioral correction. :)

Man beating woman ... kick the shit of out him.

Man beating child ... kick the shit out of him.
Well, some guys have something wrong with their head. Most of the time, however, it's a husband who is of the mind that they need to dominate their wife physically to keep her from cheating or something... or just have huge anger problems. o.o;
Or, she's hit him first or something. He shouldn't just let her kick the shit out of him and not do anything because he'd be hitting a woman. (A classic example of how sexism works against both genders.) If a woman is seen beating a man, it's accepted in society as some sort of retaliation, and everyone assumes that he did something that deserves being beaten. But if a man beats a woman, he's seen as barbaric and perhaps a tyrant, regardless of the cause or the provocation... In fact, I'm probably going to be seen a bit like that due to this post. But I digress.
The fact is that in most cases, there isn't a good reason and the behaviour is childish. But I wouldn't kill the man, and I wouldn't immediately be biased towards the usual. o.o;

And the best way to make them stop doing it is to have them arrested, put on trial, and thrown in jail, where they can't have the opportunity to carry on.

Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with you about stopping them. But just with a different method. If someone is known to have beat any other person, for any reason, they should be thrown in jail. Simple as. Beating them won't solve the problem, it only perpetuates a circle of violence.
And what happens when it takes the police 1/2 an hour to respond? Hmmm?


Where did I say anything about rehabilitating? Stop putting words in my mouth, old fool.
Look ... I refuse to respond in kind, if for no other reason than I don't want to leave NS just yet. But I strongly urge you to cease and desist with the insults and flames.

And what part of the word "IF" do you not understand???

More importantly, an otherwise decent person acting like an asshole can learn a very important lesson in manners by a swift righteous beating that mere jail time and court appearances can't teach.
Heh! Perhaps so, but the main thing is to limit the damage by making the attack stop, IMHO.

I don't think that material goods are a reason to end a persons life whether you were trying to protect them or trying to steal them.
What part of "gun" don't you understand? Someone crazy enough to pull a gun on a store-clerk is probably also crazy enough to shoot them, or anyone else who gets in the way.

Keeping them imprisoned for long periods of time just costs too much money, don't you know? We've got better things to spend our tax dollars on, like um... I'll get back to you on that. Plus, I think that moving them out of reach violates the criminal's personal rights or something.

Like sex change operations (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fema15jun15,0,1306432.story?coll=la-home-headlines)?

Yeah, so for a crime against the person (beating), you prescribe beating.
For a pedophile "molesting" a child, you prescribe death, with prejudice.
And for crimes against property, death with prejudice.

For whipping out a gun and killing someone without process of law, a big shiny medal?
You ever have to call the police? How long did it take for them to get there? And where did I indicate that "for crimes against property, death with prejudice?" Hmmm? The reason this thread took a "horrible turn" was because of people on here who think the government is going to jump right in there and disarm a gun-waving lunatic. Hate to spoil all your childhood illusions, but bulletts get there faster than cops.

That's a bit far. :( Still in Reno, I'm sure there are people who can help in behavioral correction. :)

And here I thought Reno was very close to the other edge of insanity. :p

Well, have you heard the saying: "The desert has a lot of holes"? It's fairly accurate.

As he happens to be the illegal immigrant referred to in one of my past threads, I am seriously considering reporting him to La Migra. I haven't decided.

Like sex change operations (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fema15jun15,0,1306432.story?coll=la-home-headlines)?

I had been thinking along the lines of securing oil rights, but that will do.

I had been thinking along the lines of securing oil rights, but that will do.

Mine was way better. TG.

Why sicken yourself with infuriation? Unless you can do something about it, don't worry about it. Only she can get herself out of that mess, it's a shame what people will do to other people given the oppurtunity. He's a bully, and he's using her own low-confidence to have someone to raise his own by thrashing her and feeling supirior.

But she is to blame. She chooses that life. And only she can get herself out of it. Wouldn't matter if you did something or not, she'll just find another abusive boyfriend/husband/whatever. Because she's that type of person.

You REALLY want to help her? Help her gain some self-confidence. That'd do her a world of good. If anything, maybe this bad exprience will teach her (eventualy..) not take crap from no-one.

What part of "gun" don't you understand? Someone crazy enough to pull a gun on a store-clerk is probably also crazy enough to shoot them, or anyone else who gets in the way.


Usually the first thing that is in their mind is to get away. I'd be more afraid for my life on the other person's if someone else in the store tried to fight back. They want the money, to get out and not get caught (usually) plus robbery is not a reason to take someones life. Human Life > objects.

And here I thought Reno was very close to the other edge of insanity. :p

Well, have you heard the saying: "The desert has a lot of holes"? It's fairly accurate.

As he happens to be the illegal immigrant referred to in one of my past threads, I am seriously considering reporting him to La Migra. I haven't decided.

Insanity has a big edge. :)

I suppose the queston you have to ask yourself is whether this guy was a decent guy who acted like a dickhead, or if he is an incurable dickhead.

Base your response on that. *nod*

Beating up your partner because you had a rotten day at work, or because they always win the verbal arguments, or just for fun is morally wrong. We do our best to teach children not to solve problems with their fists, but witnessing one instance of an adult doing that and getting their way is enough to undo years of such moral teaching.

EDIT: Congrats to H4ck5, whose excellent post wasn't there when I started writing!

Why sicken yourself with infuriation? Unless you can do something about it, don't worry about it. Only she can get herself out of that mess, it's a shame what people will do to other people given the oppurtunity. He's a bully, and he's using her own low-confidence to have someone to raise his own by thrashing her and feeling supirior.
Because she is my friend and I care. That's what good human beings do, care about others.

But she is to blame. She chooses that life. And only she can get herself out of it. Wouldn't matter if you did something or not, she'll just find another abusive boyfriend/husband/whatever. Because she's that type of person.

If this had happened previously, I would agree to an extent. This is the first time this has happened.

You REALLY want to help her? Help her gain some self-confidence. That'd do her a world of good. If anything, maybe this bad exprience will teach her (eventualy..) not take crap from no-one.

She is actually one of the most confident people I know. This probably didn't help, but hopefully she maintains her strong sense of self to get the f*ck out of there.

Heh! Perhaps so, but the main thing is to limit the damage by making the attack stop, IMHO.

Well, on the short term, of course. A person is entitled to any action necessary to stop an attacker from harming him or her when the attack is occurring.

I'm referring to afterward, to prevent subsequent attacks.

Usually the first thing that is in their mind is to get away. I'd be more afraid for my life on the other person's if someone else in the store tried to fight back. They want the money, to get out and not get caught (usually) plus robbery is not a reason to take someones life. Human Life > objects.
There's a degree of truth there. Human life, even the low-life of a criminal, is indeed of more value than material things. But if someone is waving a gun around and threatening others with it, it's by no means certain that they're just in a hurry to get away. Remember all the stories about robbers putting all the clerks in a store in the back room and killing them? It happens often enough that it should be considered a possibility. Plus, robbers are notoriously jumpy and nervous, and have been known to shoot a clerk who they didn't think was moving fast enough.

Well, on the short term, of course. A person is entitled to any action necessary to stop an attacker from harming him or her when the attack is occurring.

I'm referring to afterward, to prevent subsequent attacks.
Ok.

Ok.

I don't expect anyone to curl up into a ball and wait to call the police. At the very least, a person needs to disable an attacker enough to make an escape.

I, for one, don't do the fetal position very well. ...Unless American Idol comes on tv. ;)

Usually the first thing that is in their mind is to get away. I'd be more afraid for my life on the other person's if someone else in the store tried to fight back. They want the money, to get out and not get caught (usually) plus robbery is not a reason to take someones life. Human Life > objects.
robbery might not be a good reason, but not getting caught might very well be.
human life < objects since there are lots of people chasing the same objects. for the sake of argument.

I don't expect anyone to curl up into a ball and wait to call the police. At the very least, a person needs to disable an attacker enough to make an escape.

I, for one, don't do the fetal position very well. ...Unless American Idol comes on tv. ;)
I only resort to that when I see anything about Paris Hilton. :)

First of all, it is NEVER acceptable for a man to hit a woman! Come on guys, how weak do you have to be to get beaten up by a woman? Having said that, there is nothing wrong with restraining her until she comes to her senses.
And on the subject of the justice system and the rights of criminals, please feel free to make a stop at www.news24.co.za, at least once a day. See what happens to a country when the death penalty is scrapped and murderers sometimes get a presidential pardon after five years. These days you're lucky if a murder even spends eight years in jail. Read all about the baby rapes, the torture and the killings. Approximately 20,000 people are murdered every year in South Africa, and why? Because our 'democratic government' has granted more rights to criminals than to law obeying taxpaying citizens.
A taxpayer gets shot, he/she has to get treatment in the rundown / dingy overcrowded state hospitals. A criminal gets shot, he/she gets the best treatment possible in a state of the art private hospital. The moral of the story? If you need medical care, kill someone. :mad:

What I am trying to say is that might DOES make right. In ANY country and civilization. It is just the differences in the thin veneer of decency and morality that seperates nations.

OK. I just went back and read the entire thread from the OP to here.

I have realized that a lot of my remarks were making the problem worse.
The problem, that is, of threads which gravitate to the same battles of principle, over and over, regardless of where they started or the attempts of well-meaning posters to address the OP.

I'm now culling a lot of my comments (adding NOTHING) in an attempt to stay on-topic. I retract not one word but the "horrible turn" remark, which I retract unreservedly. Others may quote me elsewhere, but I feel most of my stuff didn't belong in this thread.

I'm kind of new here, and make mistakes. :)

EDIT: Eutrusca is offline. Deleting immediately previous post, since he/she kindly didn't take it further.

First of all, it is NEVER acceptable for a man to hit a woman! Come on guys, how weak do you have to be to get beaten up by a woman?

Hey, I resent that. Women can be strong. There are some pretty.... big boned women out there (to put it nicely). And if one of them sat/steped on him. Well, he needs some form of self defense. Other than that it shouldn't be male vs. female. It should be stronger vs. weaker if I woman manages to beat up a man he has every right to defend himself... I was going to say without being insulted by you but he doesn't actually have the right so just.... have some respect.

If you that worried about her, report him to the police

Hey, I resent that. Women can be strong. There are some pretty.... big boned women out there (to put it nicely). And if one of them sat/steped on him. Well, he needs some form of self defense. Other than that it shouldn't be male vs. female. It should be stronger vs. weaker if I woman manages to beat up a man he has every right to defend himself... I was going to say without being insulted by you but he doesn't actually have the right so just.... have some respect.

LMAO!!! :D

I apologize. I guess that elsewhere in the world there may be societies where women are.... big boned. Luckily I've never met any of them in person. I am sure that they are fearsome creatures, with very sharp claws. I think that if you do live in a country where the women are unusually strong, buy a tazer! I know, I would!!! ;)

I just got a call from a good friend and co-worker who can't come in to work today because her boyfriend and father of her infant son just beat the crap out of her! It's taking all of myself control not to go find this #@%!& and show him what it would be like to get beat down by a woman, but I know that two wrongs don't make a right. I'm fuming.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her? I don't get it. What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists? I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?




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That is retarded, beatings aren't cool.

Let's say the girlie gave him lip.
Plenty of scenarios in which violence is unavoidable.
Haven't got a clue what happened, but consider the following scenario:

Girly slags off dude.
Dude slaps off girly.

What comes around goes around.

Let's say the girlie gave him lip.
Plenty of scenarios in which violence is unavoidable.
Haven't got a clue what happened, but consider the following scenario:

Girly slags off dude.
Dude slaps off girly.

What comes around goes around.
That is true, but how much of a beating...

That is true, but how much of a beating...


Can't tell you.

What I can tell you is that I don't consider psychological, verbal and physical aggression to be seperate moral categories.

Just for shits and giggles? You're so very insightful and helpful.

Any man who thinks it's fun to beat women is pathetic.
Absolutely. If you want to beat something up take it out on a punchbag. I know it's probably easier to find the nearest woman, but I think the long term consequences of that can be a bit worse...

Let's say the girlie gave him lip.
Plenty of scenarios in which violence is unavoidable.
Haven't got a clue what happened, but consider the following scenario:

Girly slags off dude.
Dude slaps off girly.

What comes around goes around.
So you're saying that if I call a man a name (because that can really hurt his manly feelings and all) then that justifies him to beat the $*?! out of me? I'm not trying to imply that guys don't have feelings, but the problem is that men and wmen have different ways of dealing with things. Women tend to attack verbally, and men physically, and, well, if you stick a woman and man together and make them fight it just doesn't work. I'm not trying to rate types of abuse, but if the guy permanently injures the woman, isn't that a bit worse than a few insults?

As for 'big-boned' girls. I'm not exactly petite, so people assume I'm strong for a girl. They couldn't be further from the truth. Whereas my little 5'2" sister is somebody you do not want to mess with. If someone attacks you, by all means defend yourself, but if you get the upper hand, restraint, is usually better than beating them to death...

Absolutely. If you want to beat something up take it out on a punchbag. I know it's probably easier to find the nearest woman, but I think the long term consequences of that can be a bit worse...


So you're saying that if I call a man a name (because that can really hurt his manly feelings and all) then that justifies him to beat the $*?! out of me? I'm not trying to imply that guys don't have feelings, but the problem is that men and wmen have different ways of dealing with things. Women tend to attack verbally, and men physically, and, well, if you stick a woman and man together and make them fight it just doesn't work. I'm not trying to rate types of abuse, but if the guy permanently injures the woman, isn't that a bit worse than a few insults?

As for 'big-boned' girls. I'm not exactly petite, so people assume I'm strong for a girl. They couldn't be further from the truth. Whereas my little 5'2" sister is somebody you do not want to mess with. If someone attacks you, by all means defend yourself, but if you get the upper hand, restraint, is usually better than beating them to death...


What I'm saying is that
A] you have no more right to verbally abuse a man than you have the right to physically abuse him
and B] what comes around goes around.

In fact: we might even plead self-defence.

You either have a valid ground to slag him, or he has a vaild ground to slap you, in this hypothetical scenario.



If you verbally attack another person for no good reason, you deserve just as much jailtime as you would have for physically attacking that person for no good reason.

The gender-issues? Nothing but rhetorics.

Just for shits and giggles? You're so very insightful and helpful.

Any man who thinks it's fun to beat women is pathetic.

Oh. So you don't think he's pathetic already?

An Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth that guy should at least get his ass kicked. This whole thing (cause i bet she is still close to the father of her child) could have been avoided if people didn't have sex before marriage(just my opinion).

Any man that hits a woman is a coward and a bastard. That is something you don't do and if I were her I'd sue for assault and battery. If he tries anything, get a restraining order. She needs to use the court system to her advantage to get this resolved and get the bastard of her life.

I just got a call from a good friend and co-worker who can't come in to work today because her boyfriend and father of her infant son just beat the crap out of her! It's taking all of myself control not to go find this #@%!& and show him what it would be like to get beat down by a woman, but I know that two wrongs don't make a right. I'm fuming.

WTF? When is it EVER ok to hit a woman, much less beat her? I don't get it. What makes a guy think that a woman is fair game for his fists? I know some women hit their men, and that's wrong too, but does that make it ok for a man to hit her back?

How in the hell does a man just decide to beat down the mother of his child -or any woman for that matter?

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Because he is pure scum. And the sad things is your friend probably won't leave him( I haven't read the entire thread so mayb she has). Make sure she sees a doctor and try and convince her to get herself and her baby away from this shitbag.

Any man that hits a woman is a coward and a bastard. That is something you don't do and if I were her I'd sue for assault and battery. If he tries anything, get a restraining order. She needs to use the court system to her advantage to get this resolved and get the bastard of her life.

Proof it!

Any man that hits a woman is a coward and a bastard. That is something you don't do and if I were her I'd sue for assault and battery. If he tries anything, get a restraining order. She needs to use the court system to her advantage to get this resolved and get the bastard of her life.
Oh right! I'll just go and inform all the guys I've ever sparred with that they are cowards and bastards, then call the police on them. :rolleyes:

UPDATE:

I got a little clearer story today. :(

Apparently she hit him first, he pushed her down, she hit her head on the table and he kicked her in the side.

She says she's not leaving him because it was her fault. I told her that she needs to not hit him at all then because it is only going to keep getting worse.

I think she was in the wrong for hitting him, but I still think he shouldn't have reacted the way he did. He's a good-sized man and could have easily restrained her. Or he should have called the cops on her dumb ass. She's my friend and I'm still concerned, but she's being an idiot.

UPDATE:

I got a little clearer story today. :(

Apparently she hit him first, he pushed her down, she hit her head on the table and he kicked her in the side.

She says she's not leaving him because it was her fault. I told her that she needs to not hit him at all then because it is only going to keep getting worse.

I think she was in the wrong for hitting him, but I still think he shouldn't have reacted the way he did. He's a good-sized man and could have easily restrained her. Or he should have called the cops on her dumb ass. She's my friend and I'm still concerned, but she's being an idiot.

Just as well you didnt shoot him like you wanted to then.

Just as well you didnt shoot him like you wanted to then.

Ayup. I might go shoot her instead for getting me all worked up. (Not Really)

Ayup. I might go shoot her instead for getting me all worked up. (Not Really)

Carrie!!!!

*pounces

Where've you been, honey? :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Carrie!!!!

*pounces

Where've you been, honey? :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Brigitte!!!!

*dry humps*


*dry humps some more*

I'VE MISSED YOU, LIKE OMIGOSH, SOOOOOOO MUCH! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :D

Brigitte!!!!

*dry humps*


*dry humps some more*

I'VE MISSED YOU, LIKE OMIGOSH, SOOOOOOO MUCH! :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :D

I've seen a couple of posts by you every now and then, but you always seemed to be online when I was sleeping :fluffle:

I missed you too, sugar :fluffle:

*licks

UPDATE:

I got a little clearer story today. :(

Apparently she hit him first, he pushed her down, she hit her head on the table and he kicked her in the side.

She says she's not leaving him because it was her fault. I told her that she needs to not hit him at all then because it is only going to keep getting worse.

I think she was in the wrong for hitting him, but I still think he shouldn't have reacted the way he did. He's a good-sized man and could have easily restrained her. Or he should have called the cops on her dumb ass. She's my friend and I'm still concerned, but she's being an idiot.

I still think he deserves at least groin kick.

I've seen a couple of posts by you every now and then, but you always seemed to be online when I was sleeping :fluffle:

I missed you too, sugar :fluffle:

*licks

I can only be on when I'm at work, generally 2:30-9:00 PT. Even then I still have to work sometimes. I always read your posts and I voted for you as the sexiest woman. Inside and out... speaking of which... ;)

I still think he deserves at least groin kick.

Agreed.

I can only be on when I'm at work, generally 2:30-9:00 PT. Even then I still have to work sometimes. I always read your posts and I voted for you as the sexiest woman. Insside and out... speaking of which... ;)

*lol
I was banned a second time for "cybersex".... so, while I still believe that some mods ought to try it before calling a flirt cybersex, I'm a bit more careful these days
Plenty to catch up on... you can't get onto MSN, though, can you?

*lol
I was banned a second time for "cybersex".... so, while I still believe that some mods ought to try it before calling a flirt cybersex, I'm a bit more careful these days
Plenty to catch up on... you can't get onto MSN, though, can you?

No. :(

But I still have email. If you need my email adress again, I'll TG you with it. I check that daily (minus weekends). Until the week after next when I'm going to Disneyland.

No. :(

But I still have email. If you need my email adress again, I'll TG you with it. I check that daily (minus weekends). Until the week after next when I'm going to Disneyland.

Can you send it in a TG? I don't think I've got it any more.... I'll bring you up to date by mail then. Hey, and I want one back, too. How's the job? Have you got a wedding date? And everything else.
It's getting really late here, though. So I'll write you tomorrow.
No more cybersex, though *sigh And no webcam fun, either...

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First of all, it is NEVER acceptable for a man to hit a woman! Come on guys, how weak do you have to be to get beaten up by a woman?

My girlfriend's little sister is as big as me, has violent blackouts and wrestles, you really think it would be fair for her to be allowed to hit me without me hitting back? Jeez, I'd use a stick. :D

Not that I anticipate ever having to involve myself in violence with her, just saying...

Can you send it in a TG? I don't think I've got it any more.... I'll bring you up to date by mail then. Hey, and I want one back, too. How's the job? Have you got a wedding date? And everything else.
It's getting really late here, though. So I'll write you tomorrow.
No more cybersex, though *sigh And no webcam fun, either...

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

I'll TG it to you and we'll definitely catch up. As far as webcam fun and such goes, I still have the memories. :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

My girlfriend's little sister is as big as me, has violent blackouts and wrestles, you really think it would be fair for her to be allowed to hit me without me hitting back? Jeez, I'd use a stick. :D

Not that I anticipate ever having to involve myself in violence with her, just saying...

THere's no possible way to restrain her or get help from someone else to restrain her? I understand the concept of self defense, but there should be other options available to you as well.

The guy should have stopped earlier. I mean, kicking someone when they;re down? But, she deserved his first retaliation (sp?). She should have known not to hit him it's just as pathetic for a girl to hit her husband as a husband to hit his wife.

THere's no possible way to restrain her or get help from someone else to restrain her? I understand the concept of self defense, but there should be other options available to you as well.

It's a strictly hypothetical situation, but her older brother, who is significantly larger then me can't restrain her, and she outweighs me by 10lbs.

Like any situation where someone is about to cause me harm, I'd verbally warn that I will respond to violence with violence, and then do so, making an effort to end the threat to myself as quickly as possible. Once they stop fighting, I'm not threatened and have no need to keep hitting.

The guy should have stopped earlier. I mean, kicking someone when they;re down? But, she deserved his first retaliation (sp?). She should have known not to hit him it's just as pathetic for a girl to hit her husband as a husband to hit his wife.

I've rough housed with my boyfriend entirely in fun and it's never gone overboard, but I've never hit him out of anger.

Personally I think they should leave each other. Any relationship where a couple resorts to violence will never amount to anything, unless they seek help and successfully resolve their problems. She also has an 8-year old from a previous marriage and an infant who will suffer greatly witnessing them fight like this.