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Hizbullah wants soldiers moved to Iran
By YAAKOV KATZ



Israel has information that Hizbullah guerrillas who captured two Israeli soldiers are trying to transfer them to Iran, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said.

Regev did not disclose the source of his information.

The IDF released the names of the two soldiers on Thursday. According to the IDF Spokesperson, the two reserve are Ehud Goldwasser, 31, from Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, from Kiryat Motzkin.

Hizbullah guerrillas, who are backed by Iran, seized the soldiers Wednesday in a cross-border raid.

OC Northern Command Lt.-Gen. Udi Adam said Thursday evening that the army has hit hundreds of targets in Lebanon since Wednesday night.

Adam added that Israel has not ruled out sending ground forces into Lebanon. He told reporters that even Northern Command had come under Katyusha fire during the day.

"I imagine over time that we will be able to rid ourselves of this threat entirely," he said.

Earlier in the day, IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz confirmed Thursday that the soldiers who had been kidnapped by Hizbullah a day before were still alive.

"We know the soldiers are alive and we hold the Lebanese government completey responsible," he said during a tour of the North.

Israel was not at war with Lebanon but at a "high volume crisis," he added.

He said that a new reality has been created on the northern border that started yesterday with the deaths of eight soldiers.

The focus of the operation in Lebanon would be to restore Israel's deterrent capability against those in Lebanon, referring to Hizbullah, who thought the IDF was irrelevant, he explained.

"The goal is to create a new reality in the north," Halutz told reporters, "Such attacks will not be tolerated."

Halutz said the north was well protected by shelters but he could not guarantee that Israeli civilians would not be harmed during the current campaign in Lebanon.

He also revealed that OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Udi Adam had set up an investigative committee into Wednesday's kidnapping, which would be headed by a major general.



It obvious what they want to do here, move the soldiers to Iran, which will make Israel pissed at iran, and then of course, all hell would most likely break out in the Middle East.

It obvious what they want to do here, move the soldiers to Iran, which will make Israel pissed at iran, and then of course, all hell would most likely break out in the Middle East.
Well that would be the smart thing to do in their position, wouldn't it?

One topic, Two topic, Three topic, Four - Four topics, ah ah ah!

It obvious what they want to do here, move the soldiers to Iran, which will make Israel pissed at iran, and then of course, all hell would most likely break out in the Middle East.
Well yes... that and then Syria gets involved and Israel gets wiped off the map... what's your point?

I was wondering when Iran would be linked in sometime.

I was wondering when Iran would be linked in sometime.
Aye, now let's have North Korea involved somehow for the full roster of "baddies".

Aye, now let's have North Korea involved somehow for the full roster of "baddies".
They could care less about a bunch of rifle-wavin' Allah-praising terr'sts. They'd much rather piss off Japan...

It obvious what they want to do here, move the soldiers to Iran, which will make Israel pissed at iran, and then of course, all hell would most likely break out in the Middle East.Especially considering how many countries are in between Israel and Iran...

Well yes... that and then Syria gets involved and Israel gets wiped off the map... what's your point?
I think you mean syria wipe out. any war they attack us we ended few kilometers from their capitol with open area to move forces.

I think you mean syria wipe out. any war they attack us we ended few kilometers from their capitol with open area to move forces.
Yeah, on the other hand, they've recently (in the last couple of years) rearmed, and when you're fighting on 3 fronts with absolutely no international support (unlike before), you're going to get a kicking.

Yeah, on the other hand, they've recently (in the last couple of years) rearmed, and when you're fighting on 3 fronts with absolutely no international support (unlike before), you're going to get a kicking.
Eh, no. I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I'm pretty sure the IDF would be fine, even on its lonesome.

It always has its ace in hole- nuclear weapons.

Yeah, on the other hand, they've recently (in the last couple of years) rearmed, and when you're fighting on 3 fronts with absolutely no international support (unlike before), you're going to get a kicking.lebanon and syria are the same front.
they can't stand against us even on 3 on 1 scenario

They're 'not at war' with Lebanon. Bullshit. What the hell else wold you call bombing their airport, sending troops across the border and blockading the country? Are they just trying to circumvent the Geneva Convention?

Well that would be the smart thing to do in their position, wouldn't it?
Which would make bombing the Beirut airport the smart thing to do, and to interdict all ship and air traffic out of Lebanon.

It's Hezbollah! HEZBOLLAH! None of this Hizbullah bull shit. HEZOLLAH!

Which would make bombing the Beirut airport the smart thing to do, and to interdict all ship and air traffic out of Lebanon.
The following is written by putting aside all logic and assuming the OP is correct:
No. Road would be the easiest.

Going by air is insane- it would get knocked out of the sky. And its not like at the check in desk.....

"Did you pack your luggage yourself?"
"Emm...."
*muffled noises from bag*
"....yes. Yes we did."

I'm sure destroying the civilian airport is a sound act for you, but not in the rest of the civilised war.

Going by ship to Iran? Riight.

It's Hezbollah! HEZBOLLAH! None of this Hizbullah bull shit. HEZOLLAH!
Hezb'allah I think.

(Party of God)

Well yes... that and then Syria gets involved and Israel gets wiped off the map... what's your point?
How does Israel get wiped off? Theres no one that would like to see Israel pushed into the sea more than I and even dont think Israel will ever be destroyed, too much US support.

Eh, no. I'm going to disagree with you on that.

I'm pretty sure the IDF would be fine, even on its lonesome.
And I disagree entirely with you. The Syrians now have top-end Russian small arms to fight with (AK107s, A7Vs etc.) as well as AT weapons and also the simple numbers and "we can be arsed" factor.
It always has its ace in hole- nuclear weapons.
The first nation to use them in the 21st century will be annihilated. It doesn't matter who the hell it is who uses them.

There will also be enormous levels of anti-Semitism from the working class of the world, which is not a good thing.

Hezb'allah I think.

(Party of God)

I would expect a party of God to have a lot less guns and rockets and a lot more pizza and beer, wouldn't you? :)

I would expect a party of God to have a lot less guns and rockets and a lot more pizza and beer, wouldn't you? :)


Only if they're right and proper Pastafarians. Seeing as they're heathens they're against beer.

just when Iran was out of the screen(for a while).
Then came Syria,just after india,Pakistan,
luckely it was not turkey althought it could have been the tamil tiger,and the phili............etc?
is it the war .the mother of all battle?
Yes it is FEAR!
WELCOME,enjoy your light tubes and enjoy the show?;)

I would expect a party of God to have a lot less guns and rockets and a lot more pizza and beer, wouldn't you? :)
Maybe the odd lightning bolt...or togas....

:eek:

TOGA PARTY!!

-snip-

Its not the hardware, its the training and discipline.

It's Hezbollah! HEZBOLLAH! None of this Hizbullah bull shit. HEZOLLAH!
Which of the two do you mean?

"Hezbollah or "Hezollah"?

I think you'll also find, as with Muslim/Moslem, that it's an accent-based thing, which, due to being written in a different alphabet, is not very easy to write down in any standardised way.

As an example I've used before, it'd be like asking a Saudi Arabian to write the word "Tomato". In the Arabic alphabet, the American and British ways of saying it would be two "different" words, the same applies with Hezbollah/Hizbullah.

Its not the hardware, its the training and discipline.
The Syrian army is not as crap as you might imagine, and its special forces are very competant, although nothing compared to the SAS. They're about as good as, say, the SEALs, I suppose.

The Syrian army is not as crap as you might imagine, and its special forces are very competant, although nothing compared to the SAS. They're about as good as, say, the SEALs, I suppose.

*stifles giggles*
:)

Ok, I'm not going to get into it. Lets hope we never have to have it tested?

Maybe the odd lightning bolt...or togas....

:eek:

TOGA PARTY!!



Its not the hardware, its the training and discipline.

YAY! :D

The Norse God of Thunder wakes up in bed with a terrible hangover from the party the night before. Still groggy, he notices a beautiful woman he doesn't know in bed with him. After an uncomfortable moment, he nudges her awake and says, "I'm Thor." She replies, "You're thore? I can hardly move!"

:D

The Syrian army is not as crap as you might imagine, and its special forces are very competant, although nothing compared to the SAS. They're about as good as, say, the SEALs, I suppose.
Now you're smoking major dope.

The Syrian Army is most definitely crap. About as crap as the Iraqi Army was, or worse.

Buying weapons and uniforms doesn't make people an effective fighting force. They have to practice working together - and they have extremely limited practice time compared to any Western force.

The thing that makes their army extremely vulnerable is the Syrian Air Force.

Apparently, the most chilling thing a Syrian Air Force pilot can hear through his headphones is "cleared for takeoff".

The last time they got into it with Israel, Syria lost 85 planes in one day and Israel lost none.

Once you've lost your airforce and SAM support, any army you have is dead meat - purely targets for air attack.

*stifles giggles*
:)

Ok, I'm not going to get into it. Lets hope we never have to have it tested?
Yeah, I'm all for hoping that it never happens, but it probably will with the way Israel's going.

When even the EU is telling Israel that it's being irresponsible and needs to stop its actions, then it has clearly gone too far.

Well the US is singing Israel's praises per usual. I swear no matter how crazy they act we're behind them all the way.

Well the US is singing Israel's praises per usual. I swear no matter how crazy they act we're behind them all the way.

Well, it's not politically astute to back Palestinians in the US. We see them as inveterate, unrepentant baby killers who love to blow themselves up in crowded markets, kill Olympic athletes, etc.

Not exactly people that the typical US citizen sees as "victims". We usually see the guys with the kaffiyas wrapped around their heads, wearing suicide bombs.

As far as PR campaigns go, the Palestinians have got to fire whoever is doing that work for them. They couldn't do any worse.

Well yes... that and then Syria gets involved and Israel gets wiped off the map... what's your point?
No, if Israle is about to get "wiped off the map" it will take the whole region with it. And rightly so.

Well, it's not politically astute to back Palestinians in the US. We see them as inveterate, unrepentant baby killers who love to blow themselves up in crowded markets, kill Olympic athletes, etc.

Not exactly people that the typical US citizen sees as "victims". We usually see the guys with the kaffiyas wrapped around their heads, wearing suicide bombs.

As far as PR campaigns go, the Palestinians have got to fire whoever is doing that work for them. They couldn't do any worse.

Goodbye, Fox News ;)

As far as PR campaigns go, the Palestinians have got to fire whoever is doing that work for them. They couldn't do any worse.
They can't really sack everyone in the IDF and the whole Israeli government, which is a shame, because they're the ones making the Palestinians look crap by forcing them to have to fight back.

No, if Israle is about to get "wiped off the map" it will take the whole region with it. And rightly so.
Rightly so my arse.

The Syrian army is not as crap as you might imagine, and its special forces are very competant, although nothing compared to the SAS. They're about as good as, say, the SEALs, I suppose.
All Arab armies are crap. They just don't train properly. Hezbollah's militia is actually better than most Arab nation's infantry.

Goodbye, Fox News ;)
Fox News wasn't around when the Palestinians were killing Olympic hostages.

Nor was it around when the PLO was mounting attacks on civilians from Lebanon.

Nor did Rupert Murdoch (as far as we know) order and finance suicide bomb attacks in Israel over the past 10 years.

Oh, oh. You know who gave most of the money for that? Who paid the members of suicide bombers as a reward for blowing themselves up? Good ol' Saddam.

Well, after 9-11, doing suicide bomb attacks on civilians will definitely score negative press for your cause in America.

All Arab armies are crap. They just don't train properly. Hezbollah's militia is actually better than most Arab nation's infantry.

Their militia is the only one that hasn't suffered 40 to 1 casualty rates in urban street fighting against dismounted Israeli infantry.

It's 8 to 1 for them, and that suddenly makes it a lot more costly to fight them (even if you do take their positions).

Well the US is singing Israel's praises per usual. I swear no matter how crazy they act we're behind them all the way.
Yeah, crazy. It's insane to expect your people to be safe from foreign attack within their own borders.

No, if Israle is about to get "wiped off the map" it will take the whole region with it. And rightly so.

I'm okay with that. :)

Yeah, crazy. It's insane to expect your people to be safe from foreign attack within their own borders.

Or in the case of jewish settlements in Gaza, within other people's borders. :)

I'm okay with that. :)

We could get a cruise ship to the Eastern Med, and hold out marshmallows while they finish each other off.

Fox News wasn't around when the Palestinians were killing Olympic hostages.

Nor was it around when the PLO was mounting attacks on civilians from Lebanon.

Nor did Rupert Murdoch (as far as we know) order and finance suicide bomb attacks in Israel over the past 10 years.

Oh, oh. You know who gave most of the money for that? Who paid the members of suicide bombers as a reward for blowing themselves up? Good ol' Saddam.

Well, after 9-11, doing suicide bomb attacks on civilians will definitely score negative press for your cause in America.

Good lord, that was a joke. Hence the ;)

When you're actively trying to goad your neighbors into attacking you lose all right to bitch when they blow things up.

Yeah, crazy. It's insane to expect your people to be safe from foreign attack within their own borders.
Yeah, indeed, the people of Palestine and Lebanon must be gutted.

Or in the case of jewish settlements in Gaza, within other people's borders. :)
There are no Jewish Settlements in Gaza. All this happened after Israel decided to pull out of Palestinian territories. They already pulled out of Gaza, and there was talk of what to do about the West Bank.

When you're actively trying to goad your neighbors into attacking you lose all right to bitch when they blow things up.

Yeah, annexing East Jerusalem, colonisation and fencing off land really pisses people off, too.

There are no Jewish Settlements in Gaza. All this happened after Israel decided to pull out of Palestinian territories. They already pulled out of Gaza, and there was talk of what to do about the West Bank.


OOps. Yes. West Bank. My mistake. *nod*

we still don't know if it is true.;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11355931#post11355931

Yeah, indeed, the people of Palestine and Lebanon must be gutted.
Only if they attack Israel. If they do, then they should not be surprised if they get bombed and invaded.

Only if they attack Israel. If they do, then they should not be surprised if they get bombed and invaded.
Don't be stupid. The actions of a minority in no way reflect on that of the whole populace of a country.

All Arab armies are crap. They just don't train properly. Hezbollah's militia is actually better than most Arab nation's infantry.

The same goes for there “Navies” and Air forces. The Israelis have a very competent military. There Navy out numbers the Arab forces, are better trained and equipped, The Arab air forces do not fly at night because they are not trained to and are not that good and there equipment is not as good as the IDF. The IDF would bomb the Arab air fields and destroy there jets on the ground, thus eliminating any air threat.

we still don't know if it is true
you can flame each other between 1000 corps, you will go back with a tail between your legs.
Your have a problem,you don't want to listen

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11355931#post11355931

Don't be stupid. The actions of a minority in no way reflect on that of the whole populace of a country.

Sorry, it's called "act of war" for a reason.

Sorry, it's called "act of war" for a reason.

So if our right wingers from Idaho should go and bomb a building in Canada the Canucks can invade?

So if our right wingers from Idaho should go and bomb a building in Canada the Canucks can invade?
They certainly could try.

So if our right wingers from Idaho should go and bomb a building in Canada the Canucks can invade?

If the US government, in response to Canadian outrage, laughed at them and told them to fuck off, yes.

That's essentially what the Lebanese government has said about Hezbollah for years - it's not our problem.

Canada would then be well within their rights to kick some ass.

If the US government, in response to Canadian outrage, laughed at them and told them to fuck off, yes.

That's essentially what the Lebanese government has said about Hezbollah for years - it's not our problem.

Canada would then be well within their rights to kick some ass.

You may not of been keeping up the the Lebanese governement changed fairly recently. You cannot hold them at fault for the failings of the previous government which was nothing but a puppet for Syria.

You may not of been keeping up the the Lebanese governement changed fairly recently. You cannot hold them at fault for the failings of the previous government which was nothing but a puppet for Syria.

They're still not doing anything about Hezbollah. Maybe they should invite the UN in to help them with their problem with Hezbollah - then maybe this would never have happened.

Why should they? They're a sovereign country, they will deal with their criminals their own way. We sure as hell wouldn't want the UN nosing around in our country.