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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_lebanon_28;_ylt=AmErpQ5X3azssCJNGd6W8G8UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Apparently Israel has decided the best way to combat the Lebanoese guerillas who captured two Israeli soldiers was to start a military assault on various parts of Lebanons infrastructure.

JERUSALEM -
Israel has hit hundreds of targets in Lebanon as part of its effort to force the release of two soldiers captured by Hezbollah guerrillas, a top Israeli general said Thursday.

Israel intensified its attacks against Lebanon on Thursday, blasting Beirut's airport and two Lebanese army air bases near the Syrian border, and imposing a naval blockade. More than 50 people have died in violence following the capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah militants.

Warplanes punched holes in the runways of Beirut's international airport and two military air bases, attacks that could draw the Lebanese army into the conflict.

Israel has information that Lebanese guerrillas who captured two Israeli soldiers are trying to transfer them to
Iran, the Foreign Ministry spokesman said. Spokesman Mark Regev did not disclose the source of his information.

Speaking to reporters, Maj. Gen. Udi Adam, the chief of Israel's northern command, said Israel was targeting infrastructure in Lebanon that held rockets and other arsenals belong to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah guerrillas launched more than 80 rockets and mortars into Israel on Thursday.

"I imagine over time that we will be able to rid ourselves of this threat entirely," he said.

He also said the army was not ruling out sending ground troops into Lebanon.

Israel's army chief Brig. Gen. Dan Halutz warned that "nothing is safe" in Lebanon and said Beirut itself — particularly Hezbollah offices and residences — would be a target.

Hezbollah fired rockets into northern Israeli towns and said it was using a new missile that appeared to be more advanced than previous models. One Israeli was killed and 12 were injured.

The militant group also said it would rocket the key Israeli port city of Haifa if Israel hit Beirut, a strike that would be the deepest ever into Israel by the guerrillas — some 18 miles.

Two days of Israeli bombings, the heaviest air campaign against its neighbor in 24 years, had killed 47 Lebanese and wounded 103, Health Minister Mohammed Jawad Khalife said. Besides the Israeli civilian, eight Israeli soldiers had also been killed.

Both sides played a high stakes game following the capture of the two soldiers by Hezbollah: Israel sought to end Hezbollah's presence on the border, while the guerrillas insisted on trading the captured soldiers for Arab prisoners.

Trapped between the two sides was Lebanon, which Israel said it held responsible for Hezbollah's actions. The Lebanese government insisted it had no prior knowledge of the Hezbollah raid and did not condone it.

Hezbollah fighters operate with almost total autonomy in southern Lebanon, and the government has no control over their actions. But Lebanon has long resisted international pressure to disarm the group.

The Israeli warnings of more attacks caused panic in Beirut, and many people stayed home from work. Long lines formed at gas stations and supermarkets were packed.

The violence reverberated throughout the region and pushed crude oil prices to a new intraday record of $76.30 a barrel.

Western countries, Russia and the
United Nations called for restraint and demanded the return of the soldiers. The Arab League called an emergency meeting of foreign ministers in Cairo on Saturday. The Lebanese Cabinet urged the
U.N. Security Council to intervene.

The
European Union criticized Israel for using what it called "disproportionate" force in its attacks and EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said he was planning a peace mission.

President Bush pledged to work with Israel, criticizing Hezbollah for thwarting efforts for peace in the Middle East.

"My attitude is this: there are a group of terrorists who want to stop the advance of peace," he said at a news conference in Germany. "The soldiers need to be returned."

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas warned that Israel's Lebanon offensive "is raising our fears of a new regional war" and urged world powers to intervene.

Middle East satellite TV stations focused on the violence, and one station showed a man holding a baby killed in the Israeli bombings.

The eight Israeli soldiers killed so far is the highest death toll for the army in four years. Three soldiers died in the initial Hezbollah raid, and four were killed when their tank struck a land mine Wednesday.

In northern Israel, thousands of civilians spent the night in underground shelters as Hezbollah fired rockets at northern Israel. A 40-year-old Israeli woman was killed and five people were wounded in the rocket attacks, the Israeli army reported.

After hitting roads and bridges in the south all day Wednesday, Israel dramatically expanded its campaign Thursday with their biggest offensive in Lebanon since Israel's 1982 invasion.

Israeli warships imposed a naval blockade of Lebanese ports, and the Israeli military said it could also target the Beirut-to-Damascus highway, the main land link between Lebanon and the outside world.

Military jets attacked runways at the Rayak air base in the eastern Bekaa Valley, police said, and at the Qoleiat air base near the Syrian border in the north. Rayak, four miles west of the Syrian border, is home to the country's main military air base and is military headquarters in eastern Lebanon.

Because Lebanon's army has no operational fixed-wing aircraft and only operates helicopters — which can take off or land anywhere — the attacks appeared to be mostly symbolic.

Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz said his forces would not allow Hezbollah guerrillas to occupy positions along the southern Lebanese border.

"If the government of Lebanon fails to deploy its forces, as is expected of a sovereign government, we shall not allow Hezbollah forces to remain any further on the borders of the state of Israel," Peretz said.

Air force Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel said the campaign was likely Israel's largest ever in Lebanon "if you measure it in number of targets hit in one night, the complexity of the strikes." The last major offensive against Lebanon was in 1996 when about 150 Lebanese civilians were killed.

Travelers to and from Beirut were stranded all over the region and beyond after the airport strike. Among them was Foreign Minister Fawzi Salloukh, who was returning from a visit to Armenia and — like many — was forced to make his way home through
Syria.

Israeli warplanes blasted craters into all three runways at the airport, located by the seaside in the Lebanese capital's Hezbollah-controlled southern suburbs, forcing incoming flights to divert to Cyprus. The main terminal of the $500 million airport remained intact.

The Israeli military said it struck the airport because it is "a central hub for the transfer of weapons and supplies to the Hezbollah terrorist organization."

It was the first time since Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon and occupation of Beirut that the airport was hit by Israel. The Israelis in 1968 sent commandos to Beirut airport, blowing up 13 passenger planes in retaliation for Arab militants firing on an Israeli airliner in Athens.

Details from the violence included:

• An Israeli missile hit Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV studios in southern Beirut, station official Ibrahim Farhat said. One person was hurt; broadcasts continued. An Al-Manar transmission antenna hit near Baalbek stopped transmissions in that area.

• A civic center attached to a Shiite Muslim mosque near the town of Baalbek was hit.

• A Lebanese family of 10 and another family of seven were killed in their homes in the village of Dweir, Lebanese officials said.

• Among the dead Lebanese were a soldier and a Hezbollah fighter.

• Hezbollah fired rockets at the northern Israeli towns of Safed, Nahariya, Kiryat Shmona, and Carmiel, saying it was using a rocket called "Thunder 1" for the first time. The missiles appeared to be more advanced than the inaccurate Katyusha — the standard Hezbollah rocket.

The Israeli army said several rockets had landed more than 12 miles south of the border, showing that Hezbollah has managed to extend its missiles' range.

Yeah, we know Israel targets infrastructure. We saw that in Gaza.

Yeah, we know Israel targets infrastructure. We saw that in Gaza.
Great way to fight guerillas.

I have a pie chart of what will happen.
40% - Lebanon agrees to forcibly disarm militias
50% - Lebanon's military clashes with Israeli forces, possible war
5% - Some one intervenes for Lebanon
5% - Israel agrees to stop assaulting Lebanon

Imagine if the UK had invaded the Republic of Ireland on the flimsy pretext of not doing enough to stop the IRA every time a British soldier was killed or captured in Northern Ireland...

I am firmly of the opinion no one in the Middle East, including Israel should have nuclear weapons. They are like little boys fighting over toys. The level of political and social maturity displayed by the politicians in that misbegotten section of the world have proven to be inadequate to join a civilized society.

I am fed up to my eyeballs with all of them.

Good. If the Lebanese care about their people enough to have the Israelis stop the attacks on infrastructure, then they would come down hard on Hizbullah and help with the release of the soldiers.

Good. If the Lebanese care about their people enough to have the Israelis stop the attacks on infrastructure, then they would come down hard on Hizbullah and help with the release of the soldiers.
Or they could attack Israel. This is an assault on a sovereign nation, not a group like the Palestinians who can be said to not be their own nation on technical problems, over the kidnapping of soldiers by militia forces.

Imagine if the UK had invaded the Republic of Ireland on the flimsy pretext of not doing enough to stop the IRA every time a British soldier was killed or captured in Northern Ireland...
You mean they left?! There are NO British soldiers there?!

You mean they left?! There are NO British soldiers there?!
...eh?

There are no British soldiers in the Rep. of Ireland, if that's what you mean.

think she already has nuclar captiity i red some were oin the news once

Or they could attack Israel. This is an assault on a sovereign nation, not a group like the Palestinians who can be said to not be their own nation on technical problems, over the kidnapping of soldiers by militia forces.

Your kidding right?????? Israel would kick there buts and then who would be next to intervien???? I see WWIII comming.

Or they could attack Israel. This is an assault on a sovereign nation, not a group like the Palestinians who can be said to not be their own nation on technical problems, over the kidnapping of soldiers by militia forces.


Did they ever cease fire from the little war they had in the 80s and 90s? If not, then this just means its a continuation of that war :)

think she already has nuclar captiity i red some were oin the news once

Yeah, but nuking southern Lebanon when it would a)Kill thousands of civilians b)Kill Israeli soldiers, c)Blow fallout all down Israel, if it were a ground burst.

Not a good Idea.

You mean they left?! There are NO British soldiers there?!

Generally we didn't invade a soveriegn country if the IRA kidnapped some of our soldiers.

Yeah, but nuking southern Lebanon when it would a)Kill thousands of civilians b)Kill Israeli soldiers, c)Blow fallout all down Israel, if it were a ground burst.

Not a good Idea.
They would do it just to show they mean business about not even a handful of captured soldiers.

They would do it just to show they mean business about not even a handful of captured soldiers.

Oh you know better than that. Sure the Israelis are a tid bit hawkish(with all the reasons in the world too), but they would not use nuclear weaponary against another nation.

Oh you know better than that. Sure the Israelis are a tid bit hawkish(with all the reasons in the world too), but they would not use nuclear weaponary against another nation.
I would put Israel in a top 5 list of countries most likely to deploy the bomb, just their major enemies are so close it would be like nuking themselves.

HUrray, big war time.

Israel invades palestine and lebanon,
Iran bombs israel
U.S. Invades Iran
Korea decides "why not?" and launces some missiles at the U.S.
U.S. fires back
THE WORLD IS OVER YAY

I would put Israel in a top 5 list of countries most likely to deploy the bomb, just their major enemies are so close it would be like nuking themselves.

As would I.

I would put Israel in a top 5 list of countries most likely to deploy the bomb, just their major enemies are so close it would be like nuking themselves.


That's flaming

I would put Israel in a top 5 list of countries most likely to deploy the bomb, just their major enemies are so close it would be like nuking themselves.


That makes you ignorant then. The only way Israel would do such an action is if said action is first deployed against it.

HUrray, big war time.

Israel invades palestine and lebanon,
Iran bombs israel
U.S. Invades Iran
Korea decides "why not?" and launces some missiles at the U.S.
U.S. fires back
THE WORLD IS OVER YAY
No no
Israel invades Lebanon.
All anti-Israeli terrorist groups step up retaliation.
Israel takes that as a blank cheque to invade Palestinian territory and start pointing at Syria going "you're next."
Iran and Syria declare war on Israel
US declares war on them.
China backs up Iran for oil interests.
North Korea takes advantage of changing Us troop deployment to start bombarding South Korea.
Japan, South Korea, and US declare war on North Korea.
Israel launches the nukes at Iran
Everyone is horrified but the US goes around going "it's ok! they are Israel!!!"
More shit goes down
World ends.
Russia steals all the oil.

hat makes you ignorant then. The only way Israel would do such an action is if said action is first deployed against it.
1) You obviously missed the whole news story where Israel just invaded, blockaded and bombed a sovereign nation getting a dozen of its own troops killed to rescue 2 or 3 troops from a guerilla group.
2) There wouldn't be much Israel left after a nuclear missile attack.

Imagine if the UK had invaded the Republic of Ireland on the flimsy pretext of not doing enough to stop the IRA every time a British soldier was killed or captured in Northern Ireland...

This was pointed out on another thread and I didn't really see it properly addressed - exactly how many British Soldiers were kidnapped by IRA paramilitaries operating out of the Republic of Ireland?

Or they could attack Israel. This is an assault on a sovereign nation, not a group like the Palestinians who can be said to not be their own nation on technical problems, over the kidnapping of soldiers by militia forces.


News flash buddy...Hizballah...which has ministers in parliament and are therfore part of the Lebanese governemnt crossed the international border with Israel, KILLED 8 soldiers, and kidnapped two...love how you leave out those details and only look at Israels response. They commited the first act of war.

News flash buddy...Hizballah...which has ministers in parliament and are therfore part of the Lebanese governemnt crossed the international border with Israel, KILLED 8 soldiers, and kidnapped two...love how you leave out those details and only look at Israels response. They commited the first act of war.


-Stands up and applauds-

That makes you ignorant then. The only way Israel would do such an action is if said action is first deployed against it.

Exactly - if anyone nukes first, it's going to be Iran against Israel, and then an Israeli response.

News flash buddy...Hizballah...which has ministers in parliament and are therfore part of the Lebanese governemnt crossed the international border with Israel, KILLED 8 soldiers, and kidnapped two...love how you leave out those details and only look at Israels response. They commited the first act of war.
I guess you can't differentiate between civilians and soldiers.

This was pointed out on another thread and I didn't really see it properly addressed - exactly how many British Soldiers were kidnapped by IRA paramilitaries operating out of the Republic of Ireland?

a fair number, but they were never used as bargaining tools, just 'interrogated' and shot. Google SAS/Spook man/link with loyalists Robert Nairac

but the point is, Britain never bombed Irish airports and other infrastructure in retalation

a fair number, but they were never used as bargaining tools, just 'interrogated' and shot. Google SAS/Spook man/link with loyalists Robert Nairac

but the point is, Britain never bombed Irish airports and other infrastructure in retalation


The Irish government never condoned any of the IRA terrorist attacks, nor did they provide shelter to the IRA terrorists. Lebanon provides all these things for Hizaballah.

I guess you can't differentiate between civilians and soldiers.


It's war, civilians die. It sucks, but if the war is going to stop, Hizballah is going to have to be disarmed and the soldiers returned. Then and only then will the hostilities stop.

This was pointed out on another thread and I didn't really see it properly addressed - exactly how many British Soldiers were kidnapped by IRA paramilitaries operating out of the Republic of Ireland?

A few, more than two anyway. The British Army, the Prison Service and the Police in Northern Ireland had a number soldiers and officers kidnapped by the IRA, interrogated, and killed. In addition, many British citizens were kidnapped in NI and some were later found dead in the Republic. The UK never attacked the Republic in relatiation.

The Irish government never condoned any of the IRA terrorist attacks, nor did they provide shelter to the IRA terrorists. Lebanon provides all these things for Hizaballah.
Not officially, anyway. And Sinn Fein continually held support in the Republic.

In addition, the "Arms Crisis" of 1970 concerns the actions of several Fianna Fail Cabinet members in the Republic who helped finance the formation of the Provisional IRA.

The Irish government never condoned any of the IRA terrorist attacks, nor did they provide shelter to the IRA terrorists. Lebanon provides all these things for Hizaballah.

the Irish government established and armed the P-IRA and the Brits always accused them of provididg a safe haven south of the border. The IRA were officially based in Dublin and met there.

Its not as bad as analagy as some want it to be.

I guess you can't differentiate between civilians and soldiers.


Either can they...evidently they launched a missile into a group of journalists. Lets not forget they can just allow their rockets to fly into Israel and kill innoncents, and destroy infrastructure, but no one cares. However, when Israel stands up for itself, then they are deemed to be evil and dispicable.

Either can they...evidently they launched a missile into a group of journalists. Lets not forget they can just allow their rockets to fly into Israel and kill innoncents, and destroy infrastructure, but no one cares. However, when Israel stands up for itself, then they are deemed to be evil and dispicable.
Because a terrorist group isn't a country. A guerilla force is not a state military. Shitty rockets are not F-18s (or whatever the Israelis fly) with 500lb bombs.

Because a terrorist group isn't a country. A guerilla force is not a state military. Shitty rockets are not F-18s (or whatever the Israelis fly) with 500lb bombs.


But there are members of Hizbullah in the fucking lebanese government! So, is it really just a rogue terrorist group, or just a toy of the lebanese government? Like someone else stated, either Lebanon takes actions on those scumbags, or they are going to be held responisble for anything Hizbullah does, because they didn't stop them.

But there are members of Hizbullah in the fucking lebanese government! So, is it really just a rogue terrorist group, or just a toy of the lebanese government? Like someone else stated, either Lebanon takes actions on those scumbags, or they are going to be held responisble for anything Hizbullah does, because they didn't stop them.
And more members of Hizbullah will continue to get in the government.

a fair number, but they were never used as bargaining tools, just 'interrogated' and shot. Google SAS/Spook man/link with loyalists Robert Nairac

Just did so - no results...

Did you mean: SAS/Spookman/link with loyalists Robert Nairac


No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.

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but the point is, Britain never bombed Irish airports and other infrastructure in retalation


And the IRA nevered launching the scale of cross-border attacks with sanctions and against UN sanctions a la Hezbollah. (1 (http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=16671&Cr=middle&Cr1=east))

a fair number, but they were never used as bargaining tools, just 'interrogated' and shot. Google SAS/Spook man/link with loyalists Robert Nairac

Ahah, finally figured out what you're on about. Nope, Drumintee, South Armagh is not accross the border in the Republic of Ireland. Next contestant pleae...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_lebanon_28;_ylt=AmErpQ5X3azssCJNGd6W8G8UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Hizbullah just made good on their threats. 2 rockets just hit Haifa, which is one of Israel's most important and beautiful cities...the madness continues.

News flash buddy...Hizballah...which has ministers in parliament and are therfore part of the Lebanese governemnt crossed the international border with Israel, KILLED 8 soldiers, and kidnapped two...love how you leave out those details and only look at Israels response. They commited the first act of war.
The problem as I see it isn't the Israeli reaction - they have a right to reprisal in this situation - the problem is the Israeli overreaction! Bombing the international airport in Beirut, blockading Lebanon's ports and airspace, and the killing of civilians by missiles missing their targets is too much of a response if this is really just about the kidnapped soldiers.

Israel should resond, but I'm questioning if the way they're going about it is the best way. In my opinion, it's not.

Also, Lebanon should take action to stop such attacks as the one by Hezbollah, but it's difficult to say what kind of action that should be. It's not a particularly stable country yet...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060713/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_lebanon_28;_ylt=AmErpQ5X3azssCJNGd6W8G8UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Apparently Israel has decided the best way to combat the Lebanoese guerillas who captured two Israeli soldiers was to start a military assault on various parts of Lebanons infrastructure.

Yeah and bomb buildings indiscriminately without knowing if those soldiers are in them!

Well this is a turn for the worse. Much worse.

Go on Isreal - invade Syria for a three-way battle which you will hopefully lose.

Because whatever happens to Israel now has my full support, simply because they've had a power trip and have gone far too far.

Total blockades and bombing for captured invading soldiers?

That's completely out of order.

…whatever happens to Israel now has my full support, simply because they've had a power trip and have gone far too far.

That's a bit of a risky thing to say… ^ ^

Well this is a turn for the worse. Much worse.

Go on Isreal - invade Syria for a three-way battle which you will hopefully lose.

Because whatever happens to Israel now has my full support, simply because they've had a power trip and have gone far too far.

Total blockades and bombing for captured invading soldiers?

That's completely out of order.


I hope one day you get the most unfortunate pleasure of experiencing life as it is for an Israeli. How they have to worry whether or not if their bus will explode, or if all the surrounding nations will come pounding on the door looking for a fight, or if another Kassam rocket, perhaps laced with chemicals, will land in a crowded mall. The Israelis are not just fighting for soldiers, they are fighting for there freedoms. They are telling the Arabs that if they will not crack down on the terrorists, then Israel will.

I hope one day you get the most unfortunate pleasure of experiencing life as it is for an Israeli. How they have to worry whether or not if their bus will explode, or if all the surrounding nations will come pounding on the door looking for a fight, or if another Kassam rocket, perhaps laced with chemicals, will land in a crowded mall. The Israelis are not just fighting for soldiers, they are fighting for there freedoms. They are telling the Arabs that if they will not crack down on the terrorists, then Israel will.
And you know this how?

I hope one day you get the most unfortunate pleasure of experiencing life as it is for an Israeli. How they have to worry whether or not if their bus will explode, or if all the surrounding nations will come pounding on the door looking for a fight, or if another Kassam rocket, perhaps laced with chemicals, will land in a crowded mall. The Israelis are not just fighting for soldiers, they are fighting for there freedoms. They are telling the Arabs that if they will not crack down on the terrorists, then Israel will.
Or if Israel soldiers will storm your home, or an Israeli jet will bomb your neighborhood or take out your power or water or shoot you for not being Israeli and thus possibly being a terrorist. Oh wait, that is everyone against Israel.

That's a bit of a risky thing to say… ^ ^
It's something that needs to be said, in my opinion. You can only go so far.

Or if Israel soldiers will storm your home, or an Israeli jet will bomb your neighborhood or take out your power or water or shoot you for not being Israeli and thus possibly being a terrorist. Oh wait, that is everyone against Israel.

Well the Israelis wouldn't do that if the Arabs would stop teaching their people, their children, to destroy Israel at all costs.

Well the Israelis wouldn't do that if the Arabs would stop teaching their people, their children, to destroy Israel at all costs.
Yes, I'm sure that 100% of Arabs want to destroy Israel and everything in it...

Maybe if the Israelis stopped conscripting their children and killing the Arabs then it would stop.

But since that's not going to happen, we'll just have to see what happens.

Yes, I'm sure that 100% of Arabs want to destroy Israel and everything in it...

Maybe if the Israelis stopped conscripting their children and killing the Arabs then it would stop.

But since that's not going to happen, we'll just have to see what happens.


If I remember correctly they, the arabs, started this all the way back in 1948 with attacking a newborn, soviergn nation, called Israel. Since then, there has been nonstop attacks from miltant groups and countries alike, on Israelis and Israel's land. They just attack back, in defense. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

I guess you can't differentiate between civilians and soldiers.
I guess it isn't important. attacking israeli soldiers on the israeli area and kidnapp 2 soldiers, is act of war, no matter how you paint it.

I guess it isn't important. attacking israeli soldiers on the israeli area and kidnapp 2 soldiers, is act of war, no matter how you paint it.
If you are already predisposed to support Israel and oppose its enemies no matter the action taken, like you are, I guess so.

If you are already predisposed to support Israel and oppose its enemies no matter the action taken, like you are, I guess so.
see, one side want to kill me and destroy my country. why should I support the terrorist?
anyway, you need to deal with your own claim. what has to be before you admit that israel right?

see, one side want to kill me and destroy my country. why should I support the terrorist?
anyway, you need to deal with your own claim. what has to be before you admit that israel right?
When you admit Israel isn't always right.

When you admit Israel isn't always right.
no country is perfect and accidents and mistake usually take place in wars. only fool wan't admit that.
you only miss the main subject.
we are trying to keep morals and values, and avoid civilians death.
they are terrorists who aim civilians, and use human shields.
I can stand the mistakes of my army as long as they keep me alive. deny you do the same if terrorists will attack your country constantly and will try to destroy you and you country is full bullshit.

If I remember correctly they, the arabs, started this all the way back in 1948 with attacking a newborn, soviergn nation, called Israel. Since then, there has been nonstop attacks from miltant groups and countries alike, on Israelis and Israel's land. They just attack back, in defense. Nothing wrong with that, is there?
1948 is by no means whatsoever the beginning of this conflict. If you're into your Bible crap then it's referenced to even in the Old Testament.

1948 is by no means whatsoever the beginning of this conflict. If you're into your Bible crap then it's referenced to even in the Old Testament.
the arabs or the muslim didn't were exist at he ancient times.
still, it true that it didn't start in 48'. the arab try to attack us even before in their arab rebilions and cooperating with the nazis.

only fool wan't admit that.
And there I leave you.

And there I leave you.
how mature, ignore all the post while you surely didn't understand word of it.

no country is perfect and accidents and mistake usually take place in wars. only fool wan't admit that.
you only miss the main subject.
we are trying to keep morals and values, and avoid civilians death.
they are terrorists who aim civilians, and use human shields.
I can stand the mistakes of my army as long as they keep me alive. deny you do the same if terrorists will attack your country constantly and will try to destroy you and you country is full bullshit.

But the ones who drag people out of their houses and use them as shields are the IDF. The ones who can't seem to stop hitting children under 9 are the IDF. The ones engaged in slow drip ethnic cleansing are the IDF. The ones in illegal occupation are the IDF.

But the ones who drag people out of their houses and use them as shields are the IDF. The ones who can't seem to stop hitting children under 9 are the IDF. The ones engaged in slow drip ethnic cleansing are the IDF. The ones in illegal occupation are the IDF.
don't do the first anymore, never did the second, never did the third and don't do the forth on the concerned area.
find other excuses.

don't do the first anymore, never did the second, never did the third and don't do the forth on the concerned area.
find other excuses.

So what kills those children? The Arab-hitting bullet fly?

So what kills those children? The Arab-hitting bullet fly?
terrorists that use them as human sheild.

the arabs or the muslim didn't were exist at he ancient times.
still, it true that it didn't start in 48'. the arab try to attack us even before in their arab rebilions and cooperating with the nazis.
People have been fighting over that land for thousands of years, whether it's Arabs/Israelis or Persians/Contantinopleans or whatever the main races of the time were.

terrorists that use them as human sheild.
No, the people who fire at the human shield are the killers, I think you'll find.

You can't get away with murder because the person that you killed was in the way of your real target, can you?

People have been fighting over that land for thousands of years, whether it's Arabs/Israelis or Persians/Contantinopleans or whatever the main races of the time were.
because of the strategic value of area that connect 3 major continents.
it still different wars.

terrorists that use them as human sheild.


O yes.

That old saw. So when they're standing in line at the UN school, theres invisible 'terrorists' that only IDF members can see, hiding behind them, and thats why the Israeli occupation is misunderstood. All the thousands of dead since 1967, so a bunch of fanatics can play "Holy Land" in European-styled suburbs with the aid of a Government that should know better, and a superpower with the morals of a crocodile.

terrorists that use them as human sheild.
Or Israeli attacks miss their targets... Like when bombing a powerplant in Lebanon and hitting a house instead.

No, the people who fire at the human shield are the killers, I think you'll find.

You can't get away with murder because the person that you killed was in the way of your real target, can you?
by the law it isn't murder it is killing. big difference.

Those nasty terrorist are using the little children as human shields – how dare they have children in houses in a residential neighborhood where Israel drops bombs on them. :rolleyes:

So what kills those children? The Arab-hitting bullet fly?

Terrorist that set up bomb/rocket factories in homes, schools and other civilian areas, terrorists that use kids as shields, terrorists that use kids a bombs, terrorists that launch rockets from civilian areas, terrorists that hid weapons in schools and other civilian areas.

Or Israeli attacks miss their targets... Like when bombing a powerplant in Lebanon and hitting a house instead.no attack is 100% accurate. we still do our best.

because of the strategic value of area that connect 3 major continents.
it still different wars.
With the same 3 sets of people fighting over them...

no attack is 100% accurate. we still do our best.
Then maybe you should stop trying at all and just give up.

Those nasty terrorist are using the little children as human shields – how dare they have children in houses in a residential neighborhood where Israel drops bombs on them. :rolleyes:
no they launched missles on israel from kindergardens and schools while we target them. it isn't that complex.

no attack is 100% accurate. we still do our best.
"Your" best isn't good enough. Far from it.

That's flaming

Err, no it's not. It's an opinion that you don't like. It certainly is not pleasant, but it is not a direct attack on a poster here.

In my experience Israel has shown little reluctance to react moderately to much of anything. In that regard they are just like their neighbors who also refuse to negotiate, they just pull out the guns and send out the suicide bombers.

The question now after over fifty years as an artificially created state is Israel any better off now than it was in 1948?

Israel constantly claims self-defense in all affairs where it takes military action. Frankly, in most cases I would agree with that...but there are a number of occasions where Israel has crossed the line and made a bad situation worse.

I would not call Hamas nor Hezbollah good neighbors, but their type has been in that neighborhood a long time. The US talks big about democratic and free elections, but are not too tolerant of results that they don't like. The Palestinians voted Hamas into their government, they were not forced into it. For those who fail to remember it, the PLO was voted in with Chairman Arafat.

So, did the US give Hamas any sort of chance to moderate and take the role the Palestinian people wanted them to take? No. Embargoes, sanctions and other decidedly crippling economic actions were taken against the Palestinians by a decidedly myopic world community. By doing this, the US and the world ONCE again destabilized a region that has precious little, if any stability at all.

Once this sort of thing happens, the people in the Middle East are quite predictable. They lash out at the nearest thing that has to do with their tormentors, in this case Israel, the nearest US ally and long time opponent.

The Middle East needs to be a "hands off" region. The only way this thing will ever be settled is if the nations there are left to their own devices to either self-destruct or find a way to tolerate each other. It is sad...perhaps even tragic...but that is the way it is.

If you are already predisposed to support Israel and oppose its enemies no matter the action taken, like you are, I guess so.
HA HA HA HA HA....:rolleyes:

""Your" best isn't good enough. Far from it."---Gravlen

hmmmm, so quick to cast a stone. well, 'their' best is significantly better than 'YOUR' best. if you had a more effective method, you could have shown them. you obviously either do not have a better solution, or you don't care enough to tell anybody else about it. either way shows you certainly have no business complaining

No no
Israel invades Lebanon.
All anti-Israeli terrorist groups step up retaliation.
Israel takes that as a blank cheque to invade Palestinian territory and start pointing at Syria going "you're next."
Iran and Syria declare war on Israel
US declares war on them.
China backs up Iran for oil interests.
North Korea takes advantage of changing Us troop deployment to start bombarding South Korea.
Japan, South Korea, and US declare war on North Korea.
Israel launches the nukes at Iran
Everyone is horrified but the US goes around going "it's ok! they are Israel!!!"
More shit goes down
World ends.
Russia steals all the oil.

Is it wrong that I find this all morbidly amusing?

Is it wrong that I find this all morbidly amusing?

If being amused at the shit hitting the fan is wrong, then I don't want to be right. :)

No no
Israel invades Lebanon.
All anti-Israeli terrorist groups step up retaliation.
Israel takes that as a blank cheque to invade Palestinian territory and start pointing at Syria going "you're next."
Iran and Syria declare war on Israel
US declares war on them.
China backs up Iran for oil interests.
North Korea takes advantage of changing Us troop deployment to start bombarding South Korea.
Japan, South Korea, and US declare war on North Korea.
Israel launches the nukes at Iran
Everyone is horrified but the US goes around going "it's ok! they are Israel!!!"
More shit goes down
World ends.
Russia steals all the oil.Russia wins.

It would seem, so far...that Germany, Denmark, America, Australia, Canada and Saudi Arabia are siding with Israel...and possibly Japan and Greece.
I LOVE Angela Merkel...,"The attacks did not start from the Israeli side, but from Hezbollah's side."

Lets take a look, shall we?
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International reaction
Arab League: The Arab League says they have “fears of widening of tension and possible Israeli strike against Syria,“ “It’s up to the resistance — both the Lebanese and the Palestinian — to decide what they are doing and why are they fighting.”[46]
Australia: Prime Minister John Howard has stated that he is "appalled at the loss of life on both sides". However, he blamed the conflict on Hezbollah's breaches of UN resolutions and international law. [47]
Belgium: Minister of foreign affairs Karel de Gucht said that Israel has the right to defend itself, but has now responded with excessive violence. There has also already been a demonstration in Brussels against Israel's military actions.[48] The VRT television news called the Hezbollah rocket attacks on Israel acts of defense.[49]
Bosnia and Herzegovina: President Sulejman Tihic displayed outrage at a press conference on Thursday evening, condemning the Israeli attacks as "disproportionate", "unjustified", and "outright disgusting", with "the use of explicit force on civilians" and "buildings essential to economic stability" within Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.
Canada: Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said “Israel has the right to defend itself,” as well as “I think Israel's response under the circumstances has been measured.” Regarding resolution to the conflict he has stated “It's essential that Hezbollah and Hamas release their Israeli prisoners and any countries in that area that have influence on these organizations should encourage an end to violence and recognize and encourage the recognition of Israel's right to exist.” [50]
Denmark: The Danish foreign minister Per Stig Møller said that the Lebanese government has to take responsibility to prevent further terror attacks from Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. Israel has also the right to act in self defence, but are also obligated to not exaggerate with the power of the attack. [51]
Egypt: Foreign Minister Aboul Gheit stated "Targeting civilians under the pretext of fighting terrorism is unacceptable and unjustified. Israeli practices violate international law. We condemn any military action that targets civilians. We consider it a terrorist act, regardless of who the civilians are or its source." [52]
European Union: Finland, which holds the European Union's rotating presidency, has issued the follwing statement: "The European Union is greatly concerned about the disproportionate use of force by Israel in Lebanon in response to attacks by Hezbollah on Israel. The presidency deplores the loss of civilian lives and the destruction of civilian infrastructure. The imposition of an air and sea blockade on Lebanon cannot be justified." [53]
France: Foreign minister Philippe Douste-Blazy said the Israeli offensive on Lebanon is a "disproportionate act of war with negative consequences" which could "plunge Lebanon back into the worst years of the war with the flight of thousands of Lebanese who ... were in the process of rebuilding their country.” “I am very concerned about the latest developments on the Israel-Lebanon border… I condemn the rocket strikes this (Wednesday) morning on the town of Qiryat Shemona. I also condemn the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers and I ask for their immediate and unconditional release… I call on all parties to show restraint and not engage in a cycle of violence in which civilian populations would be the first victims.“ [54][55]
Germany: Chancellor Angela Merkel says "We call on the powers in the region to seek to bring about a de-escalation of the situation. We cannot confuse cause and effect. The starting point is the capture of the Israeli soldiers. It is important that the government in Lebanon, which is on a peaceful path, should be strengthened, but it must be made clear that the capture [of the soldiers] cannot be tolerated. The attacks did not start from the Israeli side, but from Hezbollah's side." [52]
Greece: Spokesman Evangelos Antonaros urged Hezbollah to release the captured Israeli soldiers. "Greece expresses its serious concern and is intensely troubled," the spokesman said, "It is vital, to stop the (situation) worsening, Hezbollah must immediately release the soldiers taken hostage," "At the same time, Greece calls on the government of Israel to avoid the use of excessive and pointless force which cannot provide a solution to the problem." [56]
Iran: Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi condemned Israel's response stating, "The Zionist regime is desperate because of the resistance put up by regional Muslim nations and is now resorting to blind tactics against the innocent people of Lebanon with full US backing."[57]Iran also adds that an Israeli attack aganist Syria would be considered an attack aganist the entire Islamic world and it would bring about a "fierce response." [58]
Italy: The Italian foreign minister Massimo D'Alema said "We have the impression that the (Israeli) reaction is out of proportion and dangerous for the consequences it could have, I think that this, apart from some nuances, is the way the whole international community sees the situation." He then added "We are working for moves by the EU and the G8 in the next few hours to stop the spiral of violence" making reference to the G8 meeting planned for the weekend in St Petersburg. He also condemned the Hezbollah assault on Israeli soldiers as "unacceptable" adding that Rome had asked for the release of the soldiers being held hostage. [59]
Japan: Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi urged restraint and stated “I understand the anger of the Israelis, but I hope you will not seek an eye for an eye and keep in mind the importance of peace.” [60]
Jordan: A statement from the Jordanian Government said "Jordan stands against whoever exposes the Palestinian people and their cause, Lebanon and its sovereignty to unexpected dangers. Israel's use of force against unarmed civilians and the outcome in terms of the human loss and destruction of civil institutions." [52]
Norway: The Norwegian foreign minister Jonas Gahr Støre called Israel's reaction "totally unacceptable" and referred to it as "a dangerous escalation," while also condeming Hezbollah's attack on and the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers. [61]
Palestinian territories: The Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas spoke of a possible war in the region.[62]
Russia: Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said “This is a disproportionate response to what has happened and if both sides are going to drive each other into a tight corner then I think that all this will develop in a very dramatic and tragic way” "We firmly reaffirm support for Lebanon's sovereignty and territorial integrity" he told reporters. [63]
Saudi Arabia: A Saudi official quoted by the Saudi Press Agency accused Hezbollah guerrillas - without naming them - of "uncalculated adventures" that precipitated the latest Middle East crisis. "The kingdom sees that it is time for those elements to alone shoulder the full responsibility for this irresponsible behavior and that the burden of ending the crisis falls on them alone."[64]
United Nations: The top UN official in Lebanon said “Hezbollah’s action escalates the already tense situation along the Blue Line and is an act of very dangerous proportions,” in a statement. Kofi Annan referred to the Hezbollah attack as having occurred in southern Lebanon. He also demands Hezbollah free the two captured Israeli soldiers. He also has sent a 3 man party to the Middle East to urge countries to show restraint. [46][19][65]. On July 13 US vetoed Security Council resolution calling for the immediate and unconditional release of the Israeli soldier abducted by Palestinian armed groups from Gaza and for a halt to what it called a “disproportionate” military reaction by Israel. [66]
United States: Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs David Welch condemns what he calls a “dangerous escalation” and calls for the release of the Israeli soldiers.[2] The United States has blamed Syria and Iran for the capture of two Israeli soldiers. “We must hold the governments of Syria and Iran accountable for their continued support to Hezbollah and threaten them with possible agression. So long as these governments are failing to live up to their responsibilities, no one should question the right of the government of Israel to act in self-defense against terrorists operating from Lebanon,” United States Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said that the Lebanese government should uphold its responsibility under a U.N. resolution to make sure its territory isn’t being used for Hezbollah or other groups.[67][18] President George W. Bush says [68] that Israel has the right to defend themselves, “The soldiers need to be returned,” he said. “It’s really sad where people are willing to take innocent life in order to stop that progress (for peace). As a matter of fact, it’s pathetic.” He also said "The democracy of Lebanon is an important part of laying a foundation of peace in that region," and "The concern is that any activities by Israel to protect herself will weaken the (LRE) government."

I hope one day you get the most unfortunate pleasure of experiencing life as it is for an Israeli.You thhink he wants to live in Israel? he is not insane..

You thhink he wants to live in Israel? he is not insane..
I've been to Israel..its not as bad as you would think..unless crazy arabs are firing rockets over the border.

Terrorist that set up bomb/rocket factories in homes, schools and other civilian areas, terrorists that use kids as shields, terrorists that use kids a bombs, terrorists that launch rockets from civilian areas, terrorists that hid weapons in schools and other civilian areas.

Despite the fact they may have been hanging out the washing or in a UN run school at the time.


no they launched missles on israel from kindergardens and schools while we target them. it isn't that complex.

Yep, its as simple as bullshit. All part of the mechanics of ethnic cleansing on a slow drip.