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France...

starts with F and ends with rance.

Now my mocking comment in that one thread to the contrary, I don't have anything against France. They helped us out in the Revolution, we gave them a hand in WW2, it all balances out.

...is a pansy country.
...sucks.
...will die.

This won't end well. Someday we'll look on French bashers the same way we look on racists - closed minded bigots whos grievances are BS and who's jokes aren't funny.

Now my mocking comment in that one thread to the contrary, I don't have anything against France. They helped us out in the Revolution, we gave them a hand in WW2, it all balances out.
hem hem *cough cough WWI cough cough

I just yesterday got back from a weeks travelling and camping in France.

Lovely place, some great people, shame about the seemingly unrivalled level of cultural snobbery.

I think France is awesome. I can't wait to go over there.

hem hem *cough cough WWI cough cough
*cough* Didn't do much in WWI. *cough cough*

My friend loved going there because of all the art and expensive clothes

*cough* Didn't do much in WWI. *cough cough*

You guys really need to take some of that caughing medicine. Everybody is getting sick now.

:headbang: man the world wouldnt be the same without them.

on the bright side Somebody has got to lose all the wars...

well when we got there it was a complete stalemate and both sides were tired of war and we gave the final push...

*cough* Didn't do much in WWI. *cough cough*

*cough*...France would be German territory if it werent for the Americans and the British in WWI...*cough*

in fact in early 1918 German forces moved within 75 miles of Paris close enough to shell it with three long range Krupp guns. American forces arrived and along with fresh Brits and Frogs, helped push the Germans away

France is next to england and is full of French people . I googled it .

*cough*...France would be German territory if it werent for the Americans and the British in WWI...*cough*
*cough* part of France was German territory for a long time *cough*

I absolutely love France. I'm going there for my spring semester to study French in Angers. I used to go to Strasbourg about once a month when I was in the Army in Germany.

*cough cough*
You guys need to learn your history. The US Forces that arrived in early 1918 didn't fight for most of the time they were there. The US commander considered it necessary to train his troops further before they went into action.
When the Germans started their spring offensives, Allied commanders asked the Americans to send troops, which they didn't do in any meaningful scale. The Germans pushed onwards but made strategic and tactical mistakes which caused them to lose too many dudes, particularly well-trained veteran stormtroops which couldn't be replaced. The British and French, as well as their colonial forces, held on bravely until the German offensive ran out of puff.
Only then, when Ludendorff was already telling people that Germany had lost the war, did US Forces begin their own serious operations. Together with the Allies they cleaned up the weakened Germans and pushed them back.
In short, the US effort in WWI was primarily economical and political, not through military. It was the threat of US Forces that did the most, not the forces themselves.
*cough cough*

I'm sure the French are a fine group of people. However their cultural snobberyis a little difficult to overcome. After all the cultrual snobbery is part of the reason they are having so many problems with their minority population. I'm sure it also drives them insane they aren't a super power!

I like France. French is one of my favourite languages. French food is some of my favourite too. The criticisms you people level at an entire nation ("omg France surrendered! Haahahahaahah they suck cause they do.") are utterly, utterly retarded.

*cough* part of France was German territory for a long time *cough*

and alot more than alsace was about to become German territory..whats your point?

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you left out the best option....france....hahahahaha.....lol,or my personal fave

france will fight till the last drop of english blood!

*cough* part of France was German territory for a long time *cough*

*cough* they were both part of the Roman Empire for a long time *cough*

Geeze ... somethin' must be going around ... *hands out lozenges*

*cough*...France would be German territory if it werent for the Canadians, Australians and the British in WWI...*cough*
Fixed.

I'm sure the French are a fine group of people. However their cultural snobberyis a little difficult to overcome. After all the cultrual snobbery is part of the reason they are having so many problems with their minority population. I'm sure it also drives them insane they aren't a super power!

too true!

well said....i like the french..but i like joking about them more i suppose.

p.s. my ex wife is french

and wtf is up with the whole jerry lewis idolatry...has me baffled as all hell.

However their cultural snobberyis a little difficult to overcome.

Oh ... the French have *nothing* on Americans when it comes to cultural snobbery. We (Americans) are some of the most self-righteous, holier-than-thou people on the planet.

This won't end well. Someday we'll look on French bashers the same way we look on racists - closed minded bigots whos grievances are BS and who's jokes aren't funny.

But until that day comes...

France is okay... but just as they said on Simpsons, if you could destroy France or Italy, everyone picks France xp
Nah, France seems like an okay place. Not the coolest place, but certainly a good looking place.

...is a pansy country.
...sucks.
...will die.

At least they are not pansies in football. Unlike a certain other football team they do not fall down faking in agony whenever they are touched.

At least they are not pansies in football. Unlike a certain other football team they do not fall down faking in agony whenever they are touched.


zzzzZZZZING!

Fixed.

Um...are you actually saying that the Canadians, British and Australians stopped the Germans..and that the Americans werent even part of WWI?

Um...are you actually saying that the Canadians, British and Australians stopped the Germans..and that the Americans werent even part of WWI?

We came in late. When it comes to WWI, think of us as the guy who'd been sitting on the bench until the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. We performed admirably, but we certainly didn't win the game.

I hate France, but I like their football team better than Italy's squad of cheating bastards.

France sucks.

Except for Lafeyette, Charles Martel, and pepe le piue

We came in late. When it comes to WWI, think of us as the guy who'd been sitting on the bench until the last 5 minutes of the 4th quarter. We performed admirably, but we certainly didn't win the game.

Thats not what I was arguing..I was talking about the Americans in the war. And he took out Americans (left them out) and put in the other nations.

France has headbutting issues. I swear everyone in France bumps their head on the wall every time they get up in the morning and before they go to bed at night. I see em, I do.

At least they are not pansies in football. Unlike a certain other football team they do not fall down faking in agony whenever they are touched.
Are you talking about "Football" Football or Soccer Football? If your talking about soccer then almost nobody in America cares (except you few soccer fans over here of course.)

Are you talking about "Football" Football or Soccer Football? If your talking about soccer then almost nobody in America cares (except you few soccer fans over here of course.)

You hit the nail on the head, no one really cares about soccer here....besides we kicked frances ass enough in "Tour De Lance". Suck it down...:mp5:

I find myself in a constant sense of amazement at just how self-centered the French government is, but that is Realpolitik and not unusual.

However, I find myself totally dumbstruck at just how idiotic we Americans are when the French are discussed. Just like our country they have made good decisions and bad ones, there are good people and bad people in France. I personally think M. le President Chirac is a twit, but no worse of an idiot than Blair or Bush. If France is very fortunate they will not allow Dominique de Villepin to succeed him. The French Conservatives have made a hash of France and de Villepin is a big reason why.

I say to my French friends, bon chance. They will need nearly as much luck as the US does in the next national election.

This is a seriously stupid poll.

You put up ten options, and that's all the diversity of opinion you can represent?
Not to mention splitting both positive and negative views into redundant options.
Only two options, the headbutting one and the "I live there, you idiot" one are in any way specific.

Here's where you point out that the poll was a joke.
Someone post the same poll, with "the US" where it says "France," and we'll see just how funny it is.
I didn't vote. The poll is retarded and flamebait.

They make me happy with croissants. :)

france is good whats with alll you stupid francee bashers?? I mean, youve prolly never been there anyway. Just cause they choose to stay out of america's wars does notbean they are pansies. They are NOT pansies.

France.
Owns.

france is good whats with alll you stupid francee bashers?? I mean, youve prolly never been there anyway. Just cause they choose to stay out of america's wars does notbean they are pansies. They are NOT pansies.

Agreed on every count. People hate France just because it's "cool" to do so.

I was just reading about the Foreign Legion the other day, and apparently in their first month they do a 50km ruck march, and a 160km before they graduate basic. The very idea of a 160km ruck march makes me want to curl up and die.

*cough* they were both part of the Roman Empire for a long time *cough*
*coughcough*No they weren't. Just France.*coughcough*

things i learned about te french in france

1. The women are not ugly and hairy, like ppl say sometimes...there are plenty of hot chicks to go around.

2. I really did not hear much about Jerry Lewis over there.

3. They are not that rude. Seriuously. I was over there for three weeks and i noticed two rude people. go to new york city, and you'll see that many in 2 seconds. Yeah, sometimes they bitch a little if you don't speak their language. but we do that too...(*cough*mexico*cough*...hey could someone hand me one of those lozangers?)

4. People are not over there being like "we hope america fails in Iraq"...they decided it was going to be a long, hard fight they had no buisiness in back at the beginning...and now a lot of americans wish Dubya had thought the same thing

mostly what i learned is that just like everywhere else on the fucking earth, the french are pretty much the same. yeah, you have your jackasses and stuck up people and your people thathate the rest of the world...but no more there than everywhere else.

Pretty much what people see wrong with the french, they refuse to see wrong with their country.

Le c'est tres belle, pourtant
le cuisine is degoutant oui le gans de Francais est tetu,

En general France est Francais

and it really depends on who you talk to and your biases before visiting there.

(merci deux annees en le clase de Francais) :)

hem hem *cough cough WWI cough cough
rofl

As Robin Williiams said, "I hate you, stupid Americans with your.... the Germans are coming! Hey! Americans! We love you come save us Americans!"

ROFL, it WAS funny when he said, go watch Live on Broadway


EDIT: BTW, that was for humor only, I really don't hate the French, I just disagree with their worldview much of the time, and thats actually not referring to the war or Jerry Lewis

France sucks.

Except for Lafeyette, Charles Martel, and pepe le piue
I'm guessing that if anyone said the same about your country, you'd go bananas, boldo and, possible, guaco (all herbs :p ).

Well, the names would have to be changed, but you get the picture.

Agreed on every count. People hate France just because it's "cool" to do so.
Kinda like the US, in other words, though I guess some have a better case than others (regarding both countries).

I've never actually been there...so I must reserve actual judgement until I get the chance to visit.

I've heard nice things though.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité! :)

Le c'est

I just cried a little.

This won't end well. Someday we'll look on French bashers the same way we look on racists - closed minded bigots whos grievances are BS and who's jokes aren't funny.
Kind of like England! Didn't they hate France of like 500 years?

I've holidayed there 4 times, I love the place.

Kind of like England! Didn't they hate France of like 500 years?

Some Brits still do.

don't like the language
but lovely place and generally nice people
great cultural identity (yes perhaps its "cultural snobbery" but that's better than laying your culture bare to be washed over by americanism)
kinda shitty politicians - past actions have been very self-centred (while acting in the name of the best interests of the EU *coughemptychaircrisiscough*), and i see no reason for this to have changed all that much

Kind of like England! Didn't they hate France of like 500 years?
before the 20th century we had been at war with the french for well over 100 years in the previous few centuries, yes (that's just mostly counting the 100 years war... there were loads!)
britain used to own half their country (well, normandy and brittany)

I just yesterday got back from a weeks travelling and camping in France.

Lovely place, some great people, shame about the seemingly unrivalled level of cultural snobbery.

Um... See England

I'd be very interested to know what percentage of negative and positive comments were made by people that have actually been to France...

I'd be very interested to know what percentage of negative and positive comments were made by people that have actually been to France...
well i've been, many times, for one.


am going again on friday :D (and then again next month!)

I'd be very interested to know what percentage of negative and positive comments were made by people that have actually been to France...

Exactly, most of the people that comment badly about France, they do it because, or they are ignorant or simply jealous. I’ve never been in France, but I know some French people, and I have nothing bad to say about them.
And do not bring history to be discussed, you Americans (from the USA… yes Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, etc, are also Americans) have nothing to be really proud about your history. By the way, what do you call a person that was born in the USA? United statiarist? :eek:

*cough* Didn't do much in WWI. *cough cough*


Neither did you, I suspect.

Vive la difference! Je l'aime pas les Americans. En coulez!

in fact in early 1918 German forces moved within 75 miles of Paris close enough to shell it with three long range Krupp guns. American forces arrived and along with fresh Brits and Frogs, helped push the Germans away
Ah, the Ludendolf offensive, germanys last gasp attempt to win the great War. Contary to popular (American) balif the Americans did not force back the Ludendoff offensive. A mixture of stratigic blunders, the British Naval Blockade and pure stupidity on behalf of the Germans forced the offensive back.

By 1918 Germany was in ruins. They had no nitratesthanks to the British blockade which is vital to grow crops, which meant that a large amnount of Germanys population was starving. All available food and metals ect. where being diverted to the Western front where almost 5 million german soildiers had died. The German General knew there country was on the brink of collapse but, being mainly of perussian decent and of the upper classes, they had this idea of fighting to the last man.

So they devised a way to try and break through the deadlock of the trenches finally. led by general Ludendoff, a startigic genius who had a slight oversight for logistics, they formed there best and most experiencd troops into groups of stormtroopers. These groups then advanced slowly across no-mans land taking days to cross 50 or so meters. Once they where on the cusp of the Allied lines the Germans launched a poision gass attack. whiule the Allied troops where fumbling with gas masks the Stromtroopers attacked along the entire line, making it impossable for there enermys to concentrate there forces.

quickly the front line trenches of the allies where taken with bitter fighting and the Germans advanced and slowly 'cleared out' the Allies from the trench system. However due to the high risk nature of this stratagy almost all the Stormtroopers died in the attack leaving the Germans without there best troops. The Germans advanced swiftly, the allies retreating, meanwhile American renforcements where arriving in britaany but not yet commited.

However this is where Ludendolfs logistic inexpertise came into play. He advanced to quickly and there wasn't enough food coming from germany. The allies burnt the land as they retreated and so the Germans starved. Then groups of allied cavalry and elite teams attacked the german supply lines, foricng the Germans to retreat. with most of there best dead they began to retreat and kept on retreating as the allies too back the trenches. It was at this point when the war was certainly lost the armisice was signed.

have not got a single problem with french individuals.

But when it comes to their politics, especially within the EU I hate the damn country. Farming subsidaries, overly protective of their markets, etc..
They seem to be firm believers in "all nations are created equal, just some nations are more equal than others"

I was living in France for nine months and I made some really great friends. They are proud of their tongue and culture, and it's normal, 'cause it was the lighthouse of europe for centuries. I think here lies a lesson for the USA in the future. I've always thought that they are so hatred by many people, specially in the US, 'cause they've never wanted to lost their political freedom inside the west block (NATO and so) and within the last war, the won the respect of most european citizens, 'cause most of us saw Irak war as an illegal war. The reaction from the Dubya Gov, just reassured our feelings (freedom fries, buffff). Now they are proved to be right, although I dislike a lot Chirac's gov.

And if Britain and US save them in the WWI, why were they considered to have the world best army until 1940? Of course, they lost the France Battle, but is funny to make jokes about it when an ocean is between you and your enemies. The USSR was a stronger country and they needed some two years to stop the nazis and more than 20 million casualties. The nazis were won by the rest of the world together, not by one single country.

A fine country I cannot wait to vacation/live in sometime.

*sigh*

The thread ranks about a 9.4 on my stupid-shit-o'-meter.

And do not bring history to be discussed, you Americans have nothing to be really proud about your history.

:rolleyes:

And where the hell do you live, that you can look down from your tower with such disdain?

:rolleyes:

And where the hell do you live, that you can look down from your tower with such disdain?
Look at his location. The US has done some proud things, early USA was a real beacon of hope but it's slowly devolved into just another power-hungry country where it's founding ideas are just that, ideas.

Look at his location. The US has done some proud things, early USA was a real beacon of hope but it's slowly devolved into just another power-hungry country where it's founding ideas are just that, ideas.


Ideas are just... ideas.
Can't eat 'em.

RealpolitikInside

France is like the US: pretty much OK in my book.

Look at his location.

There's no location listed on his/her post that I can see...and I seriously would like to know where that person is from.

They aren't likely to ever show up to tell me though...at least, two posts in about five months doesn't lead me to believe that they will.

Kind of like England! Didn't they hate France of like 500 years?

You gotta distinguish between rivalry and hate.

Rivalry: "We're better than you! You suck! Hah, have at you now! That hurt, didn't it? Who's daddy? That's right!"
Hate: The other guys have a nasty accident one day, and no one says anything.

Ideas are just... ideas.
Can't eat 'em.

RealpolitikInside

France is like the US: pretty much OK in my book.
Yeah, theyv are just ideas, but early US did actually impose those ideas, then they decided that those ideas didn't apply to blacks, and then it was Native Americans...then it was people from other countrys. now ti's prisioners of War....who next?

*cough*...France would be German territory if it werent for the Americans and the British in WWI...*cough*

America would be British territory if i werent for the french.
And also, freedom fries, what a load of crap.

3. They are not that rude. Seriuously. I was over there for three weeks and i noticed two rude people. go to new york city, and you'll see that many in 2 seconds. Yeah, sometimes they bitch a little if you don't speak their language. but we do that too...(*cough*mexico*cough*...hey could someone hand me one of those lozangers?)

People always see Paris and assume the rest of the French are like Parisians. This is very much like going to NYC and thinking all Americans are like New Yorkers.


[QUOTE=Sonaj] Kinda like the US, in other words, though I guess some have a better case than others (regarding both countries).[\QUOTE]

Pretty much.

we'd be better off if france was german - maybe not - both seemed to be involved with the food for oil stuff in iraq during sadam's rein after 1991 - not exactly good un member states

we'd be better off if france was german - maybe not - both seemed to be involved with the food for oil stuff in iraq during sadam's rein after 1991 - not exactly good un member statesGot any links to back that up?

+1

Yeah, theyv are just ideas, but early US did actually impose those ideas, then they decided that those ideas didn't apply to blacks, and then it was Native Americans...then it was people from other countrys. now ti's prisioners of War....who next?

My dear Aust,

I do hope ou know better than to listen to other people's ideas.

I know what you're trying to say, I even agree to some extent -

but I don't see how anyone's fancy words are... relevant.

Actions - not words.

This won't end well. Someday we'll look on French bashers the same way we look on racists - closed minded bigots whos grievances are BS and who's jokes aren't funny.
amen.

Heck, I already look on French bashers the same way we look on racists - closed minded bigots whos grievances are BS and who's jokes aren't funny.

we'd be better off if france was german - maybe not - both seemed to be involved with the food for oil stuff in iraq during sadam's rein after 1991 - not exactly good un member states
pray tell, where do you come from so I can say your country was ALSO involved in that particular scandal?

I just yesterday got back from a weeks travelling and camping in France.

Lovely place, some great people, shame about the seemingly unrivalled level of cultural snobbery.

Normandy is ok. Paris, on the other hand, must be the French word for "place where jerks live".

I have been to France and dont still particullary like the French , they seem to push into queues and they seemed to me to be a bit arrogant there was a tiny few that met that did have that air of french arrogance

Paris, on the other hand, must be the French word for "place where jerks live".

That's true. Tout à fait vrai :p

If you want to meet nice french, avoid Paris !

I would say France is one of the better countries in the world after all it is the cultural capital of Europe that being said Parisians are arseholes pure and simple

Aside from the usual popular sites, I didnt have such a wonderful time there. I dont hold anything against the people in general, only the individuals I dealt with. I may very well get along fine with my own french counterpart, but as far as the police, cab drivers, waitstaffs, and a pickpocket-I didnt like them much.
I could say the same about those same people in NYC though.

it is going in france the sameway it goes all over this piece of rock
It stinks:upyours:

Um... See England

England has nothing on France in terms of cultural snobbery.

Normandy is ok. Paris, on the other hand, must be the French word for "place where jerks live".

Well, I was in Brittany and it was about the same as Paris.

This is a seriously stupid poll.

You put up ten options, and that's all the diversity of opinion you can represent?
Not to mention splitting both positive and negative views into redundant options.
Only two options, the headbutting one and the "I live there, you idiot" one are in any way specific.

Here's where you point out that the poll was a joke.
Someone post the same poll, with "the US" where it says "France," and we'll see just how funny it is.
I didn't vote. The poll is retarded and flamebait.
i hate you

Trolling. Not even the non-obscene / non-gay options save this. *Click*