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he blew his house up in NY . Rather than have his wife get a part of it...he should have left though..:D

NYC Dr. Sent E-Mail Rant to Ex-Wife Before Explosion Destroyed Town House
Tuesday, July 11, 2006

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NEW YORK — The Manhattan doctor at the center of a town house collapse sent a rambling e-mail to his ex-wife that warned his ex would be "transformed from gold digger to ash and rubbish digger."





http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,202898,00.html

I remember a few years back watching some guy on tv chainsawing all his possessions (including his car) in half, then taking a bulldozer through the middle of his house. Petty little children...but I bet it was fun...

Hope he enjoys jail...

The morning explosion hurled fireballs high into the sky and left the upscale block covered in bricks, broken glass and splintered wood. Authorities said at least 15 people were injured, including five civilians and 10 firefighters.

Man, this guy is a real scum-bag!

According to a 2005 appellate court opinion, the doctor had "intentionally traumatized" his Jewish wife, who was born in Nazi-occupied Holland, by posting "swastika-adorned articles and notes" around their home. The opinion also said Bartha had "ignored her need for support and assistance while she was undergoing surgery and treatment for breast cancer."

Cordula Bartha was granted the divorce "on grounds of cruel and inhuman treatment," according to the opinion, which also says her husband "systematically cut off her access to marital funds and credit as a means of psychological abuse."

I remember a few years back watching some guy on tv chainsawing all his possessions (including his car) in half, then taking a bulldozer through the middle of his house. Petty little children...but I bet it was fun...
He cut his children in half, too?

Owned.

Well, looks like she'll be broke the way she probably deserves to be, and I am sure he is looking at ten years of fixing railroads and watching FOX before lights out.

People are stupid. If you don't want to give someone part of your house in a divorce, just don't marry them. Works every time.

If he lives . I thought my former brother in law nuts for sinking his boat .

He cut his children in half, too?
People are not chattel...I thought we'd sorted that out already???

Besides...they were in their 50s...the kids were on their own.

Owned.

Well, looks like she'll be broke the way she probably deserves to be, and I am sure he is looking at ten years of fixing railroads and watching FOX before lights out.
Why would you make that sort of statement? She is divorcing him, therefore she deserves to be broke? He calls her a gold-digger so she must therefore be one? Did you read the article?

People are not chattel...I thought we'd sorted that out already???

Besides...they were in their 50s...the kids were on their own.
My children shall be chattel and I'll cut them in half no matter how old they live to be if my wife ever divorces me.


Or maybe I'll just check myself into anger management classes...

People are stupid. If you don't want to give someone part of your house in a divorce, just don't marry them. Works every time.
I forget who said it, but some one said "Next time I feel like getting married i will just find a woman I don't like and buy her a house."

People are stupid. If you don't want to give someone part of your house in a divorce, just don't marry them. Works every time.
Unless you live in a state or nation that has common-law marriage, in which case, even if you don't go through the ceremony, but have children together, or live together for a certain period of time, you can also be forced to divide your possessions upon 'divorce'.

I remember a few years back watching some guy on tv chainsawing all his possessions (including his car) in half, then taking a bulldozer through the middle of his house. Petty little children...but I bet it was fun...

During my first divorce (right at the moment of separation), I intentionally quit my job, stopped paying the mortgage and all the bills, and moved in with my sister.

Since my wife was unemployed, she couldn't stop what happened next. The cars were repossessed, the accounts were drained by creditors, and the house was taken by the mortgage company. And I declared bankruptcy.

Burned her whole idea of alimony right down to the ground.

At the property settlement, she thought I was a real son of a bitch. She got nothing - not even the kids.

Two years later, my credit was back to normal.

During my first divorce (right at the moment of separation), I intentionally quit my job, stopped paying the mortgage and all the bills, and moved in with my sister.

Since my wife was unemployed, she couldn't stop what happened next. The cars were repossessed, the accounts were drained by creditors, and the house was taken by the mortgage company. And I declared bankruptcy.

Burned her whole idea of alimony right down to the ground.

At the property settlement, she thought I was a real son of a bitch. She got nothing - not even the kids.

Two years later, my credit was back to normal.
WHOA.

During my first divorce (right at the moment of separation), I intentionally quit my job, stopped paying the mortgage and all the bills, and moved in with my sister.

Since my wife was unemployed, she couldn't stop what happened next. The cars were repossessed, the accounts were drained by creditors, and the house was taken by the mortgage company. And I declared bankruptcy.

Burned her whole idea of alimony right down to the ground.

At the property settlement, she thought I was a real son of a bitch. She got nothing - not even the kids.

Two years later, my credit was back to normal.
It always amazes me that people can be such assholes to one another.

Why would you make that sort of statement? She is divorcing him, therefore she deserves to be broke? He calls her a gold-digger so she must therefore be one? Did you read the article?
Yeah, I did. There is no one guilty party in a divorce. Whatever the initial reasons, by the time it comes to this sort of thing, both will have done enough to deserve neither half of the settlement. Call me a cynic, but hey.

If she owns the apartment from allimoney and someone else blows up won't the spouse get the insurance money?

Yeah, I did. There is no one guilty party in a divorce. Whatever the initial reasons, by the time it comes to this sort of thing, both will have done enough to deserve neither half of the settlement. Call me a cynic, but hey.
That opinion leaves out the common situation of abuse. Are you saying then, in the case of abuse leading to divorce, that both parties are culpable?

If she owns the apartment from allimoney and someone else blows up won't the spouse get the insurance money?
I doubt many house insurance policies include arson.

Unless you live in a state or nation that has common-law marriage, in which case, even if you don't go through the ceremony, but have children together, or live together for a certain period of time, you can also be forced to divide your possessions upon 'divorce'.
Now that's just mean.

During my first divorce (right at the moment of separation), I intentionally quit my job, stopped paying the mortgage and all the bills, and moved in with my sister.

Since my wife was unemployed, she couldn't stop what happened next. The cars were repossessed, the accounts were drained by creditors, and the house was taken by the mortgage company. And I declared bankruptcy.

Burned her whole idea of alimony right down to the ground.

At the property settlement, she thought I was a real son of a bitch. She got nothing - not even the kids.

Two years later, my credit was back to normal.

Owned. I'm suprised it wasn't a Phyrric owning though... you say everything turned out alright(for you)?

It always amazes me that people can be such assholes to one another.
Meh, my uncle divorced his most recent ex after he discovered that she'd been lying to him during their entire marriage (she kept saying that she wanted kids, but couldn't have them due to a medical issue when she'd really had her tubes tied) then she tried to take everything from him in the divorce, when she left she took all the baskets that my grandmother made for my uncle et c. she also kinda started stalking him. For some reason he had to pay her lawyer too...

That opinion leaves out the common situation of abuse. Are you saying then, in the case of abuse leading to divorce, that both parties are culpable?
That would be the exception to the rule, to which I rarely give consideration.

Now that's just mean.
No it isn't. If you live with someone, have children with them...should you not also have certain responsibilities that go along with that relationship, regardless of whether you had a marriage ceremony or not? And this does not go one way, folks. The whole 'she gets half' thing is really a little much. It assumes that the man buys every little possession, that they own nothing in common, and that the woman has done absolutely nothing to add to the relationship. Even if she is not working outside the home, that is false.

Hopefully two adults would be able to say, 'this is mine, this is yours' without having the courts intervene...married or not. But this vindictive 'I'm taking it all and screw you' attitude is really vile.

That would be the exception to the rule, to which I rarely give consideration.
You're right. Most abused spouses stay.
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Owned. I'm suprised it wasn't a Phyrric owning though... you say everything turned out alright(for you)?
Yes, I make quite a bit of money when employed, so right after the settlement, I resumed working.

It only took two years for credit to be excellent again.

Meanwhile, she has a topflight job making around 26,000/year. She was immediately burdened with the debt, etc., and filed for bankruptcy as well.

But without decent income, the credit just doesn't come back.

If I ever get married, there'll be a big, fat pre-nub.

You're right. Most abused spouses stay.
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Way to misinterpret, and you know it.

The majority of divorce cases do not involve abuse.

Way to misinterpret, and you know it.

The majority of divorce cases do not involve abuse.
You realize that only supports what she said, right?

No it isn't. If you live with someone, have children with them...should you not also have certain responsibilities that go along with that relationship, regardless of whether you had a marriage ceremony or not?
Well, I think that people should be polite to each other, but does that mean it should be enforced by law?

Hopefully two adults would be able to say, 'this is mine, this is yours' without having the courts intervene...married or not.
Agreed.

Way to misinterpret, and you know it. Ah shut it...I was being sincere. I was agreeing that most divorces are not going to be based on abuse because most abused spouses do not leave. I wasn't saying that most divorces are based on abuse.

Well, I think that people should be polite to each other, but does that mean it should be enforced by law? Yes. Trying to duck it by just not getting married shouldn't protect you from carrying out your responsibilities to the other person...male or female.

I mean, imagine a situation where a man or woman goes into debt in order to support their partner through University...the partner then separates from them and goes on to make big bucks while the other partner is left with the debt. Is that fair? Should it be left at that?

During my first divorce (right at the moment of separation), I intentionally quit my job, stopped paying the mortgage and all the bills, and moved in with my sister.

Since my wife was unemployed, she couldn't stop what happened next. The cars were repossessed, the accounts were drained by creditors, and the house was taken by the mortgage company. And I declared bankruptcy.

Burned her whole idea of alimony right down to the ground.

At the property settlement, she thought I was a real son of a bitch. She got nothing - not even the kids.

Two years later, my credit was back to normal.
What did your ex-wife do to you to warrant that?

I don't get alimony though...child support yes...but alimony?

What did your ex-wife do to you to warrant that?

Fucked around for three years without saying a word, then said she didn't want to be a mother anymore or be married anymore, and that I should get her a condo in downtown DC and pay her 100,000 per year so she could get on with her life.

She's cleaning offices now.

Trying to duck it by just not getting married shouldn't protect you from carrying out your responsibilities to the other person...male or female. I mean, imagine a situation where a man or woman goes into debt in order to support their partner through University...the partner then separates from them and goes on to make big bucks while the other partner is left with the debt. Is that fair? Should it be left at that?
I can understand that, but what if people want their possessions and stuff to be treated as separate? They shouldn't have the choice?

I don't get alimony though...child support yes...but alimony?
Recompense for living in a society built on a series of unsturdy platforms of double standards.

I can understand that, but what if people want their possessions and stuff to be treated as separate? They shouldn't have the choice?
You can still have a sort of pre-nup if you are in a common-law relationship.

Recompense for living in a society built on a series of unsturdy platforms of double standards.
I don't actually know anyone who gets alimony from their ex. Most of the women I know who are divorced also don't get child support...in exchange for full custody, usually because the man doesn't want joint custody. Is alimony something more common among rich couples?

I don't actually know anyone who gets alimony from their ex. Most of the women I know who are divorced also don't get child support...in exchange for full custody, usually because the man doesn't want joint custody. Is alimony something more common among rich couples?
Arn't you in Canada?

Anybody remember seeing that thing on TV about the guy who completely booby trapped his house because he thought his wife was going to get it? Stuff like shotguns firing when you opened doors, tripwires, etc.

I think he killed himself with one of them...

Arn't you in Canada?
Yes...is there no alimony in Canada? (seriously...I don't know EVERYTHING...:D)

Yes...is there no alimony in Canada? (seriously...I don't know EVERYTHING...:D)
I would hazard to guess it is more prevalent stateside.

I would hazard to guess it is more prevalent stateside.
Now if I'd said that, I'm sure some nutjob would've started screaming about how anti-US I am...hence, I left it unsaid:)

Now if I'd said that, I'm sure some nutjob would've started screaming about how anti-US I am...hence, I left it unsaid:)

It used to be far more prevalent stateside, but it depends on which state you're in. Since the advent of "no-fault" divorce, and the idea that women can actually work a job, most states don't grant alimony unless there are extenuating circumstances (i.e., a huge amount of money, and the woman hasn't worked in 20 years).

That doesn't stop women from trying.

During my first divorce (right at the moment of separation), I intentionally quit my job, stopped paying the mortgage and all the bills, and moved in with my sister.

Since my wife was unemployed, she couldn't stop what happened next. The cars were repossessed, the accounts were drained by creditors, and the house was taken by the mortgage company. And I declared bankruptcy.

Burned her whole idea of alimony right down to the ground.

At the property settlement, she thought I was a real son of a bitch. She got nothing - not even the kids.

Two years later, my credit was back to normal.better than blowing the house.

You should see some of the divorce settlements here in the UK. In some rulings wives are now entitled to half of a former husbands future pension.

better than blowing the house.

:eek:

My children shall be chattel and I'll cut them in half no matter how old they live to be if my wife ever divorces me.


Or maybe I'll just check myself into anger management classes...
As Bill Cosby once said, "I brought you into this world and I can take you out."

better than blowing the house.
There's usually a legal way to blow up your property and money so that someone else who wants it can't have it.

For example, the man who blew up the house in New York should just have taken out equity loans until the whole place was three stories deep in debt.

And then he should have failed to make the payments. The house would be gone, and she wouldn't have it.

Some people amaze me to the depths they will stoop when it comes to divorce settlements. Perhaps this guy should have been checked into a psych hospital on at least grounds of being unstable and a danger to himself and people around him.

During my first divorce (right at the moment of separation), I intentionally quit my job, stopped paying the mortgage and all the bills, and moved in with my sister.

Since my wife was unemployed, she couldn't stop what happened next. The cars were repossessed, the accounts were drained by creditors, and the house was taken by the mortgage company. And I declared bankruptcy.

Burned her whole idea of alimony right down to the ground.

At the property settlement, she thought I was a real son of a bitch. She got nothing - not even the kids.

Two years later, my credit was back to normal.


This is a great story! I am glad that your story had such a happy ending. It is a shame that you had to take the financial hit though. This sort of reminds me of the saying, "Millions for defense but not one cent for tribute."

Yes...is there no alimony in Canada? (seriously...I don't know EVERYTHING...:D)
From what I know, there is no alimony. There are two types of finacial support, however, spousal and child. The latter is more common based on custody. I know my mother, even though her income was lower, when I moved in with my dad, she was forced to pay child support.

I read the email he sent. It wasnt very understandable. The guy is crazy.

I forget who said it, but some one said "Next time I feel like getting married i will just find a woman I don't like and buy her a house."


Sounds like Rodney Dangerfield.

Oh and Kimchi, nice one!

That opinion leaves out the common situation of abuse. Are you saying then, in the case of abuse leading to divorce, that both parties are culpable?


Foolishness - how common? It certainly isn't the number one reason for divorce, not even the number two. Tell me - how "common" is abuse as the cause for divorce?

Ah shut it...I was being sincere. I was agreeing that most divorces are not going to be based on abuse because most abused spouses do not leave. .

Nice global statement - proove it.

What did your ex-wife do to you to warrant that?


You mean, other than divorce him?

I forget who said it, but some one said "Next time I feel like getting married i will just find a woman I don't like and buy her a house."


Sounds like Rodney Dangerfield.

Oh and Kimchi, nice one!


Nope - it was Johnny Carson