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Am I the only one who thinks that the movie "My Super Ex-Girlfriend" looks horrible? I mean jeez, what a way to combine Superman and a feminist empowerment film to make this piece of crap! From what I can understand, the plot is guy meet girl, got tired of girl, tries to dump her, guy finds out she has superpowers, and then she goes psycho and tries to kill him or any new girlfriend the poor sap may have. Yea, if this isn't a feminist empowerment film, I have no idea what one would be then. I would not advise to go see this movie, unless you have to because if you don't you won't get any from your girl. Luckily my girl think it's a piece of crap too. I'm still wondering how it's susspose to be empowering to appear to be the bad guy, you know with the killing and stuff.

"My Super Ex-Girlfriend"

Rating: -10

It's so not a feminist empowerment film. If it was, then it would involve him dumping her, her moving on with her life and finding someone better while he ends up miserable and alone.
It's a movie that's clearly sympathetic to the guy, yes, he dumped her but he had good reason: she's clearly a psycho.

At any rate, it looks like it could be an entertaining movie and I don't think that watching previews and commercials really allows you to properly rate a movie.

Woman going psycho and losing control of herself is empowerment? Weeeird.

Anyway, I think it'll suck anyway, but because a lack of plot and general unfuniness. Not even the trailer was that good, and often that's the only good thing for some movies.

I think it was a funny idea gone horribly boring.

It's summertime. In Summer Hollywood takes the opportunity to release all the truly shitty movies because they know that bored kids who aren't in school will go out and see them. They save their good films (as well as their boring, convoluted, pointless period dramas) for award season.

Well how come the guy doesn't get Super Powers? Also, why does the title say My Super Ex-Girlfriend. Why not My Psychotic Ex-Girlfriend? Basically the guy is getting owned for 2 hours by this psycho in the movie. The only way I would EVER see this movie, if it catches on fire in the projector. I like to watch fires.

The reason it says his SUPER ex-girlfriend is because she has SUPER POWERS.

Really, what is the big deal? Can only GUYS have superpowers? Are we feeling inadequate because OMG a guy is being portrayed as weak rather than the woman?

It has nothing to do with empowerment -- she's a psychopath. Did Michael Myers of Halloween represent MALE empowerment?

:rolleyes:

It's summertime. In Summer Hollywood takes the opportunity to release all the truly shitty movies because they know that bored kids who aren't in school will go out and see them. They save their good films (as well as their boring, convoluted, pointless period dramas) for award season.

Yea, but there are movies, like this one, that should NEVER get release.

The reason it says his SUPER ex-girlfriend is because she has SUPER POWERS.

Really, what is the big deal? Can only GUYS have superpowers? Are we feeling inadequate because OMG a guy is being portrayed as weak rather than the woman?

It has nothing to do with empowerment -- she's a psychopath. Did Michael Myers of Halloween represent MALE empowerment?

:rolleyes:

Eh, actually yea you could make an argument for Michael Myers respenting Male empowerment. Although to be fair, he did kill both boys and girls. He also killed a dog.

Yea, but there are movies, like this one, that should NEVER get release.

But then we'd never have movies to give the MST3K treatment. :cool:

Eh, actually yea you could make an argument for Michael Myers respenting Male empowerment. Although to be fair, he did kill both boys and girls. He also killed a dog.

Well you could, if you were an idiot. That doesn't mean that he did represent it.

But what am I saying? We all now that going psycho and killing the opposite gender is a way to empower your gender. Jack the Ripper was fighting for male equality.

Eh, actually yea you could make an argument for Michael Myers respenting Male empowerment. Although to be fair, he did kill both boys and girls. He also killed a dog.


If you think Michael Myers represents male empowerment, I am frankly very worried.

If you think Michael Myers represents male empowerment, I am frankly very worried.

Indeed.

Am I the only one who thinks that the movie "My Super Ex-Girlfriend" looks horrible? I mean jeez, what a way to combine Superman and a feminist empowerment film to make this piece of crap! From what I can understand, the plot is guy meet girl, got tired of girl, tries to dump her, guy finds out she has superpowers, and then she goes psycho and tries to kill him or any new girlfriend the poor sap may have. Yea, if this isn't a feminist empowerment film, I have no idea what one would be then. I would not advise to go see this movie, unless you have to because if you don't you won't get any from your girl. Luckily my girl think it's a piece of crap too. I'm still wondering how it's susspose to be empowering to appear to be the bad guy, you know with the killing and stuff.

"My Super Ex-Girlfriend"

Rating: -10
I will wait to hold judgement. after all, they are exploring a different side of the superhero/heroine genre, their personal life. Can you imagine what would happen if Clark were to come home one day and find Lois in bed with Jimmy? or if Bruce Wayne gets a call from Selena saying that he's the father of her child...

after all, even Superheroes/Heroines are also human...

Seeing as I'd never heard of this film, I first thought this thread was gonna be some strange rant bitching about an ex-girlfriend and saying "ha! she looks horrible now!"...

Well you could, if you were an idiot. That doesn't mean that he did represent it.

But what am I saying? We all now that going psycho and killing the opposite gender is a way to empower your gender. Jack the Ripper was fighting for male equality.

All I am saying is that this DOES not look like the kind of movie a guy would see (under his free will). Only girls would see this, and why, well, to be honest, I don't really know, I quit trying to figure out girls 5 years ago. Hell, why would ANYONE go see this movie?

Well how come the guy doesn't get Super Powers? It's simple, because then it would be a superhero fight, and a completely different movie.

Also, why does the title say My Super Ex-Girlfriend. Why not My Psychotic Ex-Girlfriend?

Two reasons. The first is that your title doesn't include the fact that she has superpowers.

The second is because in this context, super doesn't necessarily mean they're on the side of good. Superhuman/superpowered is often simply a way to describe somebody with powers beyond human (although DC has that metahuman thing). Ever here of a supervillain?

Basically the guy is getting owned for 2 hours by this psycho in the movie. The only way I would EVER see this movie, if it catches on fire in the projector. I like to watch fires.[/QUOTE]

So in other words, watching commercials and trailers means you know that it doesn't contain anything else?

If you think Michael Myers represents male empowerment, I am frankly very worried.

Eh, if we're serious about who's the symbol for male empowerment. I would have to say the father on House on the Little Parire. He's strong, a good father, good husband, a provider, and can kick some ass! :D

It's summertime. In Summer Hollywood takes the opportunity to release all the truly shitty movies because they know that bored kids who aren't in school will go out and see them. They save their good films (as well as their boring, convoluted, pointless period dramas) for award season.
Summertime is where they release all of their tentpole pictures that pay for the rest of the stuff that they make and studio rent. All the big ticket items are released in summer in the hopes that they can release 'prestige' films later and not lose their shirt. The shelf clearing season is spring, after the Oscars and before the blockbuster season where they release all the crap that they think is shit but hope might make enough to lesson the damage of having made it at all.

So in other words, watching commercials and trailers means you know that it doesn't contain anything else?

Eh basically. You can tell alot from what a movie look like from the trailers and commerical.

All I am saying is that this DOES not look like the kind of movie a guy would see (under his free will). Only girls would see this, and why, well, to be honest, I don't really know, I quit trying to figure out girls 5 years ago. Hell, why would ANYONE go see this movie?

Okay... so it's a movie made for girls?

I hate to break it to you, and ruin your sense of moral superiority, but there are plenty of films made for guys...

Okay... so it's a movie made for girls?

I hate to break it to you, and ruin your sense of moral superiority, but there are plenty of films made for guys...

Yes, and I reallize that, but they don't demean women like this movie apparently demean men.

Yes, and I reallize that, but they don't demean women like this movie apparently demean men.

I...

I'm not even going to touch this. Anyone?

I...

I'm not even going to touch this. Anyone?
he just doesn't like the idea of a strong woman keeping him (Literally) under her thumb. :D

I...

I'm not even going to touch this. Anyone?
It's like a really complicated knot. It's gone wrong somewhere way deep and it's too hard to figure out where to start.

I quit trying to figure out girls 5 years ago.

Mmm. Well, it's very simple.

Women like to be respected. Women like not to be treated as if they are stupid, in need of protection like some delicate flower, and enjoy being treated as if they are actually adult human beings capable of handling their own lives.

You know, just like guys like being respected, not being treated as if they are stupid or in need of protect, and enjoy being treated as if they are actually adult human beings capable of handling their own lives.

I think the problem is not so much the movie as the fact that it's not portraying women as being an ornament for guys, for you.

Seeing as I'd never heard of this film, I first thought this thread was gonna be some strange rant bitching about an ex-girlfriend and saying "ha! she looks horrible now!"...
That's what I thought, too.
I'm bitterly disappointed.

As for what it's really about, how can anyone think a woman so desperate for a man's affection that she turns homocidal when spurned is an example of feminist empowerment?
It's basically saying that women can't survive and cope rationally without a man in their lives.
That passes for feminist empowerment these days?
Ahh, ya. This world is more screwed up than ever...

That passes for feminist empowerment these days?
Ahh, ya. This world is more screwed up than ever...

Nah. It's Wilgrove's opinion.

I think we all need to step back from the Feminist empowerment angles, and the degrading men angles, and all the other highbrow angles.

My Super Ex-Girlfriend is nothing more then it appears - a comedy for men and women.

Seriously, my fellow guys, who hasn't had a crazy wacko ex-girlfriend who seriously wouldn't let go? Who just tried to cling onto you forever and ever and ever and ever...? All of us, yeah?

All of us, of both genders, have gone out with crazy people, and then had trouble getting out of the relationship without ruffling too many feathers. My Super Ex-Girlfriend is just adding superpowers to this already comedic situation for novelty value.

There's not any more to it.

Mmm. Well, it's very simple.

Nah I'm not going to fall into that trap again.


Women like to be respected. Women like not to be treated as if they are stupid, in need of protection like some delicate flower, and enjoy being treated as if they are actually adult human beings capable of handling their own lives.

and I can understand that and I support that. However, some women I've met like to have little things called double standards. They want equal pay, but have no qualms with slacking off for half an hour talking to their friends. I think that if women want equal pay, they should do equal work, just as simple as that.

You know, just like guys like being respected, not being treated as if they are stupid or in need of protect, and enjoy being treated as if they are actually adult human beings capable of handling their own lives.

And this movie doesn't trample all over that?

I think the problem is not so much the movie as the fact that it's not portraying women as being an ornament for guys, for you.

No, the problem I have with this movie, and 1. It just looks so painfully horrible, and why, because no one is being shown as equal in this movie. The guy is a poor pathetic sap that gets owned for 2 hours, and the girl is shown as a psychotic bitch who goes out of control. Let's face it it's a horrible movie all around.

Eh, actually yea you could make an argument for Michael Myers respenting Male empowerment. Although to be fair, he did kill both boys and girls. He also killed a dog.
When I first read this, I thought he was talking about MIke Myers, of 'Waynes World' and 'Austin Powers' fame.
So my first thought was, "Man! Did I miss something? Did Myers completely lose it recently? I didn't think his latest movies sucked that bad. Though the killing the dog bit is a nice funny touch."

and I can understand that and I support that. However, some women I've met like to have little things called double standards. They want equal pay, but have no qualms with slacking off for half an hour talking to their friends. I think that if women want equal pay, they should do equal work, just as simple as that.
Firstly, what the hell does this have to with the movie?

Secondly, because yeah, all guys work 100% with no breaks or slacking, and all girls like to sit and gossip and not actually work. People are people. Some work crazily hard, most slack off now and again, and some slack off too much. I really don't think this is a gender issue.

And this movie doesn't trample all over that?
Are you seriously suggesting that this movie in any way actually supports the women's treatment of the guy? That it actually proposes that all women should go psycho when dumped and seek violent revenge over their ex's?

Well how come the guy doesn't get Super Powers?
Because he doesn't. I'm presuming they have some sort fo world where only some people have super powers unless it's like Superman where the girl is an alien or something.

Also, why does the title say My Super Ex-Girlfriend. Why not My Psychotic Ex-Girlfriend?
She has super powers, that's more unique than being a psychotic ex.

Basically the guy is getting owned for 2 hours by this psycho in the movie. The only way I would EVER see this movie, if it catches on fire in the projector.
How would you know that the whole two hours are him getting owned by her? How do you know that she's not brought to justice for her actions by some tribunal of super heros at the end?

I mean, seriously this movie is obviously a bad portrayl of a woman as a posessive and jealous monster I don't see how you can think of this as being some sort of female superiority thing.

When I first read this, I thought he was talking about MIke Myers, of 'Waynes World' and 'Austin Powers' fame.
So my first thought was, "Man! Did I miss something? Did Myers completely lose it recently? I didn't think his latest movies sucked that bad. Though the killing the dog bit is a nice funny touch."

Ahh, well lol, There are two Michael Myers. There's Austin Powers and then theres the serial killer Michael Myers.

However, some women I've met like to have little things called double standards. They want equal pay, but have no qualms with slacking off for half an hour talking to their friends. I think that if women want equal pay, they should do equal work, just as simple as that.
hahahahaha

What the fuck planet have you been living on? If you want me to whip out stats of women working harder than men and getting paid less then just ask... and don't act like men never stop working to chat either. Seriously, stop using this movie as an excuse to push your chauvist "men are superior to women, thus deserve better treatment" adgenda.

It's so not a feminist empowerment film. If it was, then it would involve him dumping her, her moving on with her life and finding someone better while he ends up miserable and alone.
It's a movie that's clearly sympathetic to the guy, yes, he dumped her but he had good reason: she's clearly a psycho.

At any rate, it looks like it could be an entertaining movie and I don't think that watching previews and commercials really allows you to properly rate a movie.
Smart and a knockout. There's hope.


Well posted.

They save their good films (as well as their boring, convoluted, pointless period dramas) for award season.

Not a fan of Pirates of the Carribean sequels then?

Smart and a knockout. There's hope.


Well posted.
*blushes*
Why thank you.

Well how come the guy doesn't get Super Powers? Also, why does the title say My Super Ex-Girlfriend. Why not My Psychotic Ex-Girlfriend? Basically the guy is getting owned for 2 hours by this psycho in the movie. The only way I would EVER see this movie, if it catches on fire in the projector. I like to watch fires.
He doesn't get super powers because that's how it was written. See, it would just be a live-action take on the superheroes-as-real-people concept (presented brilliantly in The Incredibles and horridly in Sky High) if he also had super powers. Not that Hollywood doesn't like to repeat itself ad nauseam, but it's "funnier" if the guy is unpowered and suffers the true "hell hath no fury" of a superhero scorned (holy shit -- I could've written the ad copy for this film!).

It's not called "psychotic" because ANY woman has her moments. The gimmick here is that she's a SUPERhero, see? Hence the title. Put down the Conservative talking points and relax. It's a movie.

hahahahaha

What the fuck planet have you been living on? If you want me to whip out stats of women working harder than men and getting paid less then just ask... and don't act like men never stop working to chat either. Seriously, stop using this movie as an excuse to push your chauvist "men are superior to women, thus deserve better treatment" adgenda.

While I can see how you might think I'm a chauvist pig or whatever, I am not. All I was trying to do was show how bad this movie actually looks, and I've seen actual women empowerment films (thank you public school) and combine one of those films with Superman, and this is basically what you get! As for the equal work = equal pay argument. Let me ask you this. IF both a man and woman work 40 hours in one week, then it would be logical that they should get paid the same, right? Right. However, if a man works 40 hours and woman 30 hours, or vice versa. Then the party that work more hours deserves a higher pay than the person that works lesser hours. It's just common sense people.

Now, for my suggestion to actually make "MY Super Ex-Girlfriend" better, give the guy Super Powers and let them go at it with one another. At least it would be an equal film that I could enjoy.

And yes, I have had pyschotic ex's who won't leave me alone and are clingy, so yea.

He doesn't get super powers because that's how it was written. See, it would just be a live-action take on the superheroes-as-real-people concept (presented brilliantly in The Incredibles and horridly in Sky High) if he also had super powers. Not that Hollywood doesn't like to repeat itself ad nauseam, but it's "funnier" if the guy is unpowered and suffers the true "hell hath no fury" of a superhero scorned (holy shit -- I could've written the ad copy for this film!).

It's not called "psychotic" because ANY woman has her moments. The gimmick here is that she's a SUPERhero, see? Hence the title. Put down the Conservative talking points and relax. It's a movie.

Well, could we at least add Super Bitch in there? I mean comon.

But then we'd never have movies to give the MST3K treatment. :cool:
Abso-bleeding-lutely.

I miss MST3K, and especially Joel Hodgson.

JOEL: And what do you want for Christmas, Crow?
CROW T. ROBOT: I wanna decide who lives and who dies.

Well, could we at least add Super Bitch in there? I mean comon.
Uh...no. Not everyone who handles a breakup badly is a bitch. Everyone can be bitchy. It takes consistency and unreasonable dedication to the craft of bitchiness to earn the label "superbitch".

I think you're deliberately missing the point, but hey.

It's like a really complicated knot. It's gone wrong somewhere way deep and it's too hard to figure out where to start.
I've a feeling that Alexander the Great could sort him out rather well, then.

Abso-bleeding-lutely.

I miss MST3K, and especially Joel Hodgson.

JOEL: And what do you want for Christmas, Crow?
CROW T. ROBOT: I wanna decide who lives and who dies.

Agreed 100%

Mystery Science Theatre 3000 where are you in this darkest hour when you are needed most?

Uh...no. Not everyone who handles a breakup badly is a bitch. Everyone can be bitchy. It takes consistency and unreasonable dedication to the craft of bitchiness to earn the label "superbitch".

I think you're deliberately missing the point, but hey.

No no, I get the point, it's just a movie, we've all had clingy boyfriend/girlfriends, and yadda yadda yadda. I wasn't really trying to start a woman vs. men battle here, all I was trying to do is to convey the suckiness of this movie. Which I apparently failed at.

While I can see how you might think I'm a chauvist pig or whatever, I am not.
No, you just think that men inherantly work harder than women, who, rather than sit and worry their pretty little heads off and work hard sit and gossip half the time they're at work.

All I was trying to do was show how bad this movie actually looks,
Ok.

and I've seen actual women empowerment films (thank you public school) and combine one of those films with Superman, and this is basically what you get!
Funny, I never saw a women empowerment film in public school. I also don't think it's empowering to become obsessed with an ex and have your whole life revolve around getting revenge on them.

As for the equal work = equal pay argument. Let me ask you this. IF both a man and woman work 40 hours in one week, then it would be logical that they should get paid the same, right? Right. However, if a man works 40 hours and woman 30 hours, or vice versa. Then the party that work more hours deserves a higher pay than the person that works lesser hours. It's just common sense people.
Except that you have no evidence that women work less than men. You just made a bullshit, generalized statement and expected us to agree with it.

Now, for my suggestion to actually make "MY Super Ex-Girlfriend" better, give the guy Super Powers and let them go at it with one another. At least it would be an equal film that I could enjoy.
How would that make it better? That would make it boring, they'd just keep going back and forth on this, instead we have the poor guy trying to move on with his life while he's being terrorized by this bitch who has gone nuts.

And yes, I have had pyschotic ex's who won't leave me alone and are clingy, so yea.
Yeah, so have I. Women don't corner the market on clingy insanity.

I wasn't really trying to start a woman vs. men battle here, all I was trying to do is to convey the suckiness of this movie. Which I apparently failed at.
Perhaps because you made it a women vs men battle in your opening post.

I'll still watch it. I've got nothing better to do.

Well, could we at least add Super Bitch in there? I mean comon.
They don't generally include swearing in movie titles and that would kinda give a bit much away, don't you think?

I will wait to hold judgement. after all, they are exploring a different side of the superhero/heroine genre, their personal life. Can you imagine what would happen if Clark were to come home one day and find Lois in bed with Jimmy? or if Bruce Wayne gets a call from Selena saying that he's the father of her child...

after all, even Superheroes/Heroines are also human...

Trying...to hold back...impulse...to correct... ...must...not...become...Comic...Book...GuyyyyAAAARGH!

Superman isn't human.
The Martian dude in the Justice League isn't human.
ROM isn't human.
Hawkman/Girl aren't human.
Wasn't Longshot (X-Men) an alien, too? I can't recall.
Speaking of the X-Men, technically speaking, they're mutated humans...don't know if they count.
Silver Surfer was not human.

...sorry. I know what you meant. I couldn't help myself.

All I am saying is that this DOES not look like the kind of movie a guy would see (under his free will). Only girls would see this, and why, well, to be honest, I don't really know, I quit trying to figure out girls 5 years ago. Hell, why would ANYONE go see this movie?
The film clearly chooses to sympathize with the guy. Are you watching the same previews?

Yes, and I reallize that, but they don't demean women like this movie apparently demean men.
WHAT?!?

I'm too stunned by the complete airheadedness of that statment to form a coherent, trouncing reply. Someone step in -- please!

No, you just think that men inherantly work harder than women, who, rather than sit and worry their pretty little heads off and work hard sit and gossip half the time they're at work.

Ok, so I may have used a bad example, and thank you for the generalization. What I was trying to convey with that bad example, was that people who work more, should get paid more, and people who slack off on the company time should get paid less. Jeez... Yall can take one simple bad example and twist it like Play-doh.


Funny, I never saw a women empowerment film in public school. I also don't think it's empowering to become obsessed with an ex and have your whole life revolve around getting revenge on them.

If you have seen the films I've seen back in school, you would realize that they do, in general, suck, and that this movie happen to remind me of that suckiness.

Except that you have no evidence that women work less than men. You just made a bullshit, generalized statement and expected us to agree with it.

And I corrected that generalization. *sings the Play-Doh song*

How would that make it better? That would make it boring, they'd just keep going back and forth on this,

Which would make it funny for me, because she could send a shark into her bed, but he could put her car on a garbage barge and so on. I have a weird sense of humor.


instead we have the poor guy trying to move on with his life while he's being terrorized by this bitch who has gone nuts.


Which is why I don't like the film, I don't like the guy being protrayed as "weak" and "poor". The guy need muscle!

Yeah, so have I. Women don't corner the market on clingy insanity.

Never said they did.

I...

I'm not even going to touch this. Anyone?
:D , same reaction!

Holy yipe!

WHAT?!?

I'm too stunned by the complete airheadedness of that statment to form a coherent, trouncing reply. Someone step in -- please!

Ok, give me one movie where women are being demeaned, and I'll give you five "guys" movie where women where seen as partners or equal in the movie.

Perhaps because you made it a women vs men battle in your opening post.

Well it is a Man vs. woman movie, kinda hard to avoid that.

Nah I'm not going to fall into that trap again.



and I can understand that and I support that. However, some women I've met like to have little things called double standards. They want equal pay, but have no qualms with slacking off for half an hour talking to their friends. I think that if women want equal pay, they should do equal work, just as simple as that.



And this movie doesn't trample all over that?



No, the problem I have with this movie, and 1. It just looks so painfully horrible, and why, because no one is being shown as equal in this movie. The guy is a poor pathetic sap that gets owned for 2 hours, and the girl is shown as a psychotic bitch who goes out of control. Let's face it it's a horrible movie all around.
They're so cute when they're young....

They're so cute when they're young....

22,

*blushes*
Why thank you.
Well, you also have Douglas Adams in your sig. I figured a compliment was deserved and an imperative.

While I can see how you might think I'm a chauvist pig or whatever, I am not. All I was trying to do was show how bad this movie actually looks, and I've seen actual women empowerment films (thank you public school) and combine one of those films with Superman, and this is basically what you get! As for the equal work = equal pay argument. Let me ask you this. IF both a man and woman work 40 hours in one week, then it would be logical that they should get paid the same, right? Right. However, if a man works 40 hours and woman 30 hours, or vice versa. Then the party that work more hours deserves a higher pay than the person that works lesser hours. It's just common sense people.

Now, for my suggestion to actually make "MY Super Ex-Girlfriend" better, give the guy Super Powers and let them go at it with one another. At least it would be an equal film that I could enjoy.

And yes, I have had pyschotic ex's who won't leave me alone and are clingy, so yea.
Uh...I find that last sentence very hard to believe, but it's a big world.

Your equal work for equal pay argument has so many holes in it, it'd melt nicely over pastrami (REUBEN UP!). If ANYONE, regardless of gender, works LESS HOURS at the SAME JOB, they'll get paid less. Where you run into a brick wall is that you assume women work less in the same time allotted...for reasons I can't begin to want to try and understand. If what you've posted here is "common sense", then I'm very glad to be uncommon. That also explains a LOT.

I went to see X-men three with some friends the other day. We saw the super ex girlfriend preview, it looked like it was going to suck. But then, we say the add for SNAKES ON A PLANE! lmfao! The theatre was launing for like 2 minutes straight.

What I was trying to convey with that bad example, was that people who work more, should get paid more, and people who slack off on the company time should get paid less. Jeez... Yall can take one simple bad example and twist it like Play-doh.
You're the one who used the example and I really didn't have to twist it to make it sound bad, you did that all on your own. You're also assuming that life is fair and hard work gets paid more than not-so-hard work, which isn't the case in the real world. Between neoptism, brown nosing, charisma et c it is quite possible to get away with no work and get paid quite hansomly.

If you have seen the films I've seen back in school, you would realize that they do, in general, suck, and that this movie happen to remind me of that suckiness.
So now every movie that sucks and features a female lead is a "women empowering" film? Good job.

And I corrected that generalization. *sings the Play-Doh song*
Hardly. You just made the assumption and are now just backing out on it while accusing me of twisting your words.

Which is why I don't like the film, I don't like the guy being protrayed as "weak" and "poor". The guy need muscle!
No he doesn't, that would defeat the purpose of the movie.

Uh...I find that last sentence very hard to believe, but it's a big world.

Your equal work for equal pay argument has so many holes in it, it'd melt nicely over pastrami (REUBEN UP!). If ANYONE, regardless of gender, works LESS HOURS at the SAME JOB, they'll get paid less. Where you run into a brick wall is that you assume women work less in the same time allotted...for reasons I can't begin to want to try and understand. If what you've posted here is "common sense", then I'm very glad to be uncommon. That also explains a LOT.

I NEVER assumed that women worked less.. but you'll probably just ignore this too and contiune to say I'm a male chauvanist pig or whatever.

What's with this insisting that this is a woman empowerment movie? It's not, it's a comedy about an insecure, psycho woman who happens to have super powers.

"9 to 5," now, that was a woman empowerment movie.

Well it is a Man vs. woman movie, kinda hard to avoid that.
Read what I wrote. You made it a men versus women issue, not an issue of a man versus a woman, which is what the movie is.

No no, I get the point, it's just a movie, we've all had clingy boyfriend/girlfriends, and yadda yadda yadda. I wasn't really trying to start a woman vs. men battle here, all I was trying to do is to convey the suckiness of this movie. Which I apparently failed at.
You could have said that the movie just looks like it's going to suck. Trying to wedge feminism in is where you went awry. Well, that and having a completely distorted view on the subject. It's okay, though. Read some, listen more, and you can learn.

I NEVER assumed that women worked less.. but you'll probably just ignore this too and contiune to say I'm a male chauvanist pig or whatever.
Oh really? You're sure about this?

Too bad your own statement refutes this:

and I can understand that and I support that. However, some women I've met like to have little things called double standards. They want equal pay, but have no qualms with slacking off for half an hour talking to their friends. I think that if women want equal pay, they should do equal work, just as simple as that.

Oh no you didn't assume that women don't slack off and work less than men... not at all... no blanket statements to that effect here... :rolleyes:

You're the one who used the example and I really didn't have to twist it to make it sound bad, you did that all on your own. You're also assuming that life is fair and hard work gets paid more than not-so-hard work, which isn't the case in the real world. Between neoptism, brown nosing, charisma et c it is quite possible to get away with no work and get paid quite hansomly.

That is true, there are alot of brown noser, and both women and men using charm, charaisma whatever to get ahead without much work, but for the sake of argument I've taken that variable out.


So now every movie that sucks and features a female lead is a "women empowering" film? Good job.

GAH, Can't freaking win with you can I? Ok, let me explain this once more. In Health Ed class, we've saw film that was said to promote equality, but what it really ended up being was one of those film that tells women that they are special, simply by the fact that they were born women. It was nothing more than mind numbing crap, and I would've thought the same if it was vice versa.


Hardly. You just made the assumption and are now just backing out on it while accusing me of twisting your words.

K


No he doesn't, that would defeat the purpose of the movie.

and what IS the purpose of this movie?

You could have said that the movie just looks like it's going to suck. Trying to wedge feminism in is where you went awry. Well, that and having a completely distorted view on the subject. It's okay, though. Read some, listen more, and you can learn.

Yea, I really should've left the feminist part out. It just that this movie did remind me of those empowerment films that they showed in health class that made no sense.

Oh no you didn't assume that women don't slack off and work less than men... not at all... no blanket statements to that effect here... :rolleyes:

You cannot sit here and tell me that women do not have double standards, they want to be independent, and yet be supported. They want to be modern, and yet old fashioned. They want to be equal to men, and yet be feminine. Gah!

Also, I would like to point out that society in general are overlayed with double standards for disabled/handicapped, etc. etc. So it's not just the women who have this.

Ok, so I may have used a bad example, and thank you for the generalization. What I was trying to convey with that bad example, was that people who work more, should get paid more, and people who slack off on the company time should get paid less. Jeez... Yall can take one simple bad example and twist it like Play-doh.
Perhaps, but what you actually did was imply that the ones who work less are women...re-read your own posts.

Which would make it funny for me, because she could send a shark into her bed, but he could put her car on a garbage barge and so on. I have a weird sense of humor.
But it wouldn't be funny to most folks because the imbalance is what makes it funny. Think of it this way -- we've all had to dump someone, but imagine if you discovered that your dumpee was, I dunno, Elektra or Wonder Woman or Supergirl, and one of her powers was NOT a rational, healthy coping mechanism. If you were also a superhero, it'd just be another lame super-fight. Imagination is the key here. It's looking at the superpower concept from a decidedly mundane angle.

Which is why I don't like the film, I don't like the guy being protrayed as "weak" and "poor". The guy need muscle!
"The guy need muscle"?

Wow, you even type like the Hulk.

"Guys" have a long way to go before portrayals of them as "weak" and "poor" (where did you get "poor", by the way? Did you not see his high rise apartment?) even come close to portrtayals of women in that light.

Ok, give me one movie where women are being demeaned, and I'll give you five "guys" movie where women where seen as partners or equal in the movie.
How's about the vast majority of porn, for starters?

22,
You make my point. Young.

That is true, there are alot of brown noser, and both women and men using charm, charaisma whatever to get ahead without much work, but for the sake of argument I've taken that variable out.
Yes, but apparantly, only women slack off for half their working hours to chat with coworkers.

GAH, Can't freaking win with you can I?
No, you really can't until you learn to debate with more than generalizations and poorly made assumptions.

Ok, let me explain this once more. In Health Ed class, we've saw film that was said to promote equality, but what it really ended up being was one of those film that tells women that they are special, simply by the fact that they were born women. It was nothing more than mind numbing crap, and I would've thought the same if it was vice versa.
Funny, I never watched such a film in any class, let alone a health class.

and what IS the purpose of this movie?
I haven't seen the movie, I'm guessing that if it's any good, there's some sort of point to it.
And if you really want to feel better about this, the man does get revenge on her, he moves on. She does not. He is clearly the victor in the break up.

Perhaps, but what you actually did was imply that the ones who work less are women...re-read your own posts.

Yes yes, and I didn't mean to imply that, my bad, I'm sorry.


But it wouldn't be funny to most folks because the imbalance is what makes it funny. Think of it this way -- we've all had to dump someone, but imagine if you discovered that your dumpee was, I dunno, Elektra or Wonder Woman or Supergirl, and one of her powers was NOT a rational, healthy coping mechanism. If you were also a superhero, it'd just be another lame super-fight. Imagination is the key here. It's looking at the superpower concept from a decidedly mundane angle.

I don't know if I would dump Superwoman, espically with what she wears. She's also into bondage! lol. I dunno, there are lots of ways to make Super fights intersting. I mean look at X-Men, nothing but super fights and I enjoyed that.


"The guy need muscle"?

Wow, you even type like the Hulk.

"Guys" have a long way to go before portrayals of them as "weak" and "poor" (where did you get "poor", by the way? Did you not see his high rise apartment?) even come close to portrtayals of women in that light.

Well I ment poor as defenseless, helpless etc. As for my typing, eh I like to be blunt and too the point.

How's about the vast majority of porn, for starters?

movies that can be seen by the general public.

I went to see X-men three with some friends the other day. We saw the super ex girlfriend preview, it looked like it was going to suck. But then, we say the add for SNAKES ON A PLANE! lmfao! The theatre was launing for like 2 minutes straight.

Snakes on a Plane! I have been waiting for that for ages!!! Samuel L Jackson: I've had it with these snakes!

Quality line! but yeah women empowerment yadda yadda all sounds like some guy has forgotton that women play the poor, pretty, defenceless party in most films. Nuff Said.

GAH, Can't freaking win with you can I? Ok, let me explain this once more. In Health Ed class, we've saw film that was said to promote equality, but what it really ended up being was one of those film that tells women that they are special, simply by the fact that they were born women. It was nothing more than mind numbing crap, and I would've thought the same if it was vice versa.
I'm gonna guess that the film dubbed women "special" because they provide the mechanism for birth. I'd say that qualifies as special. It appears that you took that designation a bit personally.

and what IS the purpose of this movie?
To entertain, like most movies. Not every film has an agenda. Most of them don't, as far as I can tell.

Yea, I really should've left the feminist part out. It just that this movie did remind me of those empowerment films that they showed in health class that made no sense.
If you had just one example -- a title, a scene, anything, that shows us what you, specifically mean by the phrase "empowerment film", we might be able to understand you better.

Yes, but apparantly, only women slack off for half their working hours to chat with coworkers.

and you fail to see my correction, we're done with this part of the argument.


No, you really can't until you learn to debate with more than generalizations and poorly made assumptions.

I'll do that, when you realize that yes women do have double standards, both men and women do slack off in the workplace, and that equal work does generally mean equal pay.


Funny, I never watched such a film in any class, let alone a health class.


We had a very liberal staff.


I haven't seen the movie, I'm guessing that if it's any good, there's some sort of point to it.
And if you really want to feel better about this, the man does get revenge on her, he moves on. She does not. He is clearly the victor in the break up.

Eh, he still gets physically owned.

Ok, give me one movie where women are being demeaned, and I'll give you five "guys" movie where women where seen as partners or equal in the movie.
Haha... You seriously think there are more movies that demean men than women? I have no doubt there are many movies that demean men, but that's a crazy statement. For decades women were shown as being nothing more than someone to cook and clean and look after the kids, and total property of the husband.

You cannot sit here and tell me that women do not have double standards, they want to be independent, and yet be supported.
No more than men.
I want to be able to support myself, but I don't want to have to support another adult who should be capable of supporting himself. It would also be nice to have a guy who would support me should I become unable to support myself and who would accept my support if he became unable to support himself. I hardly see how this is contradictory or a double standard.

They want to be modern, and yet old fashioned.
Uh, no.

They want to be equal to men, and yet be feminine.
And this is a double standard how exactly? One has to be a man to be an equal?

Also, I would like to point out that society in general are overlayed with double standards for disabled/handicapped, etc. etc. So it's not just the women who have this.
Oh, cut the "pity me, I'm a middle class white man" crap.

and you fail to see my correction, we're done with this part of the argument.
Your correction where you accused me of twisting your words?

I'll do that, when you realize that yes women do have double standards, both men and women do slack off in the workplace, and that equal work does generally mean equal pay.
Yes, women are the only ones with double standards. We're all evil, kniving bitches who are out to get you... and your little dog too. *cackles*

We had a very liberal staff.
Compared to your attitudes in this thread, the 1950s attitude towards the woman's movement is liberal.

Eh, he still gets physically owned.
And that's all that matters, huh?

Before I realised the OP was talking about a movie, I was wondering how a super ex-girlfriend differed from a normal ex-girlfriend and why the OP dated her in the first place if she looks so bad.

You cannot sit here and tell me that women do not have double standards, they want to be independent, and yet be supported. They want to be modern, and yet old fashioned. They want to be equal to men, and yet be feminine. Gah!
One minute you're correcting generalisations, than you make a set of even more ridiculous ones. I really would advise you stop talking such bullshit.

I want to be able to support myself, I'd hate to be an old fashioned woman and I see no problem with being treated equally to men, and having the same opportunities and fair treatment, while also being "feminine" (by traditional definition). And, if you hadn't guessed it, I'm a woman. Therefore, all you said is false. You lose.

You cannot sit here and tell me that women do not have double standards, they want to be independent, and yet be supported. They want to be modern, and yet old fashioned. They want to be equal to men, and yet be feminine. Gah!

Also, I would like to point out that society in general are overlayed with double standards for disabled/handicapped, etc. etc. So it's not just the women who have this.
What are you talking about?!?

EVERYONE has double standards! Guys (different from "men") want women to fuck like whores but not to actually be whores. Men want women to not be even remotely fat, but it's okay for them to have a spare tire. Etc.

You're fouling up by implying that only women have them (and apparently the disabled, now, too...where that came from, I don't know). It just looks like you've been fed a lot of defensive propaganda and have swallowed some. Just because women, minorities, people with disabilities and the like are finally STARTING to become heirs to the same rights and entitlements that white men have already doesn't mean white men are evil or wrong or that women, etc., are being treated with any special deference. When the playing field levels, they who were on top for a while will naturally assume they're being lowered. It simply isn't true. And this is a white man speaking -- I've never been denied a job when I was the more qualified applicant, I've never been held back or discriminated against for being white and male. Relax about the whole issue and live your life, brother.

Wilgrove. I think you have issues mate, and you're making a mountain out of a molehill with this here movie. I would advise a quick apology and retreating as far away as possible.


Seriously dude, you've made a huge issue out of nothing.

No more than men.
I want to be able to support myself, but I don't want to have to support another adult who should be capable of supporting himself.

I wholehartely agree with that.

It would also be nice to have a guy who would support me should I become unable to support myself and who would accept my support if he became unable to support himself.

Yes, it would be, that is called a parternship. That is what I want, that is what I want women and men to do, to create parternship. None of this battle to be superior crap, but to work together, to support each other, and many ways.

I hardly see how this is contradictory or a double standard.[quote]

Eh, I've met people who have no qualms with living off their spouse, and asking them for money, I've seen unequal parternships, which I do not agree with.


[quote]Oh, cut the "pity me, I'm a middle class white man" crap.

Umm k, if you can't have a civil and nice debate, then I will end this.

movies that can be seen by the general public.
Porn can be seen by the general public.


How about 90% of movies where women are stereotyped as incompotent sex objects. Even the in the Tomb Raider movies, Lara Croft had to be saved by her male lovers... hollywood doesn't do much for strong female characters.

Seriously dude, you've made a huge issue out of nothing.

yeah it's really a message a minute thread this one! On that I congratualte you you created a thread that everyone's got something to say about lol:D

One minute you're correcting generalisations, than you make a set of even more ridiculous ones. I really would advise you stop talking such bullshit.

I want to be able to support myself, I'd hate to be an old fashioned woman and I see no problem with being treated equally to men, and having the same opportunities and fair treatment, while also being "feminine" (by traditional definition). And, if you hadn't guessed it, I'm a woman. Therefore, all you said is false. You lose.

Yea... I'm not debating with you until you lose the attitude, come back to me when you can approach this a bit more nicely.

Wilgrove. I think you have issues mate, and you're making a mountain out of a molehill with this here movie. I would advise a quick apology and retreating as far away as possible.


Seriously dude, you've made a huge issue out of nothing.

I never retreat. :D

Yes, it would be, that is called a parternship. That is what I want, that is what I want women and men to do, to create parternship. None of this battle to be superior crap, but to work together, to support each other, and many ways.
Ok. Well, that's what the feminist movement is about. So kindly stfu and stop knocking feminism when apparantly you agree with the philosophy.

Eh, I've met people who have no qualms with living off their spouse, and asking them for money, I've seen unequal parternships, which I do not agree with.
Well, how about you learn to distinguish between individuals and their genders?

Umm k, if you can't have a civil and nice debate, then I will end this.
Stop asking for everyone to feel sorry for you because you don't have a disadvantage in today's society so no one tries to make things "more equal" for you.

I never retreat. :D

Rather a shame, especially when you're in the wrong here. Even moreso with the insulting and generalising attitude you have.

What are you talking about?!?

EVERYONE has double standards! Guys (different from "men") want women to fuck like whores but not to actually be whores. Men want women to not be even remotely fat, but it's okay for them to have a spare tire. Etc.


You're fouling up by implying that only women have them (and apparently the disabled, now, too...where that came from, I don't know). It just looks like you've been fed a lot of defensive propaganda and have swallowed some. Just because women, minorities, people with disabilities and the like are finally STARTING to become heirs to the same rights and entitlements that white men have already doesn't mean white men are evil or wrong or that women, etc., are being treated with any special deference. When the playing field levels, they who were on top for a while will naturally assume they're being lowered. It simply isn't true. And this is a white man speaking -- I've never been denied a job when I was the more qualified applicant, I've never been held back or discriminated against for being white and male. Relax about the whole issue and live your life, brother.

Ok, lose the attitude, and come back when you've calmed down.

I think we can all benefit from a nice break, go to other threads, and reapproach this with a clear and calm mind.

*Puts on muzak*

Yes yes, and I didn't mean to imply that, my bad, I'm sorry.
Well said.

I don't know if I would dump Superwoman, espically with what she wears.
Uh...you would if you didn't like her personality. If she bored you. Or for any number of the reasons people split up. The assumption that you'd never dump someone merely because she's pretty or super-powered or whatever, is a prime example of objectification. You can't imagine dumping "Superwoman" just 'cause she's hot.

I dunno, there are lots of ways to make Super fights intersting. I mean look at X-Men, nothing but super fights and I enjoyed that.
I agree, and I liked the film, too. But it wasn't played for laughs and didn't include the hybrid of jilted lover comedy, like My Super Ex... is advertising. You're assuming that all films with "super" characters MUST be like X-Men. Not so. That's this film's premise. "Let's look at what happens if we take a fairly normal situation and make one of the couple super!" That's probably akin to how the film was pitched. As to why Uma Thurman chose the role...no bloody idea.

Ok, lose the attitude, and come back when you've calmed down.

I think we can all benefit from a nice break, go to other threads, and reapproach this with a clear and calm mind.

*Puts on muzak*
lol

Now everyone who thoroughly owns you has to calm down?

Eh, he still gets physically owned.
And that's all that matters to you, right? :rolleyes:

Ok. Well, that's what the feminist movement is about. So kindly stfu and stop knocking feminism when apparantly you agree with the philosophy.


It what the original movement was about, yes, I agree with you on that. However, there has been some cases where women want to take it futher than equality, they want to reverse the 1950's situation completely.


Well, how about you learn to distinguish between individuals and their genders?


Notice I didn't add gender into that comment, which means that I've seen it on both side, male and female.


Stop asking for everyone to feel sorry for you because you don't have a disadvantage in today's society so no one tries to make things "more equal" for you.

and that ends this debate, Please contact GeneralApproach on 120.05, have a safe and happy forum reading, good day.

lol

Now everyone who thoroughly owns you has to calm down?

No, I do not respond to hostile gesture, and refuse to do so. Pleaes contact General Approach on 120.05 good day.

It what the original movement was about, yes, I agree with you on that. However, there has been some cases where women want to take it futher than equality, they want to reverse the 1950's situation completely.
No they don't.

Notice I didn't add gender into that comment, which means that I've seen it on both side, male and female.
Alright, then what exactly did it have to do with your argument?

and that ends this debate, Please contact GeneralApproach on 120.05, have a safe and happy forum reading, good day.
I love it when people can't come up with rebuttals so they pretend the other person is being irrational.

I never retreat. :D
You and Custer. Congratulations.

No, I do not respond to hostile gesture, and refuse to do so. Pleaes contact General Approach on 120.05 good day.
His post wasn't hostile and mine haven't been hostile either. Quit with the cop outs.

Yea... I'm not debating with you until you lose the attitude, come back to me when you can approach this a bit more nicely.
Stop making such stupid, offensive, simply false statements, and I'll stop proving them wrong.

You and Custer. Congratulations.

Yea, but Custer was fun.

Ok, lose the attitude, and come back when you've calmed down.

I think we can all benefit from a nice break, go to other threads, and reapproach this with a clear and calm mind.

*Puts on muzak*
If you can explain how the following post was in any way hostile, I'll be glad to desist. I know you can't, but I'll re-post it anyway.


What are you talking about?!?

EVERYONE has double standards! Guys (different from "men") want women to fuck like whores but not to actually be whores. Guys want women to not be even remotely fat, but it's okay for them to have a spare tire. Etc.

You're fouling up by implying that only women have them (and apparently the disabled, now, too...where that came from, I don't know). It just looks like you've been fed a lot of defensive propaganda and have swallowed some. Just because women, minorities, people with disabilities and the like are finally STARTING to become heirs to the same rights and entitlements that white men have already doesn't mean white men are evil or wrong or that women, etc., are being treated with any special deference. When the playing field levels, they who were on top for a while will naturally assume they're being lowered. It simply isn't true. And this is a white man speaking -- I've never been denied a job when I was the more qualified applicant, I've never been held back or discriminated against for being white and male. Relax about the whole issue and live your life, brother.

It seems to me that you DO retreat. You retreat into a childish "la-la-la I'm not listening to you" post pattern when you've been schooled. Using air-traffic terminology just makes it more childish.

It what the original movement was about, yes, I agree with you on that. However, there has been some cases where women want to take it futher than equality, they want to reverse the 1950's situation completely.
Some women, maybe. A tiny tiny minority. That does not mean you can totally dismiss all the feminists/women with valid points and goals. I hate how the use of the word "feminist" has become so twisted and negative.

Yea, but Custer was fun.
Okay, now I know you're a child.

Have a nice life and please, PLEASE don't breed.

Some women, maybe. A tiny tiny minority. That does not mean you can totally dismiss all the feminists/women with valid points and goals. I hate how the use of the word "feminist" has become so twisted and negative.

They may be a minority, but a very loud minority. That's why feminism have become negative.

Okay, now I know you're a child.

Have a nice life and please, PLEASE don't breed.
See, now unlike those previous posts you dismissed as insults, this one is an insult. Note the difference.

Some women, maybe. A tiny tiny minority. That does not mean you can totally dismiss all the feminists/women with valid points and goals. I hate how the use of the word "feminist" has become so twisted and negative.
Agreed.

Okay, now I know you're a child.

Have a nice life and please, PLEASE don't breed.

You have NO concept of a Joke do ya?

and too late, I didn't use a condom last night. *psh* another joke *psh*

This movie looks like a piece of shit! What a dumb idea.

This movie looks like a piece of shit! What a dumb idea.

Thank you!

Woman going psycho and losing control of herself is empowerment? Weeeird.
Nope. Reality.

Du-du-ch:upyours: :fluffle:

You have NO concept of a Joke do ya?

and too late, I didn't use a condom last night. *psh* another joke *psh*
Perhaps you need to change your sense of humour since none of your jokes are funny.

Thank you!
Too bad you didn't just present it as "this movie sucks" and made it an issue of men being better than women.

Perhaps you need to change your sense of humour since none of your jokes are funny.

Hey they're funny to me and to my friends and Liz, that's all I care about.

I actually thought that it looked like a funny, brainless movie. I might even see it...

Does that make me a feminazi? If so, cool, especially for the fact that I'm male.

I actually thought that it looked like a funny, brainless movie. I might even see it...

Does that make me a feminazi? If so, cool, especially for the fact that I'm male.

If you're seeing it with your girlfriend, you're whipped.

If you're not, then you are well I dunno.

See, now unlike those previous posts you dismissed as insults, this one is an insult. Note the difference.
Oustanding. Simply delightful!

You can't imagine dumping "Superwoman" just 'cause she's hot.
Humorously enough, this merely confirms my previous suspicion that Wilgrove has never had a girlfriend. Guys dump hot chicks all the time. Why? Because a lot of the best looking ones are friggin idiots. And thats hard to live with. Try it.

:headbang: Feels like this

If you're seeing it with your girlfriend, you're whipped.

If you're not, then you are well I dunno.
How is he whipped just becasue he goes to see the movie? Did it ever occur to you that *gasp* some men might want to see this movie? Did it occur to you that some couples don't have to be whipped to accomodate their partner's requests to see movies they don't want to see either?

Humorously enough, this merely confirms my previous suspicion that Wilgrove has never had a girlfriend. Guys dump hot chicks all the time. Why? Because a lot of the best looking ones are friggin idiots. And thats hard to live with. Try it.

:headbang: Feels like this

I have one right now, going on one year....

Humorously enough, this merely confirms my previous suspicion that Wilgrove has never had a girlfriend. Guys dump hot chicks all the time. Why? Because a lot of the best looking ones are friggin idiots. And thats hard to live with. Try it.

:headbang: Feels like this
...people don't just get dumped because they're deficient in some way.

And not all beautiful women are idiots. I would hardly say that most are.

Humorously enough, this merely confirms my previous suspicion that Wilgrove has never had a girlfriend. Guys dump hot chicks all the time. Why? Because a lot of the best looking ones are friggin idiots. And thats hard to live with. Try it.

:headbang: Feels like this
It only took one. And I was chowderheaded enough to move to Texas for a summer for her. The wall in your illustration is not nearly hard or large enough, but it gets the point across. This is why Dakini impresses me (not that it matters who I dig in the overall scheme of things). Common sense, intelligence and emphatic beauty are too rarely paired.

How is he whipped just becasue he goes to see the movie? Did it ever occur to you that *gasp* some men might want to see this movie? Did it occur to you that some couples don't have to be whipped to accomodate their partner's requests to see movies they don't want to see either?

Yea it occurred to me, and that's all I'm saying on that front. You cannot deny that when this movie opens, most of the couples that are going to the movie are there because the girl want to see it. The guy are just in it because they want to maintain the relationship or get some.

How is he whipped just becasue he goes to see the movie? Did it ever occur to you that *gasp* some men might want to see this movie? Did it occur to you that some couples don't have to be whipped to accomodate their partner's requests to see movies they don't want to see either?
He's whipped because Wilgrove has a stunted sense of reality. I'd bet he was going to finish the second half of that idiotic couplet by saying that if he was going to see it by himself "dude, ur soooo ghey, LOLzers", or something similarly vacuous.

what super hero throws a shark into someones apartment and admits that she would have killed him if he didn't come back to her doesn't sound like a stble person or good role model for anyone at all female or male nor can i believe people gave it the green light just shows all new films crap either bad films crappy remakes or piss poor sequels.:upyours:

Luke Wilson's in it. Owen Wilson's brother. Guys like Luke. They'll go see it.

Yea it occurred to me, and that's all I'm saying on that front. You cannot deny that when this movie opens, most of the couples that are going to the movie are there because the girl want to see it. The guy are just in it because they want to maintain the relationship or get some.

Hey, I want to watch that movie, don't be hatin'. ^^

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You're weird.

He's whipped because Wilgrove has a stunted sense of reality. I'd bet he was going to finish the second half of that idiotic couplet by saying that if he was going to see it by himself "dude, ur soooo ghey, LOLzers", or something similarly vacuous.

Yea, that counts as an insult. Ok, I think this thread has gone as far as it needs to go.

However, before I do ask mods to close this thread. I will say this. I've been talking to Liz on the phone for the last half hour, explaining what I've said on here, and on the marriage thread. I've consulted for her advice and she thinks that it's not the message that is the problem, it's the way I am conveying the message. (She really is a smart gal, glad to have her with me.) The message which I am trying to convey, is that for as long as human have existed, males and female have struggle for power over one another. It's been going back and forth over the centuries and millennia. However, we are still no closer to the partnership that we need. This movie, is no better than the movie that some people say demeans women. An Eye for an Eye makes the world blind. While the original feminist movement have fought for equality, several group have branched out, and actually called for women to be superior to men. However, that is wrong. What needs to happen now, is to stop this gender war, and work towards partnerships. God created man and woman to be partners, not to be ruler and submissive to one another. The partnership need to fit together like a puzzle piece, with the men and women complimenting each other, helping each other, and supporting each other. My disgust for this film, is mearly base on the fact that we've seem to be pushing towards a woman dominated society, instead of towards a partnership. and that's all I can say really.

SO try to get in before the lock.

Yea it occurred to me, and that's all I'm saying on that front. You cannot deny that when this movie opens, most of the couples that are going to the movie are there because the girl want to see it. The guy are just in it because they want to maintain the relationship or get some.
Yes, I can deny that most men going to see this movie are going there because they're whipped or our to "get some". Honestly, I don't see how you can be 22 and have this sort of attitude. Some men like movies that you do not. Some men go watch movies they don't think they'll like willingly with their girlfriends because they enjoy her company or because she will go watch a movie she may not enjoy but he will. Not all men are out to "get some" and really, many women like "getting some" just as much as men do, even if they won't admit it. You seem to have had some really bad relationships.

Yea... I'm not debating with you until you lose the attitude, come back to me when you can approach this a bit more nicely.

So you just accused all women of having double standards, of expecting a man to do it all for them whilst claiming equal pay for chatting to their friends, and you think Glitziness has an attitude? Perhaps you need to reconsider your statements...

btw, I am a woman who works very hard to provide for myself and for my male partner who has returned to full time education. or maybe I have a dick and just didn't notice yet :rolleyes:

Wilgrove, it's a trite piece of Hollywood fluff. Period. Stop treating it like its Annie Hall or even 9 to 5, for fnord's sake.

And now you wanna bring God into the debate? Holy yipe.

Yea, that counts as an insult. Ok, I think this thread has gone as far as it needs to go.

However, before I do ask mods to close this thread. I will say this.
Oh, so not only are you retreating because you're defeated (although you won't admit it) you're trying to get the last word in before asking the mods to delete the thread because you have failed in proving your point.

The message which I am trying to convey, is that for as long as human have existed, males and female have struggle for power over one another.
You're a historian now? Too bad your assessment isn't acurate...

However, we are still no closer to the partnership that we need.
That is not true, many couples do achieve an equal partnership.

This movie, is no better than the movie that some people say demeans women.
Yes, but not for the reasons you claim. If anything, this movie itself demeans women more than it empowers them, well, if we group all women into the character of the super heroine gone berserk.

While the original feminist movement have fought for equality, several group have branched out, and actually called for women to be superior to men. However, that is wrong.
This has nothing to do with the movie or earlier comments in the thread.

God created man and woman to be partners, not to be ruler and submissive to one another.
1. What god?
2. According to the Bible, God created women to be subserviant to men.

My disgust for this film, is mearly base on the fact that we've seem to be pushing towards a woman dominated society, instead of towards a partnership. and that's all I can say really.
Bullshit, we're not pushing towards a female dominated society, we're not even at a society where men and women are equals.

well Wilgrove, you don't have to see it if you don't want to. however, making such assumptions because of the trailer is rather shortsighted of you.

You can't be serious to think that we're going towards a female-dominated society. We're nowhere even close to that. The reason people are pushing hard for women's rights is because they have so many rights to fight for. Considering the gender has been oppressed for thousands of years, it's not surprising that those that sympathize with them may feel the need to speak up a bit louder in hopes of promoting change.

You seem to think that men and women are already equal, which is catagorically incorrect. You're only 22 and my guess is that you've only been exposed to a small part of the problem. Around the world (and in the US as well), women are routinely raped, traded on the sex market, infanticized (killed at birth), barred from influential jobs, and generally viewed as too weak, too emotional, and too simple minded. To say that the feminist movement is anywhere near making females the "superior" gender is, for lack of a kinder word, ignorant. Remember that they only recently gained the right to vote and use credit cards. Somewhere around 80% of them are forced to lose half their identity and stop their family trees by changing their last names to their husbands' upon marriage. Societies around the world still force parents of daughters to pay dowries to their inlaws. How, exactly, is this equal? The list goes on and on. You claim you want men and women to be equal. Well, this is how it's going to happen. We need to be loud in order to get a very stubborn, male-dominated world to listen.

Eh, if we're serious about who's the symbol for male empowerment. I would have to say the father on House on the Little Parire. He's strong, a good father, good husband, a provider, and can kick some ass! :D

He's also sensitive, and cries.

He's also sensitive, and cries.

Never really seen that. But he still kicks ass.

However, some women I've met like to have little things called double standards. They want equal pay, but have no qualms with slacking off for half an hour talking to their friends. I think that if women want equal pay, they should do equal work, just as simple as that.
Right. Like the guys who bullshit about football/baseball/boxing/the basketball pool at the office, right?



And this movie doesn't trample all over that?
No, not really. A whole lot less than http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/18/78/18m.jpg, for instance.

Right. Like the guys who bullshit about football/baseball/boxing/the basketball pool at the office, right?




No, not really. A whole lot less than http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/18/78/18m.jpg, for instance.

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its the movie poster(?) for showgirls. ;)

its the movie poster(?) for showgirls. ;)

Never saw that movie.

I can't believe this much discussion has been generated over a movie trailer. Who's to say that the movie doesn't end with the guy getting all the super powers and the Super Ex-Girlfriend ends up barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen?

I can't believe this much discussion has been generated over a movie trailer.

Yea, it's amazing what bored people can do. :D

Trying...to hold back...impulse...to correct... ...must...not...become...Comic...Book...GuyyyyAAAARGH!

Superman isn't human.
The Martian dude in the Justice League isn't human.
ROM isn't human.
Hawkman/Girl aren't human.
Wasn't Longshot (X-Men) an alien, too? I can't recall.
Speaking of the X-Men, technically speaking, they're mutated humans...don't know if they count.
Silver Surfer was not human.

...sorry. I know what you meant. I couldn't help myself.
Longshot was an alien, Hawkman was a Thanagarian, ROM was a robot, Martian Manhunter, well.... Silver Surfer was an alien altered into his present state, and even the Fantastic Four and Spiderman aren't called humans by Marvel -- they are ALTERED humans.

;) Ya, comic book GIRL here.

I NEVER assumed that women worked less.. but you'll probably just ignore this too and contiune to say I'm a male chauvanist pig or whatever.

They want equal pay, but have no qualms with slacking off for half an hour talking to their friends. I think that if women want equal pay, they should do equal work, just as simple as that.
Hmm.

Trying...to hold back...impulse...to correct... ...must...not...become...Comic...Book...GuyyyyAAAARGH!

Superman isn't human.
The Martian dude in the Justice League isn't human.
ROM isn't human.
Hawkman/Girl aren't human.
Wasn't Longshot (X-Men) an alien, too? I can't recall.
Speaking of the X-Men, technically speaking, they're mutated humans...don't know if they count.
Silver Surfer was not human.

...sorry. I know what you meant. I couldn't help myself.Thanks Kat, I missed this one.


OK, I meant that they have feelings. :p

Hmm.
Thinking about it for too long can only hurt you.

Longshot was an alien, Hawkman was a Thanagarian, ROM was a robot, Martian Manhunter, well.... Silver Surfer was an alien altered into his present state, and even the Fantastic Four and Spiderman aren't called humans by Marvel -- they are ALTERED humans.

;) Ya, comic book GIRL here.
Yay ROM! ROM is so cool...

Hmm.

Someone already beat you to it, and caught me back tracking whatever, I'm too tired to care at this point. Yes I made some stupid comments, yes I back pedled, and yes some of my statements were contridictring. You guys win, whatever.

Longshot was an alien, Hawkman was a Thanagarian, ROM was a robot, Martian Manhunter, well.... Silver Surfer was an alien altered into his present state, and even the Fantastic Four and Spiderman aren't called humans by Marvel -- they are ALTERED humans.

;) Ya, comic book GIRL here.
actually Longshot is a bioroid. a construct.
Hawkman/Hawkwoman of Earth I are Thanagarian. the Hawks of Earth II were humans who wore flying vests.

oh and ROM wasn't a total robot, it was an alien entity implanted in a cybernetic body. a human from earth underwent the same process.

and DC calls their's MetaHumans.

but that doesn't exscuse Batman, Punnisher, Bucky, Red Falcon... heck, even Wally, the FF's Mailman helped bag some criminals... ;)

Great, you're fast becoming my Favorite Mod. :D

Ok, lose the attitude, and come back when you've calmed down.

I think we can all benefit from a nice break, go to other threads, and reapproach this with a clear and calm mind.

*Puts on muzak*

One minute you're correcting generalisations, than you make a set of even more ridiculous ones. I really would advise you stop talking such bullshit.

I want to be able to support myself, I'd hate to be an old fashioned woman and I see no problem with being treated equally to men, and having the same opportunities and fair treatment, while also being "feminine" (by traditional definition). And, if you hadn't guessed it, I'm a woman. Therefore, all you said is false. You lose.

Yea... I'm not debating with you until you lose the attitude, come back to me when you can approach this a bit more nicely.

Translation: I'm not listening to anyone whose argument I can't refute.

Translation: I'm not listening to anyone whose argument I can't refute.

You're about 5 hours too late for this discussion.

They may be a minority, but a very loud minority. That's why feminism have become negative.

Damn them thar uppity women. Where's my hot dinner?

Damn them thar uppity women. Where's my hot dinner?

We have veared off of what could be considered an actual debate at this point.

We have veared off of what could be considered an actual debate at this point.
I can't fathom it...

Damn them thar uppity women. Where's my hot dinner?
LOL: Forget about fast becoming my favorite mod... you just took first place!

if you will permit me...

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too bad I missed this I like tend ot enjoy these types of conversations... oh well

You're about 5 hours too late for this discussion.

And yet the thread is alive and well, and you're still here too.

too bad I missed this I like tend ot enjoy these types of conversations... oh well
You are not having this conversation.

You are not having this conversation.

ok... its late for me, so can you elaborate a bit...

And yet the thread is alive and well, and you're still here too.

That because you bumped it back up after it died out 5 hours ago!

ok... its late for me, so can you elaborate a bit...
No... because it's terrible when you have to explain a bad joke...

No... because it's terrible when you have to explain a bad joke...


most jokes are bad when you have to explain them lol... I have always held on to the fact that as long as I, the poster laughed at the joke, I dont give a rat's ass about whether the others enjoyed it lol

most jokes are bad when you have to explain them lol... I have always held on to the fact that as long as I, the poster laughed at the joke, I dont give a rat's ass about whether the others enjoyed it lol
Yeah. It kind of makes me a pretty bizarre poster sometimes...

That because you bumped it back up after it died out 5 hours ago!

Pardon me for having gone out.

Yea, but Custer was fun.

How is a Military General killing hundreds of thousands of innocent Native Women and Children fun? I mean holy crap....

Feminist empowerment??????????????

BAHAHAHAHWAHAHAHAHWAHAHAHA!

Dude what are you smoking?

It's just an attempt of humor by a guy dumping a psycho super hero.

After that comment; I will have to see the movie.

Man, I was lured to this thread thinking you were talking about YOUR ex girlfriend looking horrible. Alas, I am crestfallen that I am yet to be entertained this morning... ho hum. Such Is Life.

... and I've never heard of the movie!

I came here expecting pictures :(

Am I the only one who thinks that the movie "My Super Ex-Girlfriend" looks horrible? I mean jeez, what a way to combine Superman and a feminist empowerment film to make this piece of crap! From what I can understand, the plot is guy meet girl, got tired of girl, tries to dump her, guy finds out she has superpowers, and then she goes psycho and tries to kill him or any new girlfriend the poor sap may have. Yea, if this isn't a feminist empowerment film, I have no idea what one would be then. I would not advise to go see this movie, unless you have to because if you don't you won't get any from your girl. Luckily my girl think it's a piece of crap too. I'm still wondering how it's susspose to be empowering to appear to be the bad guy, you know with the killing and stuff.

"My Super Ex-Girlfriend"

Rating: -10


It isn't supposed to be empowering. Uma Thurman's superpowers represent guys feeling helpless to end a relationships that they feel trapped in. Just look at how many male comedians have jokes about clingy ex-girlfriends. Were it a more literal movie, he would simply feel too guilty about making her feel broken hearted that he would not dump her and the movie would consist of him talking with his friends about how he wants out of the relationship, and them giving him advice on how to make it happen.

Instead, they make him healthy and well adjusted, but give her superpowers so that the equation stays balanced. If he isn't going to be powerless, then she has to be really powerful.

most jokes are bad when you have to explain them lol... I have always held on to the fact that as long as I, the poster laughed at the joke, I dont give a rat's ass about whether the others enjoyed it lol

Really? The other day a bunch of people were telling "the dyslexic so-and-so does so-and-so" jokes and I said "The dyslexic movie fan wanted to rent a movie with William H. Macy and Janeanne Garofalo, so he asked for a copy of "Try My Semen." That joke isn't the slightest bit funny until you explain it. Then it gets a giggle.

Really? The other day a bunch of people were telling "the dyslexic so-and-so does so-and-so" jokes and I said "The dyslexic movie fan wanted to rent a movie with William H. Macy and Janeanne Garofalo, so he asked for a copy of "Try My Semen." That joke isn't the slightest bit funny until you explain it. Then it gets a giggle.
That movie is a bit salvagable since it has Tom Waits in it.

As for what it's really about, how can anyone think a woman so desperate for a man's affection that she turns homocidal when spurned is an example of feminist empowerment?
It's basically saying that women can't survive and cope rationally without a man in their lives.
That passes for feminist empowerment these days?
Ahh, ya. This world is more screwed up than ever...
Actually, it's not suggesting that. It's suggesting that a woman who has superpowers and whose secret identity is on the opposite end of the spectrum of noticible and outgoing that her super identity is has a hard time coping with losing something she cared about very much and given the nature of her secret identity was probably also her first, at least the first that really meant anything to her.

this movie just further solidifies my theory that Hollywood is in essence, running on empty.

this movie just further solidifies my theory that Hollywood is in essence, running on empty.

I think that theory was established when they made "Snakes on a Plane." Stock gag from every sitcom since the 70's? What's next "Chest of Drawers that Weighs Less When the Drawers are Taken Out and Put On Top?"

All I am saying is that this DOES not look like the kind of movie a guy would see (under his free will). Only girls would see this, and why, well, to be honest, I don't really know, I quit trying to figure out girls 5 years ago. Hell, why would ANYONE go see this movie?

Um, I'm a guy-- albeit a big angry sodomite-- but I plan to go see it, and the prospect of "getting any" or not from any female on this Earth has nothing to do with it. As to the "why"... three words: Shark through window. Because I know if I was invulnerable and super-strong and could fly, I'd probably be chuckin' some great whites through some people's bedroom windows, too. hehe. And it isn't a "female empowerment" movie... female empowerment movies generally don't portray the female lead as psychopaths, because that detracts from the viewer's pathos for them. Showing a woman who could pretty much do or have anything she wants as clingy and jealous and, frankly, kinda crazy isn't empowering-- if anything it suggests that women, no matter how powerful they may be, will always be nuts. I'm surprised more women aren't up in arms over it :)

*reads first six pages* You people got movies in school? I was jiped man.