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I'm a member of Conservative Future (Under 21 branch of the Conservative Party), and so consider myself to be a future tory voter. Basically, what do you think of David Cameron and his policies, could a he be a good Prime Minister in 2009/10?

He's better than Blair and Brown... I like the way he's all faux-socially-concerned.

I'm a member of Conservative Future (Under 21 branch of the Conservative Party), and so consider myself to be a future tory voter. Basically, what do you think of David Cameron and his policies, could a he be a good Prime Minister in 2009/10?

Personally, I think anyone possibly related to the Conservative party should curl up and die, (that's not personal) so I suppose you can guess.

fake, strange little man with seemingly water-thin policies aimed at snatching the middle ground left when blair and co took labour further and further to the right (and ended up practically tory)

i also think he's a conservative. and in my books, thats just a bad thing in itself.


he is, unfortunatley, a good politician though....

Meh, it's hard for me to care when pretty much all the parties seem the same.... But - put simply - I don't like him.

I'm a member of Conservative Future (Under 21 branch of the Conservative Party), and so consider myself to be a future tory voter. Basically, what do you think of David Cameron and his policies, could a he be a good Prime Minister in 2009/10?
He isn't a Conservative. I will probably vote UKIP or maybe even Labour at this rate. It's sad, because we need some decent economic governance pretty sharpish if we're going to survive China and India. Sadly, it does not look forthcoming - just more environmental taxes that will drive more and more industry abroad, more tax 'n' spend, and more debt.

I'm a member of Conservative Future (Under 21 branch of the Conservative Party), and so consider myself to be a future tory voter. Basically, what do you think of David Cameron and his policies, could a he be a good Prime Minister in 2009/10?
I think he's all style and no substance. Therefore the British public will probably fall for him just like they did with Blair.

He clearly lacks experience, confidence and ideas.

However, he is not Labour.

So he has a chance, if he learns. Years from now.

Meh. I suppose he is a conservative if you consider rolling over to continue current government policy to be conservative.

(Mind you, I've spent a fair slab of my Politics exam justifying Maggie Thatcher as a conservative so I can kinda see it)

He's a disgrace to the name. The Cons should just call themselves Torys because they lost any real semblance of pragmatism years back.

Hmmmmm.

David can't really win, because the British People will (thanks to Mr Blair) always vote Labour, because most assume that they are Soicalistish.

The Tories could go a million miles left and no voters would notice.

Shame, he seems like a nice guy.

Personally, I think anyone possibly related to the Conservative party should curl up and die, (that's not personal) so I suppose you can guess.
Seconded.

Dc and the tories are all dicks.They fucked my area up in the 80'e and I cant forgive them.Dc's a facist in center right clothing.

Meh. I suppose he is a conservative if you consider rolling over to continue current government policy to be conservative.

(Mind you, I've spent a fair slab of my Politics exam justifying Maggie Thatcher as a conservative so I can kinda see it)

He's a disgrace to the name. The Cons should just call themselves Torys because they lost any real semblance of pragmatism years back.

Utter bilge. A true Tory, a la moi, would simply vow to obliterate New Labour from the political concsiousness of Britain, and actually follow genuinely conservative policies.

Dc and the tories are all dicks.They fucked my area up in the 80'e and I cant forgive them.Dc's a facist in center right clothing.

:(

My heart just bleeds for you.....

Incidentally, its great in the South East, thankyou very much.:)

He seems a little too.. fake I suppose is the best word to describe it.

All this stuff about the environment, 'hug-a-hoodie' and so forth just seems a little too much like "Look at me! Look what I'm doing!" to me (and rather obviously trying to get environmentalists and young voters to elect him... to me it seems like he's doing too much, thus making himself look fake). He's definitely a good politican, but I wouldn't vote for him.

Will he be the man to get the Conservatives an election victory? Too early to say (I'd like to see some policies rather than just rhetoric :p) - I think he'll increase the number of Tory votes due to this pretending to care routine, but I don't think he'll be able to give them that final boost to get them into government. The Conservatives looked boring and out of touch under John Major (remember the Spitting Image character? ;)), and Mrs Thatcher's legacy continues to haunt them.

Dc and the tories are all dicks.They fucked my area up in the 80'e and I cant forgive them.Dc's a facist in center right clothing.
Yes, but you were obviously born during the Blair Gov't, and what has he done to put things right in your area? Also, how the hell is Dave a facist? Infact, do you know what a facist is?

Yes, but you were obviously born during the Blair Gov't, and what has he done to put things right in your area? Also, how the hell is Dave a facist? Infact, do you know what a facist is?

Im just being melodramatic.
I know hes not a facist, I just dont like him and Im over reacting.
I actually live in an area that has greatly improved since labour came to power.Dont get me wrong, I cant stand blair and new labour either.
I was born soon after thatcher came to power, as I said before im being obnoxious.

Wha... what?
Why are there conservatives in Britain?
How?

David Cameron has done for the Conservatives what Blair did for Labour: sacrificed their core values in exchange for a few tasty slogans to snag voters tired of the old Prime Minister turning everything he touches to shit. Anyone looking closely will realise that (apart from his ill-fated bid to leave the European People's Party) he has proposed no actual policies, instead relying on vague promises designed to appeal to every last voting segment while leaving him with no obligations should he become PM.

Still, I would consider voting for him, mainly because Labour are exactly the same. Both parties seem resolute in their lack of real policies, and both offer exactly the same soundbites, so I'm willing to give the new guy a chance. The Liberal Democrats, meanwhile, can bluster all they want about how they are catching up on Labour and the Tories, but they stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever making it into power, in no small part because of a series of leaders who seem too petrified to take any action whatsoever. Sir Menzies Campbell, I'm looking at you. Or rather I'm not, because you DON'T FUCKING DO ANYTHING WORTH LOOKING AT, YOU USELESS SON OF A BITCH! The Greens have some good environmental policies, and they might actually follow through with them, but they have nothing else going for them. The fringe parties aren't even worth looking at. They told me my vote could make a difference, and I'm not throwing it to some lunatic fringe group like the BNP or Respect.

Actually, to be honest, I'm probably going to spoil my ballot paper. Or just spend voting night on NS. I disagree with all of the parties' policies, mainly because there are no policies, and even if they went with their old ideologies I'd still disagree with all of them. Still, seeing as the average citizen is too stupid to want anything other than an alternative Big Brother out of the political system (Holy shit! Prescott had an affair! Evict him from the Big Brother House of Commons!), I suppose I can't expect any better. Fuck the lot of them. I'm emigrating.


EDIT: Well, I seem to have got a bit carried away there. At least I got it out of my system. :p

Utter bilge. A true Tory, a la moi, would simply vow to obliterate New Labour from the political concsiousness of Britain, and actually follow genuinely conservative policies.
Copying New Labour and following conservative policies are not entirely conflicting courses of action. Blair is not a traditional Labour Prime-minister, no matter how you slice up the cake of his government's policy-making.

Copying New Labour and following conservative policies are not entirely conflicting courses of action. Blair is not a traditional Labour Prime-minister, no matter how you slice up the cake of his government's policy-making.

No. Thank god he's not.

However, in emulating him, Cameron is hardly followng in Thatcher's stilletos is he?

Wha... what?
Why are there conservatives in Britain?
How?
Conservatives in Britain are actually genuinely Conservative; by which I mean defensive of the hard-earned rights of their predecessors. Their name does not reflect a likeness to the Conservatives of the further West.

Conservatives in Britain are actually genuinely Conservative; by which I mean defensive of the hard-earned rights of their predecessors. Their name does not reflect a likeness to the Conservatives of the further West.
Uh, hu. Answer me two questions. How do they generally feel about gay marriage and war?

Conservatives in Britain are actually genuinely Conservative; by which I mean defensive of the hard-earned rights of their predecessors. Their name does not reflect a likeness to the Conservatives of the further West.

And often, unfortunately, dismissive of any requests for completely reasonable further rights. While they seem to be polishing their gay rights credentials under their new, fluffy, "Biiiig huuuug!" persona, I doubt that the authoritarians among them ever really left us.

No. Thank god he's not.

However, in emulating him, Cameron is hardly followng in Thatcher's stilletos is he?
Well, Blair's attitude to the Global Britain, criminal Justice and the Economy could certainly allow him to hide in the 1980's blue camp if he so wished. The effect of Thatcherism on both his style and substance is certainly obvious to us centrists that remain skeptical of New Labour, though there are also definite signs of a deliberate dumbing down of that aspect of his character in a need to remain relatively populist. I think if Cameron did want to represent the lady in the blue dress in the current climate, he would probably have needed to take the same approach regardless of the PM's take on things.

Looks like hes trying to go back to One nation conservisism. Possibly updated for political realism, globalisation, popularism and pragmatism.

gay marriage
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/view.php?id=1769

and war?
Well... there's this article?
http://www.boris-johnson.com/archives/2005/11/bush_and_aljazeera.php

Boris is a little on the flamboyant side of the conservative party, but he is quite good at representing average Joe Blue. Generally, the conservative line is "Well I'm glad we invaded Iraq, since Saddam is gone, but it was a really messy scrap that we were tricked into following and we'd quite like to wrap it up and get out of there now thankyouverymuch".

Other than that, they are quite nationalistic, but certainly not enough to be considered expansionist.

I'm a member of Conservative Future (Under 21 branch of the Conservative Party), and so consider myself to be a future tory voter. Basically, what do you think of David Cameron and his policies, could a he be a good Prime Minister in 2009/10?

No.

No.

No.

No fucking way.

David Cameron is just the latest cuddly face on the deeply right-wing Conservative party (granted their last one was more like Hanibal Lecter but IDC and Hague were cuddly :rolleyes: ). He is just the bait in the trap which will see the privatisation of the NHS and suchlike accelerated and even more poverty and unemployment :( .

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Well, that's good.

Boris is a little on the flamboyant side of the conservative party, but he is quite good at representing average Joe Blue. Generally, the conservative line is "Well I'm glad we invaded Iraq, since Saddam is gone, but it was a really messy scrap that we were tricked into following and we'd quite like to wrap it up and get out of there now thankyouverymuch".
So, he claims to have an idiot’s opinion of the war. Looks like your politicians aren't so different from ours.
Other than that, they are quite nationalistic, but certainly not enough to be considered expansionist.
If they are in any way in the way of globalization, then I am opposed to them. Not like that amounts to much, seeing as I've never so much as set foot in Britain.

So, he claims to have an idiot’s opinion of the war. Looks like your politicians aren't so different from ours.
To quote Marx,

Don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.

I'm a member of Conservative Future (Under 21 branch of the Conservative Party), and so consider myself to be a future tory voter. Basically, what do you think of David Cameron and his policies, could a he be a good Prime Minister in 2009/10?

How did you get caught up in that organization?

To quote Marx,
Don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.

Zing!