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I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):

So, Lois Lane is a Single Mom . . . & a Slut: Notes on "Superman Returns"
By Debbie Schlussel

So Lois Lane is a single mother . . . and a slut. That's the most disturbing part of "Superman Returns," heavily marketed to kids and in theaters tonight.

Or is that "Lois and Her Feelings," co-starring Supe? That's what this dull, 2-hour 33-minute long latest rendition in the Superman series seemed like.

A better version would have been more relevant. It's great that new Superman Brandon Routh saluted America's troops as "the real Super Heroes," a tie-in with Warner Brothers Pictures' effort to send a million plus postcards of support to troops overseas.

But put your money where your mouth is. In World War II, Superman's comic book inventors had him fighting the Nazis. Today, they won't dare show him fighting contemporary Nazis -- Islamofascists. Lex Luthor working with Al-Qaeda terrorists, with both evil forces getting defeated -- now that would have been dynamic and exciting, a great plot. But, unfortunately, too politically incorrect, current, and exciting for the Hollywood culturatti. Maybe that's why "Truth, Justice & the American Way," is now just "Truth & Justice (and all that other stuff)." Though, the studio didn't have a problem lying to its prospective American audience by using the American flag and the full phrase (including "The AMERICAN Way")--both absent in the movie--in promotional posters for the movie.

Some have asked whether Superman is still relevant post-9/11. He would be... if he were fighting the post-9/11 enemy and being a man while doing so.

Instead, we get a dumbed down, girlie-man version of Superman in "Superman Returns." Like every sensitive, slacker metrosexual, Supe's gone off for five years to "discover himself." In the meantime, Lex Luthor gets out of prison because Supe failed to show up to testify at his trial. And the dullest Lois Lane ever has a child out of wedlock. Nice message to send to your kids who will be begging to see this. No smoking lectures by Superman and plugs for tofu sandwiches got a lot of play though. Script-writers were more concerned with that kind of health than the splendid problems single motherhood brings.

In what is more reminiscent of a Maury Povich "Who's the Daddy?" show than a Superman plot, Lois apparently slept around and thinks the cutesy kid--very annoying and distracting in the film--is her fiance's child, not that of the other guy she was simultaneously sleeping with--the Man of Steel.

Hard to still call him that, because in this film he's far less muscular. Even the formerly bright red of his cape is now a muted, dingy brownish-burgundy. All masculinity is toned down, in favor of the testosterone of career woman Lois, who doesn't believe in marriage. Too busy riding the space shuttle.

That hardly makes her spectacular. Kate Bosworth has nothing on Margot Kidder (aside from her far-left wackoism) or even Terry Hatcher. Their renditions of Ms. Lane were far superior. Bosworth's is as ho-hum as the lady at the supermarket looking for her Clairol fix. The only thing that seems apropos is Lane's Pulitzer Prize for her "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman." It's the work of unethical journalism--a "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" manifesto by a jilted lover against her boyfriend.

In the real world's Daily Planet a/k/a The New York Times, the "Pulitzer-level" stuff is "Why Al-Qaeda is Less Dangerous to the World Than President Bush."
And by the way, there's no Internet in this movie--a glaring absence when Lois' editor is lecturing about what sells newspapers. Uh, nothing sells newspapers these days. They're in rapid decline.

There are no memorable lines like the ones Margot Kidder's Lois uttered to Christopher Reeve's Supe: "You've got me? Who's got you?"

More like, who's got this movie?

With a $300 million budget, Warner Brothers must have a hit with this film. There's so much marketing hype and so many product tie-ins, it will be hard for it to fail. And with newcomer Brandon Routh's spot on impersonation of Christopher Reeve playing Clark Kent/Supe, he's not as difficult to adjust to as Bosworth's Lois. His imitation invites the comparison, and he doesn't live up to it. Christopher Reeve can smile from the grave that he died undefeated champion of Superman portrayals.

"Supe Returns" writers also paid too much attention to the accuracy of minute and unimportant details, such as the fact that Kryptonite was found in Addis Ababa. But who cares about those things?

Is that more important than the messages projected to America's kids--especially girls who may want to emulate Lois Lane? And is it more important than an exciting, believable, and relevant plot? Hardly.

Still, aside from its dullness and the poor examples it sets for kids, "Superman Returns" is a fun, escapist film.

But nothing to write home--or even, Krypton--about.
This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...

The movie sucked anyway...

I haven't seen it, but I did suspect that Superman had become a bit of a poof. Not to mention that he doesn't really have any great enemies. Lex Luthor? C'mon. Batman has the Joker, the X-Men have Dark Phoenix. Superman gets a fucking businessman?

ROFL...

It's fucking comic book fiction for mod's sake.

I haven't seen it, but I did suspect that Superman had become a bit of a poof. Not to mention that he doesn't really have any great enemies. Lex Luthor? C'mon. Batman has the Joker, the X-Men have Dark Phoenix. Superman gets a fucking businessman?
I don't know about that. Some businessmen are pretty damn scary. Imagine if Ken Lay was alive and running your company (into the ground).

I haven't seen the movie... and probably won't, so with that being said...

Lois is a single mother? WTF!

I haven't seen the movie, but that reviewer has their priorities out of whack in my opinion.

I don't know about that. Some businessmen are pretty damn scary. Imagine if Ken Lay was alive and running your company (into the ground).

I especially liked the plot of SIII: I'm going to take all of the world's oil, and put it in the middle of the ocean! God, he must be the devil incarnate.

I liked it, although someone was complaining to my husband yesterday about it being "too religious" :rolleyes:

it's a freakin movie!!!!! grow up!

[/short rant]

I especially liked the plot of SIII: I'm going to take all of the world's oil, and put it in the middle of the ocean! God, he must be the devil incarnate.
Superman III or IV: the quest for peace?

I liked it, although someone was complaining to my husband yesterday about it being "too religious" :rolleyes:

it's a freakin movie!!!!! grow up!

[/short rant]
go and find the short Comic Series "The Dark Knight Returns II"

the Church of Superman is started. :D

go and find the short Comic Series "The Dark Knight Returns II"

the Church of Superman is started. :D
yeah, got it. My husband is a Superman freak, he says the movie was "okay" and that the people who are bitching about it (both sides) are idiots.

I believe him. ;)

Someone please give her a copy of Superman:Red Son. Please?

Or one of Kingdom Come (and the sequel).

Just to watch her explode.

Superman III or IV: the quest for peace?

Three. That's what I said.

Someone please give her a copy of Superman:Red Son. Please?

Or one of Kingdom Come (and the sequel).

Just to watch her explode.
Kingdom Come was pretty good. it goes to show how far one person can be pushed.

read Red Son. meh. was never a real superman fan anyway.

I do like the Elseworld stories. the one where Clark was not found by the Kents, but the Waynes. and he grew up as Bruce Wayne (complete with parents dying) was a pretty good story.

I do like the Elseworld stories. the one where Clark was not found by the Kents, but the Waynes. and he grew up as Bruce Wayne (complete with parents dying) was a pretty good story.
I love Elseworld stories, and that one was awesome, I was always more of a Batman girl than a Superman girl anyway.......gotta love a superhero without special powers....

Kingdom Come was pretty good. it goes to show how far one person can be pushed.

read Red Son. meh. was never a real superman fan anyway.



Kingdom Come was damn good. Red Son, just because it makes him a commie would get her so het up :p

Only parrallel world stuff I've seen is the Planetary book where they ran into about a half-dozen alternate batmans which was rather cool. And Planetary are something totally else to the regular sueperhero run (Imagine the Authority as a movie... then the righties would get apoplexies!)

Kingdom Come was damn good. Red Son, just because it makes him a commie would get her so het up :p

Only parrallel world stuff I've seen is the Planetary book where they ran into about a half-dozen alternate batmans which was rather cool. And Planetary are something totally else to the regular sueperhero run (Imagine the Authority as a movie... then the righties would get apoplexies!)
Red Son is an elseworld story

I like the fact that almost everyone else is pairing Superman with Wonder Woman.

has anyone read "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" essay...

it delves into the marital problems of Superman and Lois Lane. :D

Oh and you should check out Elseworlds. they delve into the what if's, like Batman as a vampire.
Superman ran for President
Batman alive and well in the Wild West...

even some in Medival Times. Sir Batman and Sir Superman... :D

I haven't seen the movie, but that reviewer has their priorities out of whack in my opinion.

Yeah, seriously. Superman isn't super-enough cuz he's not fighting terrorists?

Would this Debbie blogger complain if, in the 60s, a Superman movie didn't involve fighting Vietnamese guerillas? I'm thinking yes.

Forget the terrorists. We need superman to battle the Neocons!

Superman vs. Dick Cheney. :eek:

She sounds more like a social conservative with a militaristic bent. A neoconservative doesn't tend to be excessively socially conservative.

Forget the terrorists. We need superman to battle the Neocons!

Superman vs. Dick Cheney. :eek:
*Dick Cheney unleashes the power of Heart Diesease on Superman*

I'd love to read her review of the Barnyard movie. A cow that's suppossed to be a boy. So, is that a gender-bending cow, or is it a bull with four penises?

I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):


This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...


As soon as you attacked her your post lost all power. Please don't do that next time and leave people to their rights.

*Dick Cheney unleashes the power of Heart Diesease on Superman*

No, Dick Cheney is Metallo. His pacemaker is powered by Kryptonite!

She sounds more like a social conservative with a militaristic bent. A neoconservative doesn't tend to be excessively socially conservative.
That's a common mistake amongst the American liberal population. Anything that is starchly conservative--under the American definition--is automatically labled neoconservative, despite not always necessarily actually being neocon-ish.

Didn't you get the memo?

Hollywood was created to attack Christian, conservative, republican, and neocon viewpoints.

I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):


This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...

It just reminds me of Dan "Potatoe" Quayle's "Murphy Brown is a real person" rant againt single parents :D

After reading that Phelpish rant that calls itself a movie review a second time, a funny thought just occurred.

Debbie Schlussel would have soaked her panties if the movie had been about Superman beating the crap out of Ra'as Al-Ghul.

Think about it. A long-lived Middle-Eastern mastermind extremist who's also an environmentalist. A solid composite of everything the Hard Right despises!

:D

Forget the terrorists. We need superman to battle the Neocons!

Superman vs. Dick Cheney. :eek:

At least that would show some balls.
I have some sympathy for this author in that I fond it pathetic that these comic super hero’s seem to have kids and girlfriends who are tougher than they are and fight enemies that are nothing like the ones they would face in reality.

It just defies credibility.:headbang:

I'm not going to see it because Superman WAS an American hero with the motto "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" and they replaced it with "Truth, Justice, and all that stuff" :upyours:

Now he's an international hero...oh boy :rolleyes:

It just defies credibility.:headbang:
Of course, flying and x-ray vision are totally plausible...

As soon as you attacked her your post lost all power. Please don't do that next time and leave people to their rights.

Oh for goodness sake. Do you bruise your forehead kneejerking like that? I though conservatives of all stripes hate PC circumspection.

There's nothing wrong with calling an ass an ass.

Ass.

Oh for goodness sake. Do you bruise your forehead kneejerking like that? I though conservatives of all stripes hate PC circumspection.

There's nothing wrong with calling an ass an ass.

Ass.

Surprised? Suiko does feel sorry for Kenny Boy Lay after all.

I'm not going to see it because Superman WAS an American hero with the motto "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" and they replaced it with "Truth, Justice, and all that stuff" :upyours:

Now he's an international hero...oh boy :rolleyes:
oh man... that sucks.

all that stuff... :rolleyes:

I would rather "Faster than a speeding bullet..."

I'm not going to see it because Superman WAS an American hero with the motto "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" and they replaced it with "Truth, Justice, and all that stuff" :upyours:

Now he's an international hero...oh boy :rolleyes:
Line from a character, not a motto. Man, get off the teat-you're old enough for solid food.

I fail to see how being 'international' in scope makes Superman any less effective as a crime-fighter.

Oh for goodness sake. Do you bruise your forehead kneejerking like that? I though conservatives of all stripes hate PC circumspection.

There's nothing wrong with calling an ass an ass.

Ass.



Fine you ass.:rolleyes:

Surprised? Suiko does feel sorry for Kenny Boy Lay after all.



I have respect for life....bad person I am.:rolleyes:

I have respect for life....bad person I am.:rolleyes:

What's so great about life?

What's so great about life?


If you have to ask nothing I would say could change your mind. Remember peoples connections to each other, family and love. Life.

What's so great about life?
Life is short; filled with stuff -
Don't know what for, I ain't had enough

I learned all I know by the age of nine
But I could better myself - if I could only find

Some new kind of kick!
Something I ain't had -
Some new kind of buzz!
I wanna go hog mad...

I fail to see how being 'international' in scope makes Superman any less effective as a crime-fighter.
Well, obviously if an alien is orphaned on this planet he's obligated to only do good for one country...it only makes sense...




...no, wait...

I'm not going to see it because Superman WAS an American hero with the motto "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" and they replaced it with "Truth, Justice, and all that stuff" :upyours:

Now he's an international hero...oh boy :rolleyes:
Because we all know that only the United States of America deserves a superhero. Everyone else can just go burn in hell for not being American. Filthy unAmerican pigs.

If you have to ask nothing I would say could change your mind. Remember peoples connections to each other, family and love. Life.

Ok you love life and all that but... you like Ken Lay? :confused:

Because we all know that only the United States of America deserves a superhero. Everyone else can just go burn in hell for not being American. Filthy unAmerican pigs.


Well superman was invented by an american and lives and works in america..so....

Well superman was invented by a Canadian and lives and works in america..so....
Fixed, for accuracy.

Ok you love life and all that but... you like Ken Lay? :confused:



Who said I like him? I just don't think he deserved to die and laughing about his death was tacky.

Well superman was invented by an american and lives and works in america..so....
Actually, he was invented by a Canadian.

Well, obviously if an alien is orphaned on this planet he's obligated to only do good for one country...it only makes sense...




...no, wait...

I don't see what's new here. Didn't Superman address the UN in the movie Superman IV? Or was DesignatedMarksman too young to remember that?

Actually, he was invented by a Canadian.




Created by Canadian artist Joe Shuster and American writer Jerry Siegel in 1932 while both were growing up in Cleveland, Ohio,


Both lived in america and one was american.

Who said I like him? I just don't think he deserved to die and laughing about his death was tacky.

So you think he deserved a cookie for his earth-shattering work at Enron? Letters of sincere sympathy for the thousands he screwed?

Both lived in america and one was american.
Your point being? Even so, Superman the character was actually from another planet, so it doesn't matter anyway. The U.N. has its headquarters in New York City, New York, United States of America. Does that make it subject completely to the United States? No.

Well, it's all rather besides the point, as we all of course know the full extent to which Superman Is A Dick (http://www.superdickery.com/dick/11.html).

"You'll note this is the start of a trend where Superman feels obliged to prevent anyone he knows from ever knowing the sweet, sweet taste of anything remotely resembling success."

Your point being? Even so, Superman the character was actually from another planet, so it doesn't matter anyway. The U.N. has its headquarters in New York City, New York, United States of America. Does that make it subject completely to the United States? No.



Ugh. :headbang: Nevermind. :rolleyes:

So you think he deserved a cookie for his earth-shattering work at Enron? Letters of sincere sympathy for the thousands he screwed?

Prison now drop it!

Prison now drop it!
Drop what - the soap?

Anyway,

http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/1027_4_115.jpg

if nothing else proves the S-man is a total dick, this surely does the trick.

I especially liked the plot of SIII: I'm going to take all of the world's oil, and put it in the middle of the ocean! God, he must be the devil incarnate.

Huh? Wasn't III having Superman duke it out with three criminals from Krypton?

Huh? Wasn't III having Superman duke it out with three criminals from Krypton?
That was Superman II.

If you have to ask nothing I would say could change your mind. Remember peoples connections to each other, family and love. Life.

You would be singing a different tune if it was your life being ruined by his.

http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/1296_4_063.jpg

But while Supes is a dick, Lois and Lana are, and always have been thick as bricks. Good call Superman.

God bless neocons and their unintentional provision of countless horus of liberal entertainment

God bless neocons and their unintentional provision of countless horus of liberal entertainment
http://communityneu.klz.apa.net/magnolie/images/horus.jpg
Horus agrees.

I don't see what's new here. Didn't Superman address the UN in the movie Superman IV? Or was DesignatedMarksman too young to remember that?
I believe he did, though I didn't watch that one. If something as stupid as a line is going to bug him that much, he'd really hate this:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4028/159/1600/eaglepunch.jpg

That was Superman II.

So which one was the one where he had to fight some wierd clone of himself? The one that was born by chucking a big bunch of nukes into the sun?

You know what hurts the nationalist wannabes so much about the fact that Superman isn't going "American Way" anymore? Simple: Superman is someone inherently blessed, that came from "high above" (or heaven, if you will), is destined to be the leader of sorts, to make ideology-based calls between good and evil and has the power to enforce said calls. Superman has "manifest destiny" written all over him. And neocons want that manifest destiny so bad that it reminds me of a pedophile in Disneyworld. They get furious when they see that destiny - that CB copy of Jesus, if you will - shared with anyone that isn't American, conservative, and, preferably, southern. Quod erat demonstrandum the fact that this neocon girl that revised the movie was ranting against Lois - the person Superman protects, and loves, the most - being a single mother, something which neocons despise.

So which one was the one where he had to fight some wierd clone of himself? The one that was born by chucking a big bunch of nukes into the sun?
Nukes into the sun was IV.

I was Luthor setting off an earthquake to sink the west coast to make the real estate he bought inland worth more.

II was Kryptonian prisoners being released on earth. I think that this is also the one where he loses his powers for moment, but that could be III

III Richard Pryor tries to rip off his boss by taking the rounded pennies off transactions and then being forced to find out how to synthisize kryptonite, replacing an unknown ingredient with tar because that was on a pack of cigarettes he had. Creates an evil Superman. Fights himself, fucks with the Eiffel Tower.

IV he rids the world of nukes and fights the clone sun guy.

I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):


This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...
This is why we do not listen to the Neo-Cons. In general they have problems recognizing other's viewpoints. Or reason.

This is why we do not listen to the Neo-Cons. In general they have problems recognizing other's viewpoints. Or reason.

Or reality. Or sanity.

Or reality. Or sanity.

That's because reality has a well known liberal bias. :p

That's because reality has a well known liberal bias. :p
Reality is also usually far funnier than the neocons' own sense of humour allows them to detect, which is how the American Left can give rise to an Al Franken, while the best the Right can manage is the venomous Anne Coulter.

I haven't seen it, but I did suspect that Superman had become a bit of a poof. Not to mention that he doesn't really have any great enemies. Lex Luthor? C'mon. Batman has the Joker, the X-Men have Dark Phoenix. Superman gets a fucking businessman?

Bit of a poof? I've only seen the trailer and he stops a bullet with his eye at point blank range - I'd like to see you do that!!!! :p

That's because reality has a well known liberal bias. :p
You win this thread.

What's more hilarious is that she didn't pick up that "man of steel" is what Iosef Stalin's name meant.

Then she could have had single, slutty, pinko mother!

The law of 3!

What's more hilarious is that she didn't pick up that "man of steel" is what Iosef Stalin's name meant.

Then she could have had single, slutty, pinko mother!

The law of 3!
Oh, oh, and then she could rail about how that's an insult to the Holy Trinity of Christianity and how it's all a plot to make people communistic athiests!

Anyway,

http://www.superdickery.com/images/dick/1027_4_115.jpg

if nothing else proves the S-man is a total dick, this surely does the trick.
Wtf? Why is Superman such an asshole? I never liked him much anyways. I'll take the X-Men for my superheros anyday.

Wtf? Why is Superman such an asshole? I never liked him much anyways. I'll take the X-Men for my superheros anyday.
You gotta love how Supes is just standing there, grinning, as his best pal Jimmy Olsen and his team-mate Aquaman are both about ready to keel over dead from dehydration. What a dick!

You gotta love how Supes is just standing there, grinning, as his best pal Jimmy Olsen and his team-mate Aquaman are both about ready to keel over dead from dehydration. What a dick!
I know. What kind of super hero is he? Super jerk is more like it.

Oh, oh, and then she could rail about how that's an insult to the Holy Trinity of Christianity and how it's all a plot to make people communistic athiests!
Yeah, exactly. See?

I can do this neocon thing way better than that talentless fool!

Oh, oh, and then she could rail about how that's an insult to the Holy Trinity of Christianity and how it's all a plot to make people communistic athiests!
When Lex Luthor is defeating Superman with the kryptonite, Supe falls three times before falling to the abyss and his death. He later comes back to life.

I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):


This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...


:D Thank you. I love it when idiots complain about the movie not being what they think it should be about.

Not that I'll ever watch it.

You just explained why conservatives and a lot of americans in general do not like Liberals, you think like that. You think everybody against you lacks reason or intelligence and just can't see other peoples viewpoints. Why so many liberals do that I'll never understand.
Yeah, like how they insist that people live in heterosexual pairs, call anyone who critisizes a war traitors, insist that government institutions enforce thier god...no, wait...

Seriously, that's not very well thought through. I don't think you really understand the argument well enough to be making criticisms...

Obviously, because anybody who isn't a good little Liberal must be insane. That is pretty much what you just said.

Of coourse, some of us Liberals are also insane. Look at me, I'm a Penguin! Quack quack quack. :p

Yeah, like how they insist that people live in heterosexual pairs, call anyone who critisizes a war traitors, insist that government institutions enforce thier god...no, wait...

Seriously, that's not very well thought through. I don't think you really understand the argument well enough to be making criticisms...


Like how Liberals insist all alternatives to marrige be legal, call anyone who supports the war a killer, insist that government institutions enforce atheism....no,wait.....


I don't think you understand the argument enough to make criticisms...Remember, Liberals do everything bad that Conservatives do, just with a Liberal bias.

Obviously, because anybody who isn't a good little Liberal must be insane.
Anne Coulter would appear to make that argument quite well for you, my dear.

Of coourse, some of us Liberals are also insane. Look at me, I'm a Penguin! Quack quack quack. :p



Atleast you have a sense of humor.

Maybe this weird stuff is what's to come for the yanks?
http://accstudios.com/f/accproduct.htm

"Series concept: What if today's anti-war Liberals were in charge of the American government and had been since 9/11? What would that society look like in the year 2021? What would be the results of fighting “a more sensitive war on terror” and looking to the corrupt United Nations to solve all of America 's problems? In Liberality For All , the reader sees a vision of that future where there is only one justified type of war…the war against Conservatives and their ideals"

Like how Liberals insist all alternatives to marrige be legal

All alternatives? Like what? I don't remember saying that.

Call anyone who supports the war a killer

I thought we called the soldiers killers :p

insist that government institutions enforce atheism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

FYI, Don't use Wikipedia as it is written by regular people and is untrustworthy. Not really a good source.

Actually, Wikipedia is just as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's a valid source.

Actually, Wikipedia is just as accurate as the Encyclopedia Britannica. It's a valid source.


Wikipedia is written by average users and is also simplified and leaves out important information. It's like cliff notes, try look at their World War 2 page, see how much was left out due to space limits.

Wikipedia is written by average users and is also simplified and leaves out important information. It's like cliff notes, try look at their World War 2 page, see how much was left out due to space limits.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-12-14-nature-wiki_x.htm

It's about as reliable as an Encyclopedia.

Of course, if you don't like facts, then it's probably a bad source.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-12-14-nature-wiki_x.htm

It's about as reliable as an Encyclopedia.

Of course, if you don't like facts, then it's probably a bad source.


SAN FRANCISCO — Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that relies on volunteers to pen nearly 4 million articles, is about as accurate in covering scientific topics as Encyclopedia Britannica, the journal Nature wrote in an online article published Wednesday.


It just says scientific topics.

Like how Liberals insist all alternatives to marrige be legal, call anyone who supports the war a killer, insist that government institutions enforce atheism....no,wait.....


I don't think you understand the argument enough to make criticisms...Remember, Liberals do everything bad that Conservatives do, just with a Liberal bias.
See you really don't. Not "all" just that homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else. Silly us, wanting to live up to the ideal. And I love how that forces anyone else to do anything-I mean that constitutional amendment insists that the hetero couples attend the weddings with fruitcake...Oh, no... just allow someone else to do something and takes nothing away from you, no amendment. Yeah, what a total lack of understanding.

Enforce atheism? Not take a stand one way or another "enforces atheism"? Having the government be nutral on religion so that citizens make thier own choices on what god they worship or if they worship at all, what a total lack of understanding.

Let's go to the board on the discussion at hand, the criticism of Superman Returns:
So Lois Lane is a single mother . . . and a slut. That's the most disturbing part of "Superman Returns," heavily marketed to kids and in theaters tonight.
Oh no! Lois Lane is a single mother-the horror, THE HORROR!!! And it's marketed to kids! My god, children of single parents might see their families on the screen and not think they're a total freak. (waaaaaaaiiiit a second...didn't that little kid call someone daddy? Oh yeah...) My god, we can't have people making those kinds of dicisions.

So in this case, the conservative view presented: People must live in pairs, only one unit is acceptable.

Whats being mocked by the evil non-understanding liberals? It's not for us to insist how Lois lives.

Lets go to the understand-o-meter and check the score...Oh, sorry conservatives, you've failed to understand a different choice. Better luck on the next round.

Lois is a slut.

Because if she has sex with a chisled, handsome man who rescues kittens and cities, can fly, crush coal into diamonds, is the only one of his kind, is willing to go back in time to save your life-and can, man of steel, then why-she'll give it up to anyone.

Liberal mocking of this view-we have no say in who Lois has sex with and while it's perfectly okay for the rest of woman kind to not want to have sex with Superman, we can see why Lois might want to, and frankly it's non of our business.

Conservatives? Get a ring on that man from another planet and involve him in a ritual of our planet before he gets any, otherwise she's a slut-THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Understand-o-meter? Oh, sorry conservative windbag-thats two...well maybe she'll get one soon.

Instead, we get a dumbed down, girlie-man version of Superman in "Superman Returns." Like every sensitive, slacker metrosexual, Supe's gone off for five years to "discover himself." In the meantime, Lex Luthor gets out of prison because Supe failed to show up to testify at his trial. And the dullest Lois Lane ever has a child out of wedlock. Nice message to send to your kids who will be begging to see this. No smoking lectures by Superman and plugs for tofu sandwiches got a lot of play though. Script-writers were more concerned with that kind of health than the splendid problems single motherhood brings.
Yeah, after saving the world and imprisoning a master criminal Superman has the audacity to see if his homeworld might have actually survived. What a pussy. And messages like eating healthy and avoiding cigarettes, things that has an effect to thier lives now, since there's junk food in the lobby for them and cigarettes not too much harder to obtain is a waste to show to kids, I mean it's only immediately relivant. No, far more dangerous is the esoteric threat that when they eventually reach sexual maturity and are able they might think years back to that one movie they watched when they where 10 and go, "Well, it's good for Superman in that one movie-must be okay."

Conservative view? Superman must be a man-no feelings, no longing for his home. And remember the priority tree: Fidelity>health. Dick.

Liberals that are mocking it? If he wants to spend time with that boyish curl to his hair, that's his deal-apparently doesn't take that much time anyway. Want to find your homeworld? Makes sense, up to you Supes.

Understand-o-meter? Oh man, looking bad conservative insisting that it's you who understand opposing views. Well, it's a long article...

Hard to still call him that, because in this film he's far less muscular. Even the formerly bright red of his cape is now a muted, dingy brownish-burgundy. All masculinity is toned down, in favor of the testosterone of career woman Lois, who doesn't believe in marriage. Too busy riding the space shuttle.

That hardly makes her spectacular. Kate Bosworth has nothing on Margot Kidder (aside from her far-left wackoism) or even Terry Hatcher. Their renditions of Ms. Lane were far superior. Bosworth's is as ho-hum as the lady at the supermarket looking for her Clairol fix. The only thing that seems apropos is Lane's Pulitzer Prize for her "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman." It's the work of unethical journalism--a "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" manifesto by a jilted lover against her boyfriend.
Superman isn't cut enough, it seems. Though this dude was in better shape then Reeves, but let's not let that interupt the screed.

The cape is more muted, he's HORRIBLE!!!

And that silly Margo Lane, having a career and being driven. That kid seems pretty involved with his parents, but still...riding in space shuttles...(actually, she rode in the mule that carried the shuttle, but details aren't our authors strong point...) We, little girls might think that they have a place other than the kitchen and the delivery room! That whore!

Conservative view presented? Get out of that career and into that kitchen...and are those shoes on those feet?

Liberals mocking the article? Lois can have a career if she wants it, she's obviously good at it...not our place to say.

Understand-o-meter...Oh man, are you sure that things not broken? Let's check, just for sec put a point on the conservative screed side...yeah, it works. Well, maybe they'll score eventually.

"Supe Returns" writers also paid too much attention to the accuracy of minute and unimportant details, such as the fact that Kryptonite was found in Addis Ababa. But who cares about those things?

Is that more important than the messages projected to America's kids--especially girls who may want to emulate Lois Lane? And is it more important than an exciting, believable, and relevant plot? Hardly.
Yeah, how dare the film spend time in the mythos of a popular character thats been part of the cultural land scape for decades. No, it's more important that it enforce a conservative view then get the details right. Because sci-fi and comic fans who form the base for this character have a great history of being forgiving and not noticing when someone doesn't get the details right.

Conservative view being mocked: Forget the details, propogandize.

Liberals mocking her: It's a Superman movie. It should at it's core be about a man sent from another planet to earth who saves us from cartoonish super villians who concoct ridiculous and murderous real estate schemes and worries about his only weakness. Certainly not our place to get on someone about making a Superman movie about Superman.

Let's go to the board-Oh, my. A total shut out.

But yeah, sure. Rock yourself to sleep with your fairy tale that conservatives understand other points of view and it's the evul liberuls that don't understand anyone else. Because that's totally supported by the argument presented.

I haven't seen it, but I did suspect that Superman had become a bit of a poof. Not to mention that he doesn't really have any great enemies. Lex Luthor? C'mon. Batman has the Joker, the X-Men have Dark Phoenix. Superman gets a fucking businessman?

Luthor is an interesting foil to superman just like the joker is to batman. Superman is a near invunerable superhero who hides who he is by pretending to be an average person. Luthor is a genius and a brilliant business man who instead of hiding behind an alias commits crimes just as lex luthor. That and read red sun. He beats superman with a phrase which on its own shows how amazing this guy is. He beats the man of steel with a punch line.

Wikipedia is written by average users and is also simplified and leaves out important information. It's like cliff notes, try look at their World War 2 page, see how much was left out due to space limits.

Here's what I see on that page.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/WWII.jpg

Along with

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/WWII2.jpg

Well duh, of course you can't get the entirety of WWII on one page. And look, it's all sourced, along with more external references.

FYI, I am a agnostic and christmas bugs me, but I don't try to get rid of it.:rolleyes:

Why? Christimas has essentially nothing to do with Christianity.

Why? Christimas has essentially nothing to do with Christianity.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas


Yes it does. I don't like using wikipedia, but its the best I could do on short notice.

Here's what I see on that page.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/WWII.jpg

Along with

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/WWII2.jpg

Well duh, of course you can't get the entirety of WWII on one page. And look, it's all sourced, along with more external references.


Can't read it too small. I would rather read a book on WW2. The rise and fall of the third reich is good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas


Yes it does. I don't like using wikipedia, but its the best I could do on short notice.

Well, of course the "true meaning" of Christmas is supposed to be the birth of Christ and all that, but to look around at how Christmas is done now, you can't see that unless you stumble over a manger scene is someone's front lawn. Santa Claus, stockings, reindeer, snowmen, etc. All are part of a more corporate version of Christmas that focuses on giving gifts rather than on the birth of a religious figure.

And don't be too ashamed to link Wiki here. Providing some kind of source is better than just saying "nu-uh!", which happens here a lot.

maybe you should go back and read the thread on the next civil rights battle. Most people here support Polygamy. Maybe you should do further research before you make a blanket claim ummk? FYI, I am gay so don't pull that BS on me.
Don't cry to me if the conservatives are pushing the first two amendments to restrict our rights since prohibition.

And even if it was a majority position of the liberals that polygomy be allowed it would still not force you to marry more than one person and is still more understanding of a different view point than insisting that people you won't meet live the way you want them too. Maybe you should think this shit through, gay or not.




Then why remove all christian holidays of calenders? Why deny some religions the right to march on public land? Secularism is the government being NEUTRAL in all ways, and that includes all courts. Not the fact here. Do some more research and get back to me ummmk?:rolleyes: FYI, make sure its a non-bias one..better yet ten!


FYI, I am a agnostic and christmas bugs me, but I don't try to get rid of it.:rolleyes:
Why don't you do some research and prove that they're trying to take it off all the calenders before you parrot that Bill O'Rielly bullshit? Religous people have the same access to public land that everyone else has, just not privilaged access. I know, I know, they're sooo used to prvilage how will they ever live without...

FYI: The war on Christmas is a boogeyman that exists primarily in Bill O'Rielly's rating reports.

Superman was an unentertaining superhero anyways by the time I was a kid. He is a wimp, has no solid villans, too politically centered on being a damn communist, and a horrible dresser. He was entirely too overpowered to the point where every mugger in the city had to have cryptonite, which was suposed to be much more rare in the begining comic. And he had to fight the big business villans, it made Captian Planet look like a right wing nut. Superman just plain sucked and the new movie was just done because the old actor woke up from his coama and then died.

Thanks for that completely pointless rant. And the last part is just Mchael Moore talking, do some research before shooting off like that. But I won't hold my breath. *Yawns* I am so sick of this, I am gonna watch grass grow to cure my boredom. I leave you to your incorrect ideas, this no longer humors me.
You don't want to support your bullshit claims? Not really suprised, they might turn out to be wrong...

I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):


This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...

You are absolutely right Rhaomi. This fundy nutcase feels that she is better than a single mom. Not all moms can control when they get pregnant, because you can't control if the condom slips off or when birth control might fail.

I hate republicans with this moral stuff. I wish we could finally move away from religions and start to focus on curing diseases and helping people. Perhaps this reviewer could be lobbying for more government-sponsered childcare to help single moms than condemning them.

Thanks for that completely pointless rant. And the last part is just Mchael Moore talking, do some research before shooting off like that. But I won't hold my breath. *Yawns* I am so sick of this, I am gonna watch grass grow to cure my boredom. I leave you to your incorrect ideas, this no longer humors me.

Empress Suiko, I completely disagree with you and support cannot think of a name. I'm tired of people like you who claim this is a christian nation, when all the evidence I've read shows that most Americans hated religion at the time of the founding and thought it was destructive. If you want, there is a good video on the ACLU website that shows this clearly.

As soon as you attacked her your post lost all power. Please don't do that next time and leave people to their rights.

What the fuck does that mean? If you're in the pulic eye and make a living as a (loud) mouth-piece then you're fair game.

I looked up web site. Its the usual bunch of on-the-edge-of-hysteria rants, with large lashings of Arab bashing. His description is apt.

Like you did? *Yawns*, give it a rest and find something else to cry about will you?
I made a detailed argument that directly refuted your claims, you went, "Do some research." Sorry sis, burdoen of proof is on you. I proved the balance of view in this thread-you want to prove we eat babies or whatever nonsense, pony the fuck up, don't go "Do some research." Doesn't fly, Orville.

What the fuck does that mean? If you're in the pulic eye and make a living as a (loud) mouth-piece then you're fair game.

I looked up web site. Its the usual bunch of on-the-edge-of-hysteria rants, with large lashings of Arab bashing. His description is apt.



Ugh, It means don't attack people, no matter what they say.

*Yawns* Not really. Just a rant. *Yawns* My popcorn is done.....Look at that.

Stop yawning Empress, I didn't mean to attack you. You have such a beautiful name.

Ugh, It means don't attack people, no matter what they say.


Shes full of shite. You can take that as a personal attack if you want. However its true. Her stuff is venomous shite. "Fear mongerer" would seem to apply as well, as regards both Mexicans and Arabs.

*Yawns* Not really. Just a rant. *Yawns* My popcorn is done.....Look at that.


Give it a rest.

It loses its effectivness if you overdo it.

Stop yawning Empress, I didn't mean to attack you. You have such a beautiful name.



That quote wasn't direct at you. If the other guy would stop boring me I would stop yawning.

It loses its effectivness if you overdo it.


Im' sorry, I can't help it..he is just so boring.:headbang:

Im' sorry, I can't help it..he is just so boring.:headbang:

Yes you can. You just stop fucking typing it.

Ugh, It means don't attack people, no matter what they say.
While you're free to run amok attacking people as you please, without a care for your own little moral standard here. Hypocrisy from an American conservative? I'm shocked. Really, quite so. I would have never expected that.

Yes you can. You just stop fucking typing it.



I can't.........*Yawns*.....See.....*Yawns*......:headbang:

I can't.........*Yawns*.....See.....*Yawns*......:headbang:

O ha-ha.

Mind you, your compulsive urge to type out shite matches you well with the writer of the article in the OP.

Thanks for hijacking the thread.

*Yawns* I am an agnostic and a secularist. I was never nor do I ever intend to be a christian. Try not to make claims about people before you know where they stand. Ummmk?

ACLU? yeah that will happen. A bunch of atheists making videos supporting atheism....Nice non-biased source.

*Yawns* I am bored....hey look a knat!
If you're bored, imagine how the rest of us feel, reading the posts of a bored (and boring) dullard of no exceptional grace or talent.

Go watch a celebrity cooking show or something, dear.

Thanks for hijacking the thread.
Sorry man. You're right. This broke down a long time ago. I'll get back to it when it gets back on track. My bad.

Should give her a copy of Superman: True Brit

Get back to me when you stop posting rants and flames. Who am I kidding? I am done with you. :rolleyes:
Could you also be done with this thread?












Please?

Sorry man. You're right. This broke down a long time ago. I'll get back to it when it gets back on track. My bad.

As near as I could tell, it was Suiko who seriously started hijacking.

Now, I think this rant is absolutely hilarious, and shows just how... 'special' some people's minds are.

Oh wait. Was that offensive? It might have been offensive and attacking. Heaven forbid I do that and hurt someone's precious self-esteem.:rolleyes:

As soon as you attacked her your post lost all power. Please don't do that next time and leave people to their rights.
Not you again. Look. He attacked the blogger because she's completely full of tripe. You aren't the Nice Police. If you don't agree, just say so and let everyone else do what you want for the blogger -- speak their minds! WE will decide if the argument is weakened for any personal attacks, not you.

You aren't one of those drivers who blocks traffic by driving at the speed limit in the fast lane on the freeway, are you?

I can't.........*Yawns*.....See.....*Yawns*......:headbang:

Yes, thank you for taking some of your precious time to let the world know how bored you are instead of coming back with critically constructed rebuttals or just stop posting on this thread.

:rolleyes:

And you think Cindy Sheehan is an attention whore...

Line from a character, not a motto. Man, get off the teat-you're old enough for solid food.
L-O-bleeding-L! You had the words for what I was thinking. Right on.

Go away.


Since when do YOu get to order people around and tell people what they can and cannot say? :rolleyes:
Uh...I was just doing what YOU just did. See how annoying it is?

Uh...I was just doing what YOU just did. See how annoying it is?



One tiny flaw. I didn't personally attack him.

But put your money where your mouth is. In World War II, Superman's comic book inventors had him fighting the Nazis. Today, they won't dare show him fighting contemporary Nazis -- Islamofascists. Lex Luthor working with Al-Qaeda terrorists, with both evil forces getting defeated -- now that would have been dynamic and exciting, a great plot. But, unfortunately, too politically incorrect, current, and exciting for the Hollywood culturatti.

This was the bit that I found especially retarded. Remember when to have a column you had to have some sort of intelligence or insight?

Me neither, but because of the above comment of hers I feel that this woman's ignorant rambling does not deserve the printed word. DC Comics, the home of Superman has Batman fighting Al Queda. In other words, the exact complaint she's got, they've already addressed. If she's this ignorant about the genre, she shouldn't be commenting on it. I remain less ignorant without her input, why listen to people who actually serve to dispense negative information. Not information about bad things, but information that actually makes you dumber for having heard it.

Batman takes on Al Qaeda (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4717696.stm)

Go away.


Since when do YOu get to order people around and tell people what they can and cannot say? :rolleyes:

O sweet Baby Jesus...its an attention seeking whinger.....

Soon we'll have the "ADMIN, ADMIN, WHY DOST THOU LET THEM MARTYR ME?" rants out......

Go away.


Since when do YOu get to order people around and tell people what they can and cannot say? :rolleyes:

And just how is it that you feel free to post-whore, hijack threads, and generally rain on everybody's fucking parade and yet somehow not expect a comeuppance from the regulars on General?

You want to go be bored, go be bored. Just go be bored someplace where you aren't ruining it for other people.

Pillock.

Good lord.........This is so old..............Go flamebait somebody else, I am finished here. :rolleyes:

I thought you were finished here sometime on the last page? :confused:

You know what hurts the nationalist wannabes so much about the fact that Superman isn't going "American Way" anymore? Simple: Superman is someone inherently blessed, that came from "high above" (or heaven, if you will), is destined to be the leader of sorts, to make ideology-based calls between good and evil and has the power to enforce said calls. Superman has "manifest destiny" written all over him. And neocons want that manifest destiny so bad that it reminds me of a pedophile in Disneyworld. They get furious when they see that destiny - that CB copy of Jesus, if you will - shared with anyone that isn't American, conservative, and, preferably, southern. Quod erat demonstrandum the fact that this neocon girl that revised the movie was ranting against Lois - the person Superman protects, and loves, the most - being a single mother, something which neocons despise.
Very good points.

This was the bit that I found especially retarded. Remember when to have a column you had to have some sort of intelligence or insight?

Me neither, but because of the above comment of hers I feel that this woman's ignorant rambling does not deserve the printed word. DC Comics, the home of Superman has Batman fighting Al Queda. In other words, the exact complaint she's got, they've already addressed. If she's this ignorant about the genre, she shouldn't be commenting on it. I remain less ignorant without her input, why listen to people who actually serve to dispense negative information. Not information about bad things, but information that actually makes you dumber for having heard it.

Batman takes on Al Qaeda (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4717696.stm)

And like I said in the thread before it became the Empress Emo Show, Ra'as Al-Ghul alone is a composite everything the Hard Right despises: A long-lived Middle-Eastern extremist mastermind who's also an environmentalist.

I don't know about that. Some businessmen are pretty damn scary. Imagine if Ken Lay was alive and running your company (into the ground).

George W. Bush was a businessman, and now he's trying to organize the Biblical Apocalypse. Just imagine how scarey a compotent businessman would be? Lex Luthor.

Good lord.........This is so old..............Go flamebait somebody else, I am finished here. :rolleyes:

Yes, and again thank you for sticking around to let us know instead of being done.

:rolleyes:

One tiny flaw. I didn't personally attack him.
And he didn't personally attack the blogger. What's your point?

Oh, fiddlesticks. I should know better than to ask that question.

You don't need a point. You need to control the debate and make sure nobody says anything ill of the dead, or bloggers who get to fire away without seeing anywhere near the rejection she'd get if she dared air her vitriolic misfire in a public forum like this one.

You win the Unclear On The Concept Award for the whole Public Forum section, your highness.

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Ugh, It means don't attack people, no matter what they say.
So you wouldn't attack someone verbally AT ALL for using an ethnic slur to describe you? Or called you a faggot? Please.:rolleyes:

I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):


This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...

Honestly, it's not surprising that a conservative would hate this movie.

They hated "the Day After Tomorrow," because they thought that cold weather was too liberal. They hated the next Star Wars trilogy, not because it was cheesey, but because they saw their own leader in the villain. GWB as the emperor, and Dick Cheney as his cyborg side-kick, then criticized Lucas for being too liberal. Lucas said outright that it was written in the 70's and had nothing to do with Dubya, but still, they see the bad guy as just like George Bush (with some justification I must admit).

Spoiler Alert






Now they hate Superman because in this we see that he's a metaphor for God and Christ. By showing the Jor-el footage from the original and then having him recite the same speech he's Savior and bringer of saviors all in one.

We see Lex's evil as a businessman in that he cares nothing for human life in the face of money. Conservatives see the insult.

By facing Superman off against Lex they are essentially feeling an existential dread deep within their stomachs of the impending realization "God hates my way of life. He wants us to care about people, not walk all over them for money with no other justification besides the fact that we can."

To someone with some semblance of virtue this movie is a heroic tale of "good vs. evil." To a Right-wing Republican it's a tale of "Good vs Me"

So you wouldn't attack someone verbally AT ALL for using an ethnic slur to describe you? Or called you a faggot? Please.:rolleyes:



I have been called racist slurs before and been called a fag, how would attacking them help me? I have been called a gook by a white guy, I didn't call him a cracker because that would degrade me down to his level. In fact a guy called me a asian fag yesterday, I just laughed at him and walked away,

Honestly, it's not surprising that a conservative would hate this movie.

*SNIP, some excellent stuff*

To someone with some semblance of virtue this movie is a heroic tale of "good vs. evil." To a Right-wing Republican it's a tale of "Good vs Me"
*APPLAUDS WILDLY*
Well done, fine sir.

I have been called racist slurs before and been called a fag, how would attacking them help me? I have been called a gook by a white guy, I didn't call him a cracker because that would degrade me down to his level. In fact a guy called me a asian fag yesterday, I just laughed at him and walked away,
But you wouldn't AND HAVEN'T talked about the guys who insulted you later?

I have been called racist slurs before and been called a fag, how would attacking them help me? I have been called a gook by a white guy, I didn't call him a cracker because that would degrade me down to his level. In fact a guy called me a asian fag yesterday, I just laughed at him and walked away,

Let's see...

Comes back despite claiming to be "bored" and "done." Check.

Despises anything "Liberal." Check.

Calls Cindy Sheehan an attention whore without seeing the irony. Check.

Thinks the world was unfair to Kenny Boy Lay. Check.

It's official. Empress Emo is a Bushevik.

But you wouldn't AND HAVEN'T talked about the guys who insulted you later?


Not worth my time.

Yeah, seriously. Superman isn't super-enough cuz he's not fighting terrorists?

Would this Debbie blogger complain if, in the 60s, a Superman movie didn't involve fighting Vietnamese guerillas? I'm thinking yes.

Problem is, Comic Books are products of their times. What she's upset about is that the Republican message isn't resonating with the world, and Superman's priorities are a symptom of that, not the cause.

e.g. Superman did fight the Nazi's. But he did that before the US entered WWII. When Conservatives didn't want to. Artists, saw the truth of the world. Action had to be taken to do nothing less than save the world. Today they see the actions that our government is taking, and they don't like it. That's why Superman fights for "Truth, Justice... All that Stuff" instead of "the American Way." These days patriotism is too embarrassing to be displayed by thinking people, because you might be mistaken for a conservative. No one wants that. It's easier to find a New Yorker who doesn't mind being mistaken for a tourist.

Even Batman's real-world enemies are only Al-Qaeda. He didn't go after Saddam, and Miller even admited "it's just propaganda."

If conservatives don't want to keep resembling Hollywood bad guys and having such antipathy for the good guys, maybe they should just stop being the bad guys.

You didn't, but you don't stand for all Liberals.

Another false comparison. There is no widespread liberal effort to legalize all 'alternative' marriages. That's a strawman argument made up by conservatives to villianize the opposition because logically they have no grounds.

Nice try. But Liberals support getting rid of any mention of God anywhere in public. Thats Atheism, Secularism would be supporting no one god and not trying to remove any one god. Learn the difference. I am for secularism but against atheism. Meaning, I don't want the government forcing any one religion in the country or using religion in its laws, but I reject getting rid of any public mention and denying it.

Wrong. Secularism, the removal of government support for God, is support by theists as often as atheists. Atheism would be denying the existence of God, not asking that God not be on the Dollar bill or in the pledge. I would and most liberals would be equally and totally against the government or anything else declaring thers is no God.

If you're going to make an argument please try to make it about about the reality of the situation and not some situation you made up.

Off-topic rants and flamebait ends now.

Nodinia, didn't I drop a brink on your head in UN the other day over this same sort of attack-dog attitude? Do you want me to use a ton of bricks instead?

Knock it off, the lot of you.

Geeze, everyone ignores me completely but Empress Emo gets more coverage than the O.J. Trial. Life is unfair. I would have thought people would apply the same principles to something important.

Also its no wonder why the neocons don't like superman when you see the posters he's in.

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:Qe8jxNzSitU3DM:http://www.comiccovers.com/comiccovers-280/Superman-%2520Red%2520Sun%2520%255BDC%2520Elsworlds%255D%2520Mini%25201/0003.jpg

He should thank God it wasn't 50s Superman, back then Lex looked like the goodguy! Lois was a crazed lunatic who'd either try to kill Superman cause he wouldn't go out with her, trick him into marrying her, blackmail him, use technology and sorcerey to somehow control him, she was an obsessed whack-job.. And Supes was a biggoted, cold-hearted, bastard who was afraid of commitment.

So yeah, I admit the movie made some shakey things on a great tradition. "All that stuff" was stupid and unnescarey. But any real Superman (or comic books in general) fans know Supes is NOT the living embodiment of America. Superman is a fascist, he's never made a big secret of that.. It's just not so obvious now because we live in a time where fascism is rampant and we'd rather a guy like Superman rule us then some tofu-eating jerkoff or some guy in a Turban..

But he expects Superman to fight terrorists? How cheesy is that, It would entertain me no doubt, (especialy if they made it a comedy like Team America: World Police) and probably many other people. But the producers are there to make buisness and do what is optimal for buisness. And terrorist smashing may get alot of fans, but not enough for optimal buisness. Thier first priority is money, second comes entertainment. Perhaps that is why the movie sucked. But that's what happens when you get a momunetal character like Superman and put him in the hands of big buisness..

He should thank God it wasn't 50s Superman, back then Lex looked like the goodguy! Lois was a crazed lunatic who'd either try to kill Superman cause he wouldn't go out with her, trick him into marrying her, blackmail him, use technology and sorcerey to somehow control him, she was an obsessed whack-job.. And Supes was a biggoted, cold-hearted, bastard who was afraid of commitment.

That's because, like I said, Comic books are products of the times. In the 50's, the popular opinion was that the behavior he demonstrated was heroic. Back when people thought that Pat Boone represented good clean wholesome American values instead of seeing him for the talentless racist opportunist that he really is. I would have said "really was" but I saw him on Bill O'Reilly not long ago complaining about the "liberal media," and, ironicly, complaining about celebrities trying to use their celebrity to voice a political agenda (ok, I guess that's not really ironic because Pat Boone isn't really a celebrity anymore).

So yeah, I admit the movie made some shakey things on a great tradition. "All that stuff" was stupid and unnescarey. But any real Superman (or comic books in general) fans know Supes is NOT the living embodiment of America. Superman is a fascist, he's never made a big secret of that.. It's just not so obvious now because we live in a time where fascism is rampant and we'd rather a guy like Superman rule us then some tofu-eating jerkoff or some guy in a Turban..

There have been times where that was true, but not with this one. He hasn't been that since the late 70's. That's why Lex Luthor went from being a mad scientist to being a businessman. That's why in the fourth Christopher Reeve movie he refused to take sides in the nuclear arms race until popular outcry compelled him, and he suffered for playing the role of Deus ex Machina. A liberal Superman understood that people can, and should, solve their own problems.

But he expects Superman to fight terrorists? How cheesy is that, It would entertain me no doubt, (especialy if they made it a comedy like Team America: World Police) and probably many other people. But the producers are there to make buisness and do what is optimal for buisness. And terrorist smashing may get alot of fans, but not enough for optimal buisness. Thier first priority is money, second comes entertainment. Perhaps that is why the movie sucked. But that's what happens when you get a momunetal character like Superman and put him in the hands of big buisness..

Not to mention, what the hell would you call the confrontation with that guy with the railgun on the tower (the one who shot him in the eye?) Good science fiction doesn't take literal bad guys from the real world. The force that tried to destroy the Pacific Fleet in the comics before US involvement in WWII was unnamed, not Japan. That's why there's no racism on Star Trek or X-men, they use speciesism for that. As far as I know, the Nazi's never really created a guy named Red Skull.

Very good points.

Yes, all of which have been shouted down by the threadjack. :p

(Which would make lots of sense, since those that would defend the crazy lady that came up with that review have no other means to defend her other than to smokescreen it with a threadjack...)

*SNIP some good points*

Not to mention, what the hell would you call the confrontation with that guy with the railgun on the tower (the one who shot him in the eye?)

Not a railgun. That was a good, old-fashioned, rotating-barrel Vulcan.

Not a railgun. That was a good, old-fashioned, rotating-barrel Vulcan.
To further the nitpickery (comic book styly)-the eyebone shot was with a pistol (wouldn't know the kind if it had a neon logo on the barrel). Kind of a silly shot(see what I...nevermind), I thought but didn't come off as silly to me as Kengis and The Shadow shooting each other's bullets.

Just saw that movie. I loved it. I also loved this review. Ann Coulter wannabe?

I'd never heard of Debbie Schlussel before, but after doing a bit of research on her at Wikipedia, I'm glad I hadn't. Check out this right-wing nut's priceless review of Superman Returns that she posted on her blog (I bolded the especially delicious parts):


This is priceless... what a neoconservative nut. She acts like the movie isn't a work of FICTION. Not only fiction, but COMIC BOOK FICTION. Almost as bad as the people who feel the need to debunk the Da Vinci Code...
What a nutter.

I'd like to point out that there is an incredible amount of bad science in that movie, especially in the early airplane scenes.

Seriously tho.. Kevin Spacey as lex luthor, best casting decision ever (mind you, he'd be great in anything). Can't wait to see it.

I'd like to point out that there is an incredible amount of bad science in that movie, especially in the early airplane scenes.
Once you have a flying man from outer space who gets power from sunlight, can see through objects and is invulnerable, you're allowed to fudge some of the science...

Liasia']Seriously tho.. Kevin Spacey as lex luthor, best casting decision ever (mind you, he'd be great in anything). Can't wait to see it.

IMHO, it sucked. Terribly.

Liasia']Seriously tho.. Kevin Spacey as lex luthor, best casting decision ever (mind you, he'd be great in anything). Can't wait to see it.

Goldmember had something to do with it I bet.

Liasia']Seriously tho.. Kevin Spacey as lex luthor, best casting decision ever (mind you, he'd be great in anything). Can't wait to see it.
I thought Parker Posey was going to be more like the chaffuer chick in the animated series. It was too bad she was paid for laughs. But Spacey was a good villian, "Go ahead, say it. I know its sitting there on the tip of your tongue..."

IMHO, it sucked. Terribly.
Damn.. ah well, can't be more dissapointing than the pirates of the carribean.

Goldmember had something to do with it I bet.
Smoke and a pancake?
Crepe and a pipe?
Falaffel and a joint?

i'll admit, the woman definitely over reacts to the subtle messages in the movie (little girls won't care enough about this movie to imitate lois lane!) but in essence, she's right. superman was quite the weak, lovelorn, prettyboy in this movie...and lois seems like quite the feminazi. i don't care for either the old macho or modern versions of superman, but the movie definitely shows the evolution of american ideals.

Just saw that movie. I loved it. I also loved this review. Ann Coulter wannabe?

Go to Frontpagemag.com and google her name. She reviews a lot of movies, and most of her reviews are something like that. I especially liked (sorta hated, but in a funny way) her glowing review of the Disney movie Ice Princess where it says that liberals hate this movie because it provides a positive role-model for girls. One who rejects male-oriented sucess models and abandons a promising future as a brilliant nuclear physicist and embraces a life devoted to looking pretty and smiling a lot in skimpy outfits.

Hers and the Village Voice have what I can't call bad reviews, even when they pan the movie they review. Even their "bad reviews" tend to be hillarious. Except for the Voice's review of the Dilbert cartoon. That was just dumb.

I haven't seen it, but I did suspect that Superman had become a bit of a poof. Not to mention that he doesn't really have any great enemies. Lex Luthor? C'mon. Batman has the Joker, the X-Men have Dark Phoenix. Superman gets a fucking businessman?

Obviously someone who hasn't dealt with the Grendel businessmen in Nation States. :D

I liked the movie.

To further the nitpickery (comic book styly)-the eyebone shot was with a pistol (wouldn't know the kind if it had a neon logo on the barrel). Kind of a silly shot(see what I...nevermind), I thought but didn't come off as silly to me as Kengis and The Shadow shooting each other's bullets.

I think the point of the shot was an answer to the many stand-up comics, and one Jonen Vasquez comic short that said (or implied) that if any of these thugs had the sense to shoot him in the eye they'd win without the need for kryptonite. The director decided to include a scene that said "sorry boys, his eyeballs are just as tough as the rest of him. He isn't as hard as steel, he just can't be hurt."

i'll admit, the woman definitely over reacts to the subtle messages in the movie (little girls won't care enough about this movie to imitate lois lane!) but in essence, she's right. superman was quite the weak, lovelorn, prettyboy in this movie...and lois seems like quite the feminazi. i don't care for either the old macho or modern versions of superman, but the movie definitely shows the evolution of american ideals.

Femminazi? Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the term feminazi mean (in addition to being a self referential admission of Rush Limbaugh-like qualities on the part of the speaker) a woman who has rejected all traditional female roles to the point of rejecting men entirely as well as refusing to allow that other women should have that choice for themselves?

This Lois Lane was nothing like that. She was somewhat meek, emotional, vulnerable, everything previous Lois Lane incarnations weren't. She even played the role of wife and mother. She wasn't actually married, but she was still in a monogamous relationship that had everything in common with marriage except the lisence. Which makes it that much more rediculous that the reviewer said she was a slut. If anything, I thought that the worst part of this movie was how 'girlie' Lois was. Even the parts that looked strong at first glance came off as nothing more than broken-hearted sour grapes more appropriate to an adolescent girl than the woman who was a trouble-seeking death defying professional in the 1930's.

I don't know about that. Some businessmen are pretty damn scary. Imagine if Ken Lay was alive and running your company (into the ground).
Ohhh...That could be a good villan for Supes. A zombie Ken Lay!

Ohhh...That could be a good villan for Supes. A zombie Ken Lay!

And his first act of supervillainy would be to run The Daily Planet to the ground while raking in millions from selling stock early.

And his first act of supervillainy would be to run The Daily Planet to the ground while raking in millions from selling stock early.
That made my day. Erm, night. You get the picture.

Today, they won't dare show him fighting contemporary Nazis -- Islamofascists. Lex Luthor working with Al-Qaeda terrorists, with both evil forces getting defeated -- now that would have been dynamic and exciting, a great plot. But, unfortunately, too politically incorrect, current, and exciting for the Hollywood culturatti.
Has she ever bothered to watch a Hollywood movie?
Can anyone here think on one major Hollywood action movie in the last, say 20 years, that has shown an arab/muslim in a positive light?

I can't. They're always protrayed as slimy terrorists.

And, considering popular sentiment in the States these days, why on earth would they decide to portray them as anything other?

Usual rabid unthinking attack by a neocon so blind they don't let facts interfere with their diatribes.

Has she ever bothered to watch a Hollywood movie?
Can anyone here think on one major Hollywood action movie in the last, say 20 years, that has shown an arab/muslim in a positive light?

I can't. They're always protrayed as slimy terrorists.

And, considering popular sentiment in the States these days, why on earth would they decide to portray them as anything other?

Usual rabid unthinking attack by a neocon so blind they don't let facts interfere with their diatribes.
The Siege and Crash. Oh, can't forget in Independence Day, at the end when you see Saudis celebrating.

The Siege and Crash. Oh, can't forget in Independence Day, at the end when you see Saudis celebrating.

Wait until Ubisoft releases Assassin's Creed for the next generation consoles. The main character is a Persian Assassin who's been assigned to take out political targets and perform other tasks during the Middle Ages to prevent another Crusade from erupting. A video game where the Muslim isn't the heavily-bearded, turban-wearing, "Durka Durka Jihad"-chanting Islamofacist Terrorist you blow up for points, but in fact the main character and hero is really going to get the Busheviks up in arms.

The Siege and Crash. Oh, can't forget in Independence Day, at the end when you see Saudis celebrating.
I said 'action' movies. So that leaves Crash out. At any rate, they weren't Arab, as the movie went to pains to point out (guess it didn't work).

A few seconds at the end of a movie showing a bunch of people in sheets dancing is hardly a major positive role modelling. So that cuts Independence Day out

So that leaves The Seige.

I see your seige and raise you a True Lies.

I see your seige and raise you a True Lies.

I see your True Lies and raise you Team America.

What's scary is even if Parker and Stone meant it as a satire on all sides of "The War on Terror" instead of just the liberals and the terrorists, the current state of mind in the U.S. at the point where all the jokes aimed at the Busheviks would be missed and instead accepted as gospel truth. This crowd really would get off on blowing up the Eiffel Tower and the Valley of Giza, and "America, Fuck Yeah!!" would be their new national anthem. Hell, this crowd would give head to almost anyone in the name of national security.

And his first act of supervillainy would be to run The Daily Planet to the ground while raking in millions from selling stock early.
and when Supes catches him, he dies before being put in Jail.... only to rise later to threaten another honest company.

Off-topic rants and flamebait ends now.

Nodinia, didn't I drop a brink on your head in UN the other day over this same sort of attack-dog attitude? Do you want me to use a ton of bricks instead?

Knock it off, the lot of you.

No, because I'm not a member of said organisation.

I'd like to point out that there is an incredible amount of bad science in that movie, especially in the early airplane scenes.
What, you mean an airliner would explode if it ventured into outer space? Or that the torsion from the flat spin would have ripped it apart? Or the amount of force needed to stop it's fall (nose first) would have done more than just ripple the aluminum skin?

Oh, it survived all that 'cause it was the special SPACE SHUTTLE CARRIER and therefore reinforced with special alloy Fraudulum, thereby allowing it to survive any ultra-physics happenings.

Sheesh, where's your sense of wonder?

[Kidding -- I wasn't buying it either, and then I remembered I'm watching a caped alien from an non-existent planet with an impossible hairdo fly in tights.]

Go to Frontpagemag.com and google her name. She reviews a lot of movies, and most of her reviews are something like that. I especially liked (sorta hated, but in a funny way) her glowing review of the Disney movie Ice Princess where it says that liberals hate this movie because it provides a positive role-model for girls. One who rejects male-oriented sucess models and abandons a promising future as a brilliant nuclear physicist and embraces a life devoted to looking pretty and smiling a lot in skimpy outfits.

Hers and the Village Voice have what I can't call bad reviews, even when they pan the movie they review. Even their "bad reviews" tend to be hillarious. Except for the Voice's review of the Dilbert cartoon. That was just dumb.
I like the reviews in the Onion AV Club, hilarious and usually right.

I think the point of the shot was an answer to the many stand-up comics, and one Jonen Vasquez comic short that said (or implied) that if any of these thugs had the sense to shoot him in the eye they'd win without the need for kryptonite. The director decided to include a scene that said "sorry boys, his eyeballs are just as tough as the rest of him. He isn't as hard as steel, he just can't be hurt."
Then why not answer the OTHER question?

He's fathered Lois' kid, apparently -- does he have super sperm as well? If so, wouldn't a super-moneyshot blow a hole in Lois' abdomen? After all, who has control of their actions during those five expressionless-faced seconds?

Cool scene with the eyeball, though, totally.

Then why not answer the OTHER question?

He's fathered Lois' kid, apparently -- does he have super sperm as well? If so, wouldn't a super-moneyshot blow a hole in Lois' abdomen? After all, who has control of their actions during those five expressionless-faced seconds?

Cool scene with the eyeball, though, totally.
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Y'know, it's really insensitive to post stuff like this when I'm reasing it at 2am, so that I must forcefully restrain my normally demonstrative gut-laughter so as not to awaken (or panic) any of my sleeping family.

There's snot everywhere. Thanks!:D

Larry Niven is a very, very good writer.

She makes a lot of points though. Lois Lane was boring as hell in that movie.

She makes a lot of points though. Lois Lane was boring as hell in that movie.

She might have been, but the Only Neocon That Can Write doesn't care about wether or not mrs. Lane was a boring character. She cared about her being a Dirty Single Mother (tm) that wasn't being stoned to death in public as she'd like her to be.

She makes a lot of points though. Lois Lane was boring as hell in that movie.
Let me tell ya something about Kate Bosworth in 3D an extra dimension doesn't diminish her charms. Although nearly flying into young Clark's ass is kind of disconcerting.

She makes a lot of points though. Lois Lane was boring as hell in that movie.
Lois Lane has always been a shitty character, but this movie brought her to new heights of suckery.

Let's see, she is a Pulitzer Prize winner (who won for an OP ED, no less!) who cannot spell "catastrophe," she's a bratty little girl who writes bitter news items when her boyfriend leaves her, she brings her small child along with her while investigating dangerous and unexplained phenomena, and her main function seems to be to place herself directly in danger so that men have to save her from her own stupidity.

I was actually excited when I heard that Lane was going to be a single mother in this flick, because I thought there was an outside chance that they would portray her as a capable and independent human being for once. No such luck...she's the same stupid airhead she's always been, and it debases the Man of Steel to show him as having any interest in such a creature.

Y'know, it's really insensitive to post stuff like this when I'm reasing it at 2am, so that I must forcefully restrain my normally demonstrative gut-laughter so as not to awaken (or panic) any of my sleeping family.

There's snot everywhere. Thanks!:D

Larry Niven is a very, very good writer.thank you for that visual Intangelon... :headbang: :p :D

I'm wondering why the "And the American Way " was left out ?

I think the movie was ok. I dont think they will spend as much on a sequel as they did on this one.

Heh. I never liked superman anyway. But this person takes the biscuit. :D

I'm wondering why the "And the American Way " was left out ?

Superman is an extraterrestrian. I think people finally noticed that:

1-They have a public besides America.

And

2-Superman owes allegiance to no terrestrian nation.

Superman is an extraterrestrian. I think people finally noticed that:

1-They have a public besides America.

And

2-Superman owes allegiance to no terrestrian nation.
actually, he is a citizen of the USA. they "rewritten" his origin to say that he was not placed in the craft as a baby, but the genetic material from Jor-el and his wife were mixed and incubated in the craft... making his arrival in Kansas an actual "Birth" thus a citizen because he was 'born' in US soil.

I don't writes them, I just reads them...

actually, he is a citizen of the USA. they "rewritten" his origin to say that he was not placed in the craft as a baby, but the genetic material from Jor-el and his wife were mixed and incubated in the craft... making his arrival in Kansas an actual "Birth" thus a citizen because he was 'born' in US soil.

I don't writes them, I just reads them...

*Shrugs*

You could also argue that he was naturalized. But that they made his origins into a "let's fuck in the space shuttle", then a "whoops, I accidentally launched the shuttle we fucked in and were supposed to flee the exploding planet in" is really funny. :p

Regardless, assuming Superman as an American, he is still under no obligation to stand for the "American Way" unless he agrees with it.

Superman was also an illegal immigrant.

Superman was also an illegal immigrant.

Nah thats as far as our scaremongering newspapers are concerned. :headbang:

thank you for that visual Intangelon... :headbang: :p :D
You have only yourself to blame (and I still have aftershock laffs, too).

Lois Lane has always been a shitty character, but this movie brought her to new heights of suckery.

Let's see, she is a Pulitzer Prize winner (who won for an OP ED, no less!) who cannot spell "catastrophe," she's a bratty little girl who writes bitter news items when her boyfriend leaves her, she brings her small child along with her while investigating dangerous and unexplained phenomena, and her main function seems to be to place herself directly in danger so that men have to save her from her own stupidity.

I was actually excited when I heard that Lane was going to be a single mother in this flick, because I thought there was an outside chance that they would portray her as a capable and independent human being for once. No such luck...she's the same stupid airhead she's always been, and it debases the Man of Steel to show him as having any interest in such a creature.
Hooray! A woman with brains posts it right.

Well said.

*Shrugs*

You could also argue that he was naturalized. But that they made his origins into a "let's fuck in the space shuttle", then a "whoops, I accidentally launched the shuttle we fucked in and were supposed to flee the exploding planet in" is really funny. :p

Regardless, assuming Superman as an American, he is still under no obligation to stand for the "American Way" unless he agrees with it.one of the reasons why I dropped Superman as a hero of choice... :rolleyes:

Superman was also an illegal immigrant.
nope refugee. his planet exploded, and he is unable to go home.

*Shrugs*

You could also argue that he was naturalized. But that they made his origins into a "let's fuck in the space shuttle", then a "whoops, I accidentally launched the shuttle we fucked in and were supposed to flee the exploding planet in" is really funny. :p

Regardless, assuming Superman as an American, he is still under no obligation to stand for the "American Way" unless he agrees with it.
I'm not a fan of the Man of Steel's comic exploits. Hell, in order to follow every comic I'd like to, I'd need seven jobs.

I like the notion you've presented that Superman's Kryptonian parents weren't trying to preserve their son, but got busy in the shuttle before their world went "foom". Superman as a back-seat adventure lends even more ire to the conservatives than Lois being a single mother.

BUT BOY, YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL WITH THAT "UNLESS HE AGREES WITH IT" HORSESHIT! Of course he agrees with the American Way! Superman's a Republican, everybody knows that!

I'm not a fan of the Man of Steel's comic exploits. Hell, in order to follow every comic I'd like to, I'd need seven jobs.

I like the notion you've presented that Superman's Kryptonian parents weren't trying to preserve their son, but got busy in the shuttle before their world went "foom". Superman as a back-seat adventure lends even more ire to the conservatives than Lois being a single mother.

Thank you, I do my best to infuriate neocons. :D

BUT BOY, YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL WITH THAT "UNLESS HE AGREES WITH IT" HORSESHIT! Of course he agrees with the American Way! Superman's a Republican, everybody knows that!

Well, he IS from the state that questions evolution... :D

I always thought superman was a ponce. A nancy boy. A loser. A nerd... but corruptor of America's youth? I think not.

one of the reasons why I dropped Superman as a hero of choice... :rolleyes:

Which is?

Which is?

For no longer being purely American?

For no longer being purely American?

Nah, I don't think so. Let's see what JuNii answers.

Which is?
they keep changing him and his story.

1) he is strong, but not inhumanly so. he is hard to hurt but not invulerable, and he couldn't fly, just leap around. (original Superman stories)

2) it was explained that his abilities was due, not to the sun's radiation but the lower gravity of Earth. (Original Superman Stories)

3) then they had to make him invulerable, Inhumanly strong and able to fly. the source of his power is now the Yellow sun. (came about after WWII)

4) oops, now he's too powerful... let's introduce a weakness, magic Kryptonite and Red Sun Radiation. (introduced throughout his stories)

5) let's make varied forms of Kryptonite, oops, now every villian and their mother has Kryptonite. now he's a wuss (introduced throughout his stories)

6) ok, let's make Kryptonite poisonous to humans. Lex Luthor dies due to Kryptonite poisioning... but now the S-man is back to being too powerfull... (late 80's early 90's)

8) a baby cannot survive the long journey in space... so let's make the rocketship a carrier of genetic material that will create Kal-el at the right time... (referenced during the "Reign of the Supermen" story arch)

7) ok, since we changed the source of his power to the sun, let's make him solar powered. of course being solar powered, we can't have the Superboy, SuperBaby stories, the reasoning being it took 18 years for him to 'charge up', so those just never happened... (revealed after he "died" and came back as well as the "Reign of the Supermen" story.)

8) then they reverted his origin to being a baby sent off in a FTL rocketship, and reseeded the world with tons of various Kryptonite... :rolleyes: (Worlds Finest!)

they keep changing his origins and mucking with his powers.

they keep changing him and his story.

1) he is strong, but not inhumanly so. he is hard to hurt but not invulerable, and he couldn't fly, just leap around. (original Superman stories)

2) it was explained that his abilities was due, not to the sun's radiation but the lower gravity of Earth. (Original Superman Stories)

3) then they had to make him invulerable, Inhumanly strong and able to fly. the source of his power is now the Yellow sun. (came about after WWII)

4) oops, now he's too powerful... let's introduce a weakness, magic Kryptonite and Red Sun Radiation. (introduced throughout his stories)

5) let's make varied forms of Kryptonite, oops, now every villian and their mother has Kryptonite. now he's a wuss (introduced throughout his stories)

6) ok, let's make Kryptonite poisonous to humans. Lex Luthor dies due to Kryptonite poisioning... but now the S-man is back to being too powerfull... (late 80's early 90's)

8) a baby cannot survive the long journey in space... so let's make the rocketship a carrier of genetic material that will create Kal-el at the right time... (referenced during the "Reign of the Supermen" story arch)

7) ok, since we changed the source of his power to the sun, let's make him solar powered. of course being solar powered, we can't have the Superboy, SuperBaby stories, the reasoning being it took 18 years for him to 'charge up', so those just never happened... (revealed after he "died" and came back as well as the "Reign of the Supermen" story.)

8) then they reverted his origin to being a baby sent off in a FTL rocketship, and reseeded the world with tons of various Kryptonite... :rolleyes: (Worlds Finest!)

they keep changing his origins and mucking with his powers.

True that. I prefer Batman anyways.

they keep changing his origins and mucking with his powers.

They do that in every comic book. Superman is no exception. Once the authors write themselves into a corner (and often even when they don't), they just reset the universe and start again, with new explanations/stories for everything.

They do that in every comic book. Superman is no exception. Once the authors write themselves into a corner (and often even when they don't), they just reset the universe and start again, with new explanations/stories for everything.
correction... DC does that more often than Marvel.

Marvel only kills them off then brings them back. ;)

correction... DC does that more often than Marvel.

Marvel only kills them off then brings them back. ;)

I don't know about that. The Marvel comic I am most familiar with is X-Men, and how many times has it been reset? There have been at least three different versions just of the Phoenix saga.

Spiderman has also been done and done again.

It just seems that, if any comic runs long enough, it gets rewritten.

I don't know about that. The Marvel comic I am most familiar with is X-Men, and how many times has it been reset? There have been at least three different versions just of the Phoenix saga.

Spiderman has also been done and done again.

It just seems that, if any comic runs long enough, it gets rewritten.
only one verson of the pheonix saga. tho they did toy with a "What if" Jean Grey lived.

and the only thing they keep resetting is the tension between humans and mutants.

Note: they never solidified what happened bewteen the time Jean's TK sheild around the shuttle went down and when the Phoenix arose from the waters. thus it was possible to have an entity take Jean's place.

and how did Spiderman's origins change? it was/is still a high school student who got bitten by a radioactive spider. the Ultimate storylines is a new Universe, so in that one he was a college student.

and also note, I'm not covering the Movie versions. just the comic ones.

only one verson of the pheonix saga. tho they did toy with a "What if" Jean Grey lived.

No, there have been multiples. In one, the Phoenix is an alien entity that partially takes over Jean. In another, it is an alien entity that replaces her and puts her in a bubble underwater. In another, it is a part of her to begin with.

and how did Spiderman's origins change? it was/is still a high school student who got bitten by a radioactive spider. the Ultimate storylines is a new Universe, so in that one he was a college student.

I didn't say his origins completely changed. Just that the storylines have been reset. Some four or five different authors have written accounts of the character's creation - each one at least slightly different.

And the "ultimate storylines" is a new universe - a reset universe. It's kind of like the X-Men universe in which Xavier is the bad guy and Magneto is the good guy. Still a rewriting of the story, regardless.

Lois Lane has always been a shitty character, but this movie brought her to new heights of suckery.

Let's see, she is a Pulitzer Prize winner (who won for an OP ED, no less!) who cannot spell "catastrophe," she's a bratty little girl who writes bitter news items when her boyfriend leaves her, she brings her small child along with her while investigating dangerous and unexplained phenomena, and her main function seems to be to place herself directly in danger so that men have to save her from her own stupidity.

I was actually excited when I heard that Lane was going to be a single mother in this flick, because I thought there was an outside chance that they would portray her as a capable and independent human being for once. No such luck...she's the same stupid airhead she's always been, and it debases the Man of Steel to show him as having any interest in such a creature.

You cannot seperate Lois from the era she came in, and as far as her origin goes, she was a pretty brassy dame back in the day. Yes, she suffers for the fact that she must, by the logic of Superman and the story, get into peril no matter how far-fetched that peril or the getting into it may be. But as far as women heroes goes, Lois Lane was always one of the strongest and quirkiest of women characters. She was a generation ahead of Rosy the Riveter, and forty years in front of Title IX and the modern women's movement. If she hasn't aged well, I'd have to ask what a contrapositive of what other feminist icon of the 1930's has? The answer is none, because there are no others.

I'm wondering why the "And the American Way " was left out ?

I think the movie was ok. I dont think they will spend as much on a sequel as they did on this one.

Because these days people have a bit of trouble thinking that a Superbeing from another planet with near immortality is going to think that his mission in life is to make the whole world work the way that America wants it to. Especially when America itself is so conflicted.

When Superman was first written "the American Way" mean the New Deal. Which a lot of people thought was flagrantly UnAmerican. So these days if you say you're fighting for the American Way, then people are going to ask "which one?" Especially since the People for the American Way is a liberal group that is rideculed by right-wingers who mock liberals for their supposed lack of patriotism.

These days, people are just to cynical to think that "the American Way," is necessarily a good thing. Even the Warner Brothers cartoon of the 90's had a scene where Lois, upon meeting Superman for the first time, asks "so you're here to, what? Fight for truth, justice and the American Way?" Supe's response is to scoff. And that's a cartoon for children. Even children are to jaded to believe in the American way these days.

No, there have been multiples. In one, the Phoenix is an alien entity that partially takes over Jean. In another, it is an alien entity that replaces her and puts her in a bubble underwater. In another, it is a part of her to begin with. wrong, see, the thing is Marvel kept the origin murky enough to play with.

break down time.

1) The X-men stage a rescue on Trask's sattelite/space station. their shuttle is damaged and a weakened Jean Grey attempts to pilot the shuttle to safety through a solar flareup. Her TK shield collapses during reentery and the shuttle crashes in the waters off New York. moments later, Phoenix emerges and saves the X-men from drowning.

2) the mindgames Mastermind plays releases Dark Phoenix.

3) Phoenix sacrifices herself on the moon to save everyone.

4) Reed Richards discovers the Cocoon off the coast of New York that contains Jean Grey. it is then revealed that the Phoenix was a cosmic entity that heard Jean's Telepathic cry for help and used her power to save them, and curious about humans, it took Jeans place.

after that, they left it alone. even to the point where Phoenix left a part of herself behind should Jean need it (Rachel Summers claimed that piece and became the new Phoenix. which might be your alien partially taking over Jean story... but it was actually Rachel Summers, Jean and Scotts daughter from the future.)

I didn't say his origins completely changed. Just that the storylines have been reset. Some four or five different authors have written accounts of the character's creation - each one at least slightly different. I don't mind Slightly different, but in the case of Superman, it's totally different.


And the "ultimate storylines" is a new universe - a reset universe. It's kind of like the X-Men universe in which Xavier is the bad guy and Magneto is the good guy. Still a rewriting of the story, regardless.and if you notice about Ultimates, the storylines are still basically the same. even with "minor" changes the origin is still close to the origin the creators had.

of course you had special cases where they totally muck things up, but those again fall in the lines of "What If" stories and never really became part of the main universe.

I'm wondering why the "And the American Way " was left out ?
Because it's incompatible with any serious depiction of the modern world. It's something that can only be said in an ironic context, or as part of something appealing to the iconography of the mythical version of the post-war boom America created for itself. The short version, since the character wasn't on staff at Fox News it would be disingenuous for the character utter the "American Way" part. The American Way of the iconography of the manufactured myth, and The American Way as currently practiced are very different things. One of them is incompatible with Superman.

Call it the sacrifices that must be made to an intellectual adolecence.

Because it's incompatible with any serious depiction of the modern world. It's something that can only be said in an ironic context, or as part of something appealing to the iconography of the mythical version of the post-war boom America created for itself. The short version, since the character wasn't on staff at Fox News it would be disingenuous for the character utter the "American Way" part. The American Way of the iconography of the manufactured myth, and The American Way as currently practiced are very different things. One of them is incompatible with Superman.

Call it the sacrifices that must be made to an intellectual adolecence.

It should be noted that the line was stated by Perry White, not Superman. As such, it leaves open whether Superman himself still believes in the concept of "Truth, Justice, and the American Way". As I've found Superman to be singularly uncynical, I'm guessing he probably still does, although he's also still a citizen of the world as well.

I don't know about that. The Marvel comic I am most familiar with is X-Men, and how many times has it been reset? There have been at least three different versions just of the Phoenix saga.

Spiderman has also been done and done again.

It just seems that, if any comic runs long enough, it gets rewritten.

They sort of have to. They're always based on poorly understood science (or sometimes poorly understood mythology, a la Thor). As the years go by people start to understand a bit better, and they won't accept the old origins. It's just unsusspendable belief. A lot of people don't understand evolution, so X-men remains as is. Everyone knows what gamma rays are these days, and knows that they don't cause super strength, they cause cancer. Stem cells are a hot topic, so the newest Incredible Hulk movie made it a combination of exotic radiation and stem cells.

What the fuck is a neo con ? Some new form of super villian or part of lex luthers organization ?

What the fuck is a neo con ? Some new form of super villian or part of lex luthers organization ?


Its a term used by self-loathing liberals to soothe themselves.

Certain terms make it easier for them to live with who they think they are.

They sort of have to. They're always based on poorly understood science (or sometimes poorly understood mythology, a la Thor). As the years go by people start to understand a bit better, and they won't accept the old origins. It's just unsusspendable belief. A lot of people don't understand evolution, so X-men remains as is. Everyone knows what gamma rays are these days, and knows that they don't cause super strength, they cause cancer. Stem cells are a hot topic, so the newest Incredible Hulk movie made it a combination of exotic radiation and stem cells.

I can think of one or two exceptions.

Batman (well, Batman himself. Some of the villains I admit are pushing it)

Punisher, really, is the most obvious. No psuedoscience there.

What the fuck is a neo con ? Some new form of super villian or part of lex luthers organization ?

It stands for 'Neo-Conservative' and is quite a well-known and used word, despite what some would have you think. It usually seems to mean extreme conservative thinkers/politicians/personalities. An example would be Project for a New American Century or 'PNAC'.

Its a term used by self-loathing liberals to soothe themselves.

Certain terms make it easier for them to live with who they think they are.



I thought that was Jane fonda's job ? she getting too old ?

It stands for 'Neo-Conservative' and is quite a well-known and used word, despite what some would have you think. It usually seems to mean extreme conservative thinkers/politicians/personalities. An example would be Project for a New American Century or 'PNAC'.


But how is a New Conservative..any different than an old style conservative ? Like say Reagan ..old conservative..Goldwater old conservative crazy fuck that shoud have been shot ...more than once..JFK...old consevative..maybe even a slighly new conservative for his time ...LBJ...way old conservative ...

What sets this neo conservative apart from an old fashioned conservative ?


Do you mean extreme as in ...lets see pick a nut....Pat robertson ? or extreme as in Donald Rumsfeld ? Well I dont know if its fair to call Rummy a nut..he may just be an idiot .

But how is a New Conservative..any different than an old style conservative ? Like say Reagan ..old conservative..Goldwater old conservative crazy fuck that shoud have been shot ...more than once..JFK...old consevative..maybe even a slighly new conservative for his time ...LBJ...way old conservative ...

What sets this neo conservative apart from an old fashioned conservative ?


Do you mean extreme as in ...lets see pick a nut....Pat robertson ? or extreme as in Donald Rumsfeld ? Well I dont know if its fair to call Rummy a nut..he may just be an idiot .

This isn't entirely my realm of expertise, but I think it would encompass someone like Goldwater ("Kill the hippies, nuke Vietnam") rather than, say, Reagan or Thatcher. A Conservative who is extremely radical - so yeah, Falwell might fit in, although he's probably more suited to 'Religious Nutjob' than 'NeoCon'.

June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz






Hmmm ok I can see how this could scare the living shit out of some people..

I read it and all I could see was 'ol dick Cheney riding the bomb waving his hat....:D

But they do make some good points....its the imagee of the war drums being gonged they gotta work on ..:D

Shit imagine having this translated by "babelfish ":D


It comes back saying all North Koreans and Iraqis and iranians and evil doers MUST DIE ....and we have the will ansd swear to hack your little balls to tiny pieces now bow down before us ...or we will invade with anal probes ! or something ...

no wonder little Elvis has his panties in a bunch . he's on the list !

Its a term used by self-loathing liberals to soothe themselves.

Certain terms make it easier for them to live with who they think they are.
I honestly believe that was a purely rhetorical question you've answered unnecessarily.

Though I suspect the much-abused term 'liberal' serves the same function for those who choose to keep the tips of their ears below ground-level, as well.

Tit. Tat.

I honestly believe that was a purely rhetorical question you've answered unnecessarily.

Though I suspect the much-abused term 'liberal' serves the same function for those who choose to keep the tips of their ears below ground-level, as well.

Tit. Tat.

Nice move!

http://www.workingforchange.com/webgraphics/WFC/TMW07-12-06.jpg

Abso-freakin'-lutely spot on. I begin to suspect Tom Tomorrow posts on NSG.