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Taken from some forum:

I set up the following experiment using steel rabbit fencing as the steel structure supporting a heavy cement block.

Note, this fencing is easily bendable, has no significant rigidity, and was not reinforced in any way. The fencing was bent into an outer square and an inner rectangle (the core): http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/1_column_structure.jpg

Then I damaged the "columns" by cutting them with wire cutters:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/2a_cut_outer_columns.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/2b_cut_inner_columns.jpg

Just inside where the gash was made in the outer wall, I placed a cup of kerosene (jet fuel), and there was newspaper around the bottom on the structure.

Then I put a heavy cement block on top, weighing about 15 pounds. I don't think the wire structure would hold more than three of these blocks, so the "safety factor" was not particularly high.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/2_weight_on_columns15.jpg

Then I tipped over the cup and lit the kerosene:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/4_fire.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/5_dying_fire.jpg

Then fire burned for about twenty minutes, and toward the end, I put my foot on the structure to see if it would extra weight. It still did:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/6_structure_supportswt.jpg

The structure held up fine after the fire died:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/7_dead_fire.jpg

After the fire was hot, the "columns" were not hot at all:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/spooked/8_cool_columns.jpg

In a second experiment, I used the same wire fence and block set up, but increased the amount of "airplane damage", added in newspaper all around the inside of the structure, and soaked everything thoroughly with kerosene. In this expt, the fire was more intense and lasted significantly longer, but... the structure held up just fine. (Sorry no pictures of this one).

What I conclude is that a fairly flimsy steel structure does not distort and bend and collapse very easily from a simple hydrocarbon fire. And thus, it is not clear why the much stronger steel columns in the WTC towers weakened so much from fires that the towers underwent global collapse.

If kerosene/jet fuel/hydrocarbon fires can indeed cause steel structures to collapse, it should be quite simple to show this in an experiment-- right?

Reading that just makes me feel incredibly stupid.

What's also not so clever is posting posts from other forums here...

What's also not so clever is posting posts from other forums here...

... Why?

... Why?

Because they've their own forum which you can respond to them to, not to mention that it can be seen as spamvertising another forum, which is a no-no.

EDIT: Now you plagiarised the other forum post fully. For those who didn't see the post before the edit, it basically only contained this link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=56836&mesg_id=56836

Because they've their own forum which you can respond to them to, not to mention that it can be seen as spamvertising another forum, which is a no-no.

I don't want to respond to them, I want NS's opinion.

I don't want to respond to them, I want NS's opinion.

You want opinions about posts you've plagiarised from other forums in this forum?

*Yawn*
Who cares what some guy on another forum thinks? And if you think he's so dumb, go destroy his argument there.

I am amused by this person's idiocy.

And am not nearly awake enough to find the rebuttal for the "temperature" argument of the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

If you build a much bigger tower, it will collapse much easier. IT will need more weight though. The flames were also a lot bigger and the WTC was not built like that. IT was basically a bunch of columns with floors attached.

What he failed to point out is that the plane first CRASHED INTO the building and that the material on the plane and the jet fuel burns much hotter than newspaper and kerosene.

Taken from some forum:



Reading that just makes me feel incredibly stupid.

I'd love to see this guy solve the jfk thing in his backyard with a hamster and a skateboard.

Also...I have trouble believing the hand in that photo has a wedding ring on it.

I'd love to see this guy solve the jfk thing in his backyard with a hamster and a skateboard.

Also...I have trouble believing the hand in that photo has a wedding ring on it.

I was just thinking the same thing: about the wedding ring.

Honestly, I have nothing to say to this. While it would be fun to set a fire and see how the fencing would hold up, it has absolutely nothing to do with what occurred in NYC in any way shape or fashion.

Taken from some forum:



Reading that just makes me feel incredibly stupid.


DU is full of morons. Really. We don't say "Go back to DU troll!" for nothing, because DU is as full of crap as an internet site can be.

I hate the DU. Just my opinion.

DU is full of morons. Really. We don't say "Go back to DU troll!" for nothing, because DU is as full of crap as an internet site can be.

I was reading the rest of those posts related to Mr. Chickenwire. I am having difficulty deciding whether I should be amused or outraged at the stupidity of some posters. I also cannot decide whether I should be proud or incredulous at some of the other posters who tell the idiots how it is. Sure, it's gallant, but they're wasting their time.

Bump.

haha I thought it was funny because I thought he meant rabbit fencing, like with swords and he was trying set up some rabbit duels.

Oh dear, dyslexia hits again.